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Just to break up the Big 12 talk...
Man Big Ben must be a moron. From the accident, to the drunk pictures, and now a second sexual assault accusation. It's like every offseason he's got to put himself in some position that paints him in a bad light. But two Super Bowls will probably buy you a lot of leeway.
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We'll probably never know what really happened with the first accusation, but this one seems dubious. He sexually assaulted her in the middle of a crowded nightclub with lots of people hanging around taking pictures and begging for autographs?
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This is why I like the Big 12. In other conferences you would hear about stuff like this, but not in the Big 12. With the exception of Missouri the players for Big 12 schools have enough common sense to stay away from sexual assault charges.  I can turn anything into a Big 12 conversation (Just messin with you Ynisfre, Big 12 gets alot of talk on here because most of the active people on the board either go to a Big 12 school or graduated from a Big 12 school).
Ok seriously now, this was very surprising to hear about. I have to believe Big Ben in this case. I mean a Superbowl MVP doesn't need to sexually assualt anyone, he probally has a line of tens waiting to get a chance to have sex with him. Throw in the fact that he was supposed to be in a public place with people around and it just doesn't make a single bit of sense. From a competitive stand point I would love to see him get busted with this so I do not have to worry about him leading the Steelers to another Superbowl.
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im of the different opinion...not completly beleiving him...do it once shame on you, do it again..shame on me....what the hell is he thinking putting himself in that position again. i could see this leading to his downfall. better start thinking of looking for a QB in the upcoming draft.
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Just to break up the Big 12 talk...
Thanks. The Big 12 sucks.
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The Big 12 has had a team on top of both basketball polls for all but what two weeks this season? Yeah that is because they suck. We have Seven locks for the tournament right now, which is more than twice as much as the SEC; in fact the SEC will be lucky if they send more than three to the big dance. You can make a case for the Big East being better than the Big 12 but that is all. Big 12 stands above all others. Same can be said for football, we are hands down the second best conference in football. No other conference has a two way domination of the major two college sports than the Big 12 does. We are arguably the best in basketball and the second best in football.
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And a legitimate case can be made that the only reason the SEC dominates football is because they rarely ever have to play a true cold weather football game. They would crumble like an ancient ruin if they had to.
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Ben grew up maybe 20 miles from where I did. His daddy was a rich elite and Ben was the same way. From what I have heard Ben thinks he is above the law because of his money, which was largely true in the town he grew up in. I hope he gets a reality check this time. He is truly a scum bag of a human being.
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It's sad how alot of people can live above the law because they have money. I do not think anything will come from this incident, which is good if he didn't do anything and bad if he did. Regardless I think he needs to watch his act, because he can not afford to have another accusation like this.
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Ben grew up maybe 20 miles from where I did. His daddy was a rich elite and Ben was the same way. From what I have heard Ben thinks he is above the law because of his money, which was largely true in the town he grew up in. I hope he gets a reality check this time. He is truly a scum bag of a human being.
Problem is in our system he technically is above the law because he has money
Celebrities and athletes have gotten away with killing and even murdering in a number of times. Some don't even receive jail time for something that is completely their fault and then the media paints them as the victims in it because "they are so sad and distraught." It's more pathetic than sad. Jayson Williams anyone? Stallworth? List goes on and on
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It's not athletes that are above the law, it's rich people. And they're not really above the law, as they're entitled to the best legal defense money can buy.
The real problem with all of this is the shitty defense that poor people get.
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And a legitimate case can be made that the only reason the SEC dominates football is because they rarely ever have to play a true cold weather football game. They would crumble like an ancient ruin if they had to.
just once I'd love to see a warm weather team come up late season to play a big ten team in big ten country when its 20 out and the winds are blowing 30mph 
as for Roethlisberger....the guy needs to stop being a freaking idiot you're in the NFL not the NBA stop pulling this crap
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Yeah, every other conference has to worry about cold weather late season football games. The SEC is the only conference that knows they can avoid a cold weather football game and it is sad, because it puts cold weather teams at a disadvantage in a way. I would love to see Florida or LSU go to the Horse Shoe in late November.
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Apparently the officer that investigated Roethlisberger has just resigned because photos of him posing with Big Ben surfaced. I don't think many people realize how his infatuation with quarterback ruined the case.
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i love what the crowd was cheering at the draft win Pittsburgh was about to pick..."she said NO"
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Are you guys on crack or something?
The district attorney has already said that Ben will not be charged. He said "looking at all the
evidence here, we don’t even have probable cause. Probable cause is the standard to make an
arrest, and we did not have that. Also the little whore who accused him told the DA through her lawyer that
she no longer wanted to pursue criminal charges.
HELLO??! She never had a case, she probably just wanted to gain some media attention from the whole thing. Or maybe she became teenage-girl-angry because Ben turned her request for a photo/signature down for what ever reason, as he is in his fully right to do.
And now he even as to watch several matches sidelined, even though he was never found guilty of anything. Complete effing bs.
Our law systems works like this: Innocent until proven guilty. So now stop all your nonsense jabbering and act like you're a part of a modern western civilized society. His dad might be a rich sob. Ben might even be a rich sob. But does that mean you should think he is guilty because some 20yo prat accuses him for something that he actually didn't do?
Huges07.1 from what you have heard "Ben thought he was above the law"... oh well well well, was he ever actually above the law? No. Will he ever get to be? No. Maybe there was just a few jealous punks around your little town who wanted to have a rich dad and be the college QB who Ben was? To me, that sounds a whole lot more probable, than what you have heard from some obscure source about Ben at some point during his childhood in a little town in the northeastern Ohio.
Stop the hate campaign and get down to the facts: Not guilty.
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This isn't the legal system. If you can hate a player because he wears the wrong laundry, it's certainly understandable to hate a guy who by many accounts is an asshole. You don't know it was a cash or attention grab any more than we know it was sexual assault. The main thing is it was a skeevy situation, and that's the second public one that Ben has found himself in in as many offseasons. Also, lack of compelling evidence is not the same thing as innocence. The burden of proof in a criminal case is "beyond a reasonable doubt.", not "it could have gone either way."
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He was never proven not guilty, the DA decided not to persue charges, but that does not mean is is innocent. I am not saying I think he did it, but there simply was not enough evidence and part of the problem with that is the fact the officer who responded to that call was acting all buddy buddy with Big Ben instead of collecting evidence that might have been used to prove him guilty. Based on that I would say in this one specific instance Big Ben might just have been above the law. Who knows what evidence was lost when the scene was cleaned up before GBI agents could arrive. He has to watch from the sidelines because this is not his first off the field incident and he should not have put himself into this position in the first place.
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his career of stupidity isnt over i fear.
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Are you guys on crack or something?
The district attorney has already said that Ben will not be charged. He said "looking at all the
evidence here, we don’t even have probable cause. Probable cause is the standard to make an
arrest, and we did not have that. Also the little whore who accused him told the DA through her lawyer that
she no longer wanted to pursue criminal charges.
HELLO??! She never had a case, she probably just wanted to gain some media attention from the whole thing. Or maybe she became teenage-girl-angry because Ben turned her request for a photo/signature down for what ever reason, as he is in his fully right to do.
And now he even as to watch several matches sidelined, even though he was never found guilty of anything. Complete effing bs.
Our law systems works like this: Innocent until proven guilty. So now stop all your nonsense jabbering and act like you're a part of a modern western civilized society. His dad might be a rich sob. Ben might even be a rich sob. But does that mean you should think he is guilty because some 20yo prat accuses him for something that he actually didn't do?
Huges07.1 from what you have heard "Ben thought he was above the law"... oh well well well, was he ever actually above the law? No. Will he ever get to be? No. Maybe there was just a few jealous punks around your little town who wanted to have a rich dad and be the college QB who Ben was? To me, that sounds a whole lot more probable, than what you have heard from some obscure source about Ben at some point during his childhood in a little town in the northeastern Ohio.
Stop the hate campaign and get down to the facts: Not guilty.
wow...you sound like the biggest homer i have encountered in sometime, poor Ben...he is the victim, its a shame he keeps putting himself into this situation over and over...its all those women who are opportunists. i guess since Ben's judgement is suspect we should listen to the mass amount of teammates that came to his aid via "having his back".
what about the cop? Milledgeville Police Chief Woodrow Blue confirmed that Sgt. Jerry Blash, the officer who took the first report from Roethlisberger's accuser, resigned from the force Wednesday, a day before the Georgia Bureau of Investigation released the case documents. if he was innocent, then why would he quit?
if he was innocent then why the suspension from the league...im sure the type of suspension that he received wasnt just because we keeps putting himself in this ugly situation.
again, poor Ben he is such the victim.
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You guys read my post and completely missed the point?
It has nothing, what so ever, to do about poor Ben. I couldn't give a rats a## if it is poor Ben or nice Ben. Fact is that the charges were dropped because of lack of evidence, for what ever reason. Yes he MIGHT be guilty, but since he was NOT convicted he is innocent according to the way the legal system works. Like it or not.
Liquid741, you got it all figured out right...? Let's leave all legal and justice matters to the NFL in all future crime cases, because I'm sure they are more capable of finding out who's guilty compared to police officers, lawyers, etc. Their ban of Roethlisberger were completely justified because he actually did assault that girl... oh wait, no he didn't. [Read previous point].
Let me repeat just in case you didn't get it: He wasn't found guilty. That means he is innocent. That how the system works. And that's how it works best. Now that you Americans have a screwed up law system where you can pretty much pay you off any crime as we have seen on numerous occasions is a completely different story.
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The NFL player conduct policy does not say that they will suspend you only for getting convicted of a crime. They will suspend you for acting in a way that is harmful to the league, and Goodell must have judged that his actions need to stop before they get any worse. The suspension will likely be a four game suspension. This was not a result of one single incident, but a combonation from several different incidents. The suspension was fair and on par for other suspensions Goodell has handed down. I did not hear you standing up for Pacman Jones a few years ago when he got suspended after having never been convicted of anything either. The fact is a conviction is not required for reprecussions from the NFL. Act like a pro or sit on the bench that is the message Goodell is sending with this suspension, the question is will Rothlisberger listen?
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We missed the point? You made assumptions about the girl, going so far as to spin fictions in speculation about her motivations. You also failed to understand the NFL conduct policy and the court of public opinion are not subject to the standards of courts of law. Whether you are or not, you came off like a Big Ben fanboy. If somebody wants to think he's guilty, that's their right as much as it is yours to think the girl is a opportunistic "prat." None of us have to prove our opinions.
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I do not fail to understand the NFL policies in any way. I just strongly disagree with them.
I am not a Big Ben fanboy in specific, but I am a fan of Steelers. Not that my opinion on this matter has anything to do with what team I support. In terms of Pacman Jones I do not think any ban is justified unless the person is actually guilty, but since this was a discussion about Big Ben I didn't feel there was reason to sidetrack it to Pacman Jones.
And yes I would tend to believe that a lot of those people who accuses sports stars, musicians and idols in general do it for the money. The "prat" comment was just as much pointed to many of those other persons who tries to pull this trick.
And you're right Ynisfre, you as everyone else, has their right to express an opinion, but I suppose these forums are here for discussion and debate so we can share knowledge, wisdom, experiences, believes and disbelieves with each other and become happy, entertained, more knowledgable or accumulate new point of views. I have an opinion that I at the MOMENT feel is superior to your, or others, opinions. I will try to convince those persons about my opinion and maybe if those persons comes up with some good, strong and valid points they might be able to turn me around. Or vice versa. Isn't that's why talk to each other and debate topics we are passionate about?
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We can argue about the appropriateness of the penalty under the conduct policy, but that's not what you were doing in your initial post. You were trying to pick apart the reasons why people thought Ben was guilty, or to blame in some way, but your counter-arguments were all speculation as well. We can't discuss this intelligently because there's almost nothing factual to discuss. Just vague details. The girl may be an opportunist, but none of us are going to talk about her again, whereas Big Ben is going to be on our TVs every Sunday in the fall for the next 7-10 years. That's why we're bothering to give an opinion on him. Because he's relevant. None of us know if the girl is really a blameless victim, but we do know Ben put himself in a stupid position again by getting drunk and having some sort of sexual encounter in a public place. He's still got a civil suit pending on that other accusation. For a lot people where there's smoke there's fire. For me personally, I tend to not consider whether Ben assaulted the girl or not; I don't feel the need to render an opinion on that with no real facts. But I know I don't want to cheer for a guy who seems like a total idiot at best, and a rapist at worst.
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The NFL player conduct policy does not say that they will suspend you only for getting convicted of a crime. They will suspend you for acting in a way that is harmful to the league, and Goodell must have judged that his actions need to stop before they get any worse. The suspension will likely be a four game suspension. This was not a result of one single incident, but a combonation from several different incidents. The suspension was fair and on par for other suspensions Goodell has handed down. I did not hear you standing up for Pacman Jones a few years ago when he got suspended after having never been convicted of anything either. The fact is a conviction is not required for reprecussions from the NFL. Act like a pro or sit on the bench that is the message Goodell is sending with this suspension, the question is will Rothlisberger listen?
-Alessio-, i dont think they would suspend him for playing checkers with that girl.
As a result of the unabridged details revealed in Bright's press conference, reaction was swift. Steelers president Art Rooney II was reported to be "furious".[99] The owner of Pittsburgh-based PLB Sports, which marketed "Big Ben's Beef Jerky", terminated the company's five-year sponsorship of Roethlisberger, the first such action in the company's 14 year history.[100][101] The incident has also garnered media attention for the potential discrepancies in player treatment based on race, as black players like Michael Vick and Adam "Pacman" Jones were disciplined harshly for their off-the-field conduct.[102] Milledgeville Police Sergeant Jerry Blash, who had been photographed with Roethlisberger earlier in the evening, was the first officer to respond to the scene. He resigned on April 15, 2010, after apparently making a comment at the scene that "this bitch is drunk" in reference to the accuser
hmm, even the owner, some sponsor, the commish...these are some of the most important people in his life...i guess im at a loss since he is innocent. not sure what all the hub-bub, is about.
and since you are a Steelers fan, im surprised reaction to this original post/posts...the Steelers have been one of the teams in the league that have the owners which represent somewhat of the moral code of conduct...good family and even better owners...which should and is respected. to have this huge blemish that isnt a one time thing and to defend him as you have is shameful. oh, and his attorney isnt even going to fight the suspension...whey in the *&%K not? he's innocent...!
Ben Roethlisberger innocent victim 
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oh and how did you guys like my Colts blue in this post...did it for Amendial.
are you sure that he'll see it as Colts blue and not Jayhawk blue?
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Pariahwulfen posted:
Liquid741 posted:
oh and how did you guys like my Colts blue in this post...did it for Amendial.
are you sure that he'll see it as Colts blue and not Jayhawk blue?
hmm...you could be right  he does lose focus so easily...
ill speak slowly A M E N D I A L...look to the icon left of this post
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make fun of Amendial tuesday...this could be a possible signature.
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Why the heck do people keep trying to take away my position of public enemy number one?
EDIT: Oh and Liquid we will see you on October 3rd, have a box of tissues ready. Since that is a long ways away here is a little something to hold you over for now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XzXTYjfbDk
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damn! i couldnt finish watching that video...too many bad memories, the party i was at immediately dispersed when he intercepted it...
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Yeah I have been to parties like that. I remember I was at an NCAA Championship party a half dozen years ago for the KU-Syracuse game. Didn't end all that well, we all left with a new hatred of Carmello. As far as the Superbowl goes, I was over at a friends house who lived in NO for the first 20 years of his life, and all his family is in NO. So that party didn't even truly start until after that interception.
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