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wow ibeen looking through ltank scripts and i can do a lot with them i guess ill just script
i was hopeing to clean up the engine as that what i do best but imo ltxi works pretty good ill just help make it better
like get all the new spells in , and a couple buttons for the auth crap and keep leader kill switch
i realy dont know whats wrong with the devs of now days progress will never happen if they dont share, me i share all i can i like progress. and beside its just fun 
http://cleverace.home.comcast.net/~cleverace/ac/ac.htm
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Progress continues on plugin development, but the number of active developers is very few.
As for open source, I have spent thousands of hours of work on my projects and I prefer to keep them mine.
Anyway, I question this kind of statement when coming from someone who disregards the EULAs of multiple plugins by distributing copies of them on his website.
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I have broken no laws nor am i claiming the materials as mine , as my site states this is stuff i dont wanna lose track of.
This stuff was put out in the public for the public to use. And thats what i doing, using it.
If you dont want it used by the public maybe you shouldnt release stuff to the public.
Im just trying to help.
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hehe... Life Tank XI this is the version before X it is much more stable imo I currently use this" Ummm.. LT was first.. LTx was second.. LTxi was third.. then LTx was improved to incorporate some of the additions of LTxi.. get your facts straight.
Also, as one of the admins/"developers" of hwacstats, I'd ask that you remove that as well.
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Cleverence2 posted:
as my site states this is stuff i dont wanna lose track of.
And.. if you don't want to lose track of it, you can link to the original author's site and/or download.
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I might not have a defined EULA on my plugins (although at this point I think I might add one), but it's generally considered bad form to host someone elses work without permission.
Manners aside, you're distributing old and unsupported versions of my plugins, and because they're hosted somewhere other than my own site, it makes it harder for me to get an indication of how many people are downloading them. You're welcome to link to the plugins' home page, but NOT redistribute them.
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try the link again
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Actually YOU are hurting others if you distribute (outdated) copies of other people plugins Mr. Clever. People may find the download at your site, but they won't see any information the developer has put on his site.
Learn the difference between a link and a copy or you will not make many friends on the internet and one day someone will go thru the hassle and sue you for copyright infringement.
*edit* Oh and I doubt any of the remaining active decal/plugin devs gives a damn about LTx, otherwise someone would have taken over the development long ago.
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The source for ltx was released i dought i will be sued.
The dev's quit it cuz of crybabies like you. I dont blame them. Other then that i now know not of what you speak.
ltx is being converted to c# cleaned up and will continue. Or maybe somthing close to it. So buck up you are not the only pebbles on the beach
this is the end of this thread for me
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Wow, you sir have a serious problem. And I am not talking about your poor reading comprehension.
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Cleverace2 posted:
The source for ltx was released i dought i will be sued.
The dev's quit it cuz of crybabies like you. I dont blame them. Other then that i now know not of what you speak.
Geez, Cleverance2 you're clueless here, Personally I will never use your plug-in because I don't trust you, I *CANNOT* trust you. You cannot even follow simple requests to not redistribute others peoples work. How can I trust what you are doing within your plugin? Making a new fork of Lifetank? that's open as the source code was released, but re-hosting old version of plug-ins that have active Dev's and newer versions? that's shows to me how much you can be trusted.
The various Dev's here asking that you stop re-hosting thier plug-ins are not people that 'whined' to the LT authors, they already have thier own plug-ins....
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First off i didnt know i was doing any thing wrong, who the hell reads all the the stuff in down loads. I thought i was helping others. And yes i still think they are crybabies, for crying out we are only talking about free stuff over the inet
Second i stopped imemdately after being told here.
Third stuff happens get over it.
For you information i am a very honest loyal and moral person ask anyone that knows me.
Some people have nothing better to do but slur others, not my problem, what is a problem is you dont even know me you listen to your buddy that has been rubbed the wrong way and now come here to gank the unknowing hearing only what you want to hear , well since thats the case i dont want you to use my stuff, you are not worthy. But you know what i wouldnt stop you or even try. That is not who i am.
Fourth your loss.
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I'm sorry, but you appear to be the "crybaby" here.
First you post on turbines forums asking for help, and two of us tell you that that forum is not the proper place to ask for decal help (Turbine has locked threads and said that it is not the proper place), and directed you to these forums. You bitched and moaned on Turbine's forums because we said to come here, then when you did post here, I offered to help you but not until I was home and had access to the materials I needed. However you found the answer on a thread posted HERE, then went back to Turbine's forums and bitched more.
I don't know you from any other place, but the two threads where you have been whining and complaining about the people that have tried to help you. Your attitude towards the help has made certain people irritable and have caused them to in turn start dissing you. Instead of whining and bitching about people, say "Thanks for the advice. I'll go check it out."
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And just what the heanddubblell did yo expect? Some new guy comes to a forum and he gets gank by Trolls with high numbers of post (not even moderators) telling him he cant post there it dont mater what you said its how you said it.
And this is what all this crap is really about .
like i said you should of let the real people do the policing quit trolling and be nicer.
I did google my wants after that and i did find what i needed on this fourm so google helped not the trolls.
Slice and dice it any way you like ya all trolled me and still are.
LOL i think your ltank haters ,,,good. later Troll
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hmmm.. (the following are quotes from your original post on turbine's forums.. )
"This isn't the place for problems with ltx(i).. you'll more than likely get more help over on the utilities forum of vnboards."
"Turbine does not support the use of TPA's. They're called Third Party Applications for a reason. Go here: http://vnboards.ign.com/asherons_call_main_boards/c5017 and select AC Utilities."
Those are the second and third replies from your thread.. the first one suggested that you move back to LTx, instead of LTxi, because the latest version of LTx is newer than LTxi..
Let's see your responses...
"as stated ltx is un stable and is ltxi with addins i dont need , does ltx cast blessing of t'ing?" <-- (your first response to the first post stating that LTxi is not supported, and that you should try the latest version of LTx).. no.. but neither does ltxi without modding the spells.dat file...
"I dis a gree, this is general discussion about ac , decal and ltank is a great part of ac" <-- (in response to my message stating that you'd get more help here) did you get ANY help from the turbine forums?
"im not asking turbine to suport this , im asking "third persons" to help if you cant help please dont ruin the thread" <-- (in response to the third reply)... As he stated.. Turbine does not support TPAs..
Then.. Tao responded with "I'm not saying you can't post here, only that you're likely to find the answer faster elsewhere." ...
Then a while later.. "omgosh you still on this i found what i needed 2h now self buffs in ltxi and soon every one that wants it to will have it. " <-- OMG.. you found the answer here..
Then your latest response to this thread.. " LOL i think your ltank haters ,,,good. later Troll ".. We suggested the best place for you to go find your answer.. and you bitched, whined, and complained because we would not help you on a forum about the game itself (not TPAs).. now you come to the forum and you are bitching and whining and complaining because we would not help you on that forum. And good luck with re-writing that in C#. I look forward to seeing your open source version of it in a few years (when you learn to code).
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Well, I'd like to think I was fairly polite about it, but anyway, just to clarify: Generally anything 'free' on the internet is free to USE, not own. Even if you download and install my plugins, I still own them. If you only plan on using them as they were intended, this is rarely relevant, but it does mean you can't reverse engineer, modify, or redistribute them without permission. As was said, by redistributing them you're doing more harm than good, as you're not distributing an up to date version, or any instructions for use, resulting in a significantly reduced user experience.
Even bought and paid for software, you're still only buying the right to use it, not the software itself. From section 1 & 2 of AC's own EULA (© Turbine): 'Upon payment of the applicable license fees and online fees, this EULA grants you a license to use the Software to play Asheron’s Call. We reserve the right to terminate your license to the Software and your access to Asheron’s Call at any time, without notice, for any reason whatsoever.'
I don't believe for one second you ever had any intention of deliberately violating the rights of myself or another plugin authors, but nevertheless, as the author of some of the plugins you were distributing, I have an obligation to make sure that nobody is violating my rights, intentionally or otherwise.
If you're serious about re-writing LTx from scratch in C#, I strongly recommend you don't call it LTx- make it your own.
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Thorfinn_Sigurdssen posted:
If you're serious about re-writing LTx from scratch in C#, I strongly recommend you don't call it LTx- make it your own.
Yep, listen to this too.
Writing a full-featured macro is a serious undertaking. If all you have done in the past is scripting, you will need to learn a great deal before you can do it.
I set out to do exactly what you are talking about, write a completely new macro in C# (LTX code was not used or consulted). It has taken me almost 4 years, thousands of hours, and 25,000+ lines of code to do it*. Just know what you are up against.
I suggest writing some other plugins first.
*Also, I am a skilled professional software developer.
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Well finally this is more civil.
I have worked in several formats and on several projects, never have I had problems with redistrbution. People dont want to go to link after link to get what they want or get on some dumb arssed site with popups, sign in's or what ever I have never had any luck contacting other dev's they dont reply, which says they dont care so i dont bother, it's not like im stealing stuff.
I know how hard programing is I have thousdsands of hour's under my belt also.
I dont know about changing the name of something I use and calling it mine, that sounds like stealing to me, altho a conversion by law (I think anything modified by 10%) would make it mine, it still dont make it right.
I have help now with the conversion any ways so that may be up to him. Anys the original credits will stay the same, the main thing is this same system will stay in the game.
And now here this, I have seen many things die because of no source release. Anyone is welcome to anything I create/modify to do with as they like as long as they remember the golden rule: give credit where credit is do, those that dont beleive in that, are a waste of time. This is the best way for things to progress. And yes of course stuff you pay for would be more restrictive.
I really feel sorry for those that say this my junk its old and out of date dont use it.
What if automobile manufactures said that and people were made to comply, There goes my 1970 muscle car. Point is some times the old stuff is way better then the new. So dont cut your self short, im sure Henry Ford would be proud to see me roll by .
Ltxi is a great example, the dev for that did pretty darn good, after that not so much.
Just ask anyone who went form ltxi to ltx then back to ltxi
Well now i hope all you have gotten your greifs out cuz frankly i really dont care to come here and have to explain my self and will not again , I may have my own forum but some of the crap ive seen here will not be tolerated just deleted im really surprized it hasnt happened here.
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Cleverace2 posted:
People dont want to go to link after link to get what they want or get on some dumb arssed site with popups, sign in or what ever i have never had any luck contacting other dev's they dont reply which says they dont care so i dont bother, its not like im stealing stuff.
Please show me the popups or required signin on my site. For that matter, what about Flynn's site, or HWACStats? None of these sites even have text ads!
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I dont know about changing the name of something i use and calling it mine that sounds like stealing to me, altho a conversion by law (i think anything modified by 10%) would make it mine, it still dont make it right.
Here in the US, it's called a derivative work. And, basically, if you use someone else's code in your own project, it is covered by their copyright. Perhaps what you are thinking of is a transformative derivative work, which I can pretty much guarantee you does not apply here.
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SIGH! And i get jumped on for reading stuff wrong! I didnt mention any particular sight!
You know what i m out!
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Who's an idiot?
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