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Hi all again. The reason I am asking is I would like to knowledge-share with otehr parents who have one as well. The few gifted message boards I have tried to use have been nothing but difficult with the majoirty of severely-biased estrogen town-criers. Trying to ask questions and get input from someone who actually has a gifted child other then the "perceived" giftedness has been dificult to say the least.
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Sorry, what's the difference in your definition of gifted vs. perceived giftedness?
IQ tests?
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Actual documented academic performance accompanied by some define characteristics of a gifted child
IQ tests as i see them are a confirmation of potential but are not conclusive by themselves
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I don't think that I'd ever even test my kids for that stuff, quite frankly. Curious to see any real responses here, though. Your original question is about how parents deal with education, extracurricular, or other things pertaining to the child's gift, I assume? Seemed pretty broad of a question.
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Actually no .. my question is very specific ... Either your child is academically gifted or not .. if they are then would you mine getting together and compare notes ...
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Well, my oldest daughter is plenty smart but I don't know if I would call her gifted. She could definitely handle honors classes when she gets old enough.
My youngest is too young to tell yet, and I'm not pushing it.
My middle daughter I think I'd call gifted. Not genius, but gifted. She was doing addition and subtraction pre-kindergarten, reading, asking a lot of questions I wouldn't expect her to be interested in, etc. When she was in kindergarten she started asking about multiplication and division and my husband taught her how to do it. A couple months after, my mom was driving her somewhere and she asked about how fast something went, and if it was as fast as the car they were driving in (airplanes or something I think). My mom said it would go about four times as fast as they were going, which was sixty miles an hour. My daughter thought very intently for a minute and said "two hundred and thirty miles per hour?" She'd gotten it off by ten mph but she clearly understood the concept and she'd done it all in her head. Upon entering the first grade and being tested for it, she was promptly placed in the school's gifted and talented program.
A couple months ago she asked if she could do a science project for the science fair...bear in mind she's still in the first grade! She picked out a project that had to do with sound waves being turned into light waves and back again. Granted, she picked out the project from MAKE magazine and followed the instructions on how to make her device, but she also clearly grasped the basic concepts enough to base a project around it.
She consistently surprises people with the depth of her questions and with the base of her knowledge. In fact, my husband and I often have to stop and remind ourselves that she's only seven, and not hold her up to the same standards of everything (behavior wise, I mean) that we hold her eleven year old sister to- because she is NOT eleven! She's smart enough that we forget that she *is* a typical silly seven year old as well and will act like one!
I try to keep her occupied with enough to keep her challenged but I have not had time with moving and college (and now we're moving again) to be on it constantly like I was a year ago. And I don't think tests are all that reliable or valuable so I haven't done that either apart from the test to get into gifted and talented. So...not sure if that all answers your questions or meets your criteria, but there you go.
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Gaevren,
Sounds like your daughter is in the same ball park as my oldest ... mind if I PM you?
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my son was high honors, and graduated from high school being in the NHS, and is now on the dean's list at the college he attends
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My older daughter just turned five but we don't yet know whether she is gifted. She did spontaneously learn to read at age 2.5 though, taught herself to write and is now learning multiplication and division.
My younger daughter is 3.5 and is learning to read. She's been able to do 50-piece puzzles by herself since she was 2. Again, she is too small yet to tell whether she is truly gifted.
My husband and I are both gifted and MIT alums, though, so we won't be terribly surprised if our children take after us.
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Apart from the fact that intelligence is often estimated to be 50% genetically inherited, the fact that both of the kids' parents are educated really helps matters out. It is most likely that both of you sit and read with your kids, and have since they were very young. Lots of personal interaction versus just letting them learn on their own.
That's why I usually cringe when I see "spontaneously learned to read" and "taught herself to write" because there is no way in hell if the child had a ton of books around, bunch of pens and paper available, but was never actively read the books or shown letter and paper and what to do, that she would have learned to read/write by herself.
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Apart from the fact that intelligence is often estimated to be 50% genetically inherited, the fact that both of the kids' parents are educated really helps matters out. It is most likely that both of you sit and read with your kids, and have since they were very young. Lots of personal interaction versus just letting them learn on their own.
That's why I usually cringe when I see "spontaneously learned to read" and "taught herself to write" because there is no way in hell if the child had a ton of books around, bunch of pens and paper available, but was never actively read the books or shown letter and paper and what to do, that she would have learned to read/write by herself.
fair enough I guess. Yes, I did read her books, but we never did phonics or any of that, she just figured it out by herself. And I have no idea how she learned to write. But I did the same, at the same age, and neither of my parents has more than a high school diploma/G.E.D. so it can't all be about the parents' education level.
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everyone thinks thier kids are super smart. just once i would like to hear someone answer the question with "hell no, my kid is dumber then a box of rocks"
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Actually children will start reading when THEY are ready to read  That age may be at age 2 or at age 8. Gifted kids learn to read after they develop their vocabularies and learn to know what should come next in a sentence. The brighter the children, the earlier they start absorbing verbal—language—information from their surroundings. Gifted or bright kids learn to read when they are exposed to how the printed word gives information or tells a story.
Teachers in public schools think they are teaching kids to read by instructing them phonetically. I actually am a big fan of phonics because it helps you decode unfamiliar words but in no way is being able to decode a word reading! To be able to read and comprehend is actual reading in my book
Bright kids come from stimulating environments and are often free to explore 'things' that are interesting to THEM. Most public schools do NOT allow for this path of learning...especially with the NCLB debacle.
Children have varied interests and this should be incorporated into their 'guided learning' in a public school setting. My experience in schools tells me...this is rarely the case. Truly...
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Well we learn next week if our 5 year old will be in 4th grade or 5th grade based on the results of his evaluation. I am secretly hoping for the former, he moving so fast
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Well we learn next week if our 5 year old will be in 4th grade or 5th grade based on the results of his evaluation. I am secretly hoping for the former, he moving so fast
Let us know, BT. I'd loved to know how he does. He truly is an amazing little boy.
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Interesting. I always feel sad for kids that are so much younger than all of their peers age-wise. A year or 2, sure, but 4? Ouch.
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Interesting. I always feel sad for kids that are so much younger than all of their peers age-wise. A year or 2, sure, but 4? Ouch.
He is at a Montessori school. The 1st-6th graders all share the same classroom .. so there are 6-7 year old children that he plays with and then he does the academic work the 9-10 year olds do ...
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Interesting. I always feel sad for kids that are so much younger than all of their peers age-wise. A year or 2, sure, but 4? Ouch.
He is at a Montessori school. The 1st-6th graders all share the same classroom .. so there are 6-7 year old children that he plays with and then he does the academic work the 9-10 year olds do ...
same with my children, I have them both in a Montessori preschool and I'll be honest, I'm leaning toward keeping them there a little ways into elementary school. They can progress at their own pace instead of having to keep up with (or stay behind for) their classmates. And the sensorial approach to learning I feel can help making mathematics and geography more intuitive and help them develop a better grasp of spatial relations (plus it's just more interesting). It's not all academics, either -- they learn how to sew and keep house too, something I'd love to do if I were home with them more, but since I work outside the home, this is the next best thing, I guess.
at our Montessori school the groups cover ages 3-6 and 6-9. They are looking to expand and add a group for ages 9-12 as well.
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We got our son;s evaluation and he is 4th grade. The teacher said that based on his progress he would be ready to take the 5th grade entrance exam in December. So he is still moving at 2 grades a year since we have started this voyage. Hopefully there will be a plateau with him soon which means he could be done high school by 11 and not 9 if he keeps this pace up.
He was very strong in Math and English. He needed more work in reading comprehension at a 4th grade level and Science (except for biology and astronomy where he showed competency). Science is not a surprise since he has only been academically active for less then 2 years and science is not something you can pick up at a rate like math or English.
When he takes his test in December .. the teacher will be able to give and estimate when he will be ready for 6th grade (my bet will be summer). We got him enrolled in piano and he is excelling as well as Spanish, basketball and US geography and presidents to start broadening his base.
We just finished division of fractions this afternoon and will be working on fraction word problems before going back to algebra.
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sounds pretty good, BT. I'd be interested to know how things turn out for your son.
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Don't drown your son BT. I obviously don't know the full situation, but I was a "gifted" child myself and excelled in my studies and always had the top test scores in my school, all the way through high school. However, I got burn out when I tried to do too much or had too much shoved at me.
If you try to train a horde to do cutting, reining, dressage, jumping, saddle seat, pacing and steeplechasing, what time does he have to be a horse?
And sorry if that didn't come out diplomatic. It sounds as though you're supporting you son, not pushing him, and that's a great thing.
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Paily, he's gung ho all on his own. He asks for math work and reads his books all on his own without any prompting. We are actually trying to keep up with HIM. I'm freaking exhausted! Luckily BT has more energy than I do right now so he spearheads all the projects.
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My 5 year old understand this... he truly understand the concept, and has demonstrated for my family.
Usually, I'll have him watch some YouTube in the morning, and at night.. to condition him for study practices in the future.
He can read (first sight read - then sounding out words)
He can send text via phone.
He can send emails now.
He knows how to phone others, how to store #'s on a phone. When I got a new cellphone, I was dreading the transfers of numbers... so my son offered to do it for me, and did.
He doesn't know music theory, but knows tonality. He'll say "lets jam" and we'll sit and play guitar. I mean, I'll play guitar, and he'll strum strings.. but the interests is there.
He's learning Japanese, and Spanish via YouTube.
He's actually helping me put together home movies. He's got one idea (totally his, he's never seen the commercial for this, too young) but he wants to hit a golf ball and have it bounce all over the place.. off my van, off my head, off my dog, etc.. and in the end, goes into a hole for a Hole In One shot.
He's got a better golf swing than most adults I know.
Not sure if this qualifies as gifted. I think he is, then again I'm his father.
He loves golf.
Because he loves water, he can tell you the chemical compond for water, as well as ask for it in Spanish and Japanese.
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