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I more or less wait till vaccines are on the suggested list here in Canada. Takes even longer than in the States, so I figure by the time we backwards people finally accept it, it must be pretty safe.
That said, my kids have had/are getting all their vaccines. I have zero confidence in the reports citing any correlation whatsoever between vaccines and ADHD and other learning disorders. And yes, it's hard to find credible sources for either "side" of the issue, too.
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I more or less wait till vaccines are on the suggested list here in Canada. Takes even longer than in the States, so I figure by the time we backwards people finally accept it, it must be pretty safe.
That said, my kids have had/are getting all their vaccines. I have zero confidence in the reports citing any correlation whatsoever between vaccines and ADHD and other learning disorders. And yes, it's hard to find credible sources for either "side" of the issue, too.
All my kids are vaccinated (my daughter with Gardasil).
Like Myx, I have no confidence in the Wakefield MMR vaccine study (if you really want to call a 12 child panel - which included Wakefield's son a 'study' - I won't consider it as such.)
The vaccines today on average contain FEWER VLP's and VP's than the ones WE received as kids.
We all knew kids in school who were the 'hyper' ones, or the 'slower' ones etc - we're seeing 'more' of these so-called 'disorders' because people are taking their kids to doctors for every little thing that isn't perfect about them to get them prescribed something to make them perfect.
Some kids CAN have a serious reaction to a vaccine, but in my opinion the rare few that have those reactions don't justify terminating a working vaccine program which keeps kids healthy.
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All my kids are vaccinated (my daughter with Gardasil).
Like Myx, I have no confidence in the Wakefield MMR vaccine study (if you really want to call a 12 child panel - which included Wakefield's son a 'study' - I won't consider it as such.)
The vaccines today on average contain FEWER VLP's and VP's than the ones WE received as kids.
We all knew kids in school who were the 'hyper' ones, or the 'slower' ones etc - we're seeing 'more' of these so-called 'disorders' because people are taking their kids to doctors for every little thing that isn't perfect about them to get them prescribed something to make them perfect.
Some kids CAN have a serious reaction to a vaccine, but in my opinion the rare few that have those reactions don't justify terminating a working vaccine program which keeps kids healthy.
This came up in my long discussion with our pediatrician, actually. She told me that yes, there are lots of diagnoses now for autism and ADHD and all that. When in conjunction with questions regarding any correlation with vaccines, guess where most of those were found? Within very short distances of centers with huge research on the topic of autism, ADD, ADHD, etc.
If you look for it more, you'll catch more. If you live in smalltown nowhere, chances are you won't diagnose as many of these things, because people in rural areas tend to think (at least IMO) that kids are kids, if they're hyper it's not necessarily that something is wrong with them. They might just be more active kids, needing more release.
EDIT: Oh, and I just LOVE how now, outbreaks of mumps or measles are on the rise. But vaccines are bad, right?
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I've seen just as many reports debunking all the crap about vaccines and all these problems.
My brother and I were vaccinated with no problems. My kids were both vaccinated and had zero problems. My granddaughters are getting vaccinated and so far no problems.
I blame the internet!
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I think vaccines are a great way to protect your kids from some possibly serious diseases. All this crap about it causing autism and whatever else is just that....crap.
My daughter is vaccinated with everything except gardasil. She's only 10, but I want to talk to her dad about getting her this soon.
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My one thought is simply this:
The benefits outweigh the risks
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My one thought is simply this:
The benefits outweigh the risks
Well said.
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golly, i did try to plough through that article!, but i got bogged down in all the "bully boy" comments and gave up.
Both my kids were vaccinated, though i do appreciate that it isn't an easy option. everything in life is a risk, i looked into the risks and weighed it up, like most other parents.
However, i do think people sometimes forget that kids can die from diseases like measles!
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Rhylla posted:
golly, i did try to plough through that article!, but i got bogged down in all the "bully boy" comments and gave up.
Both my kids were vaccinated, though i do appreciate that it isn't an easy option. everything in life is a risk, i looked into the risks and weighed it up, like most other parents.
However, i do think people sometimes forget that kids can die from diseases like measles!
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Exactly. I think that the current crop of concerned parents don't even THINK about these diseases, because they, their siblings, all their friends were vaccinated for them, so they don't even have the concept of knowing someone who is ill in hospital with something like this. They don't see the forest for the trees, essentially. So worried about the slight possibility and fearmongering about learning disorders they don't look at what the vaccines are meant to protect against! Measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough... These are NOT fun for kids to have.
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Exactly. I think that the current crop of concerned parents don't even THINK about these diseases, because they, their siblings, all their friends were vaccinated for them, so they don't even have the concept of knowing someone who is ill in hospital with something like this. They don't see the forest for the trees, essentially. So worried about the slight possibility and fearmongering about learning disorders they don't look at what the vaccines are meant to protect against! Measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough... These are NOT fun for kids to have.
These childhood diseases are on the rise again:
* In Boulder, Colorado, endemic pertussis (whooping cough) has been linked to vaccination rates of just 50% among children at a local private school.
* In Philadelphia in 1991, a measles epidemic, which resulted in more than 500 cases and seven fatalities, was traced to unvaccinated children whose families were members of two faith-healing churches.
* In San Diego in early 2008, a measles outbreak among 12 children included nine whose parents had invoked California’s personal-belief exemption to opt out of vaccination and three who were not yet old enough to receive this vaccination, which is given in two doses over several years.
http://www.thehastingscenter.org/Publications/BriefingBook/Detail.aspx?id=2266
I remember reading an article about how the towns around Boulder were getting pissed because pertussis was being transferred over to THEIR towns and to kids that weren't able to be vaccinated (as well as those that just weren't.)
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I wasn't able to get vaccinated for most stuff.
I did get the measles. Holy hell did that suck. Got them the same year as chicken pox. I avoided mumps though.
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Getting my child vaccinated was never an option for me, more of a requirement.
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The only vaccine that pisses me off is the chicken pox vaccine
Maryland required it.
I would rather my kid get the chicken pox when he was little instead of being 30something and POOF vaccine wears off and he gets em.
Strangely enough, he was vaccinated when he was tiny then got the chicken pox when he was in 1st grade .....
what kind of CRAP is that?
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The only vaccine that pisses me off is the chicken pox vaccine
Maryland required it.
I would rather my kid get the chicken pox when he was little instead of being 30something and POOF vaccine wears off and he gets em.
Strangely enough, he was vaccinated when he was tiny then got the chicken pox when he was in 1st grade .....
what kind of CRAP is that?
Stuff happens. My step daughter got chicken pox really bad as a baby and was hospitalized. She got them again in Junior High.
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Pretty sure the chances of a vaccine like that "wearing off" are only slightly lower than the chances of losing immunity after having the disease, if the vaccine was accepted properly.
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Gaevren posted:
My one thought is simply this:
The benefits outweigh the risks
This is exactly how I feel. Zoe and Gwen have and will get all shots recomended by my pediatrician. I feel that she knows best and knows what she's talking about, that's why I picked her.
And Lyli, vaccines aren't 100% guaranteed to prevent the disease you are being immunized against. But they do GREATLY reduce the chances of contracting the disease and even will greatly reduce the severity of the disease if it is contracted.
My cousin had the chicken pox vaccine as an infant and when he was 2 1/2 he actually got the chicken pox and it killed him. My family doesn't blame the doctor and they know that even with the vaccine, it didn't mean he for sure would never get them.
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I had a classmate that had the measles twice.
It sucked to be him.
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I had chicken pox twice, back to back. When the scabs were falling off from the first outbreak, I started breaking out with them again. I was in 7th grade. It sucked.
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My whole family has had the chicken pox. I had measles twice as a kid. Once was the German measles and I still remember the hallucinations from the real high fever.
There needs to be more information now, on the diseases that these vaccines prevent, since so many parents don't get it.
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I had chicken pox as a kid, got to do shingles last year. Not so fun.
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I had chicken pox as a kid, got to do shingles last year. Not so fun.
Yep - that's why they're pushing for the chicken pox vaccine - once you've had the pox, the virus stays in your body and can trigger shingles later in life.
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I had chicken pox at 6 for two weeks. I still have the teddy bear my mom gave me from that.
I look forward to pox parties. 
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