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Topic: American parents, prepare to lose your parental authority as per a U.N. treaty

Aerlinthian Posts: 66,222 Registered: May 7, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 65,491 User ID: 94,919	Subject: American parents, prepare to lose your parental authority as per a U.N. treaty
	This is a favored pet by Hillary Clinton who is now in a perfect position as SoS to again introduce this for consideration. Please look into this, understand it and call your rep about it. And do not let the title mislead you, home-schooling is only one issue of many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_the_Child ---- http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/11/un-treaty-might-weaken-families/ HOME-SCHOOLING: U.N. treaty might weaken families One of the issues American families could face this year is the ramifications from a treaty called the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC). You may ask, "How could a treaty directly affect internal decision-making by American families?" We generally think of treaties as agreements affecting international relations between countries. The U.N., however, has initiated treaties that not only affect international relations, but also the domestic relations of member nations as well. These treaties, sometimes called "conventions," require member nations that ratify the treaty to implement the requirements as binding law or rules. On Nov. 20, 1989, the U.N. adopted the CRC and submitted it for ratification to the member nations. It has been ratified by 193 nations - the United States is one of the few countries that has not ratified it. The ratification process requires a two-thirds vote by the U.S. Senate. On Feb. 16, 1995, Madeleine Albright, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., signed the CRC on behalf of the United States. The CRC, however, has never been sent to the Senate for ratification because there is insufficient support to pass it. Due to the recent election, however, there are rumblings from Capitol Hill that there will be an effort to seek ratification of the CRC during the next congressional cycle. Hillary Rodham Clinton is a strong supporter of the treaty, and as secretary of state, would have direct control over the submission of treaties to the Senate. Why should passage of the CRC be of concern? It likely would have a negative impact on domestic law and practice in the United States. Article VI of our Constitution makes treaties - and remember, conventions are viewed as treaties - "the supreme law of the land." The CRC would be treated as superior to laws in every state regarding the parent-child relationship. This would include issues regarding education, health care, family discipline, the child's role in family decision-making, and a host of other subjects. Article 43 of the CRC establishes an international committee on the rights of the child to examine compliance by member nations. This committee, which sits in Geneva, has final authority concerning interpretation of the language contained in the CRC. Two central principles of the CRC clearly are contrary to current U.S. laws related to parent-child relationships. The CRC provides that in all matters relating to children, whether private or public, or in courts, the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration. Additionally, nations should ensure that children are capable of expressing their views freely in all matters affecting them, giving due weight to the age and maturity of the child. This is contrary to traditional American law, which provides that absent proof of harm, courts and social workers simply do not have the authority to intervene in parent-child relationships and decision-making. The importance of this tradition and practice is that the government may not substitute its judgment for that of the parent until there is proof of harm to the child sufficient to justify governmental intervention. It is clear that in two very important areas of the parent-child relationship, religion and education, there will be potential for tremendous conflict. The international committee in Geneva, in reviewing the laws of practice of countries that have ratified the CRC, has expressed its concern that parents could home-school without the view of the child being considered; that parents could remove their children from sex-education classes without the view of the child being considered; that parents were legally permitted to use corporal punishment; and that children didn't have access to reproductive health information without parental knowledge. The bottom line is the CRC would drastically weaken the United States' sovereignty over family life, which would have a substantial impact on every American family. For more information on the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child, visit www.parentalrights.org/learn. â€¢ Michael Smith is the president of the Home School Legal Defense Association. He may be contacted at 540/338-5600; or send e-mail to media@hslda.org. ---- -----signature----- (none)
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Aerlinthian Posts: 66,222 Registered: May 7, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 65,491 User ID: 94,919	Subject: American parents, prepare to lose your parental authority as per a U.N. treaty
	More on this: http://www.parentalrights.org/ 20 Things You Need to Know About the CRC http://preview.tinyurl.com/bzzgyk Ten things you need to know about the structure of the CRC. 1. It is a treaty which creates binding rules of law. It is no mere statement of altruism. 2. Its effect would be binding on American families, courts, and policy-makers. 3. Children of other nations would not be impacted in any direct way by our ratification. 4. The CRC would automatically override almost all American laws on children and families because of our Supremacy Clause. 5. The CRC has some elements that are self-executing, while others would require implementing legislation. Federal courts would have the power to determine which provisions were self-executing. 6. The Courts would have the power to directly enforce the provisions that are self-executing. 7. Congress would have the power to directly legislate on all subjects necessary to comply with the treaty. This would constitute the most massive shift of power from the states to the federal government in American history. 8. A committee of 18 experts from other nations, sitting in Geneva, has the authority to issue official interpretations of the treaty which are entitled to binding weight in American courts and legislatures. This effectively transfers ultimate authority for all policies in this area to this foreign committee. 9. Under international law, the treaty overrides even our Constitution. 10. Reservations, declarations, or understandings intended to modify our duty to comply with this treaty will be void if they are determined to be inconsistent with the object and purpose of the treaty. Ten things you need to know about the substance of the CRC. 1. Parents would no longer be able to administer reasonable spankings to their children. 2. A murderer aged 17 years, 11 months and 29 days at the time of his crime could no longer be sentenced to life in prison. 3. Children would have the ability to choose their own religion while parents would only have the authority to give their children advice about religion. 4. The best interest of the child principle would give the government the ability to override every decision made by every parent if a government worker disagreed with the parentâ€™s decision. 5. A childâ€™s â€œright to be heardâ€ would allow him (or her) to seek governmental review of every parental decision with which the child disagreed. 6. According to existing interpretation, it would be illegal for a nation to spend more on national defense than it does on childrenâ€™s welfare. 7. Children would acquire a legally enforceable right to leisure. 8. Teaching children about Christianity in schools has been held to be out of compliance with the CRC. 9. Allowing parents to opt their children out of sex education has been held to be out of compliance with the CRC. 10. Children would have the right to reproductive health information and services, including abortions, without parental knowledge or consent. -----signature----- (none)
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Alystrial Title: Fantasy Freak Posts: 4,688 Registered: Sep 18, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 611 User ID: 400,426	Subject: American parents, prepare to lose your parental authority as per a U.N. treaty
	WoW Thank you for posting this, I was not aware of this at all. Tag for current and future reading. -----signature----- Visit my lil space on the internet: http://alystrial.spaces.live.com/
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PallyDog Title: WoW Vault Staff Teh Pyckles! Posts: 13,429 Registered: Mar 4, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 13,007 User ID: 776,236	Subject: American parents, prepare to lose your parental authority as per a U.N. treaty
	Thank you for this post. I will definately be passig this information along and acting upon it. -----signature----- "Pallys are simply self healing rocks." - IndridCole
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dbzuffa Posts: 39 Registered: Jun 16, '08 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 39 User ID: 1,304,597	Subject: American parents, prepare to lose your parental authority as per a U.N. treaty
	I agree with #3, #9 and #10 of the "10 things you need to know about the substance" the rest of it is messed up! Glad I am Canadian -----signature----- This is Ifibuildit btw...I broke my first username and had to get another....no I was not banned :P
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myxomatosis8 Title: amateur zookeeper Posts: 18,778 Registered: Jul 14, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 18,441 User ID: 251,097	Subject: American parents, prepare to lose your parental authority as per a U.N. treaty
	<quote=dbzuffa>I agree with #3, #9 and #10 of the "10 things you need to know about the substance" the rest of it is messed up! Glad I am Canadian </quote> Last time I checked, we're also part of the U.N. in Canada. I don't agree at all that kids can take their parents to court for stupid things. Basically anything but abuse should NOT be touched by the law, but by the family!!! I'm sure I'll read this and do nothing about it, though. -----signature----- If you're flammable and have legs, you're never blocking a fire exit.
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Varece Posts: 46,015 Registered: Jan 7, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 44,985 User ID: 598,676	Subject: American parents, prepare to lose your parental authority as per a U.N. treaty
	I think if your kids start taking you to court for anything, you have way bigger problems than this treaty. -----signature----- I am no longer young enough to know everything Knowledge is Free America's Libraries "You embrace that which defines you" "If you tell the truth, you don't need a good memory" We're not perfect...we're parents
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myxomatosis8 Title: amateur zookeeper Posts: 18,778 Registered: Jul 14, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 18,441 User ID: 251,097	Subject: American parents, prepare to lose your parental authority as per a U.N. treaty
	See, that's the thing... I can't even imagine an instance in which my kids would even consider trying to go to court or whatever against me!! Maybe things will feel different when they're teens, but by then I hope to hell I haven't failed as a parent, and that I've instilled some sense of respect in me, and in my husband... -----signature----- If you're flammable and have legs, you're never blocking a fire exit.
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Varece Posts: 46,015 Registered: Jan 7, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 44,985 User ID: 598,676	Subject: American parents, prepare to lose your parental authority as per a U.N. treaty
	Yeah, my kids tried that (jokingly) "Mom is mean! Call 1-800-4ACHILD!!!" My reply was always, "go for it. YOU will be removed from the house and placed in foster care. You think they have 1/10th of what you have?" They didn't like that at all. Lol! Parents who let their kids run the house, should be worried. -----signature----- I am no longer young enough to know everything Knowledge is Free America's Libraries "You embrace that which defines you" "If you tell the truth, you don't need a good memory" We're not perfect...we're parents
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dbzuffa Posts: 39 Registered: Jun 16, '08 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 39 User ID: 1,304,597	Subject: American parents, prepare to lose your parental authority as per a U.N. treaty
	Whoops, allow me to take the foot out of my mouth This has been ratified in Canada, just not fully implemented. Scary thought though. -----signature----- This is Ifibuildit btw...I broke my first username and had to get another....no I was not banned :P
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