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Topic: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids

doerayme_fasolatido Title: Scalding Skaldette Posts: 4,166 Registered: Jan 22, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 4,014 User ID: 626,087	Subject: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids
	LINCOLN, Neb. (AP) â€” At first, Sarah Barg thought the e-mail was a scam. Some group called the Recording Industry Association of America was accusing the University of Nebraska-Lincoln sophomore of illegally downloading 381 songs using the school's computer network and a program called Ares. The letter said she might be sued but offered her the chance to settle out of court. Barg couldn't imagine anyone expected her to pay $3,000 â€” $7.87 per song â€” for some 1980s ballads and Spice Girls tunes she downloaded for laughs in her dorm room. Besides, the 20-year-old had friends who had downloaded thousands of songs without repercussion. "Obviously I knew it was illegal, but no one got in trouble for it," Barg said. But Barg's perspective changed quickly that Thursday in March, when she called student legal services and found out the e-mail was no joke and that she had a pricey decision to make. Barg is one of 61 students at UNL and hundreds at more than 60 college campuses across the country who have received letters from the recording industry group, threatening a lawsuit if they don't settle out of court. "Any student on any campus in the country who is illegally downloading music may receive one of these letters in the coming months," said Jenni Engebretsen, an RIAA spokeswoman. Barg's parents paid the $3,000 settlement. Without their help, "I don't know what I would have done. I'm only 20 years old," she said. At least 500 university students nationwide have paid settlements to avoid being sued, Engebretsen said. Students who don't take the offer face lawsuits â€” and minimum damages of $750 for each copyrighted recording shared if they lose. UNL officials have been told 32 more letters are on the way. At least 17 UNL students who did not take the settlement offer have been sued, according to the RIAA, although the university has been asked to forward only five subpoenas. But the students coughing up the cash question why they're the ones getting in trouble. "They're targeting the worst people," UNL freshman Andrew Johnson, who also settled for $3,000. "Legally, it probably makes sense, because we don't have the money to fight." Johnson got his e-mail in February, with the recording industry group's first wave of letters targeting college students. He had downloaded 100 songs on a program called LimeWire using the university network. The money to settle came from the 18-year-old's college fund. He'll work three jobs this summer to pay back the money. Johnson compares what he did to people driving 5 miles per hour over the speed limit. "It's not like I downloaded millions of songs and sold them to people," Johnson said. But just one song can bring a lawsuit, Engebretsen said. "It is important to send the message that this is illegal, you can be caught, and there are consequences," she said. The industry realizes attitudes need changing, and money from the settlements is reinvested in educational programs schools and other groups can use to spread the word that song sharing can have severe consequences. Some of the programs are tailored to start with third-graders. "We do recognize that by the time students reach college, many of their music habits are already formed," Engebretsen said. Earlier this month, members of Congress sent a letter to officials from 19 universities, including UNL, asking for information about schools' anti-piracy policies. According to the letter, more than half of college students download copyrighted music and movies. The information requested is intended to help assess whether Congress needs to advance legislation to ensure illegal downloading "is no longer commonly associated with student life on some U.S. campuses," the letter says. Barg is still angry about her letter from the recording industry group, which she calls bullying. But she agrees sharing music is common, and that other students don't understand the consequences. "Technically, I'm guilty. I just think it's ridiculous, the way they're going about it," Barg said. "We have to find a way to adjust our legal policy to take into account this new technology, and so far, they're not doing a very good job." Barg thinks the university should send an e-mail to all students, warning them that the recording industry won't look the other way. As campus clears out for the summer, UNL officials are considering launching a new educational campaign in the fall. "If we can do anything to help educate students about what illegal file-sharing is, we're willing and interested in doing that," said Kelly Bartling, a university spokeswoman. Bartling said no one wants students to have to worry about how to pay tuition because of an expensive settlement. "It is a hugely expensive lesson," Bartling said. Johnson, the UNL freshman, doesn't think the threats from the recording industry group are going to solve the problem. Friends who know he got in trouble still share music online. "People are still going to do it until they get caught, and they can't catch everyone," Johnson said http://portal.grandecom.net/news/read.php?id=15004339&ps=scitech&lang=en -----signature----- Doerayme Fasolatido {50 Norse Skaldette}, Dainty Doe {50 Healer} Hear that? That is the tune of me Kicking your ass!! ~ Black Sun Rising~ http://www.myspace.com/doerayme "REMEMBER: STRESSED SPELLED BACKWARDS IS DESSERTS."
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Sapphyrez Title: Miss Personality with a side of Bitch. Posts: 16,897 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,163 User ID: 573,414	Subject: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids
	Damm those are some steep fines! -----signature----- The Queen has left the building. DAoC Mid-Kay <Fury> WoW TL PvP <Schizm> Miss Personality with a side of bitch. Housewife of the Year Award. ''If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under"
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doerayme_fasolatido Title: Scalding Skaldette Posts: 4,166 Registered: Jan 22, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 4,014 User ID: 626,087	Subject: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids
	Yeah and if you refuse to settle. They have to go to court and have to pay a minimum damages of $750 for each copyrighted recording shared if they lose. -----signature----- Doerayme Fasolatido {50 Norse Skaldette}, Dainty Doe {50 Healer} Hear that? That is the tune of me Kicking your ass!! ~ Black Sun Rising~ http://www.myspace.com/doerayme "REMEMBER: STRESSED SPELLED BACKWARDS IS DESSERTS."
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Lyndrek Title: Moderator Lynx Mod Posts: 36,955 Registered: Nov 22, '99 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 34,000 User ID: 5,632	Subject: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids
	In the US they cannot get you for downloading it is the uploading that gets you in trouble legally (the distribution, not the acquiring.) This is because they CANNOT prove that you do not actually own a CD/tape/music media that has the song in question. the article is misleading or the people who settled where stupid, because unless they uploaded they would have won their case. -----signature----- Moderator I am not a Dev!
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-Decadent- Title: ~ Tilde ~ Posts: 10,262 Registered: Aug 15, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 9,766 User ID: 955,896	Subject: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids
	The problem is, a lot of those programs (Limewire, torrents, etc.) are set up to upload while you DL, so in a way, if you're DLing you're also uploading. And that's probably how they got caught in the first place. ~ -----signature----- § - Decadent - § <Wenches and Mead><Ineffable><Recoil> Zavven - Shaman - Skull Throne Cleric - Healer - Bainshee - DAoC Priest - Shaman - Paladin - Rogue - WoW
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BudTheWiser Title: GO DAWGS! Posts: 6,081 Registered: May 18, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,856 User ID: 680,499	Subject: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids
	Yeah, you have to be really careful, especially with torrents. It's the upload that gets you. I've gotten 2 notices from my cable company that my IP was logged for some movies I was downloading that way. You can force encryption of your IP to avoid that, but you have to pay attention to what you're doing. -----signature----- Odorous Urungus, ML 10 8L3 Thane Kay (Retired) Johnnyreb, Rogue, Laughing Skull (Cancelled) Your friendly neighborhood pervert
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Lyndrek Title: Moderator Lynx Mod Posts: 36,955 Registered: Nov 22, '99 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 34,000 User ID: 5,632	Subject: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids
	don't get into specifics -----signature----- Moderator I am not a Dev!
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the_great_intex Title: This is what cool looks like Posts: 30,622 Registered: Jun 27, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 27,363 User ID: 692,453	Subject: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids
	They get caught cause they used the University's connection, my university rats people out all the time aswell. So there's the tip, if you are using the University connection, don't download stuff illegally. MIAA and RNAA are complete tools though, just another way to overpay celebrities and their lawyers for stupid things. Its thing like them is why I don't respect any celebrity, at all, not a single one of them. -----signature----- Only those who dare to fail greatly, can ever achieve greatly In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity The only thing in life achieved without effort is failure Time Circuits... On. Flux Capacitor.... fluxxing.
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KoE-Reigning Title: The Fourth Horseman Posts: 13,457 Registered: Jul 29, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 12,398 User ID: 701,626	Subject: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids
	I have no sympathy. While I've no love for the RIAA, record companies, ect, in downloading songs you also are screwing over the artist, and that isnt cool. I dont give my work away for free. I, nor you, nor anybody else, has the right to tell them that they have to. -----signature----- Diablous 80 Warlock Leonidias 74 Hunter Darkseid 70 Warrior Wynn 3X Paladin Sargeras/Alliance Formerly Dumog Alb/Lance That which does not kill me has made a severe tactical blunder
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BudTheWiser Title: GO DAWGS! Posts: 6,081 Registered: May 18, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,856 User ID: 680,499	Subject: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids
	Artists make money touring and from merchandise. They have not made anything on album sales in a long time. The record companies make money off of the album sales. If the artists were making money on album sales, I'd feel differently. The idea that file sharing takes money out of the artist's pocket is a myth perpetuated by the record companies. When you can download a ticket to a concert for free, I'll buy the downloads hurt artists BS. -----signature----- Odorous Urungus, ML 10 8L3 Thane Kay (Retired) Johnnyreb, Rogue, Laughing Skull (Cancelled) Your friendly neighborhood pervert
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Nevver Title: VIP Non Sequitur Posts: 20,815 Registered: Apr 3, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 20,509 User ID: 664,431	Subject: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids
	Artists do make a percentage of money from album sales even if they make more from touring and merchandise. However, they do have the potential to get screwed by the label. Here is a good article by Steve Albini about how the music industry works: http://negativland.com/albini.html My feeling is that pirating music is wrong no matter how small amount of money the artist isn't receiving as a result. -----signature----- Devil's Advocate.·´¯`·..·» "Nevver: Like the thing that hides in your closet. But worse." - Gueve
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NeehiK Title: Perma-newb Posts: 6,760 Registered: Oct 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 6,407 User ID: 729,324	Subject: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids
	$7.87 per SONG? It didn't cost that much for the entire tape/album when it was first released for most of the music I have. -----signature----- Thalatos Sorcerer on Port Nowhere
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Lord_Hastur Title: Zombie Lord Posts: 761 Registered: Oct 2, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 721 User ID: 972,480	Subject: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids
	what they don't tell you is your settling with the RIAA. the Actual record labels can come back later and sue you. -----signature----- Doubleds tells you, "EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!" IG Characters: The Item Appraiser, Adept of Dereth, Ro, Painless Death, Plural Follower of Nanny I Husband of Pine "Almost nobody dances sober, unless they happen to be insane". -H.P.
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N-A-S-T-Y Posts: 6,052 Registered: Dec 23, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,881 User ID: 751,699	Subject: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids
	So remember kids... Download at home, not school. -----signature----- Hi
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tehproman Posts: 32 Registered: Dec 5, '06 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 32 User ID: 1,189,084	Subject: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids
	gez now im so scared to use bittorents and stuff...wait is dat considered illegal? cos im in australia...is it illegal? -----signature----- (none)
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the_great_intex Title: This is what cool looks like Posts: 30,622 Registered: Jun 27, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 27,363 User ID: 692,453	Subject: Music Piracy Crackdown Nets College Kids
	Well technically american industries can't come after you, but im sure they have branches inside Australia that can. I know of Warner Bro's Sweden came after the pirate bay group a couple of times, ended up with them (Warner Bros) being slammed down due to Sweden's privacy laws that pretty much protect piracy. But most of these major record lables and film industries have daughter companies in many countries, not just the US Like so (copying and pasting from TPB's blog) Thanks to the email-leakage from MediaDefender-Defenders we now have proof of the things we've been suspecting for a long time; the big record and movie labels are paying professional hackers, saboteurs and ddosers to destroy our trackers. While browsing through the email we identified the companies that are also active in Sweden and we have tonight reported these incidents to the police. The charges are infrastructural sabotage, denial of service attacks, hacking and spamming, all of these on a commercial level. The companies that are being reported are the following: * Twentieth Century Fox, Sweden AB * Emi Music Sweden AB * Universal Music Group Sweden AB * Universal Pictures Nordic AB * Paramount Home Entertainment (Sweden) AB * Atari Nordic AB * Activision Nordic Filial Till Activision (Uk) Ltd * Ubisoft Sweden AB * Sony Bmg Music Entertainment (Sweden) AB * Sony Pictures Home Entertainment Nordic AB Stay tuned for updates. Media-defender btw was pretty much (or still is) a program that would be downloaded as a dummy torrent and send all your personal data back to it. It was hired by many major record and film lables out there. The lawsuit is about those same record lables and film industries actually hiring hackers (through email) to DOS and attack the pirate bay website, among a few other things like steal memberlist data. -----signature----- Only those who dare to fail greatly, can ever achieve greatly In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity The only thing in life achieved without effort is failure Time Circuits... On. Flux Capacitor.... fluxxing.
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