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visionoftruth
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Crash!
Almost every time with many different rigs so I know it's not OS/hardware specific.
Everyone in game seems to know about the problem, not much descussion here or the decal forums though..
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are you trying to imply something?
If so, you're incorrect. Decal doesn't do anything special or specific for ELTank or LifeTank. Those plugins are treated no differently than any other plugins within Decal.
If not, then I don't know what the connection might be other than possibly account or character related, or perhaps many of your machines have similar enough hardware to cause problems (such as a lack of Video Memory).
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none of the above...
I am not implying anything..
Various hardware plenty of system/video memory, freshly installed OS'es and again many I speak with in game confirm it...
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If you want help, you should post an export.
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I dont really want help..
My exports are normal it's simply buggy...
I am an IT specialist and would know if something was setup wrong.
It just crashes due to certain plugins and alpha decal.
Look at the decal forums and search, you will see specific reports on it with no abnormal exports but also no follow up or work around.
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without an export, how are we to even LOOK at possible issues?
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and contrary to popular belief, we actually do look at those threads, and attempt to figure out what's wrong. In many cases, we don't speak because we have nothing to say... doesn't mean we don't try to look for an answer (or in some cases continue looking).
many times we have to look at a lot of people experiencing the same issues and compare stats. Eventually we find similiarities and can track down problems that way.. without the export, we don't have anything to go on other than you saying it doesn't work, and claiming that you're an IT professional so you know more about how this stuff works than we do.
If you want us to do anything about your potential issues, we need information to study.
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I am just saying take my word for it...
I'll post some exports and crash bugs from the event viewer for you but I am pretty sure it's a bug either decal or plugin specific and it's happening with all my friends online. It's just not really being reported..
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if it's not reported and backed up with statistical data or troubleshooting information we can use, then how are we supposed to fix it? or even know to fix it?
If you think it's a decal or plugin problem, then we need to track down exactly what the problem is so we can fix it. That's why Decal is in Alpha.. so we can find these things and take care of them and move onto Beta.
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Also, if you are to imply something wrong with the plugins themselves... and I'll be honest, I don't care if you're Bill Gates. If you're here to ask for help or ask if someone else has had this issue, please post something other than something only backed up by ignorance or rumors. If there truely was a widespread problem, believe me, it'd be on the boards and every developer involved would have a slew of emails... neither of which are apparent here.
Please, as everyone else has asked... if you are having issues, please at the very least post an export. It's possible you may have quickly overlooked something that may have a known bug that could be pinpointed... for all we know, you may be running Win98 on all of your "rigs".
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98?
lol...
btw.. There are about 12 machines in this house....
All of which I play AC on and the problem exists on all of them..
You never crash while logging in and out? (sometimes it takes a 4 or 5 log in/out's..)
Again... I'll post some exports dont get your self in a tizzy..
Maybe I'm wrong in which case that's good news as then somehow there is a solution.
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I'm not laughing, and oddly enough you still haven't stated it yet. It's well known Decal doesn't work on 98.
So again, if you would like assistance with the issues you are having, please provide any information you can so someone here can try to help. But if your intentions were only to stir up a fuss and spread rumors, I'd have to politely ask you not to do that here =)
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Decal (DenAgent.exe) version: 2.9.5.0
type, enabled, name, version, clsid
Plugins, 1, AC Tool Companion, 5.4.0.64, {12132875-071F-4800-86C1-142F128DBE48}
Plugins, 1, ELTank v2.6.0.20-Beta-7, 2.6.0.20, {39E9E0F5-85D7-4C38-87D6-3BBCB853357E}
Plugins, 0, playersOnline, 1.0.0.0, {1D16EB9F-E3E0-4332-BDEE-CDB4B8D4B2A6}
Plugins, 0, Mouse Wheel v2, 1.8.0.0, {66E67FB0-17B9-44B9-A044-8821EBC91668}
Plugins, 1, Decal Hotkey System, 2.9.5.0, {6B6B9FA8-37DE-4FA3-8C60-52BD6A2F9855}
Plugins, 0, Make It!, 5.9.6.0, {70DD2CC6-E638-4F43-9F15-C84A0FC7DC76}
Plugins, 0, Find It!, 2.9.7.0, {70DD5EF7-FE29-46C3-B0B3-4185327A35F1}
Plugins, 0, Sort It!, 5.9.6.0, {70DDE3AE-5ADD-4003-9600-C2F6830D7670}
Plugins, 0, winampController, 1.0.0.0, {86F19DD8-AED5-4838-8E69-66C5A599B7DC}
Plugins, 0, LifeTank XI, 11.7.0.1, {910C0F8E-827A-4E35-A980-50D57D0B1296}
Plugins, 0, Spies, 3.0.0.2, {AE757532-46A3-47EE-AEA7-59748ED6B0F5}
Plugins, 0, SkunkVision, 1.0.0.5, {B8B64AFD-3D96-490D-A70B-CE962227148A}
Network Filters, 1, Echo Filter 2, 2.9.5.0, {34239EAD-6317-4C40-A405-193BA5232DD8}
Network Filters, 1, Character Stats Filter, 2.9.5.0, {4540C969-08D1-46BF-97AD-6B19D3C10BEE}
Network Filters, 1, World Object Filter, 2.9.5.0, {53092D1B-F0B0-46FF-BF11-8F031EC9B137}
Network Filters, 1, Decal FileService, 2.9.5.0, {5E9B2FC3-C251-4589-8CE3-2BCA542B98B6}
Network Filters, 1, Identify Queue Filter, 2.9.5.0, {B0C05A9A-273D-4BC4-B7BA-E27CF94C8EF4}
Network Filters, 1, SpellFilter, 2.9.5.0, {C2D43735-BE7E-4829-AF73-F2E7E820EB16}
Network Filters, 1, Darkside Filter, 11.7.0.1, {F93FD48F-BA68-4BF5-A7B3-7908D1634331}
Services, 1, Decal .NET Lifetime Service, 2.9.5.0, {71A69713-6593-47EC-0001-0000000DECA1}
Services, 1, Decal Dat Service, 2.9.5.0, {37B083F0-276E-43AD-8D26-3F7449B519DC}
Services, 1, Decal Render Service, 2.9.5.0, {FB3C8286-88ED-4B4D-B413-94B40F346239}
Services, 1, Decal Inject Gateway Service, 2.9.5.0, {FEFE5CAB-10E4-404F-AD4D-184BCB506099}
Services, 1, Decal Input Service, 2.9.5.0, {B33307BA-706D-474A-80B9-70BB8D13EF3E}
Services, 1, Decal Networking Service, 2.9.5.0, {C8C406F8-BA2E-4964-8B04-FF38394A8E0E}
Services, 1, Decal D3DService, 2.9.5.0, {F0CC07A0-2C89-4FA4-9356-714665BC2F8B}
Surrogates, 1, Decal.Adapter Surrogate, 2.9.5.0, {71A69713-6593-47EC-0002-0000000DECA1}
Surrogates, 1, Prefilter Network Filter Surrogate, 2.9.5.0, {443D4A68-5422-4E0C-9460-973F8FBDB190}
Surrogates, 1, ActiveX Plugin Surrogate, 2.9.5.0, {7559F22F-C56F-4621-AE08-9C354D799D4B}
Surrogates, -1, Version 1 Plugin Surrogate, 2.9.5.0, {3D837F6E-B5CA-4604-885F-7AB45FCFA62A}
Input Actions, 1, Delay Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {324D76B8-D8C7-4A81-B867-E4E1F874E488}
Input Actions, 1, Mouse Move Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {57D18578-0BF0-4DE5-A0A9-E7CB531C0429}
Input Actions, 1, Restore Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {6EE2F682-7129-44BE-84B9-787BAE35EC1C}
Input Actions, 1, Polled Delay Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {762335B2-2274-4BB4-8B1F-F7286C949FF7}
Input Actions, 1, Typing Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {9CDCEEDC-F8AC-42D5-9A05-52B9346D00A4}
Input Actions, 1, Event Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {D6E4BD19-4900-4515-BCE2-A9EA4AAE2699}
Operating System:
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
[Protected Storage Service] : Automatic
Decal Settings
: Timer (Default)
[Portal Path] : f:\games\ac\
[Launcher App] : acclient.exe
: http://update.decaldev.com
[memlocs.xml] : 24464 bytes, Version 0.0.11.2806
[messages.xml] : 53271 bytes, Version 2006.08.22.1
[Video Memory] : 257916864
D3DX Libraries (Only d3dx9_30 is required)
[d3dx9_24.dll] : Installed (9.5.132.0)
[d3dx9_25.dll] : Installed (9.6.168.0)
[d3dx9_26.dll] : Installed (9.7.239.0)
[d3dx9_27.dll] : Installed (9.8.299.0)
[d3dx9_28.dll] : Installed (9.10.455.0)
[d3dx9_29.dll] : Installed (9.11.519.0)
[d3dx9_30.dll] : Installed (9.12.589.0)
---Support Libraries ---
Note: The following libraries are not necessary for Decal to function and are only provided to be of use to plugin developers.
.NET Frameworks
[v1.0.3705] (1.0 Final) : Not Installed
[v1.1.4322] (1.1 Final) : Installed (Service Pack 1)
[v2.0.50215] (2.0 Beta 2) : Not Installed
[v2.0.50727] (2.0 Final) : Installed
C++ Libraries
[msvbvm60.dll] : Installed (6.0.97.82)
[atl70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[mfc70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[msvcr70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[msvcp70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[atl71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
[mfc71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
[msvcr71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3052.4)
[msvcp71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
Microsoft XML Libraries
[msxml3.dll] : Installed (8.70.1113.0)
[msxml4.dll] : Installed (4.20.9818.0)
---Video Device Information---
[Device] : RADEON 9800 PRO
[Device Name] : \\.\DISPLAY1
[KeyDeviceID] : Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4E48&SUBSYS_00021002&REV_00
[KeyDeviceKey] : \Registry\Machine\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Video\{17A2B326-8B97-4DC6-B6D2-557253741776}\0000
[Manufacturer] : ATI Technologies Inc.
[ChipType] : RADEON 9800 PRO AGP (0x4E48)
[DACType] : Internal DAC(400MHz)
[Revision] :
[MemoryLocalised] : 128.0 MB
[MemoryEnglish] : 128.0 MB
[DisplayLocalised] : 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz)
[DisplayEnglish] : 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz)
[DisplayWidth] : 1280
[DisplayHeight] : 1024
[DisplayBpp] : 32
[RefreshRate] : 60
[MonitorName] : Plug and Play Monitor
[MonitorMaxRes] : 1600,1200
[DriverName] : ati2dvag.dll
[DriverVersion] : 6.14.0010.6587
[DriverAttributes] : Final Retail
[DriverLangEnglish] : English
[DriverLangLocal] : English
[DriverDateEng] : 11/22/2005 21:51:10
[DriverDateLocal] : 11/22/2005 21:51:10
[DriverSize] : 252928
[MiniVdd] : ati2mtag.sys
[MiniVddDateEng] : 11/22/2005 21:50:50
[MiniVddDateLocal] : 11/22/2005 21:50:50
[MiniVddSize] : 1410560
[Vdd] : n/a
[RenderWindow] : Yes
: No
[Debug] : No
[Signed] : No
[SignValid] : No
: {D7B71EE2-0D08-11CF-096A-0820A1C2CB35}
[DDIVer] : 9
[DDIVerEng] : 9 (or higher)
[DDIVerLocal] : 9 (or higher)
: 0
[VendorID] : 0x1002
[DeviceID] : 0x4E48
[SubSystemID] : 0x00021002
[RevisionID] : 0x0000
[WHQL Level] : 0
[NoHardware] : 0
[DDAccelEnabled] : Yes
[3DAccelExists] : Yes
[3DAccelEnabled] : Yes
[AGP Enabled] : Yes
[AGPExists] : Yes
[AGPExistsValid] : Yes
and for the error report when it crashes:
This particular time I logged out and in 3 times to cause it to crash.
AppName: acclient.exe AppVer: 0.0.11.2806 ModName: decalrender.dll
ModVer: 2.9.5.0 Offset: 0000a534
and to add to that:
http://forums.acdev.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3434&highlight=log
doesnt seem to rumerish to me...
Hope you can work some magic that I cant see in the obvious becuase it looks like a problem with decalrender.dll to me..
Again I have tried this on multiple computers, clean OS installs, Nvidia, ATI, and more..
I suggest you try to reproduce the problem...
It happens with both El Tank and Life Tank..
It does not happen with just the Decal Hotkey subsystem.
On the other computers I have tried to just install minimal plugins for example decal, windows updates (ect.), and El Tank.
On another computer minimally the same thing but lets say with Life Tank.
Same thing happens...
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Here is from another computer:
This one only took logging in and on the log out *Crash* *bork* *snarf*
syntax error 
anyway here is the export and info:
Decal (DenAgent.exe) version: 2.9.5.0
type, enabled, name, version, clsid
Plugins, 0, AC Tool Companion, 5.4.0.64, {12132875-071F-4800-86C1-142F128DBE48}
Plugins, 1, ELTank v2.6.0.20-Beta-7, 2.6.0.20, {39E9E0F5-85D7-4C38-87D6-3BBCB853357E}
Plugins, 0, Decal Hotkey System, 2.9.5.0, {6B6B9FA8-37DE-4FA3-8C60-52BD6A2F9855}
Plugins, 0, LifeTank XI, 11.7.0.1, {910C0F8E-827A-4E35-A980-50D57D0B1296}
Network Filters, 1, Echo Filter 2, 2.9.5.0, {34239EAD-6317-4C40-A405-193BA5232DD8}
Network Filters, 1, Character Stats Filter, 2.9.5.0, {4540C969-08D1-46BF-97AD-6B19D3C10BEE}
Network Filters, 1, World Object Filter, 2.9.5.0, {53092D1B-F0B0-46FF-BF11-8F031EC9B137}
Network Filters, 1, Decal FileService, 2.9.5.0, {5E9B2FC3-C251-4589-8CE3-2BCA542B98B6}
Network Filters, 1, Identify Queue Filter, 2.9.5.0, {B0C05A9A-273D-4BC4-B7BA-E27CF94C8EF4}
Network Filters, 1, SpellFilter, 2.9.5.0, {C2D43735-BE7E-4829-AF73-F2E7E820EB16}
Network Filters, 1, Darkside Filter, 11.7.0.1, {F93FD48F-BA68-4BF5-A7B3-7908D1634331}
Services, 1, Decal .NET Lifetime Service, 2.9.5.0, {71A69713-6593-47EC-0001-0000000DECA1}
Services, 1, Decal Dat Service, 2.9.5.0, {37B083F0-276E-43AD-8D26-3F7449B519DC}
Services, 1, Decal Render Service, 2.9.5.0, {FB3C8286-88ED-4B4D-B413-94B40F346239}
Services, 1, Decal Inject Gateway Service, 2.9.5.0, {FEFE5CAB-10E4-404F-AD4D-184BCB506099}
Services, 1, Decal Input Service, 2.9.5.0, {B33307BA-706D-474A-80B9-70BB8D13EF3E}
Services, 1, Decal Networking Service, 2.9.5.0, {C8C406F8-BA2E-4964-8B04-FF38394A8E0E}
Services, 1, Decal D3DService, 2.9.5.0, {F0CC07A0-2C89-4FA4-9356-714665BC2F8B}
Surrogates, 1, Decal.Adapter Surrogate, 2.9.5.0, {71A69713-6593-47EC-0002-0000000DECA1}
Surrogates, 1, Prefilter Network Filter Surrogate, 2.9.5.0, {443D4A68-5422-4E0C-9460-973F8FBDB190}
Surrogates, 1, ActiveX Plugin Surrogate, 2.9.5.0, {7559F22F-C56F-4621-AE08-9C354D799D4B}
Surrogates, -1, Version 1 Plugin Surrogate, 2.9.5.0, {3D837F6E-B5CA-4604-885F-7AB45FCFA62A}
Input Actions, 1, Delay Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {324D76B8-D8C7-4A81-B867-E4E1F874E488}
Input Actions, 1, Mouse Move Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {57D18578-0BF0-4DE5-A0A9-E7CB531C0429}
Input Actions, 1, Restore Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {6EE2F682-7129-44BE-84B9-787BAE35EC1C}
Input Actions, 1, Polled Delay Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {762335B2-2274-4BB4-8B1F-F7286C949FF7}
Input Actions, 1, Typing Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {9CDCEEDC-F8AC-42D5-9A05-52B9346D00A4}
Input Actions, 1, Event Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {D6E4BD19-4900-4515-BCE2-A9EA4AAE2699}
Operating System:
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
[Protected Storage Service] : Automatic
Decal Settings
: Timer (Default)
[Portal Path] : c:\games\ac\
[Launcher App] : acclient.exe
: http://update.decaldev.com
[memlocs.xml] : 24464 bytes, Version 0.0.11.2806
[messages.xml] : 53271 bytes, Version 2006.08.22.1
[Video Memory] : 111194240
D3DX Libraries (Only d3dx9_30 is required)
[d3dx9_24.dll] : Installed (9.5.132.0)
[d3dx9_25.dll] : Installed (9.6.168.0)
[d3dx9_26.dll] : Installed (9.7.239.0)
[d3dx9_27.dll] : Installed (9.8.299.0)
[d3dx9_28.dll] : Installed (9.10.455.0)
[d3dx9_29.dll] : Installed (9.11.519.0)
[d3dx9_30.dll] : Installed (9.12.589.0)
---Support Libraries ---
Note: The following libraries are not necessary for Decal to function and are only provided to be of use to plugin developers.
.NET Frameworks
[v1.0.3705] (1.0 Final) : Not Installed
[v1.1.4322] (1.1 Final) : Installed SP1
[v2.0.50215] (2.0 Beta 2) : Not Installed
[v2.0.50727] (2.0 Final) : Installed
C++ Libraries
[msvbvm60.dll] : Installed (6.0.96.90)
[atl70.dll] : Not Installed
[mfc70.dll] : Not Installed
[msvcr70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[msvcp70.dll] : Not Installed
[atl71.dll] : Not Installed
[mfc71.dll] : Not Installed
[msvcr71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3052.4)
[msvcp71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
Microsoft XML Libraries
[msxml3.dll] : Installed (8.70.1113.0)
[msxml4.dll] : Installed (4.20.9818.0)
---Video Device Information---
[Device] : RADEON 8500 SERIES
[Device Name] : \\.\DISPLAY1
[KeyDeviceID] : Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_514C&SUBSYS_013A1002&REV_00
[KeyDeviceKey] : \Registry\Machine\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Video\{89FFC063-1A66-4E9C-A48B-EDB7C6F7B574}\0000
[Manufacturer] : ATI Technologies Inc.
[ChipType] : RADEON 8500 Series AGP (0x514C)
[DACType] : Internal DAC(400MHz)
[Revision] :
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I notice on the 2nd machine you only have 64megs of video memory. Having read many of the threads here, I've seen that the current version of Decal is a memory hog, and a memory hog program with a memory hog plug-in (read El-Tank and Lifetank) can crash you during login when the acclient is using a great deal of even more memory.
Wow- that's a lot of memory.
Your first machine has 128megs which would be the bare minimum I would dare use for the current version of decal. ALSO when reading past threads, I've read that the next versions of decal will be more video memory friendly.
If you've got the chat clients turned on in El-Tank or Lifetank - try turning them off as my computer gets hung up most often at that point of login.
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Well I have narrowed down the problem.
The above post is not correct it has nothing to do with the video memory.
Basically this is my findings:
I was working on machine 1 for a while turning off each filter one at at time looking for something that would take away the bug.
I found it...
It was character stats filter. The problem compeletely vanished when I unchecked character stats.
I could log in and out about 20 times in a row.
I turned it back on.. Problem came back..
I said ok now I went to computer 2.
I disabled character stats.
I logged in and out a few times and bam crash..
I thought hmmm then I looked at the exports a little closer.
If you look at the first machine it has the following:
C++ Libraries
[msvbvm60.dll] : Installed (6.0.97.82)
[atl70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[mfc70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[msvcr70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[msvcp70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[atl71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
[mfc71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
[msvcr71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3052.4)
[msvcp71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
Now here is the second machine:
C++ Libraries
[msvbvm60.dll] : Installed (6.0.96.90)
[atl70.dll] : Not Installed
[mfc70.dll] : Not Installed
[msvcr70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[msvcp70.dll] : Not Installed
[atl71.dll] : Not Installed
[mfc71.dll] : Not Installed
[msvcr71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3052.4)
[msvcp71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
I installed vbrun60sp5
I installed WindowsXP-Windows2000-Script56-KB917344-x86-enu
on both machines respectively however there was a difference.
nothing changed for the second machine.. The Export remained the same.
The only difference was a different install disk for XP on machine 1.
The one that had all the .dll's installed was from a XP SP1 Install CD.
The one that did not have all the .dll's was installed from a SP2 Install CD.
Now I don't know what significance there is there if any but it's the only difference I could note right off.
So... In my brilliance I did the most complicated thing in the world.
I copied the .dll files from machine 1 to machine 2's system32 directory.
system 2 -> Export
now reads..
C++ Libraries
[msvbvm60.dll] : Installed (6.0.97.82)
[atl70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[mfc70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[msvcr70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[msvcp70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[atl71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
[mfc71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
[msvcr71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3052.4)
[msvcp71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
respectively.
Now both machines can log in and out all day as long as character stats is turned off. As soon as I turn it on they both go back to having problems. I cannot say why the C++ Libraries have anything to do with it but they do.
The whole above problem only pertains to El Tank.
I reproduced the issue on a few machines now and it is consistent...
As for Life Tank I was wrong it does not have a problem logging in and out.. Only when spies is loaded with it does it start giving the same problem that El Tank gives with the following:
szAppName: acclient.exe szAppVer: 0.0.11.2806 szModName: hungapp
szModVer: 0.0.0.0 offset: 0000000
AppName: acclient.exe AppVer: 0.0.112.2806 AppStamp: 4521f14f
ModName: decalrender.dll ModVer: 2.9.5.0 ModStamp: 4486e59d
FDebuf: 0 Offset: 0000a534
However with LifeTank if you disable character stats filter (Life Tank wont work) then you can log in and out again even with spies loaded.
Now hmm let me think here...
El Tank bypasses certain filters yes? I'm not sure I need to research the issue more...
I am not really sure of the conclusion other than these are my findings and I hope they help your whining to me about not providing information.
Now for the question...
Why is character stats the issue in relation with C++ Libraries in this particular manner?
Something has got to be out of order in the code or something..
I have no way of debugging the issue much further and have given it as much time as I feel like giving it as I am not a part of the dev team..
However I assure you that anyone using LifeTank with Spies crashes..
I assure you that many friends online and at the decal boards are complaining of similar crashes with El Tank..
This should be sufficient information.
Do I come off snubb'n?
yeah your attitude sucked when I posted this..
either way for progression I hope it helps others..
Two distinct things to look into:
[msvbvm60.dll] : Installed (6.0.97.82)(machine 1)
[msvbvm60.dll] : Installed (6.0.96.90)(machine 2 "fresh install")
both had the same updates from elgarl's website ran..
vbrun60sp5
WindowsXP-Windows2000-Script56-KB917344-x86-enu
Also:
Another one of my freshly installed XP machines I was installing the above updates and after the export showed the following for C++ Libraries
[msvbvm60.dll] : Installed (6.0.96.90) "fresh install" with vbrun60sp5 ran and WindowsXP-Windows2000-Script56-KB917344-x86-enu
[msvbvm60.dll] : Installed (6.0.96.90)
[atl70.dll] : Not Installed
[mfc70.dll] : Not Installed
[msvcr70.dll] : Not Installed
[msvcp70.dll] : Not Installed
[atl71.dll] : Not Installed
[mfc71.dll] : Not Installed
[msvcr71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3052.4)
[msvcp71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
again on this machine the problem was fixed by copying over the C++ Libraries appropriately from machine 1 and disabling character stats.
At a glance it seems obvious that character stats is causing a problem but beyond that I would say msvbvm60.dll version 6.0.96.90 is causing the problem even when character stats filter is turned off.
However if msvbvm60.dll version 6.0.97.82 is installed in the appropriate path with character stats filter disabled then El Tank has no problems logging in and out all day long.
Very similar findings happen with LifeTank and Spies running together however if you disable character stats filter then LifeTank doesnt work so it defeats the purpose the answer here is dont use spies with lifetank as its useless anyway except for more municipal purposes if you know what i mean.
So that's that..
If you have this problem with El Tank try the suggestion..
Hopefully the devs wont act so snobbish and fix the problem...
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it's the way you phrased the "question" even though there was no question there.
you were simply ... talking.
it sounded as if you were implying something to do between Decal and the Tank plugins. That is why you got a negative reaction from me... then your failure to post exports even though you were "reporting a problem", and finally your lack of respecting the rules was the final nail in the coffin. You can't selectively choose rules. That's not how it works. You can't only abide by the rules that you see fit. That's not how a cultured society operates.
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Don't be lecturing people on rules. The guy is an admitted ucmer in another thread and you're sitting here trying to help him get his ucm plugins working. Come on Drak.
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I'm not a hypocrit. I'm not selectively choosing either. I help people.. that's what I do. If someone needs help (regardless of status or situation) I help them. That's the kind of person I am. Doesn't mean I like them, or are happy with what they are doing, but if they have a problem that needs fixing, that's what I'm attempting to do.
Especially considering that the problem is quite likely NOT a plugin issue, but is actually an issue in CharStats (which I think has already been fixed). Sorry you don't like him.. neither do I. But that doesn't mean I won't help someone who needs it.
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^That's pretty lame.
"Sorry officer, I knew he just stole from my neighbor". "But I seen that his battery was dead, so I gave him a boost."
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call it what you want, but at least I have integrity.
And your analogy is completely off. I'm not helping HIM get his Tanks working.. I'm helping OTHERS with Decal issues that might actually be a legitimate DECAL problem. If it fixes his problem in the meantime, fine. My main goal however is to fix whatever Decal problems there are, and this looks to possibly be one.
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>> If someone needs help (regardless of status or situation) I help them. That's the kind of person I am. Doesn't mean I like them, or are happy with what they are doing, but if they have a problem that needs fixing, that's what I'm attempting to do.
It's just the right thing to do
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Exactly. Thank you VI.
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Man you guys treat this whole thing like it was some sort of religion..
Apart from all aside I reported the problem to explain the stuff is buggy.
I wasnt looking for help.
I gave help...
Even if I UCM or whatever by your standards and you dont like me who cares..
I am not asking for your help though..
Im telling you a problem that needs to be fixed...
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<< Im telling you a problem that needs to be fixed... >>
And it sounds like Drakier said he thinks it has been fixed, but just not released yet. But then he wasn't able to give you that type of answer till you provided more information.
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He obviously doesnt seem to be able to see the relation right off the drop of the hat.
Wheter he admits it or not my information provided is helpful..
end of story..
further more none of this has anything to do with helping me get my "plugin working" lol whoever said that is a moron and the issue has nothing to do with the eternal UCM debate its strictly about a decal bug..
This is basically bugs of decals character stats filter and now people will finally be able to understand why their el tank is crashing and other plugins are crashing on log out's.
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Are you a complete, [MOD-Edit] retard?
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it also has alot of doing with making changes to tank set up, when I reformated I had to reload everything and re set Tank up, as I did this for each of my char. I crashed everytime when I logged off, After I finished I loged in, did not make any changes to tank and when I loged out all was good. I have leaned to accept it, and let the devs do there thing, they are good at what they do, and I respect that. and this is what my export is saying.
Decal (DenAgent.exe) version: 2.9.5.0
type, enabled, name, version,
Plugins, 1, ELTank v2.6.0.20-Beta-7, 2.6.0.20
Plugins, 1, DCS, 2.0.0.3
Plugins, 0, Decal Hotkey System, 2.9.5.0
Plugins, 0, LifeTank XI, 11.7.0.1
Plugins, 1, AmmoGimp, 1.2.5.2
Network Filters, 1, Echo Filter 2, 2.9.5.0
Network Filters, 1, Character Stats Filter, 2.9.5.0
Network Filters, 1, World Object Filter, 2.9.5.0
Network Filters, 1, Decal FileService, 2.9.5.0
Network Filters, 1, Identify Queue Filter, 2.9.5.0
Network Filters, 1, SpellFilter, 2.9.5.0
Network Filters, 1, Darkside Filter, 11.7.0.1
Services, 1, Decal .NET Lifetime Service, 2.9.5.0
Services, 1, Decal Dat Service, 2.9.5.0
Services, 1, Decal Render Service, 2.9.5.0
Services, 1, Decal Inject Gateway Service, 2.9.5.0
Services, 1, Decal Input Service, 2.9.5.0
Services, 1, Decal Networking Service, 2.9.5.0
Services, 1, Decal D3DService, 2.9.5.0
Surrogates, 1, Decal.Adapter Surrogate, 2.9.5.0
Surrogates, 1, Prefilter Network Filter Surrogate, 2.9.5.0
Surrogates, 1, ActiveX Plugin Surrogate, 2.9.5.0
Surrogates, -1, Version 1 Plugin Surrogate, 2.9.5.0
Input Actions, 1, Delay Input Action, 2.9.5.0
Input Actions, 1, Mouse Move Input Action, 2.9.5.0
Input Actions, 1, Restore Input Action, 2.9.5.0
Input Actions, 1, Polled Delay Input Action, 2.9.5.0
Input Actions, 1, Typing Input Action, 2.9.5.0
Input Actions, 1, Event Input Action, 2.9.5.0
Operating System:
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
[Protected Storage Service] : Automatic
Decal Settings
: Timer (Default)
[Portal Path] : C:\Program Files\Turbine\Asheron's Call - Throne of Destiny\
[Launcher App] : acclient.exe
: http://update.decaldev.com
[memlocs.xml] : 24464 bytes, Version 0.0.11.2806
[messages.xml] : 53271 bytes, Version 2006.08.22.1
[Video Memory] : 264241152
D3DX Libraries (Only d3dx9_30 is required)
[d3dx9_24.dll] : Installed (9.5.132.0)
[d3dx9_25.dll] : Installed (9.6.168.0)
[d3dx9_26.dll] : Installed (9.7.239.0)
[d3dx9_27.dll] : Installed (9.8.299.0)
[d3dx9_28.dll] : Installed (9.10.455.0)
[d3dx9_29.dll] : Installed (9.11.519.0)
[d3dx9_30.dll] : Installed (9.12.589.0)
---Support Libraries ---
Note: The following libraries are not necessary for Decal to function and are only provided to be of use to plugin developers.
.NET Frameworks
[v1.0.3705] (1.0 Final) : Not Installed
[v1.1.4322] (1.1 Final) : Not Installed
[v2.0.50215] (2.0 Beta 2) : Not Installed
[v2.0.50727] (2.0 Final) : Installed
C++ Libraries
[msvbvm60.dll] : Installed (6.0.96.90)
[atl70.dll] : Not Installed
[mfc70.dll] : Not Installed
[msvcr70.dll] : Not Installed
[msvcp70.dll] : Not Installed
[atl71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
[mfc71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
[msvcr71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3052.4)
[msvcp71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
Microsoft XML Libraries
[msxml3.dll] : Installed (8.70.1113.0)
[msxml4.dll] : Installed (4.20.9818.0)
---Video Device Information---
[Device] : NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200
[Device Name] : \\.\DISPLAY1
[KeyDeviceID] : Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&SUBSYS_1942270F&REV_A1
[KeyDeviceKey] : \Registry\Machine\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Video\{07F50DF6-AACE-49BD-BD8D-1C9F75D01906}\0000
[Manufacturer] : NVIDIA
[ChipType] : GeForce FX 5200
[DACType] : Integrated RAMDAC
[Revision] :
[MemoryLocalised] : 256.0 MB
[MemoryEnglish] : 256.0 MB
[DisplayLocalised] : 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
[DisplayEnglish] : 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
[DisplayWidth] : 1024
[DisplayHeight] : 768
[DisplayBpp] : 32
[RefreshRate] : 60
[MonitorName] : Plug and Play Monitor
[MonitorMaxRes] : 1600,1200
[DriverName] : nv4_disp.dll
[DriverVersion] : 6.14.0010.9371
[DriverAttributes] : Final Retail
[DriverLangEnglish] : English
[DriverLangLocal] : English
[DriverDateEng] : 10/22/2006 12:22:00
[DriverDateLocal] : 10/22/2006 12:22:00
[DriverSize] : 4527488
[MiniVdd] : nv4_mini.sys
[MiniVddDateEng] : 10/22/2006 12:22:00
[MiniVddDateLocal] : 10/22/2006 12:22:00
[MiniVddSize] : 3994624
[Vdd] : n/a
[RenderWindow] : Yes
: No
[Debug] : No
[Signed] : No
[SignValid] : No
: {D7B71E3E-4062-11CF-2460-483900C2CB35}
[DDIVer] : 9
[DDIVerEng] : 9 (or higher)
[DDIVerLocal] : 9 (or higher)
: 0
[VendorID] : 0x10DE
[DeviceID] : 0x0322
[SubSystemID] : 0x1942270F
[RevisionID] : 0x00A1
[WHQL Level] : 0
[NoHardware] : 0
[DDAccelEnabled] : Yes
[3DAccelExists] : Yes
[3DAccelEnabled] : Yes
[AGP Enabled] : Yes
[AGPExists] : Yes
[AGPExistsValid] : Yes
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Are you a complete, [MOD-Edit] retard?
yes...
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^We already knew that.
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lmao
my tech skills are gooberfied and my common sense is without merit..
I am stupid..
kill me..
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ELTank doesn't use CharacterStats, so if your crash is only when it's enabled with ELTank, then your problem is purely with CharacterStats.
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