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I am making changes to HWAC Stats based on suggestions by others and I have a few questions on how you all would like to see things work.
1) The first and biggest suggestion was to have a sort function by skill.
A) How should the skills be listed in the drop down window?
a) Alphabetical order.
b) group them by skill/attribute type?
ie Defence skills, Combat skills, Trade Skill, Magic Skills.
B) Should the skill level be listed in the window after you sort by it?
If yes,
a) should I put the skill in parenthesis next to the name?
b) should I add a column with the header being the skill name?
I am leaving the headers of each column as a sort option, and if you do click on them the new sort fields will update.
2) Do you think there should be a link to the characters allegiance tree from the list page?
3) I have added an option for the admin to change the default sort when you first enter the list page. Right now the options are by name or by level. Do you think anything else should be added as an option?
4) I will be adding total xp, unassigned xp, augmentations and some other items to the Character pages. I have to come up with a complete list.
Should things like Burden, Vitae, Skill Credits, and Server be listed on the character pages?
I added a search, for right now and it may stay this way depending on what people say it is a very simple search by character name. It is not case sensitive and the full name must be typed in. Let me know your thoughts on this..
I added the option to have the allegiance tree lines to be black or gray, this is also admin controlled. This is so you can see them if your background color hides the grey lines.
Here is a link to what I have so far.
http://www.tworocks.com/e107_plugins/hwac/samples/hwacstats1.php?
*Keep in mind this is my testing area, so if it does not work it just means I am testing things right now.
Thanks and Stay Safe
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1) The first and biggest suggestion was to have a sort function by skill.
A) How should the skills be listed in the drop down window?
a) Alphabetical order.
b) group them by skill/attribute type?
ie Defence skills, Combat skills, Trade Skill, Magic Skills.
-- My vote would be alphabetical, however grouping them would be very logical.
B) Should the skill level be listed in the window after you sort by it?
If yes,
a) should I put the skill in parenthesis next to the name?
b) should I add a column with the header being the skill name?
-- I would think a column.
2) Do you think there should be a link to the characters allegiance tree from the list page?
-- I wouldn't use it, but some in my allegiance probably would.
4) I will be adding total xp, unassigned xp, augmentations and some other items to the Character pages. I have to come up with a complete list.
Should things like Burden, Vitae, Skill Credits, and Server be listed on the character pages?
-- I'd consider a "More Details" link that opens a small window for those additional details.
I added a search, for right now and it may stay this way depending on what people say it is a very simple search by character name. It is not case sensitive and the full name must be typed in. Let me know your thoughts on this.
-- You might consider a partial name search for those that are looking for a character but don't know the correct spelling.
Another feature that would be cool to me is a character comparison (head-to-head type of thing). I'd like to see how my progress measures up to other characters.
It's looking pretty sweet so far Riaf, keep up the good work! 
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1) The first and biggest suggestion was to have a sort function by skill.
A) How should the skills be listed in the drop down window?
a) Alphabetical order.
b) group them by skill/attribute type?
ie Defence skills, Combat skills, Trade Skill, Magic Skills.
-- My vote would be alphabetical, however grouping them would be very logical.
----- I will code it so the Admin of the site can choose which he/she would like. 
-- You might consider a partial name search for those that are looking for a character but don't know the correct spelling.
----- Noted..
-- I'd consider a "More Details" link that opens a small window for those additional details.
----- I like this Idea..
Another feature that would be cool to me is a character comparison (head-to-head type of thing). I'd like to see how my progress measures up to other characters.
----- I love this idea, let me see what I can come up with.
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In the old MeginStats, being a competitive person, I was always interested in the attributes and skills of the other Sword characters in my guild, and how my character compared to them. I tryed to keep myself near the top of those lists!
I'll use this when that feature is added
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The attribute/skill list design makes me want to stab my eyes out.
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Yes the color scheme is painful but you got it. But we can control the colors on our own website.
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Chazcon is correct in that you control the colors by changing the style sheet (css).
At the end of the read me file there is a description of most of the tags.
This is an example of how you can make it look.
http://www.tworocks.com/e107_plugins/hwac/hwac.php?
If you need help matching it to your web site let me know on the www.tworocks.com forums and if/when I have time I would be more than happy to give you a hand in changing things to match you web site.
Laters and Stay Safe..
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I need some help to come up with a good way to pick the characters for comparison.
1)I could put a check box next to the names on the list page.
- I do not like this idea as it would make the list page a bit cluttered. (I like clean and neat pages), but this would be the easiest way of doing it.
2)Put a link to a new page with limited information on it.
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Name, Level, Skill Level based on the sort that the user picked, and a check box.
This new page would not have a search.
As far as the compare page:
1)I could list the attributes/skills side by side with the skills in alphabetical order and just put a tag next to the skills to indicate specialized, trained and untrained skills.
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2)List them as I do now but put one character per column, keeping in mind that one character may have different specialized skills than the other so some things will not line up side by side.
Let me know your thoughts.
Thanks..
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Hi Riaf,
For the comparison, I would consider putting it on the character details page instead and try one of these options:
1. Maybe at the top right it could say "Compare To:" with a drop down list of all the other characters available.
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2. A link that opens a small window with the same look and feel as your listing page, but with very limited info and the names are simply clickable to the comparison page.
With this method, or something along these lines, only one other character can be selected and you can exclude the current character from the comparison list.
As far as the comparison page, I think your second idea is the best solution for now. The amount of information you compare is probably not an issue if you keep the layout narrow and simply let it scroll down the page farther than the single character details page.
Hope this is helpful to you. 
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Remember:
KISS
Many times over-thinking a problem will cause you to go beyond your first 'take' on it, which is usually correct, and actually settle on a lesser solution.
I would just replicate what MeginStats did - you had it right in the previous example. Just a simple ranking by attribute or skill, a search feature, and links to navigate the allegiance tree.
I do not see the need for Buffed skills, I wouldn't count them as reliable information, as there are too many variables.
My 2 cents worth.
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Yeah, I agree with Chaz. Dump the buffed stats. And also, what does the column "Steps" represent?
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Thanks for the input ..
I also believe in the KISS method..
and yes I tend to over think things...
I think that is why I drive my wife crazy.. But who knows..
Anyways..
When you say dump the buffed skills am I correct in saying dump it in the sort function? or do you mean on the character stats page? or Both?
Sabian I like both of your ideas... I will most likely go with your second Idea because if you have 400 characters in your database that would be one very long drop down list.
I will be adding paging soon so the amount of characters will not be an issue.
Steps represents the number of times that skill has gone up..
Another thing to keep in mind I can make most things optional.
For instance I can make the sort by Buffed skill an option that the admin of the site can turn off or on..
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Yes, I would simply have the default details be only the information found in the attributes and skills section of the game UI. All other stats you want to include could then be, like you were thinking, admin controlled....such as buffed, steps, starting attributes, etc. Super clean and simple when first used, and the admin has all the options to push the limits after that. This would be perfect for when someone wraps their website's look and feel around your pages.
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^^ agreed
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Thank for the input once again..
Ok this is what I am going to do.....
Hopefully by the end of this week I will release the next generation of the server side code. It depends on how much time I have to work on this...
The changes that will be in this release are:
1)Sort functions. With Buffed skill search being an option that the admin can turn off and on.
2)Default sort will be admin controlled, by level or by name.
3)Search functions, with a partial name search.
4)Also admin controlled, the lines in the allegiance tree can be Black or Gray. This will just make it easier to fit things to your pages.
5)Add the character comparison code.
6)Add paging to the list. Admin controlled on how many characters display per page.
That will be most of the things that you are looking for...
Then I will make all of the admin controlled items changeable via a web page. Of course a valid user name password will need to be entered for access to this page.
These changes will require a change to the sql database so it makes sense to do them all at once.
Some of the things that will be added at this time is the ability to change the character page. IE the ability to add and remove columns, and anything else that I can think of or anything that you all can think of...
I will be adding the Augmentation information to the pages this is also a change to the tables, and this will require a change to the plug-in. So I will be asking you all once again if there is anything else that you think should be captured. So I can add them all at the same time..
Oh, if anyone has changed the css to fit there pages can you send me a link so I can see what it looks like. I ask because I think there may be one more tag that needs to be added. but I would like to see some examples first.....
Many thanks all.. Stay Safe..
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I'll be in-game either tonight or tomorrow and will take a good hard look and see if there is anything else folks might find useful on the webpage. Sounds like you have the bulk, if not all. I'll post back here if I can or cannot think of anything.
Good luck and happy page building.
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Couldn't think of anything else Riaf. Looks like you got it all to me.
Good Luck...
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Hmmm.. had no idea this was in progress. heh.. I've been hoping that someone would pick up a replacement for meginjarder, as it is outdated bloatware, that doesn't seem to be supported anymore. I'll definatly be checking this out, and seeing how it incorporates with our current website.
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so, I loaded up the server portion yesterday. Very simple. Anyone that has ftp access should be able to do it. Then after I got home, I loaded up the client. Again.. simple. There was no editing of xml files, like there was for Meginjarder.
I'll have to look through the database to see what all info is in there, and see how I can tidy up the webpage, cause right now, it's kinda "blah". I do like the way that Meginstats was laid out, and hope that I can do something similiar with it, and incorporate my Quest Timer database too.
One thing that I'm sure some people will have a problem with, is the ability to list all the charecters on a given charecter's account. Some people have "secret" charecters that they play and don't want anyone else to know about.
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One of my goals in making this is to keep it simple for people to use and to keep it simple for people to change as they wish.
I see no reason why you would not be able to make it look like you wish, and incorporating your Quest Timer database into the HWAC pages should be simple to do.
If I can make a suggestion.
I would wait until the next release of the server side code before making any major changes, I say this because in adding the sorting, searching and compare functionality I have decided to break things out into several php scripts. This will do several things for me/us, 1) make it easier to read the code, 2) make it easier for others to make changes to the code.
The only things that I have to finish is to add Paging to the list pages, go through all of the code to clean it up, add comments to it and document the changes. Once this is done then I will release the code to you all.
If the list of characters is an issue there are two ways I could fix this.
1) add a check box to the plug-in to not send this information to the database.
2) or make it admin controlled not to display this information.
I like the first as it gives the individual user the control if they want this information to be sent or not.
Thanks...
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Alrighty.. I'll wait. Over all.. it's a very good alternative to meginjarder. MJ was a good plugin, when it didn't crash AC every time you swap a charecter out (like I do all the time). Also, just like I offered to Mayor, any changes that I make to the web stuff, I'll offer too... not that I'm an awesome coder or anything.
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