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With LifeTankXI 11.7.0.1, admin detection will no longer be available. This means that no text output or sounds will trigger when an admin sends you a tell or appears on radar. In other words, there will be no output from the plugin what so ever when you are UCM tested by an admin.
In addition, we will be requiring all users to upgrade to the latest version of LifeTank. The Decal developers will disable all versions prior to 11.7.0.1, effective as of the September 2006 patch.
We realize that many of you may have liked this feature. However, after discussing this with Turbine, we feel that moving forward, the best option is to remove admin detection from the plugin. This lessens the plugins appeal for UCM combat, which is against the game's Code of Conduct. We realize that this will not stop players from using the plugin to UCM. However, this is not intended to be a UCM solution and both Turbine and the LifeTankXI Development Team were not happy with the previous state of the plugin. This change brings LifeTank more in line with the stated goal of being a combat aid and is our only planned change in this regard.
You can download the new release from http://lifetank.fissionweb.net//index.php?option=com_weblinks&catid=14&Itemid=23
C'relic has posted the release announcement.
Moving forward, many new features are in development! Here's a glimpse:
Auto Mana Stone Looting and Recharge
Users will be able to specify a mana stone type, and minimum mana on "charge" items. LifeTank will look for these items and pick them up, to a user-defined limit. When your items run low on mana, LifeTank will use a charged mana stone. If the stone breaks, it will look for more.
This was originally slated for this release, but last minute problems forced us to delay it for a future release. Expect it in the next version. 
Dungeon Spot Setup
Players will be able to specify "dungeon spots" (i.e., Egg Room) which will help players find these locations. An arrow with the spot name will appear at the specified location, so players can set up properly. Movement will not be automated.
This is progressing nicely, and should be in the next version.
Buffing Improvements
Many people have asked for a "smater" buffing system, with buff time detection and multiple weapon buffs. This is something we plan on doing, and expect to have completed in a future release.
Thank you,
Paraduck, C'relic, and Replex of MT
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This is why Turbines motto is exploit early, exploit often. If you didn't cheat in the past, its impossible to catch up now. Even the player base is going by the same motto now.
I really don't care about this for myself, as everyone knows I have played only El-Diablo for many years.
But it sucks that the ability to UCM is being taken away from future users. That means there will be no more high levels being created as rapidly. This means less competition for myself.
This is helping ruin the game because new characters will not be created and leveled. Sure, more valid characters will be created, but who will care when the game is dead due to nobody playing?
Let me explain further...
I know you people who hug the CoC daily won't understand what I am saying. You'll curse me out and call me a cheater despite the fact I mentioned I no longer have use for UCM. But, try to understand this: if new characters are not entering the game, and old characters are quitting, EVENTUALLY THERE WILL BE NO ONE LEFT. It's like a leak in a tub. What will happen eventually?
Now if you can understand that point... understand that Lifetank and UCMing creates new character flow. It is what helps maintain this game.
This game is going to slowly die off completely when people stop creating characters.
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The real solution to "catching up" should be vastly increasing quest XP rewards, as Gouru has suggested. Allowing people to break the CoC very easily isn't a good solution. No matter how much it's posted about, allowing UCM isn't going to magically increase the number of players in the game, or keep people playing it.
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"Auto Mana Stone Looting and Recharge
Users will be able to specify a mana stone type, and minimum mana on "charge" items. LifeTank will look for these items and pick them up, to a user-defined limit. When your items run low on mana, LifeTank will use a charged mana stone. If the stone breaks, it will look for more.
This was originally slated for this release, but last minute problems forced us to delay it for a future release. Expect it in the next version."
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wait.... so you are promoting this illegal plugin but tampering with it so that it will make it much easier for the users of this plugin (which you're promoting) to get caught/banned?
Until Turbine says that LifeTank is not allowed, it still is a legal plugin. If you want to call what we did tampering, that's certainly your choice. We (the plugin devs) nor Turbine see it as such. Rather, we see it brought more in line with the game's CoC. Naturally, there are limits as to what we can do, which is why you will never see an "idle timer" or the like. As I said, this is our only change in this manner that we will be making. I'm not saying that it's perfectly in line with the CoC, but it's much more reasonable and acceptable than it was previously.
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So now that you've UCMed your way to 275 you don't want anyone else UCMing and having the same benefits as you?
Very thoughtful.
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Do not make this discussion personal.
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They want Dters to quit,their trying to make it so they can tend to the cearbear worlds.
Read his sig =p
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If they expect people to sit there behind their computer and level characters from 1-275 manually hunting, they're effing tards.
They OBVIOUSLY want this game to die and don't want anyone new to start playing.
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just kill lifetank altogether if u care anything about asheron's call.
yes it might make Turbine's giggle, but all ur really doing is choking out everybody except the level 200+ playerbase.
stop fluctuating between following the CoC and allowing people to illegally use ur plugin; make a real decision, either give the players everything they want or comply 100% with turbine
And I dunno where you have been, but Turbine doesn't care anything about their CoC as a set of rules; the envoys just like banning ppl
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"So now that you've UCMed your way to 275 you don't want anyone else UCMing and having the same benefits as you?
Very thoughtful."
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Can't believe they can offord to even staff admins lol
Also what Grim said basically sums it up.
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Contrary to what seems to be the popular belief here, I did not UCM my way to 275. :>
I'm willing to discuss the actual motivitates and effects of this, but I'm not going to be responding to any other personal comments about me. Let's keep it civil and grown up, please.
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I think a lot people will get rid of accounts, not saying quit, saying people paying for 5+ accounts might now only pay for 1. I think in the long run this will hurt the game.
This should have been done years ago, rather than now.
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That's fine you don't have to listen to other people's comments regarding your sudden change of heart. Just be aware that a lot of these people tend to be a major supporter of what you guys did and now you just stripped it away from them. You can't tell me you wouldn't feel cheated in any shape or form if that happened to you. And that is true as well that now that you are 275 you have no need to advance past everyone else.
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cool, guess i'll run one more plugin that does what ltx used to do then.
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1) who cares what Turbine thinks about plugins the player base develops -- 90% of what has been created could have been built directly into the client with ease and made the game more popular
2) while your idea is noble (I guess) you know as well as anyone that it will be fairly easy to create an add-on admin detect and everyone will have it within days, so ultimately what was the point
3) whether Turbine likes it or not UCM locations is one of very few things that DTers have to fight over -- its unfortunate that this has not been addressed but its been almost, what, 3-4 yrs since we have had something to fight over?
I think it is great that you are moving this plug-in along, I just wish that Turbine ummm...had a shorter list of priorities so some of the DT issues were addressed? hrm that safe?
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If you didn't UCM to 275 then multiple people under you did.
Either that or you have not left the computer for the past 7 months, literally.
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just say it how it is. you wish turbine would stop screwing over dt. well don't worry, we'll get another health quest and damage upgrade in no time.
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> so ultimately what was the point
The point is the integrity of the plugin, Taker.
> whether Turbine likes it or not UCM locations is one of very few things that DTers have to fight over -- its unfortunate that this has not been addressed but its been almost, what, 3-4 yrs since we have had something to fight over?
I'm very sympathetic of your problems. I play on DT sometimes, too. (Obviously, not as Paraduck. =P) However, I'd prefer to see a full solution, which is one that I've constantly been asking for. Rumor has it from PAX, though, that there will be some red PK improvements, such as red PKs dropping hookable trophies (i.e, Head of Underworld-Dreams.) I know it's not something to really fight over, but it's a start.
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I think you have lost all integrity. Don't tell me you guys didn't put out that plugin so that it would be carebear enough for everyone to use legitimately. I think once Elgar fell into that mentality your team basically took over and for some reason now your feeling the same pressure as he did. But that was how long ago when he did that. The game has died you can admit to that. This plugin has created a little bit of hope for the survival of the game and I would be willing to bet if this plugin goes in the can like Eltank did, you'll see it die even more.
Not that there aren't enough carebear people who have their particulair reasons for not using it but because a majority of people on all servers UCM to a point or degree.
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Paraduck: "The real solution to "catching up" should be vastly increasing quest XP rewards"
And the only remedy to that supposed solution until it is implemented is UCMing. The coders should have stood by the players and let them UCM until Turbine remedied the problem by adding quests which took the tedium out of leveling. They could have used allowing admin alert as leverage with Turbine or at the very least a holdout. At least UCMing was a way for players who wanted to level quickly get by, now we can do nothing but complain on deaf ears and blind eyes to Turbine. What El-Diablo said is true, without a means to more easily level and "catch up" to all the 200+ chars now, there really will be a negative impact on the amount of new players joining and old players returning. The motto for Turbine holds true, "Exploit early and often".
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I'm a huge supporter of Orion's belief on how players should play the game -- in short, people should play the game in a manner that makes them happy. There's no one play style that's above any other.
Of course, Turbine does not support all play styles, one example being UCM. However, no change was made to prevent UCM. We don't advocate or support it, but the option is still there, and you're left to deal with whatever consequences come from your decisions. LT will no longer "save" you (or help save.)
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My 2cents...
Para, do you honestly believe that Turbine cares about UCM? I don't know what server you regularly play in, but if you were to visit Any EO everyday for 1 week, you'll see how much Turbine cares. I think I've seen Admins in Eo 4 times since February (when I first hunted there, with LTx).
Besides, why is a 3rd party app working with Turbine?
On a different note, for those who think this change to LTxi will actually do anything... errrr there's hadly been anything to detect before... so what if the detector is gone 
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Agent-G, Turbine said that this is something they'll look at once the arc has ended. This appears to be the last month of the arc, so I'm hopeful that we'll start seeing these changes soon.
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> Para, do you honestly believe that Turbine cares about UCM?
Yes, I do. If they didn't, we never would have discussed this with them. Frelorn has also posted that they will be boosting in-game support. And Envoys still do UCM checks. A friend was checked a few days ago in Ayabar's Laboratory.
> Besides, why is a 3rd party app working with Turbine?
Because we respect the game's rules, as well as the Decal developers'.
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I've said my piece. Any developers out there should probably take this as a sign to start working on admin detection until Turbine comes up with a better solution to the UCM problem that they so view it as. They have had over 5 years to figure this out and have failed at doing such and have only lost in #'s because of what they haven't done.
I am somewhat of a believer in you shouldn't have to leave your computer to play a game but the way this game's concept is, is a little asinine, and the only real solution is to develop it more like WoW with the quests as being a major portion for leveling.
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hey, the head of underworld-dreams is impossible because that account was perma banned for duping =P
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hey, the head of underworld-dreams is impossible because that account was perma banned for duping =P
You get the idea, though.
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Contrary to what seems to be the popular belief here, I did not UCM my way to 275. :>
He just had 12 vassals that UCMed him to 275
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I don't know if anyone noticed... or read past the first mention of the words removing and UCM, but it's the same program minus the admin alarm. You can still UCM you hearts out, there'll just be some more risk that you may be caught.
Part of UCMing should be the knowledge that you're risking something. You're breaking the rules. If you think it's worth the risk, as many did before, then take it and see what happens.
Kind of sad that so many people think that the GAME is all about UCM. What are you UCMing for btw? If your game plays itself all day long and you hit 275, then what are you going to do?
If you're 200+ you're pretty much set for life in AC. I'm 187 and there's not a single creature I can't take down (except for ones that are group only of course)
There are risks to breaking the rules now you are just more likely to have to live with them.
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I dont know if you noticed Brian (understandable that you might not have) but the biggest majority of the people with an issue that are posting here play Darktide. What there is to do after we've let the game play itself is kill eachother.
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"I don't know if anyone noticed... or read past the first mention of the words removing and UCM, but it's the same program minus the admin alarm. You can still UCM you hearts out, there'll just be some more risk that you may be caught. "
Exactly
> Para, do you honestly believe that Turbine cares about UCM?
Yes, I do. If they didn't, we never would have discussed this with them. Frelorn has also posted that they will be boosting in-game support. And Envoys still do UCM checks. A friend was checked a few days ago in Ayabar's Laboratory.
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Now i will put my 2 cents in it. this is suspose to be a role playing game were paying to play with people. I have levled Kriket by hand only used life tank to buff because i dont trust ACM with liketank with a melee. I mean i have fun hunting with her and knowing when I level that I have accomplished comething bymyself without any help froma plugin, (if that makes sence). If everyone would listen to para you can still UCM there just not supporting the admin detection. SO it is PLAY AT YOUR OWN RISK, If you get caught you get caught. I dont know why everyone wants to complain. THere actaully making the plugin better imo. And i dont think this will make people quit you will just have to be carful if you UCM. That is all!
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I don't know if anyone noticed... or read past the first mention of the words removing and UCM, but it's the same program minus the admin alarm. You can still UCM you hearts out, there'll just be some more risk that you may be caught.
Thank you! :P
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I dont know if you noticed Brian (understandable that you might not have) but the biggest majority of the people with an issue that are posting here play Darktide. What there is to do after we've let the game play itself is kill eachother.
200+ and it's easy enough to kill eachother.
I don't play on DT personally but I know many who do and I do visit sometimes. Plenty of people who are not 275 do great in PvP.
You can macro ACM (Attended Combat Macro) up to 150, 180, 200 quickly enough. It's just the last 50 or so that require the long hours that attract many to UCMing.
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paraduck and c'relic or whatever didnt have to do it though, it wont change anything. i think its dumb though that they're attempting to make it look like they're doing everything turbine wants them to... when in fact 3rd party apps themselves shouldn't/didn't used to be allowed
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I saw this coming the day you took over the plugin. You should have done it to begin with, the same day you released the first updated version. As it stands now you’re just a joke that decided to remove it after supporting releases with it included. One more plugin to run for people who need to catch up and don't want to pretend they are anti ucm while already having a 275. I'm glad I used the real version of lifetank to UCM to 275 instead of "your" version.
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iampk they are trying to change the plugin and make it better and up to the coc with turbine. You can still UCM but everyone will be risking it, there is just no admin detection that is all.
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when in fact 3rd party apps themselves shouldn't/didn't used to be allowed
To the best of my understanding and memory there was never a time when 3rd party apps were not allowed. There was a time when there was no official stance on them, but as far as I know it's never been illegal.
Since I hunt mainly for loot 3rd party programs have been a saviour in the past. Programs like BS allowed me to quickly scan for the items I was looking for all at once without needing to ID and read every item always fearing that I'd have skimmed over something that was good. Of course I'd still stop to ID items that looked cool to see if they were useable but not in my detection rules and I'd also take time to examine anything good I did find to see what the exact stats were and what it looked like, but they've saved me a lot of time and frustration.
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then u seriously haven't played on dt past level 60. the places where u can get the xp to get to 200 fast are heavily raided. u'll seriously be lucky to get an hour of 'peaceful' leveling before having to deatl with someone who wants to wtf pwn u. and most times it's not just one person. Of course if you can handle 'em u can continue, but many times they gonna come at you 3+v1. if u recall out they camp drop, if u die... well they'll still be waiting for you.
point is, it is NOT that easy to get to 200 on DT.
UCMing the weee hours for a couple of hours is prolly the only time you'll be able to really level. and those generally tend to be sleeping hours.
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Perhaps PK trophies will be able to be handed in for XP? I always thought that killing people should be a viable way to level up, but obviously it needs some new tech to be handled in a way that's not exploitable. But, that's another topic.
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iampk they are trying to change the plugin and make it better and up to the coc with turbine. You can still UCM but everyone will be risking it, there is just no admin detection that is all.
from this they obviously KNOW that their plugin will be used for UCM. If they want to comply with the CoC this plugin should've never been created in the first place. Same goes for Eltank.
This whole [Edit: Profanity] over, "what people do with our plugin is their choice" is [Edit: Profanity]. If it was they would leave admin detect in and let the players deal with the admins.
This is seriously a half-hearted reason. maybe paraduck has been threatened with losing his acvault admin priviledges. Whatever the reason, his reasoning does not match up with his actions.
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I don't get why people are crying about the alert....I've never used it and do just fine *shrug*
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„« "Besides, why is a 3rd party app working with Turbine? "
Because we respect the game's rules, as well as the Decal developers'.
You respect them now? But not before? You clearly didn't respect them from the time you took over until this point. That's hypocrisy.
"Perhaps PK trophies will be able to be handed in for XP? I always thought that killing people should be a viable way to level up, but obviously it needs some new tech to be handled in a way that's not exploitable. But, that's another topic. "
Yeah that's a great idea, make it so the already powerful (180+ characters) will get even more xp, and separating the gap between high levels and low level characters (which can in no way compete let alone get a kill) even further. Brilliant.
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"Contrary to what seems to be the popular belief here, I did not UCM my way to 275. :>
He just had 12 vassals that UCMed him to 275 "
This is soo true.
You know its impossible to be 275 without supporting UCMing in the past.
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" The real solution to "catching up" should be vastly increasing quest XP rewards, as Gouru has suggested. Allowing people to break the CoC very easily isn't a good solution. No matter how much it's posted about.."
Turbine will not follow through with any of this.
The bad solution is currently what is keeping this game flowing with new players.
"allowing UCM isn't going to magically increase the number of players in the game, or keep people playing it"
Putting "magic" in here does not humorously prove yourself true. There is no magic to it. You as well as everyone else here knows that a large majority of the playerbase keeps their accounts active for the sole purpose of UCMing. You also know that new players HAD the ability to start playing yesterday and UCM their way within a couple weeks to the rest of the player base. They no longer have this opportunity.
You need to realize Turbine and Asheron's Call have been on a downslope for the past several years due to bad decisions. The playerbase has been killed by the new developers.
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The funny part is that a DT player is crying how harshing DT is after level 60 and he cant survive the ganking in dungeons. With LTx and admin detection he is well setup'd, happy like a cookie and will never die again...
Is it only me who dont understand that argument ???
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> You respect them now? But not before? You clearly didn't respect them from the time you took over until this point. That's hypocrisy.
I'll admit the response wasn't immediate. However, we also wanted to do this with the authorization server, which took us a lot of time to build and test. In fact, there are multiple servers, which are used as fallbacks in case the primary one fails. When Alpha 7 broke compatibility, we didn't want to leave the community without a plugin, and to be quite honest, we wanted to make sure we filled the void Xeon created. So we had to release without these changes. In addition, please keep in mind that this is something we do in our spare time, and not for a living.
> make it so the already powerful (180+ characters) will get even more xp, and separating the gap between high levels and low level characters (which can in no way compete let alone get a kill) even further. Brilliant
If you want to discuss this, let's move it to another thread on the Turbine forums or the AC General board.
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lol if nothing else, this is good 'advertising' for the new release of LtX
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I skimmed this real quick, but I know someone said since Para "ucmed" his way to 275 and now he's taking it away from everyone else.
Lets get one thing straight: There are 3 developers of Lifetank now. I am the first, and brought Para in soon after. I do not have a level 275 toon, nor does Replex.... So why would we remove this to punish everyone else?
This wasn't done overnight. It has taken a very long time to write, implement, and test all of the version checks and fixing what the removal of these features broke.
I hope it become apparent to everyone on their home servers... everyone who is very angry at us right now are those who openly cheat at the game and are mad because that tool has taken it away from them. It's too late to defend yourselves against that now.
When I have more time to read, I will respond but for now.......
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"I hope it become apparent to everyone on their home servers... everyone who is very angry at us right now are those who openly cheat at the game and are mad because that tool has taken it away from them. It's too late to defend yourselves against that now."
Well I am not one of these since I have played since 2000 (with some breaks) and my highest character is level 85 (yes highest character of all my 4 accounts), of which I leveled all on my own.
"Make it so the already powerful (180+ characters) will get even more xp, and separating the gap between high levels and low level characters (which can in no way compete let alone get a kill) even further. Brilliant
If you want to discuss this, let's move it to another thread on the Turbine forums or the AC General board. "
Well you're the one who wrote two responses about it. and no I don't want to discuss it, there's really nothing to discuss here.
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"I hope it become apparent to everyone on their home servers... everyone who is very angry at us right now are those who openly cheat at the game and are mad because that tool has taken it away from them. It's too late to defend yourselves against that now."
I am level 223 and have been so for 3 years. I have not macroed in 3 years. I haven't even macroed LOOT in 3 years.
If you don't believe me, ask ANYONE on DT what I wear.. thats right GSC.
I wear GSC because I absolutely never hunt. I always PK and therefore do not have any wealth in AC.
So why do I dissaprove of this move? Probably because there will not be anyone left to PK.
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nm don't want to get into it
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You aren't going to hurt my feelings. And if you don't care about this being removed... why are you fighting us about it?
Bring it on IMO. All you're going to do is show everyone how you can't play AC without cheating the admins. Didn't it ever occur to anyone UCM checks haven't been happening because they aren't really UCM checking? All they're doing is waking people up. With this done, I'd bet there will be ALOT more tests from hereon out.
Turbine gave or offered us nothing. They asked, told us they wanted to reach out to the playerbase, that they wanted to enforce the rules... they asked, we answered.
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Umm.. how about the fact that it's against the Asheron's Call Code of Conduct which you agree to every time you sign into Asheron's Call.
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// The point is the integrity of the plugin, Taker.
you have ruined the integrity of the lifetank name.
If you wanted to work on a plugin to not ucm why didn't you start with a crappy plugin for ucming like elgars.
Anyways, will see someone release a non crippled version or just use a stand alone. Hope you feel warm and fuzzy.
If there are no new alternatives people will just quit. congrats.
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Its OK. Let them try. They'll be better off writing a standalone detection plugin. The old source is way past broke, the new Decal will keep putting nails in the coffin.
And as for the integrity of the Lifetank name: It still stands. We have received the full support of the past authors in this matter, and frankly, I don't care what most anyone has to say about the matter. We felt it was time to stop supporting blatant breaking of the CoC that everyone agreed to follow, and with Turbine's support we did. I'm sorry we care about following the rules of this game more than some of you here. If you want to break rules or cheat, goto WoW or something...
To put it simply, if you don't like it then don't use it and stop spamming up my thread with your useless crap. You can break the rules with the old version until Decal forces the update.
Until then, good luck on not getting banned.
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Last i checked it isn't hard to open up ac tool and write a few line script to set off an alert on admin tells. although it isn't as fast as detecting an admin on radar or w/e, it gets the job done.
It's only time before an ltxi helper program with admin detection alert is made.
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well wasnt it stated by the original dev of lifetank that he wanted whoever took over LT to host the source code.
why havent you hosted it ?
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it was stated that it was a plugin built for ucm.
I doubt you phoned spk in france and asked for his blessing to remove admin alert.
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It's a good move. But it still doesn't stop anyone from creating their own alarm or even decompiling the last build of life tank and getting the code themselves.
I wish Turbine would either be flat out against it, or flat out for it. Enough of this fence crap. I used to macro the tuskers camp long ago. I used to macro in the OP when it was the bomb xp back in the day. But you know what? I never, ever, ran across another soul and I never, ever, disrupted anyone else gameplay doing it.
If you ask me, [and nobody did ], Turbine needs to throw down the gaunlet and stick with it.
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Spk has posted around a few times with Praise... and I've spoken with Xeon many times about this with his support as well...
And when Spk spoke to us about it, there was never a mention about the source. That subject has been beat to death, and there won't be a change. Our source is not and will never be (for awhile anyway) accessable to anyone over the internet for download. So stop asking, and stop trying the guilt card.
I don't care who said Lifetank was built soley for UCM... Even ElTank can be used for UCM. The plugin hasn't changed a bit. The only people who are pissed off are those who are intentionally trying to hide from the admins for the sole purpose of evading a ban...
Those people no longer support LifeTank, those same people have also shown their support for someone keeping Lifetank alive FREE OF CHARGE (which, he did ask for).
So, too bad, no more hiding from admins. What ever shall you do now? Maybe *PLAY* the game for once?
Now it's all up to Turbine and Decal to enforce their own rules. They'll have alot of help, I'm sure.
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// So, too bad, no more hiding from admins. What ever shall you do now? Maybe *PLAY* the game for once?
why would I be using a macro plugin for *PLAY*ing the game? It's for getting out of the repetative parts that otherwise would make the game not worth playing at all.
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Last I checked, that still worked.......
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If you ask me, [and nobody did ], Turbine needs to throw down the gaunlet and stick with it.
This announcement came out with Turbine's blessing. They allowed their name to be used, and wanted Admin Alarms removed. I think this is a VERY clear stand by them on the issue of UCM. Attending an admin alarm is NOT attended play. Those that resort to those alarms are NOT attended, and are in violation of the CoC.
As others have stated, testing for UCM is difficult as admin alarms defeat the tests and basically do nothing more than wake up the cheaters. The only further thing I would like to see is the use of admin alarms banned in the CoC, at which point a) discussion of same would no longer be allowed on the major boards and b) Decal devs could take steps to stop them.
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"The only people who are pissed off are those who are intentionally trying to hide from the admins for the sole purpose of evading a ban... "
I don't know if you can't read a single post I have said but I am upset about this and I do not UCM and have not needed to for years.
Summarized: I am upset because without others using Lifetank, new players will not be able to catch up.
Believe it or not, even today, people are slowly comming back or joining Asheron's Call. You see daily posts about "Is AC worth comming back to?" and a majority of these people do come back.
I guess none of what I say matters anyways. It's not going to get changed back anymore. The new players comming are screwed until a Admin Alarm plugin is written.
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I think its rather sad to say removing a *admin alarm* kills the plugin (which I actually don't use btw) and/or the game. You can still ACM if you so choose. If you need an admin alarm then you most likely aren't playing the game in the first place so oh well.
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I just wanted to state for the record that I 100% support Crelic's decision to modify LifeTank as he sees fit. He's got the chops to take the code and make it work, which means he gets to do whatever the hell he pleases with it.
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heh u guys should pull the Swordz/Spk Card and make it private again. spoiled brats whining about alarms.
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Hey Paraduck, [Edit: Personal Attack]
Simple solution to this, add in code so the admin features still work on Darktide.
This is possible I know for sure because programs such as the blood plugin bloodthirst only activated for the blood guild on darktide. I don't code but I was told that's how it worked.
So, stop [Edit: Personal Attack] & satisfy the needs / wants of DTers.
I know you won't do this [Edit: Personal Attack] so I can end this with I told you so.
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"This is possible I know for sure because programs such as the blood plugin bloodthirst only activated for the blood guild on darktide. I don't code but I was told that's how it worked."
stupidest comment on this post by far. do you even understand why they removed it, or did u read at all? what a donkey. You didn't pwn anyone but your butthole.
For the rest of you that think Para and C'relic are killing the game... you guys are stupid too. You guys are resting the Fate of the game on these 2 players? Idiots....
EDIT: You even rephrased what I said RIGHT BEFORE your post. what an idiot.
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The comment that you cannot have a level 275 character without having supported UCM in the past? Blatantly untrue. My 3 most active directs decided that I was to be 275 ... and they proceeded to work to make it happen. They did NOT UCM ... and anyone who knows me is VERY much aware of my feelings regarding UCM activities.
You cannot create a new character and catch up? Again, blatantly untrue. I have a UA character that approximately 3 months ago was level 30ish. She now is 121. How? Sure as hell wasn't with UCM - I know where to hunt and HOW to hunt. And most of my hunting has NOT been done in fellows in dungeons. Have I devoted hours and hours daily to her? Nope - I sure have not!
Contrary to popular opinion, being in another room watching television while your computer plays for you is NOT attended. Sleeping in the same room while your computer plays for you is NOT attended. Both instances are UNattended ... because you ain't sittin' at the keyboard able to respond. (And yes, grammar police, that WAS deliberate!)
The Code of Conduct in Asheron's call changed when Turbine bought their game BACK from Microsoft. To any of you who have rented a home of any sort that underwent a landlord change, you know that leases or understandings can be tossed out the window, with the new owner putting their OWN "rules" into play upon their possession of the property. Yes, Microsoft used to allow UCM. Yes, originally ElTank WAS designed to allow mages to hunt on the obsidian plains ALL NIGHT if they so desired. And yes, when Turbine took the game back, changed the CoC, and stated UCM was no longer acceptable, Elgar put in the "5 minute rule". My question to you folks complaining that your detection is gone and you may get caught cheating is: Do you routinely feel free to break rules for things in real life as well? And if you do, are there not consequences to getting caught?
All of you complaining sound very very much like the kid who got caught stealing cookies. He's not sorry he STOLE them, he's just damned sorry he got caught. XP is very simple to come by gang ... my little UA girl is living proof. One of the things I used to MOST enjoy about fellowship hunting was the conversation, something sadly missing any more since most fellows are UCM now and don't talk at all. And for you DT folks? I recall many of you saying in the past, you did not NEED Admins to check out dungeons, you all had your OWN methods of policing ... so if you can police your dungeons and such yourselves, why do you need Admin detection?
Paraduck, if you want people to take you seriously - put your post count back to what it TRULY is ... we're honestly not impressed, and it DOES make you look like a giant hypocrite. CR, you knew you were going to take heat for this change, just make sure you don't find yourself slipping into anger and shooting back at those who complain. You've done what you could to try to make the plugin "live" within the constraints of the CoC. Now my challenge would be to the Decal Devs to make Decal itself unfriendly to plugins that deliberately flaunt the CoC as well.
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<< Perhaps PK trophies will be able to be handed in for XP? >>
Would be exploited to the hilt.
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I started a new swordie and within 3 days I had him up to 85. no UCM/ACM. Yes, was on a carebear server.. but wether you play with ucm for 30 hours straight or you play the game for 3 days at 10 hours a day.. you'll get there.
Also, you should thank them. No longer will you get woke up in the middle of the night, due to an admin alarm. You can sleep soundly. As someone else stated.. they did not remove the ability to UCM.
Since when has the lack of an admin alarm kept someone from leveling?
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Thanks for the support everyone. We anticipated a riot of people to break out and be angry with us, but thats fine. Like I've said (and others have too) before, unless you have some reason for evading an admin, the plugin still works 100% as it did before.
So, let people write their admin detection. Again, it isn't that difficult, but that would be against Decal's CoE so good luck with that.
Thanks everyone!
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Excellent!
I hope Turbine will work with you guys to make Admin Alarms against the COC. Great job.
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You guys need to remove the Lifetank name and call it "Egg Orchard start Button". As I stated before all the crap you added was pointless and not needed. Looks to me that it is being turning into EL tank just as I said.
Cez I pretty sure Spk could carless(I could be wrong) ,XeonX doesn't. Both have not played in a long and prob won't come back.
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Alright, I've read every comment here... here are my replies to the ones that have stood out.
unbelievr: You seem lost. We didn't write Lifetank, nor were we the ones who wrote in the detection methods. The previous developers have left AC and passed the "torch" on, so to say, are we are now those torch holders. This had nothing to do with donations or lack thereof, as we have refused donations from day 1. I have placed ads on the main website to help pay for bandwidth usage but that is about it... Also, another Lifetank? Ah, no. That post is like 3 months old, and that guy decided to never start his so called "development". Next time, pay attention to dates and try reading the facts before posting again.
Diablo: If you don't UCM, then what is your damage? (well, besides the obvious fact of being idiotized by DT). Your arguments sound like you're defending a "friend" from something because you're too ashamed to tell everyone it's really you who can't play without admin detection. As far as PK goes, I believe the opposite; People may be less inclined to UCM, so I think they'll go out and kill eachother... or quit AC altogether because they couldn't play the game to start with.
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I know this change to Lifetank is generating some really heated replies. Watch your language and stay within the Vault rules. I've asked for a moderator to come and review what has been said.
Now if I could just stop fizzling on the 'Summon Moderator' spell...
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Here Here Ashake.
Couldn't have said it any better myself.. especially without being flamed... so good job! *grins*
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Yula and Draiker:
Thanks. Yula, I've already contacted a few moderators to lend a hand... I appreciate you and others who see the need for some assistance.
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Thanks for the support!
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Well on the plus side, atleast we will be that much closer to server merges.
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OMFG, you guys are just bitching at Paraduck because a detect feature was removed, which gave you the 'illusion' of feeling free to break the CoC by UCMing. The plugin isn't illegal, it's a perfectly fine plugin as long as you are there babysitting your character.
You guys are so freaking lazy to level a character, then maybe you should get out more.
God, I can't believe I am seeing you people bitch about one little change. Then some of you attack him personally, because you can't think up any other excuse to bitch.
Grow the masked profanity up.
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"You guys are so freaking lazy to level a character, then maybe you should get out more."
^read that again smart guy. i leveled my guys while i was getting out more.
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The real solution to "catching up" should be vastly increasing quest XP rewards, as Gouru has suggested.
*cough* I've suggested it too *cough*
But it won't happen, not for a good long time. Heck, Turbine isn't even mentioning it on their "Things to do list" on the LttP, so the odds of them actually working on it without "trumpetting their own horn" are slim. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. That would be AWESOME news to the playing community and get people psyched, so I see no good reason not to mention that they are at least looking at doing it months down the road.
IMO, Turbine has adopted a "deadly stance". They set up a system where it takes hundreds of millions of XPs to move a skill or stat ONE point, and several BILLION XPs to make ONE level, and do not have a system for advancing through questing. Sure they hand out a few million here, and a few million there, but let's get real, aside from a handful of quests that are able to be done once every 1 or 3 months or ONCE, the ones that are out there give "chump change" for XPs, and when you have pathetically thin patches as far as content go, that makes for a lower player base. So what is a player who wants to advance their character of 3+ years to do? Macro.
Basically Turbine should either adopt a "You can UCM here, but not here." stance, or make it so you can REALISTICALLY advance via questing. Noing NEITHER will only cause long time subscribers to do what I've done ... unsubscribe ALL accounts and take my money to another game company that "has a plan and is actually implementing it".
I personally don't think it was wrong of Paraduck or anyone else to remove "feature x" from their plugin. Turbine asked and they made a choice. It's not like they were bribed by some third party group, this came from Turbine. Personally, I wish there was no need for LTx, or even Decal for that matter. I wish Turbine would do what they should have done YEARS ago, and made an in game macro system to remove the mind numbing tasks of clapping your hands together, yet didn't allow you to kill monsters while you slept. If they had done that, then we wouldn't be in this mess we are now, and Turbine could have told ALL Third Party Developers to "step off" and the game would have remained "pure". But Turbine failed, and out of need, Decal and other TPAs came into being. Likewise, Combat Macros came into being. Sure that may not be what the current crop of Decal Devs think should be done, but people don't UCM for the "joy of it", they do it out of need (or greed, but that is another story, and another failure of Turbine).
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I believe leveling quests will be coming a lot sooner than most people think. It was for me a major topic of discussion with Frelorn at PAX.
IMHO, we will see them at lower levels first. There ARE a lot of new subscriptions being added, new players ARE joining the game regularly. There was a LOT of interest in AC at the booth at PAX and literally hundreds of games given to people that wanted to try it.
Providing alternative methods to leveling is an idea whose time is come, one that has credibility with the current team and one I think we can expect to see happen in relatively short time.
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funny thing is that you guys
do the spies plug in
which also has admin detect will you be removing it on this plug in also?
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which also has admin detect will you be removing it on this plug in also?
It's important to note that Replex maintains Spies, not myself or C'relic. It is something that we have talked about, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it removed in a future release. But it's his plugin. It's also important to note that Spies doesn't have a constant admin alert alarm like LT -- just a short, few second detection sound. The same thing could be accomplished in other plugins if you put "Envoy" in there. I'll follow up with Replex again on this, since it does have a dedicated admin option.
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I believe leveling quests will be coming a lot sooner than most people think. It was for me a major topic of discussion with Frelorn at PAX.
IMHO, we will see them at lower levels first. There ARE a lot of new subscriptions being added, new players ARE joining the game regularly. There was a LOT of interest in AC at the booth at PAX and literally hundreds of games given to people that wanted to try it.
Providing alternative methods to leveling is an idea whose time is come, one that has credibility with the current team and one I think we can expect to see happen in relatively short time.
Yeah, that idea has come ... about 22 years ago when I played other games. It may be time for Turbine to get off their dead butts and FINALLY implement it.
I hope they do, it very well may get me back to playing again. God knows the other elements that other games that they are ripping off (ie Pets) isn't. But who knows when they will be able to do it. I mean Frelorn is on the boards asking "What kind of masks we want", as if that is supposed to be "content".
As petty as this sounds, it was because of Frelorn asking that stupid question, that broke my back and directly cause me to unsub my accounts. Turbine is worrying about "holiday masks" when they have MAJOR GAME MECHANIC PROBLEMS starring them in the face. Talk about not seeing the forrest through the trees.
Well, unless Turbine has hired about 5 or 6 Devs and about that many or double +Envoys, I wouldn't expect to see a major redo of "Questing for XPs" and doing what is needed to kill off UCMing (ie +Envoys doing sweeps and bans that STICK), I wouldn't look for it any time soon.
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Last time I checked, there were no graphic MORPGs 22 years ago. Straight line RPGs with an 'ending' do have a quest line you could follow to the end. MORPGs don't have an 'end', and the genre has been evolving.
Holiday masks are a Festivus tradition going way back, and a proper part of this season. AC is a world, not a game. Maintaining the story line and traditions of the world are as important to the game as adding new dungeons.
You like to use inflammatory words like 'rip off', completely ignoring the fact that these are things players have been asking for for years. It is much more telling to me that Turbine is spending the time and money to evolve AC as new techniques and dynamics are discovered. Turbine has been the innovator in a LOT of areas, they don't need to be one in every area.
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This thread just reminds me to send a Thankyou Note to turbine for creating DT. It seems like almost all of the exploiting, griefing, whining, UCMing idiots out there are attracted to that server to be with others of their kind... leaving those of us who would like to play the game as the developers intended, with servers of our own. If someone created a game called Script 'n Kill it would be like crack to these people. Well, maybe not...they wouldnt have a way to cheat themselves into an advantage. IRC used to be the domain for this, but I guess most of these guys dont have the talent to actually write scripts, and have to UCM the places real players hunt to get their jollies.
I commend the LT developers for at least taking the icing off this cake.
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After talking with Replex, Spies is being removed until we address the admin detection issue.
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Spies will have its admin detection functionality crippled. I will be removing the sound alert when an admin is detected, but leaving in the text output. That way the only way they will see the alert is if they are infact at the PC, e.g.: Not UCMing. Users of spies will now only see [Spies] Detected Admin: Grael. for instance, in chat.
This change will be released in the next version, due out within 2 weeks.
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Last time I checked, there were no graphic MORPGs 22 years ago. Straight line RPGs with an 'ending' do have a quest line you could follow to the end. MORPGs don't have an 'end', and the genre has been evolving.
Holiday masks are a Festivus tradition going way back, and a proper part of this season. AC is a world, not a game. Maintaining the story line and traditions of the world are as important to the game as adding new dungeons.
You like to use inflammatory words like 'rip off', completely ignoring the fact that these are things players have been asking for for years. It is much more telling to me that Turbine is spending the time and money to evolve AC as new techniques and dynamics are discovered. Turbine has been the innovator in a LOT of areas, they don't need to be one in every area.
Who said anything about graphic MORPGs? Both stand alone games and MUDs have been giving experience points for completing quests for years.
People act as if graphic MORPGs are "awesomely new" technology. They aren't. They are in effect a thing that has taken 2 ideas "Online play" (which goes back to the days of CompuServe) and "RPGs" (which were just graphical extensions of MUDs, which were just computer adaptations of "pencile and paper" games) and "nailed them together". If you want an "old" MMORPG, how in 1994, 16 years ago? Taewool Entertainment.
As for the mask issue. Like I said, if they want to add them, fine. But until Turbine hires more Devs and +Envoys, they will be adding them AT THE EXPENSE of meaningful content (ie Quests), which is where I jumped in this conversation.
Turbine has been given enough ideas from their player base as to what they should do. Even if they quadrupled their staff, it would take about a year to implement them all. As it stands now, with their current staff, they will never get them done. So the idea of not fixing a CORE ISSUE that has been talked since BEFORE the whole "XP Chain" issue (which Turbine "fixed" ... not really, they just nerfed it and lost about 1/4 their player base) about 2 or 3 years ago.
This idea isn't "new" and it is a long time in coming ... EVEN IF Turbine "wises up" and actually announces it, much less actually implements it. After all, we all see how long it took them to come up with the Expansion Pack ... 6 months of ZERO PATCHES ... and cutting out the "Elder System".
Unless Turbine has been working on this system, with total secrecy, for the past 6 months, I wouldn't expect to see it for at LEAST 6 more months, if ever.
But hey, I'd love to be proven wrong. I'd love to see people get XPs for running the Focusing Stone at level 250 and not feel like they have "wasted 200 million an hour by helping a n00b get his stone". I'm talking a system to reward (REAL REWARDS, not 5 million XPs for an hours worth of questing for a level 100 character) that includes all the old quests out there, because if they just do it for "new quests", the 2 or 3 quests per month that Turbine has been cranking out, won't mean squat.
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"Who said anything about graphic MORPGs? Both stand alone games and MUDs have been giving experience points for completing quests for years."
Oh...if we're allowed to compare a MORPG to any kind of game, then AC really sucks, lots of ladders but I haven't seen a single chute! How can a game possibly be any good unless it has both chutes and ladders?
For what it's worth, the very first release of AC ALSO gave out experience points for completing quests. The question is NOT should it give out experience points, but what should the balance of experience from questing and experience from hunting be? Very few standalone games ever gave experience for general hunting, and in early AC times that was considered the primary means of keeping players active with something to do while in game. As time has passed, the downsides of that dynamic has appeared, and Turbine has slowly been ramping up quests to where they can be a much larger percentage of xp earned.
What we push for here is simply an expansion of that.
Oh...and from PAX, and maybe in a weekly update, Turbine IS hiring customer support reps and another engineer for AC.
Oh, and no, I would never expect a level 200 to make decent xp (for his level) for helping someone doing the focusing stone quest. Quest rewards would need to be balance on a risk/reward system that is level appropriate. It doesn't have to be worked on in secret for six months, a revamping of a number of existing quests can start this process and it can continue as time goes on.
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In regards to a level 200 making decent xp for helping someone do the focus stone quest:
I don't think a level 200 should be allowed to participate in the focus stone quest. That, to me, represents one aspect of the game that is fundamentaly wrong. People should be challenged, challenging quests make the game much more enjoyable. Even if you die and lose everything, the best fun I've ever had was struggling to get back to my body to retrieve items lost. I really hope that some day Turbine realizes the importance of challenging players on all levels. And not giving them an easy way out.
Now I realize also that it's totally subjective. Some might argue that you don't have to have help to do certain quests...and I agree, fully. But even having the choice of having help, or "cheating", just makes it easier to give in and let yourself be helped by breezing you through a quest like that.
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You and I both agree on alot of things ...
We both agree that characters should advance via quests rather than "sitting in 1 spot and having a macro play the game for you".
We both agree that Turbine is short staffed, and needs to hire people to do the above.
We both agree that Turbine is the one who needs to do the work to achieve the above goals.
We both agree that Turbine needs to get rid of UCMing and the people that do it.
I think we can agree that since Turbine pushed the level cap out to 275, that getting to that cap requires ALOT of experience points.
What we don't agree on is "how to get there", and here is where were differ. I am looking at it from a "way that people are" point of view (aka Human ... or at least Gamer ... nature).
Turbine needs to "correct the character advancement without needing to resort to UCMing" problem BEFORE they (or others) "pull the plug" on UCMing. Turbine has "allowed" UCMing to go on for far too long to just do it and not expect any repercussions. The last time they did that, they lost THOUSANDS of players (ie the "XP Chains"). That loss of thousands of players caused Turbine to not put as many resources into the game as we BOTH would like, thus compounding the problem we have now. Turbine NEEDS to "bite the bullet" and do ALL the questsl, not just future ones, BEFORE (I can't stress that word enought, so I will say it again ... BEFORE) they get rid of UCMing.
UCMing is just a reaction to the mind numbing grind, it isn't the CAUSE of it.
If you don't let people advance their characters by PLAYING, they will advance their characters via another method (in this case, UCMing) -OR- they will quit the game for a game that does let them advance without the grind.
Either way, it hurts the game.
I honestly don't know any other way to say it than that. People are sick of paying $13 or $26 a month for "promises" from Turbine. That is why there are about 70 to 300 people on a server per night, instead of 2000-4000.
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In regards to a level 200 making decent xp for helping someone do the focus stone quest:
I don't think a level 200 should be allowed to participate in the focus stone quest. That, to me, represents one aspect of the game that is fundamentaly wrong. People should be challenged, challenging quests make the game much more enjoyable. Even if you die and lose everything, the best fun I've ever had was struggling to get back to my body to retrieve items lost. I really hope that some day Turbine realizes the importance of challenging players on all levels. And not giving them an easy way out.
Now I realize also that it's totally subjective. Some might argue that you don't have to have help to do certain quests...and I agree, fully. But even having the choice of having help, or "cheating", just makes it easier to give in and let yourself be helped by breezing you through a quest like that.
No, I'm not saying that a level 200 character should get 200 million XPs for doing the FS quest. But lets face it, a level 200 most likely already has it, and the incentive to get off his butt and help out a level 20 character (let's just pretend that it is a "new to the game" character and not just a reroll for the 50th time) do the quest.
Yes, there are people who will help others without any desire for "reward", but because of the lack of advertising, and the MASSIVELY shrinking player population, those numbers are shrinking. So getting a fellow together just to help some "n00b" get an item that you got 4 years ago, and if you go, you will miss your spot on the list in EO or PotB for 200 million an hour, so you can spend 2 hours just so you can raise your health by 1 point, is getting harder and harder to organize.
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I am not blaming you guys for taking this step, I can understand why you do it, but I still believe that might be YANTACC.
Arch_Magi: Why didnt you just say you wanted to do Focusing Stone, I could have helped you. No need to quit over it 
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Kudos to you. Until now, I have refused to download LifeTank because of its UCM proponent, even though it has some (non-combat macroing) features I would like to take advantage of.
I may just download it now. Thank you.
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Wow, that was a very long read - going through every reply, the heated, not so heated, amusing, pissed and flippant....
Bringing me full circle to Turbine.
Why oh friggin why would they put in two additional Egg Orchards, if not in support of UCM?
No, no, before you immediately hit reply and slam that statement, read on. Look at the current "End Game" - 275th level. 191 billion exp. Assuming you have the time to play, at the keyboard, at 200 mill an hour - please, the game is 6 years old, no one wants to take another year to get there. Let's say you start a brand new guy today - to get to 191 billion, thats 995 hours at 200 mill/hour. At 8 hours a day, that's still 124 days! And at 4 hours a day that's 248 days! And that's not taking into consideration days/weeks you can't play for some reason. Yes yes, at 200th level-ish, you're already "there". But many are diven by that number. It used to be 126th. Now that number is 275th. Telling a large percentage of the player base that for them and their play style, that number is no longer in reach? Please.
And Turbine, with their lax application and enforcement of their own rules, coupled with the rediculously high ammount of exp required to achieve that goal has all but forced many TO resort to UCM to ever hope to achieve it. Not everyone HAS the luxury of hard working Vassals like many here have stated.
Turbine caused this problem. Turbine did. Look at the layout and design of almost every "High Yield XP" dungeon we've ever seen in game - The Martinate Holding, Phytos Menace, Tusker Holding, Vile Sactuary, Egg Orchard - etc. most have key spots to camp to maximize exp in a hunting fellowship. Many spots camped easily by someone not there (IE: UCM) - almost is if they were desigend that way. Hold on now - when competition for these spots got too much what did Turbine do? In Egg Orchard's case made it even easier to UCM by adding two more dungeons! And even that's not enough! Now, look at every server's boards? Nearly every day there are new posts of people complaing how those spots are not enough and people can't get in. By allowing UCM and not enforcing these rules, by making places where the exploitation of these plug-ins from a player viewpoint simply makes SENSE, and my giving the crack addicts all the crack they can smoke and then some, why oh why are we suddenly surprised at the ire when the drug of choice goes away?
Turbine waited too long to respond to this, and did everything in their power to give the junkies even more of what they wanted in the meantime. Like many have stated here, a hard line now will cripple the player base. Yes, yes, we will have a nice core of CoC abiding players left behind. But 14 (ok, sorry 17) accounts won't pay the bills. Yes, I know there are more people who don't like decal, etc than that - I am being flippant here.
Yes yes yes, We are only removing the +Admin detection capability of these plug-ins. But. What's next? Gong on tell? I mean if I were to have my speakers turned all the way up I would be able to be in another room watching that movie that's been mentioned in this thread a few times - and be able to get back to my keyboard in time to repond to a UCM test. Or, like other have hinted at, asleep in my bed when GOOOOOOOOOONG - I roll out and respond. Isn't the Gong on Tell just as bad an exploit as the +Admin alarm? With todays climate of narcing the moment someone even thinks they caught the whiff of someone UCMing, I don't do either - but what if?
What if.
All or nothing Turbine.
Nuke Decal.
Or leave it be.
On a positive note I admire that this is being done. Just now isn't the time to do it - 4 years ago was. Now we're in our twilight. Our swansong.
Let it ride.
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I agree the admin dectection SOUND helped people UCM.. they could sleep or whatever and hear it and then wake up or whatever...
But why remove it completely?
Couldn't you just have it pop up the text? with no sound.
This wouldn't alert the people sleeping/in other rooms watching a movie or whatever.
But would still help the people playing spot that they were about to be tested.
If your there enough to see the extra alert text your attended, correct?
Don't punish the whole playerbase. Leave the text alert in!
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Churi:
One thing that I think you're overlooking is that ACM is still legally allowed through the CoC..
lets hypothetically say that Egg Orchard WAS designed for "Combat Macros"... lets not confine it to only UCM... but say "Combat Macros" in general. As long as people are Attending their Combat Macros, that would be a perfectly valid way to level a character. The problem as I see it comes in the people's wanting something for nothing, and Turbine's laxed enforcement.
Note however also, that I don't agree with this statement either. I don't personally feel ANY form of Combat Macroing should be allowed, but that's a moral principle I have which is not shared by a majority of people.
Edit: Shriva.. there is absolutely no need for an alarm of any kind. The ONLY need of an alarm is to wake someone up or get the attention of the user who was not properly attending their macro. If you're attending a macro properly, then an alarm would have no use. By that I mean that when you're being tested, it will be plainly obvious to anyone paying attention that you're being tested. Creatures can no longer attack you, you can no longer participate in chat, there is nothing to "spam up" your chat windows other than the Admin or Envoy instructions. There is no need for an Attended macro to have an Admin alarm of any sort.. text or otherwise.
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can we get a better tracker for ltx?
ala give me the coords to the monster I'm looking for?
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Drakier, IF they put you in limbo..
The only time i was ever tested i was not.. and they are other times people have not also.
I caught the text though and have never been banned myself.. but would not have liked it very much if i had been banned that time.
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Just saw that spies is going to keep the text alert...
Guess i will have to run 2 plugins instead of one.
Also, if you are put in limbo what would the text alert hurt?
If your there to see the text alert your there to see the limbo.
If your not there to see the limbo, your not going to be there to see the text alert either.
Why not leave in the extra protection in case your not in limbo?
Hurts nothing and MAY help if they messup the limbo?
Wheres the harm in that?
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Arch pretty much nailed it. However, there is absolutely NO endgame once you hit 275 except to log in once a month to run the aug gem quest to get another enhancement just to get it. Speeding people to 275 will just result in many more players twiddling their thumbs wondering what they should do. Turbine's current endgame is the long stretch of time it takes you to get to 275. So the problem is twofold - you need quests to actually *gasp* give xp to advance you towards max level, but you also MUST have something else to do once you reach max level. At least right now, people seem to stick with the game as long as they can push the green up arrow regardless of how ineffectual that 1 skill point increase is that cost 100 mill xp.
As for the person wanting level restrictions on lower level dungeons to provide more challenge - those were in place on many dungeons in the past and were removed because of lack of people at the correct level range to ever get the quests done. With the current game population, you cannot put upper end limits on places, only lower level ones. If a sidekicking/mentoring system was implemented like in CoH, then you could talk about adding back level restrictions on the upper end. Until then, expect no upper limits.
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Glad I hit 275 last month lol
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A pop-up text alert is imho a perfectly valid form of alert. Somebody actually attending the game (and not the TV) would see it and it COULD provide a degree of protection when you are so busy doing something else you miss the admin talking to you.
I know I've almost missed admin tells, and I never use combat macros of any kind. When I'm hunting hot and heavy I'm watching the mobs, my spell bars, my Find It! loot box and not chat.
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I agree, unless you filter combat, if you pulling "pit duty" in EO, you will miss every single message sent to you because the damage messages are coming so fast.
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In my opinion is bs: even if i don't ucm, at least not since a long ago because of time and even if when i did i used to turn off the sounds cause i hated the gongs, i think this is like hiding behind a finger.
Why taking it out now?
And anyhow for me the best admin alarm always been the tripple gong: only admins sends you 3 tells at the same time when they test you so tripple gong > admin alarm.
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I agree, unless you filter combat, if you pulling "pit duty" in EO, you will miss every single message sent to you because the damage messages are coming so fast.
Not really ... we were given configurable chat windows for a reason. I put my combat and magics into chat window 1 ... have it placed just above the top edge of my spell bars. General chat is in chat window 2 (normally closed). I go into EO to do my ripper quests and never miss tells - if people use the chat windows to move some of the stuff out of main chat screen, they'd not miss them either
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The thing I don't understand is the whole rush. Why macro 2 months to 275 instead of hunting yourself for a year or two. I find it very funny when people complain that they can not get their augmentation's faster cause they have so much experiance saved up, most likely, from macroing 24/7. If you actually hunted yourself and took your time then maybe there wouldn't be all that xp laying around. You get it as you need it for your augmentations.
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The thing I don't understand is the whole rush. Why macro 2 months to 275 instead of hunting yourself for a year or two. I find it very funny when people complain that they can not get their augmentation's faster cause they have so much experiance saved up, most likely, from macroing 24/7. If you actually hunted yourself and took your time then maybe there wouldn't be all that xp laying around. You get it as you need it for your augmentations.
Never been in a good experience chain I see. Which for many years, was perfectly legal (but then again, so was macroing), and even after the chain change, if you have 4 or 9 very active vassals (macroing or not), you can litterally log in to billions of XPs a day. All perfectly legal, and all without running a single plugin.
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"The thing I don't understand is the whole rush. Why macro 2 months to 275 instead of hunting yourself for a year or two...,.,.."
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because I dont want to wait a year or 2 just to finish my template for pk
if I could finish my template at lvl 240, there would be no reason for me to go past that by macroing.
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But 'Its the Journy' not the 'Destiation' that counts right
Guess this is why I never tried Lifetank...it was made I remember to get around Elgar trying to enforce the CoC on tank.
Good to see it on the path to recovery
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ive already been on the journey, I just want the destination at this point of the game.
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This game will not be around in two years. So get it done as fast as possible.
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Not like it matters because it doesn't even seem like the envoys care about or pay attention to the game anymore. Also, there will be a new plugin or add on that will have this feature very soon, it's inevitable.
And I found this funny:
"...and the LifeTankXI Development Team were not happy with the previous state of the plugin."
Tank should have never been released to the public, the old developers were teh best! I doubt it would have ever been the intention of the old developers to take away this feature, who is developing tank now?
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There are other non-decal based admin detection application that can be used alongside Lifetank which work really well.
When I used to macro, I never liked the Lifetank admin detection (was never very reliable, and seemed to miss Envoys a lot).
Plus, even if you have admin detection, if you are really UCM'ing (out of the house), there isn't much you can do to save yourself from a ban. Even with the option of being able to talk through your character via IRC controls, and id objects, etc, if they ask you for something more specific, like run to point x, turn around, jump up, run to point y, then walk back to point x, you'd be screwed.
This shouldn't change macroing too much. Envoys don't ban, and if you get ban, come up with some lame excuse like you didn't see the +Envoy in front of the envoys name, so you thought it was someone administrating a fake UCM test.
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OMG so this is what it looks like when you take the addicts pipe away. WOW!
Decal is not the problem, please stop beating the dead horse.
Plugins are not the problem, please please stop flogging that poor dead horse.
The problem is the end user, and what they do.
No one forced you to use LifeTank, and if Para and the others want to change it, you really can't say anything about it. Your getting way more than you paid for it.
Turbine expanded the EO's to shut the whiners up. Its a common theme. If you whine and cry long enough Turbine does something. 1 word - Dagger.
I was thrilled with there being 3 EOs and 3 POTBs. It got 99% of the macroers out of places I wanted to hunt or explore. Now that these people are pulling down stupid amounts of XP everyone else is yelling hey wheres mine. And you complained enough that Turbines gonna open up spots in the EO for you... with bans. Enjoy.
Boo hoo hoo... shut up and play the game or quit. Stop taking potshots at Para and the others. They made a decision. If you don't like it... go write your own plugin.
If you want to UCM no ones gonna hold your hand any more and make it easy.
You can still do it, but now theres no one to blame if you get caught but yourself.
Getting to 275 is not what its supposed to be all about.
There was ment to be exploration beyond waiting till the patch tree updated to tell you what to do next.
Its time we stop blaming Decal, Plugins, Para, the moon, Turbine, and anything else... the only ones at fault are us. What you do is only a reflection on yourself, just because you used someone elses tools to do it... its still all on you.
I mean I thought this was all just a game and the plugins were to help us, not do everything for us. Whats next the plugin to tell you to go to the bathroom?
Grow up, stop whining.
Maybe learn to press some buttons and kill a monster with your own hands.
Para - I'm intrested to see what this might lead to... I might even try to figure Lifetank out again... I'm a simple wubbie.. I just use ElTank... I get confused easy... To many buttons in Life for me
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I said months ago adding more features including admin avoidance would have been one of my goals. I tried to make it happen and even bought a domain to feature the development of many many more things than what has currently came out in this "version" of the plugin.
No, SPK was developing under the intentions to keep admin detection alive and kicking. Even made it IRC based so scripts (which many I have used) could be shot through into the IRC chat room warning everyone and allowing control of charactors.
Keeping in mind at the time... charactor control was not very robust. I could see it becoming something much bigger had I went my way with it. The particular dev team did not see a point in developing it due to Paraduck and C'Relic making this version.
Too bad and so sad that I quit or I would create a version that the "darkside" of combat macroing would use. (UCM's).
Everyone knows the risks involved. Everyone knows that this version still works except admin detection.
Now a plugin to detect admins should be made including charactor control. Have it run independant outside of decal so that no one has "control" of it.
That is all it is about.Control. Always has been and this post proves my point I tried to show those in the past. Everyone doubted me, I eventually realized this games gonna be dead soon anyways and found better things to do with my time and my life. I'm actually suprised I even read some of this. Either way.. It does'nt matter. I have no loss in these words or statements. Fire away guys.
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to little to late as usual.
It really dont matter at this point , ever since the first attempt to distupt admin detection i dont think anyone that macroes alot been relying on decal anymore to detect admins.
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"I said months ago adding more features including admin avoidance would have been one of my goals. I tried to make it happen and even bought a domain to feature the development of many many more things than what has currently came out in this "version" of the plugin.
No, SPK was developing under the intentions to keep admin detection alive and kicking. Even made it IRC based so scripts (which many I have used) could be shot through into the IRC chat room warning everyone and allowing control of charactors.
Keeping in mind at the time... charactor control was not very robust. I could see it becoming something much bigger had I went my way with it. The particular dev team did not see a point in developing it due to Paraduck and C'Relic making this version.
Too bad and so sad that I quit or I would create a version that the "darkside" of combat macroing would use. (UCM's).
Everyone knows the risks involved. Everyone knows that this version still works except admin detection.
Now a plugin to detect admins should be made including charactor control. Have it run independant outside of decal so that no one has "control" of it.
That is all it is about.Control. Always has been and this post proves my point I tried to show those in the past. Everyone doubted me, I eventually realized this games gonna be dead soon anyways and found better things to do with my time and my life. I'm actually suprised I even read some of this. Either way.. It does'nt matter. I have no loss in these words or statements. Fire away guys."
HAHAHAHAHA
LOL
Oh man...
If you had the ability to make your own version you would have. Why would someone else working on the source code stop you? Do you honestly expect people to kiss your butt and beg you to work on it? LOL
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and Nero fiddled while Rome burned...
I just don't get some of you people. Turbine has taken the hard line before and whiners like you either unsubbed or adapted, it's called survival of the fittest. Now a Decal Plugin Dev says they are taking Admin Detection out of their plugin and you raising the rafters with your cries reminds me of the people who whined when they took beer sales out of baseball games because the beer drinkers were just too much to handle. You made your beds, now sleep in them. You have been exposed! The hue and cry of those "wronged" is music to my ears.
UCM'ing has been a sickness that has been allowed for too long and I say better late than never.
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why flame bane VI, you're not high level enough to cast Inferno's Bane?
and at this point, who cares honestly, all the people who wanted 275 got there. They just have rerolls who they want to level also. Not a big diff from 220 and 275
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Could not remember what the Flame Bane VII spell was named.
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" HAHAHAHAHA
LOL
Oh man...
If you had the ability to make your own version you would have. Why would someone else working on the source code stop you? Do you honestly expect people to kiss your butt and beg you to work on it? LOL
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Lil_Blub didn't do ANY client hacking.. Lil_Blub honestly as far as I can tell doesn't know a THING about software development..
To the best of my knowledge, the extent Lil_Blub took with the LifeTank code was organizing OTHER DEVELOPERS to assist. Lil_Blub was nothing more than a manager at that point, and an organizer of the project.
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Okay, well I shoudln't say he did the client hacking himself, but he was part of a group that did. Actually, I'm not sure if it was a client hack, or if they took control of an envoy. I think it was actually they had access to an envoy, and that's how they were making 8 billion an hour. I would go check on the site, but they figured out I was on there, so I can't really go on there anymore.
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If they expect people to sit there behind their computer and level characters from 1-275 manually hunting, they're effing tards.
They OBVIOUSLY want this game to die and don't want anyone new to start playing.
So...me sitting behind my comp for 4 years manually making levels is being a tard? omg I thought this was a game and I paid to PLAY it not paid my comp to play it!!!
(no offense to any ucm'ers, to each their own, I'm just saying is that calling people who DO like to actualy PLAY the game "tards" is about intelligent as a box of rocks.)
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Okay now that I got that out of my system here's some final words..
YOU CAN STILL UCM folks...just no big buddy to watch over you, so that means *gasp* you'll actually get in trouble if/when you are caught and that is what we adults in the real world like to call..*drum roll* R E S P O N S I B I L I T Y.
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As long as Turbine enforce their own rules and put people in limbo there is no way to miss a admin exept when UCM.
That being said with external alarms and 15bucks account who really gives a rats if you get banned anyways.
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YOU CAN STILL UCM folks...just no big buddy to watch over you, so that means *gasp* you'll actually get in trouble if/when you are caught and that is what we adults in the real world like to call..*drum roll* R E S P O N S I B I L I T Y. "
And maybe some of us "adults" have a life instead of being able to play at 3:00 PM after (grade) school
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Bn-Kleenex:
*And maybe some of us "adults" have a life instead of being able to play at 3:00 PM after (grade) school*
And some of us, like Livvy and myself, also have lives, work full-time, raise kids, run businesses, wear 40 hats... And still know how to maximize our ingame time. Five year player, monarch without leadership trained and no fully active vassals, never macroed, and level 244. I do EO and PotB only on my timer and only until I've killed my 250 each. And I do almost every other XP oriented quest on the timers. With my group. Our calendar stays full.
I simply prefer AC over Southpark. Hands down.
People. NOTHING about LT is changing. You can still macro 'til your hard drive falls off. You just lose your alarm clock.
Sheesh.
*edit: AC- Society in a microcosm. Something for nothing, give it to me free, don't make me work at it, and God forbid we take responsibility for our actions. Damn. I could write a thesis. Hrmmm...
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YOU CAN STILL UCM folks...just no big buddy to watch over you, so that means *gasp* you'll actually get in trouble if/when you are caught and that is what we adults in the real world like to call..*drum roll* R E S P O N S I B I L I T Y. "
And maybe some of us "adults" have a life instead of being able to play at 3:00 PM after (grade) school
 Pardon if I'm mis-reading that as you knocking on my point, if not read on.
And that means what to me? I'm not supposed to be posting at 3pm in the aftternoon? That because I work 5am to 12:30pm and CAN post at 3 in the afternoon that my point is invalid? And what does that have to do with when one makes/gets the time to play, i play when I get time. Sometimes not all week, but a few hours during the weekend...Like I said " to each their own " but don't gripe at the creators of the program/game that you agreed to their "EULA" if they punish you for breaking their rules.
Think I'll call my boss tomarrow and tell them that I can't make it in cause dangit..I gotta play AC and it's more important and can't macro "safely".
I'm a nice person honest, I don't care if someone macro's or doesn't. What I'm not keen on is people blaming others for decisions they made on their own.
Also lil note* We the AC players do not PAY to use Decal/LifeTank ect..it's a perk, suck it up, enjoy it. You can't get a refund or demand satisfaction when you don't pay for it.
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So really lifetank is turning into eltank. If you really wanted to make this a non ucm tool why dont you do the same thing eltank did and make it to where you have to hit a key every 5 mins and take log from pks out and log on death?
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So really lifetank is turning into eltank. If you really wanted to make this a non ucm tool why dont you do the same thing eltank did and make it to where you have to hit a key every 5 mins and take log from pks out and log on death?
This has been answered elsewhere in the post. Neither of these are effective ways of curbing UCM.
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^ actually I'd disagree with you there, Slightly. It removes the ease of UCM from the non enlightened.
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<< This has been answered elsewhere in the post. Neither of these are effective ways of curbing UCM. >>
Some ideas, some of which are probably not doable:
1. A form pops up from time to time asking for yo confirm a word or phrase (which is random), combat functions disable after 1 minute if the phrase is not entered. On an incorrect entry, give two more tries before disabling.
2. disable auto-targeting of monsters/characters.
3. Require to start combat a press of the attack key.
If we sit down and brainstorm it we could probably come up with a list of several more options that could be explored.
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You can make it hard to UCM with ElTank or LifeTank, but I do not think you can make it impossible while still keeping the plugin useful for ACM. Most ways to detect if someone is at keyboard that are not annyoing to hell after an hour or so can be countered by just another plugin/program.
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You can make it hard to UCM with ElTank or LifeTank, but I do not think you can make it impossible while still keeping the plugin useful for ACM. Most ways to detect if someone is at keyboard that are not annyoing to hell after an hour or so can be countered by just another plugin/program.
Exactly. Plus, any effective effort is going to have to come from Turbine and the Decal devs.
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A large part of the reason we felt it was appropriate to do this, was to show Turbine and everyone else that we wanted to support their efforts to step up support to the playerbase... but like Para has pointed out, testing or banning for breaking the Code of Conduct is NOT our job, nor should we have do anything to to Turbine's job for them IMO. The Admin Detection wasn't a decision that was taken lightly, nor was it something we came to terms with overnight. There was much debate between all of us and I was extremely reluctant to finally release it that night... I knew we were going to catch hell for it but..
I believe Turbine will do what they say, obviously since we took a huge step already. It's their turn to step up to the plate and swing, I hope they'll come through. I agree the feature was helpful or useful in the correct situation, but it was being abused to give people a (somewhat false) feeling of security or even assisting them in evading bans.
So, I apologize for those who are angry at our actions... but it's still interesting to see those who didn't use the alert for the wrong reasons aren't the ones who're upset. IMO it's time you learn how to play the game without hitting start and leaving the house or unsub. You agreed to follow those rules when you entered your credit card number, all we're meerly doing is assisting you to stay on the path of goodness
The plugin itself hasn't changed... it's still going strong with more emphasis on helping the Melee and Archer toons. The next release, as Para has mentioned above, will be one to look forward to... hopefully we can bring LTxi into a more modern light with some of the new features Decal has introduced with D3D rendering!
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^ actually I'd disagree with you there, Slightly. It removes the ease of UCM from the non enlightened.
Been my experience that it had no effect. All that happens is that people are told to install Eltank and one of 'ELtank UCM protection code defeaters'.
A person that can install and get Decal and Eltank working does not have any problem with --> You need to install one more plugin to UCM with Eltank.
Cynical Yula does not think that this change to Lifetank will have much long term effect. Lifetank will end up like Eltank. Install Lifetank and ...
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"Cynical Yula does not think that this change to Lifetank will have much long term effect. Lifetank will end up like Eltank. Install Lifetank and ..."
I agree it will have no long term effect. But LifeTank is not ElTank. LifeTank was built for UCM in mind. If someone was UCM'ing, there were probably running LifeTank, not ElTank. LifeTank devs didnt care about UCMing with LifeTank. At least ElGarL tried to prevent UCMing with ElTank by putting in some sort of measure. Not true with LifeTank. From what I hear, the only reason the admin detection was removed from LifeTank was because of pressure from Turbine, not because the plug-in's devs wanted to adhere to the CoC.
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Then you need to pay more attention and try reading all the fact before posting your drivel. There was no pressure... so again, think again and stop posting until then, thanks.
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"IMO it's time you learn how to play the game without hitting start and leaving the house or unsub"
Maybe its time some people learn how to play without any 3rd party plugins at all?
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"IMO it's time you learn how to play the game without hitting start and leaving the house or unsub"
Maybe its time some people learn how to play without any 3rd party plugins at all?
That would be boring as hell
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Identify who they are, would be interesting to know, is it 1 person who objects, or a group vote or just some sore loser who objects. What happens if you don't comply, what Nazi part of Decal team can make such decisions?
both Turbine and the LifeTankXI Development Team were not happy with the previous state of the plugin
Hopefully someone will have a admin detect program separately made, I wonder if Quack will work.
Who the hell are Decal people that they think they can dominate this game, the game is not made in their view. I can't believe turbine cares 1 cent if program is changed or not it is just some b&&&& in the decal team making a fuss.
Now the whinners and trouble makes can have their fun reporting people as they can't do anything better with their lives.
maybe it is Elgar becuase he is a sore loser that liftank is better than tank.
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Wait.. hold on there.. who said anything about the Decal team?
We didn't have anything to do with this. Paraduck came to US and said that the old LifeTank was to be killed. Since he is the new developer we complied with his request as we would do with any plugins whose developers tell us to disable old versions.
So before you start talking trash about the Decal Devs dominating this game or anything dealing with thie LifeTank thing, you need to get the facts.
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Good Job. There is really no other good reason for the admin alarm than to fight UCM checks. Since UCM is against the rules it should have never beenin the prog. Weird how so many people are getting their panties in a bunch over this. If they are really UCM the alarm won't help them anyway.
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Keep up the responses, this is good.
Lots of requests for Source Code and such in PM's.
I will get it and post it back up for download if it's not available.
Raretracker is a custom feature in the current Lifetank. Pointless to add since there is a stand alone.
Thanks for posting all the code flaws in your release notes. We all do appreciate that, helps make our releases faster going.
You all definatly adhere to the CoC. We can see that. Grats to you! You should be proud of that FACT. 
Anyhow, Decal and Plug-in writers have really lost the facts and focus behind why Decal was orginally. First it was open source.. then they yank that... Then it's controled by KillBit, then...then... then... I guess they like to yank things. 
As such... I have a couple people who want to help with a new release and I'm still in my consideration mode. Depends on how far and fast they want to move.
I don't play AC and I really lost my passion for the game. I don't believe I will even re-sub, If I need testers I got those. Easy to obtain.
Good Luck C'Relic and Paraduck on your CoC version. I wish you the best in your plugin and donations. I just hope no one will continue to download a restricted version as Lifetank "was" and "will be again" a Unattended Combat Macro.
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Also a quote from your own LifeElTank site:
Welcome to LifeTank XI
Written by Marc
Saturday, 08 July 2006
Welcome to the LifeTank XI Website. LifeTank is a Decal 3 plugin made for Asheron's Call: Throne of Destiny. LifeTank has many macro features while playing AC:TOD, such as Combat Assistance, Buffing, Looting, World Detection, and many others.
This plugin was originally programmed and designed by Spax/SpK of Wintersebb. Later on the source code was released and Xeon Xarid of Wintersebb began developing it, dubbed Lifetank X. After the release of Decal 3 Alpha 7, C'relic and Paraduck of MT decided to take on the task of developing the plugin, now called LifeTank XI.
Keep an eye on this site as we will be releasing fixes and updates to LifeTank frequently. We will also be using this site as a portal for other future plugins we plan to develop soon.
 I will post the same disclaimer as ElgarL of ElTank from his website:
Because this site hosts a semi controversial plug-in does not mean we agree with griefing. We do agree with Macroing of many sorts, be it Bots or Drain/Combat. Although we ask any users of this site to do so with respect for other players of Asheron's Call.
Guidelines:
1. Don't heavily macro Dungeons that are frequented by players for the purpose of hunting.
2. LifeTank is NOT for Unattended use. Unattended use is officially against the CoC and we will not be held liable if you get banned from Asheron's Call due to violating this CoC
3. If you think your actions will have a detrimental affect to someone's playing pleasure, don't do it.
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I've swore up and down I was going to ignore you and let you die with the rest of the thread but... You're starting to tick me off.
I shouldn't have to say it again, but I will... The only people whining (and are doing exactly that) are mostly people from Darktide (which, again, isn't much different than what they do anyway). The ONLY thing removed from the plugin was the alarm, which was well known it wasn't that reliable anyway... and the plugin itself still works fine. Unfriendly Player finder/alarm works, as well as /tell notification to.
So, I honestly don't see what your big fuss is, seeing how you hate us and AC now and have unsubbed. If you'd read above, maybe you'd understand the reason we did this and why we aren't going to take it further than what we've done already.
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<snip> I don't play AC and I really lost my passion for the game. I don't believe I will even re-sub, If I need testers I got those. Easy to obtain.
Good Luck C'Relic and Paraduck on your CoC version. I wish you the best in your plugin and donations. I just hope no one will continue to download a restricted version as Lifetank "was" and "will be again" a Unattended Combat Macro.
And your final statement, sir, shows blatantly why this step was undertaken. Your total disregard for the Code of Conduct is clearly stated ... Since you, by your own admission, have lost your "passion for the game" why the hell are you going to bother to even consider revamping this program that was created for the SOLE purpose of circumventing the Code of Conduct all agree to when they create their account to play AC?
Many of us have managed to level our characters to the level they are without cheating ... yes, I said cheating. Any time you need to incorporate "anti-detection" within a program, it is designed for the purpose of allowing someone to cheat. Maybe it costs me some xp NOT to fellow in certain dungeons because the fellow is mainly made up of UCMs ... it's ok. Maybe it takes me a while longer to level my characters because of this ... it's ok too. But when these UCMs deliberately go into the "xp producing" dungeons others want to hunt and literally take them over, it's not ok for the REST of the playerbase who might want to hunt productively there.
I truly hope you do not display this level of callous selfishness in your real life, sir. It is this type of selfish disregard for others that frustrates many playing AC today ... and believe it or not, was a major cause for many leaving this game.
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Ashake: I'm with you. It was the major contributing factor for me unsubbing my accounts as well.. although not AS directly related to UCM, it had a significant factor in my decision.
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Didn't even care to read that all.
Although.. Expect a release in the next week.
I am tired of you guys and your'e drama and non-simplistic ways.
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There have been, on average, two hits per minute to our auth/version check files since the release. As well as approximately 800 downloads. Considering that the forced update has not yet taken place, and that previous versions do not have the version check, is this not evidence that many people do not care about the admin alarm?
I'm of the belief that people will continue to use our version, as we're the official maintainers of LT. Due to the as of yet un-required upgrade, the current use is evidence of this, regardless of whether or not there is another LifeTank around. The vocal minority may like their admin alarm, but in the end, I don't think it's a big of a deal as you're making it out to be.
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As I said, good luck with your version.
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well its always the devs choice to change their plugin however they see fit...
this change seems to be a little moronic but thats neither here or there...
have you considered that this will cause some (who have access to programmers) to have advantages over others (who do not have access to programmers)?
I can assure you that admin detection is neither difficult nor unapproached in private plugins...
congrats... now you can feel better
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Average auths/minute last night was in the range of 4-6 unique, I expect it to go up =)
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well yeah
what do you expect people to do, drop lifetank for eltank?
I dont think so, lifetank is still > eltank
would be interesting to see tho if lil bub gets a working version out
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Thank you for the "good luck" in your PM to me Para.
I plan to have a released version very soon with admin detection.
I could'nt see the numbers going up when admin detection is added back in. Also we are considerate of Killbit and understand how it works. Re-compling doesn't take long so it's nbd. Gui id#'s are what makes Killbit even work from my understanding.
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Nice. So you're openly admitting to breaking the CoC, using our plugin to do it (not even bother to rename it).. and now you're talking about purposely evading bans from Decal. Good job.
You're threats on my server have been noted. Hacking won't be tolerated, and formal abuse reports have been submitted to your ISP, along with access log reports.
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"Nice. So you're openly admitting to breaking the CoC, using our plugin to do it (not even bother to rename it).. and now you're talking about purposely evading bans from Decal. Good job.
You're threats on my server have been noted. Hacking won't be tolerated, and formal abuse reports have been submitted to your ISP, along with access log reports. "
As such, I have not "attacked" your ISP as you say I have. First off, I don't hack anyone, never have, never will.
Second.. abuse of what? I don't honestly know wtf your talking about.
From decal? Evading bans..?? WTF?
What crack are you guys smoking? I got some pm's and even a specially "formatted" e-mail which looks like you downloaded it off a legal website to try to scare me into something.
Please fill me in. Im laughing so hard at your crackhead allegations.
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Author: William "Spk" Ravaine - spk@darkside-online.com
Website: http://www.darkside-online.com
Desc: Asheron's Call Macro source code
This is the source code of the LifeTank's Engine. The engine
is in charge of the macro's logic and interface. Feel free to
customize your LifeTank with it. You will need Visual Basic 6.0
to edit the source code.
Please be aware that NO SUPPORT or documentation is provided.
This source code is for advanced users only. This is mostly
for educationnal purposes, and is provided as is without any warranties
of any kind. Please note that you still need a working lifetank
authorization to run your modified LTEngine ingame.
Please respect the intellectual property of this source code,
and give credits where credits are due.
We plan on running a monthly contest where the best modifications
will be rewarded with a Patron authorization on the server of the
contributor's choice. More information on this topic will be
available later.
A special thank goes to the Decal dev team for their quality work
and support on Decal through all these years, Turbine for such a
fantastic game, and all my friends at Darkside-Online. I'd also like
to thank the author of SkunkWorks for releasing his source code, which
has proven to be a valuable help on several occasions throughout the
development of lifetank. Finally, a particular thank you to Sweet Mary
who made LT what it is today!
- Spk
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LMFAO and I have been getting legal threats from -Replex- about something about hacking a server or some crap.
I seriously think they are on crack.
Not to mention this above post states it all (About SPK's OPEN SOURCE intentions.)
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I am closing this thread as it has served its purpose -- to inform the communtiy about changes to LifeTank's admin detection.
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