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Welcome Tika Waylen to the Boards - she will be Modding the board now as well, please feel free to contact her with any questions, concerns or problems you may have 
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woot thanks! hate mail still goes to kes, ill accept all good mail 
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LOL!
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oh great. now you're both on the utilities board too?
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/e gives Chocolate Truffle to Tika
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Welcome and have fun.
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/me grabs the truffle and giggles
Thanks Yula! LOL
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I should totally be a mod here.
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Congrats Tika!
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Actually, having a mod who develops or at least understands development of third party utilities would be a lot nicer than the current moderator set up here, where none of the mods are actual programmers of any sort.
And Drak would make a much better mod than I would.
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how about we both be mods? *grins*
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I've been banned entirely too many times to be a mod. Heh. Though I was in the running a couple of times.
Legiondel was an ok moderator for this board in the fact that he actually developed Decal plugins, but he was a less than great moderator in about every other way. Drak is a nice guy and is a lot more inclined to be fair than I am, though I got over my power tripping phase a couple of years ago. 
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Fibber, Haz will never give up his power. He's an egomaniac.
Nothing like humble ole me
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Actually, having a mod who develops or at least understands development of third party utilities would be a lot nicer than the current moderator set up here, where none of the mods are actual programmers of any sort.
LOL and how do you know i am not a programmer/developer? - as "The current mod" you speak of - you have no idea of my talents
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Kestrina,
Your talents seem obvious to me. Here I will list them:
o Likes truffles
o You must be in your twenties to giggle. (or at very least a good sense of humor)
o You must like small furry animals. (thus the kitten)
o You are good at taking abuse.
o You must be cute but tough (thus the kitten with the boxing gloves).
o You must have lost a bet to be a moderator on the VNBoards.
So how close am I?
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Oh, and welcome Tika. Now put some cloths on your pixie!
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Kestrina,
Your talents seem obvious to me. Here I will list them:
o Likes truffles (Yum!)
o You must be in your twenties to giggle. (or at very least a good sense of humor) (Good sense of humor, im OLD!)
o You must like small furry animals. (thus the kitten) yes i do like cats..dogs.. animals
o You are good at taking abuse. Hell ya!
o You must be cute but tough (thus the kitten with the boxing gloves). The boxing gloves are for the abuse i take here! ROFL
o You must have lost a bet to be a moderator on the VNBoards. I was drugged, kidnapped, and brought here!
So how close am I?
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/e raises her hand duri i was the one that kidnapped and drugged her. sorry to have unleashed her on you guys =-) and as far as being a programmer of ac, well maybe im not but i have been a good guinea pig when some dev's wanted to test out their proggy's. im a good proggy breaker!
and whats wrong with my fairie??? fairies dont wear clothes 
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You've never been involved in any threads that I have seen in which you display knowledge of software engineering. Even if you are a developer of some sort, it doesn't really matter as you do not participate.
I don't think any of you do a bad job, but as one of the prominent developers on this forum I can really see the lack of engineering knowledge among the moderators as a whole.
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I dont see why it would help to have knowledge of programming to moderate posts that get out of hand.
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Lord_Anton: I believe you are looking at the "Moderator" in the strictest sense of them being here to basically just lock threads, ban users, etc... where I believe a lot of other people (including myself) look at moderation as you would a channel operator in many channels... where they provide some sort of benefit to the discussions and can provide helpful technical insight into the topics... an ACTIVE participant rather than a passive post-locker, and troll-banner.
I think many of the best forums flourish because their moderation has an active roll in the discussions.. especially the technical ones. I agree with haz that a forum dedicated to utilities and development of them (for anything, not just AC) would benefit from having active moderation of a technical nature.
If you still have no idea what i'm talking about, maybe it would help to refelct on the old days of IRC/Forums/BBS and remember the position that the moderators and operators were put into.. the status they held, and the respect of their peers for their technical abilities and their abilitiy to SHARE that knowledge. If you weren't into IRC/Forums/BBS back when that was the case, then I don't know what else to tell you. It's not about Power, or Respect, or Status, or anything of the sort, but just having that place where users can look to for answers I guess. It's a hard concept to explain to someone who's never been in that place.. and if you have, you know what I'm talking about and it doesn't need explaination.
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eh if thats what ya want then you should apply and then us lowly humans wont have to do it
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Where's the application?
I've passed my interest to moderate to Kestrina and to ex-pinky. I didn't know there was a form I had to fill out, or I would have done that as well.
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Wut old days ?
You can find such moderators in clan sites, Dev sites, and other, fairly specific sites. Usually mods are the ones who either created the site, or actively participated in doing so. Don't you have one of this now Drak?
As for mods here, their only "responsibility" is to make sure ppl follow the CoC to one degree or another. mods here has no authority above and beyond what the CoC dictates, nor do they benefit from enforcing those rules (afaik, tho they may get "free" accounts?)
Mods here = cheap labor force for IGn who makes money from Ads 
/e cracks whip
Edit: yes you do http://forums.drakier.com/index.php?c=2
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if you looked under board rules/faq theres a section devoted right to it, but in case you cant find it here ya go
http://vnboardsadmin.ign.com/applications/
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thank you tika =]
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I agree with Drakier and Hazridi. I started out as a "sysop" then a "wizop" back in the old days of CompuServe (H&R Block still owned CompuServe then). I was asked to be a sysop because of the technical knowledge I displayed with anti-virus products at the time, and then with Windows 95. We were there not only to moderator the forums, but to answer technical questions.
It would be good for this forum to have someone like that again. I think Drakier would excel at it.
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This is a community message board, not a developers board. We do not promote any plugin, nor IMO should the moderators be giving advice on technical matters. Thats what the "community" is for, to share information Otherwise - wouldn't it be called "AC Developers Board" ?
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Must bite lip on some of the comments made here.
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What the hell are you talking about, Kestrina? This is as close to a development board as you can reasonably get without being one.
You have developers intacting with end-users on a daily basis on many of the threads.
This is the board for AC Utilities. It is not a board dedicated to support -- although that is what many of the threads end up becoming -- but rather a BROAD board covering the many aspects of AC Utilties, including development, which is why you can find many development and software engineering related posts on this forum. A good portion of this "community" as you refer to it ARE utility developers and almost everyone us a utility user. So why is it an unreasonable request to ask that at least one of the bloody moderators BE a developer?
Moderator attitude is reason I have left this board every single time I've chosen to delete it from my bookmarks and stop using it as one of my general 'freetime' sites that I glance over whenever I want a break from what I'm doing. If you truly want this board to thrive, you should consider Drak as a mod. I know how the VNBoards works, so I guess it's too much to ask that someone who isn't a human vacuum cleaner to the management be a moderator -- but can you really blame me for trying?
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"Moderator attitude is reason I have left this board every single time I've chosen to delete it from my bookmarks and stop using it as one of my general 'freetime' sites that I glance over whenever I want a break from what I'm doin"
Considering the number of your posts n the past week or so, I'd like to see how often you post when you are dedicating your time to this boards
"What the hell are you talking about, Kestrina? This is as close to a development board as you can reasonably get without being one.
You have developers intacting with end-users on a daily basis on many of the threads. "
"A good portion of this "community" as you refer to it ARE utility developers and almost everyone us a utility user. So why is it an unreasonable request to ask that at least one of the bloody moderators BE a developer? "
I think that is the "hell" that Kes is talking about AC Utilities is a COMMUNITY board for those particularly related to Utilities used in the game Asheron's Call; for prog devs and users to interact. IGN has no vested interest in what happens here other than that certain legal issues, and other non legality related issues, are observed. Mods' responsibility are limited to the extent of those interactions. E.g. Chako can can't continuously bait Ghouru with his moronic posts
Same thing for server boards. Nothing in the rules to say that the mods there have to play those servers. In fact in some other games I played, I dont think the mods even played the game, much less the servers they mod'ed. And IMO, and this is something I have actually discussed with Tika some time ago, server Mods should not participate in server related issues, or even those issues arising from server-player conflict.
On another track, directly towards Drak. Why even want to be a mod here? You already have your own site that you can mod to your heart's content This is true for other developers as well. Again, you guys have vested interest in your own programs. Tika and Kes as VN Mods do not, nor should they.
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Bn_Kleenex: one word can sum up why I want to moderate here... passion.
I have a passion for development, utilities, and AC. I have pride in what I do, and I love to share my passion with others. While I may not always be the person to spoon feed people answers, I genuinely want to help.. I just would like helping a lot more if people seem dedicated to helping themselves... that's why.
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I've never understood the desire for impartiality. I greatly preferred having moderators on the server board who were involved with the community to having moderators who did not play or were from another server. Is there something wrong with vested interest? It tends to make the community closer. IGN does have a vested interested in choosing moderators that encourage forum interaction, as it makes their ad hits go up.
One of the reasons for my increased forum presence lately is the end of the semester. I have a lot of work that's due, which means a lot more procrastinating. Heh. I am also at the computer a lot more in general because of my increased schoolwork demands... when I have a choice, I tend to escape from the computer more.
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It makes the community closer, but it leads towards moderators with a bias. In the past I've seen a few mods removed from their positions due to abusing their powers. Something thats unlikely to happen when theres no bias.
I much prefer mods who don't program.
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Bias is difficult to escape in general.
That's why I suggested Drak anyway, he is more just than I am.
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As my tagline once said ... "Bias makes the world go round, and Favortism is the grease that makes it run smooth."
As for "A Moderator of a Developer Board should be a Developer", I lump that statement in with "A Moderator of an Asheron's Call Board should play Asheron's Call" or "A Moderator of x should play or be x". Never has been the case, and doubtful will ever be the case.
I see the logic in the statement, but the reality is such that a Moderator doesn't have to make the posts nor do they make the rules, only enforce the rules that are in place, and you don't have to "be or play x" to do that.
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<< Bn_Kleenex: one word can sum up why I want to moderate here... passion. >>
To make a plug for Drakier, in various boards where he posts I find him to be calm and tend to look at the big picture, and willing to listen to others that make a logical argument. When we have looked for moderators of the Warcry boards, Drakier would be the type I would push to apply for the position.
Heck, I would make him moderator of the TPA forums on Warcry, he just has to let me know.
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"Bn_Kleenex: one word can sum up why I want to moderate here... passion.
I have a passion for development, utilities, and AC. I have pride in what I do, and I love to share my passion with others. While I may not always be the person to spoon feed people answers, I genuinely want to help.. I just would like helping a lot more if people seem dedicated to helping themselves... that's why."
Maybe you're trying to say something else Drakier and I'm just not gettng it, but your passion has ABSOTIVELY nothing to do with being a moderator; regardless of which definition you use. You can have those passions, and act of them as you described them here, and from personal experience, you have done so, without having to be a mod.
"It makes the community closer, but it leads towards moderators with a bias. In the past I've seen a few mods removed from their positions due to abusing their powers. Something thats unlikely to happen when theres no bias.
I much prefer mods who don't program."
Thank You ElGarL. That is actually the exact same vein that I was discussing with Tika, tho not in relation to this specific board or about programming (it was more in terms of being an FF server board mod).
"Bias is difficult to escape in general. "
Bias is not only hard to escape in general, IMO more important to the issue, bias is hard to prove or disprove. Actual bias, and perceived bias can lead to the same thing.
"To make a plug for Drakier, in various boards where he posts I find him to be calm and tend to look at the big picture, and willing to listen to others that make a logical argument. When we have looked for moderators of the Warcry boards, Drakier would be the type I would push to apply for the position. "
Again, has NOTHING to do with being a Mod here. He has done the exact same thing here without a Mod, and I hope will continue to do so... as a Mod or not.
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Is there something wrong with vested interest? It tends to make the community closer. No to the first question, but your second statement is an assumption. I've been to multiple boards, whether it be in different games on VN, or individually ran boards and the only ones I have seen where in there was some kind of close community were the ones where either the members or the topics were of fairly limited focus, and even then they are only better than general sites in terms of being closer to some extent.
IGN does have a vested interested in choosing moderators that encourage forum interaction, as it makes their ad hits go up. Again that's an assumption of outcome. You're assuming an outcome based on a situation that does not exist (VN boards with "active" moderators) comparing it to a situation that does exist and has existed for quite some time now. Do you actually think that no one has thought about that other than you, and if that that conclusion was valid that they not act on it?
I think an old saying is very apt for your statement. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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My 2P,
If you are going to say that Drak should be a Mod because he is an actual programmer for Asheron's Call, then I would choose a person who is not so publically biased AGAINST Combat Macros (or FOR them for that matter).
If you are going to say that their bias against Combat Macros isn't a factor because they are mature enough to ignore their personal bias and apply the rules that they do not make up, only enforce, then I don't think that being a Programmer matters.
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To the new Mods...Welcome
I wonder why a Developer would be better at removing words like <MODERATED> then a non-developer?
Nor can I see a reason that a Developer would be better at locking a thread then a non-developer...
On this board developers are better suited to answer some of the questions then non developers, but that happens anyway and is outside the Moderators duties...
In my opinion, if he wants to be a Mod here, Draiker would make a good one, not because he is a developer, but because he is level headed (most of the time), above average intelligence (remember, average is between 90 and 110 IQ) and has a good grasp on what words are good and what words are bad... that he has some small knowledge of programming and a familiarity with Decal and many of the Plug-ins used would just enhance what he did here.
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Arch: Say what you will, UCM is still against the CoC. And it most likely always will be.
Anything that is against the AC CoC is against the Vault ToS, so it's kind of a moot point. My guess is you would rather have someone biased more closely to your own viewpoints, so you are allowed to continue your pro-UCM propaganda.
In all fairness, I'm less concerned about a Developer being a moderator than someone from the community that is this board. I would not mind Hamfast or such, but many of the big contributers are Trolls (Magi, Gouru, and myself) and most people stand a bit too far on one side of the fence.
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* i am not a progammer
* i dont want to be a programmer
* i make sure there are no violations of the ToS, which is entirely the job of a moderator, nothing else.
* i do not pick the moderators for the boards
* i volunteered to moderate this board as there was NO ONE ELSE a year ago, and have modded it ever since
* i do not have any choice in who moderates these boards
* moderators are picked by the managers, no one else, we have no say in the matter
* why are mod's getting dumped on for NOT being programmers??? it was never a prerequisite in a volunteers job!
* why am i getting aggravated over people baiting me?
PS - Hamfast - you said it best
It's really no big deal - Drak you can have this board if you'd like it, just clear it with the managers, i'll even train you
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I'm a Troll. It's my job to aggravate you. ;D
If I was not Above Average at Trolling I would not be a Troll with capitals.
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"Anything that is against the AC CoC is against the Vault ToS, so it's kind of a moot point. My guess is you would rather have someone biased more closely to your own viewpoints, so you are allowed to continue your pro-UCM propaganda.
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In all fairness, I'm less concerned about a Developer being a moderator than someone from the community that is this board. I would not mind Hamfast or such, but many of the big contributers are Trolls (Magi, Gouru, and myself) and most people stand a bit too far on one side of the fence."
Hazridi, I think you just proved Arch's point tho, and mine. Bottom line, it's better if the Mod is not involved in anyway to what the conversations are on the boards they are moderating. No involvement is better than someone who's on the fence or somone who's a mile away from it.
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Hazridi posted:
Arch: Say what you will, UCM is still against the CoC. And it most likely always will be.
Anything that is against the AC CoC is against the Vault ToS, so it's kind of a moot point. My guess is you would rather have someone biased more closely to your own viewpoints, so you are allowed to continue your pro-UCM propaganda.
In all fairness, I'm less concerned about a Developer being a moderator than someone from the community that is this board. I would not mind Hamfast or such, but many of the big contributers are Trolls (Magi, Gouru, and myself) and most people stand a bit too far on one side of the fence.
Actually I carefully picked the words "Combat Macro" to prove a point. If I wanted to say "Unattended Combat Macro", I would have. There are some who can not, or refuse to draw the distinction between the two, and thus is the problem.
As for "your own viewpoints" and my "pro-UCM propaganda", you don't know me in the least, you only assume you do. I am against UCMing in dungeons. I would prefer that Turbine change the rules so that they allow UCMing outside, but until such time, I will not UCM, regardless of what you falsely beleive.
As for who is a Mod on this board, I honestly could care less, I don't frequent it enough. All I am saying is that whoever it is, they should apply the rules equally to everyone. Regardless if it is a person with 200 posts, or a troll with 45k posts, or a Developer with whatever number of posts. If you think a Developer > Troll > n00b and that one should be "cut more slack" than another, then you have no business being a Moderator on someone elses board.
Again, my 2P.
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Hazridi, I think you just proved Arch's point tho, and mine.
Yup.
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i MUCH prefer modding this board,
quote: As for who is a Mod on this board, I honestly could care less, I don't frequent it enough. All I am saying is that whoever it is, they should apply the rules equally to everyone. Regardless if it is a person with 200 posts, or a troll with 45k posts, or a Developer with whatever number of posts. If you think a Developer > Troll > n00b and that one should be "cut more slack" than another, then you have no business being a Moderator on someone elses board.
I mod on frostfell, where i actively participate in the discussions, and know everyone. I cringe when a good friend swears or baits/attacks someone and i mod them. I dont like modding my friends. To be honest, i dont really know anyone personally from this board, so when i do have to mod someone for a violation, i dont feel so guilty
I do think it's a good idea NOT to be personally involved, there are no grudges held, there is no preferential treatment, there is no accusations of that, either LOL
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Kestrina posted:
I do think it's a good idea NOT to be personally involved, there are no grudges held, there is no preferential treatment, there is no accusations of that, either
As do I.
BTW, I was not referring to you in any way in my above postings. I only have seen your name once on another vnboard (the one which the name changes every week) and don't know you from Adam (or Eve).
http://vnboards.ign.com/_the_hello_kitty_fan_club_/b22216/96514204/
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Woah.. didn't meant to turn this into a huge debate thread really..
and it's not that I am looking to take the board from anyone.. far from that.. but I remember a year ago when there was no one here.. I asked people abotu it then, and I continued to ask. No one ever pointed me to the Application, otherwise I would have applied ages ago. I kept asking some people in management, and they said things like "I'll pass it on" but nothing was ever done about it.
I don't think any of the moderators here do a bad job (on the ACUtils forum), but I know that I'm often on and browsing and see things which need attention, but no one is around to get their attention on it. I've frequently Private Messaged people about situations only to have it wait for hours before anything was done. I realize moderators have lives, and I don't expect instant reactions.. but that is why I feel that it is good to have more help.. the more help the better imo.
Anyway... if I were offered to moderate, I wouldn't refuse, and as I said earlier, I actually filled out an application this time which tika so kindly pointed me toward. I feel that I could be an asset to the moderation of this board, and I would love to do it. I just don't want to cause problems or stir up heat.
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"Bn_Kleenex: one word can sum up why I want to moderate here... passion.
I have a passion for development, utilities, and AC. I have pride in what I do, and I love to share my passion with others. While I may not always be the person to spoon feed people answers, I genuinely want to help.. I just would like helping a lot more if people seem dedicated to helping themselves... that's why."
-Drakier
Great, you can already do that, you dont need to be a mod
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Lord_Anton: I already DO do that.. that isn't the point.. the point is I love these boards, and I'm here often.. I have technical abilities to help out beyond locking/deleting threads, and there have often been times where I've been hanging around and found some pretty bad ToS violations but was unable to do anything about them... before, the boards needed more people, and I was offering... I had offered in the past, but never filled out an application for it because I never saw one.
I just want whoever is in charge of picking moderators to consider some developers who are interested next time a position is open... I think Developers can bring a lot of technical knowledge with them, and can be an asset to the board in more than just a "poster" fashion. While they can still bring that knowledge here anyway, if there is need for assistance, I feel like it should be a developer next time.. even if it isn't me.
As I said.. I didn't mean to get everone all worked up.. and it isn't about me wanting to take over someone elses job, or kick anyone out.. just would like some dev consideration next time... even if it isn't me.
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 such the warm warm welcome here. no i dont program ac, but i know enough to get by when i need to. such is not the point of this thread anyway. the point was to inform you that if anyone needs a mod another has been added to the boards. thank you and have a good day
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