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I'm finding that I just don't have the time to finish this project that I've started. I've had it flagged as "beta" for a long time now, with a laundry list of functionality for the full release that I just haven't gotten done and I don't see getting done. DDO is coming out this next weekend and I plan on spending my free time playing it rather than developing plugins. I'll still play AC (and use MuleTrader myself!), I'm just not as committed to this plugin as it deserves.
So, with that said...
I'm looking to hand off MuleTrader to somebody else. I will continue to host it at muletrader.acplugins.net, and will just give the new dev ftp access to the site and extra permissions on the muletrader forums (as well as the source code, duh).
Requirements:
- Plugin development experience. This is a hard and fast requirement. If you've never developed a public plugin before, please don't ask.
- Real life programming experience. IE, at some point in your life, you've been paid to program. I'm not going to handhold here. I'm looking to pass it off completely.
- Commitment to finishing the functionality I've outlined for MuleTrader's "full" release.
- That you continue to provide me the latest source code if I request it.
- Knowledge of VB6. MuleTrader is currently a VB6 plugin. It doesn't have to stay that way, but that's where it is now.
That's it. Please PM applications to me with "MuleTrader Dev Application" as the subject. I'm going to accept applications through the end of February and if I feel like I've found an acceptable candidate, I will announce who that is on March 1st.
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And thus another game claims an AC Developer.
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I'm not quitting AC, I just don't have time to "finish" MuleTrader. I can maintain it's current status, sure, but it could be so much better, too.
If I can't find another qualified person to become the new Dev, I'll hang onto it and just maintain it as-is.
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I can't take it over completely, but I'll throw in a few hours here and there to make some improvements.
One thing I want to see added is a "MuleInventory" tab or something, so you can upload the contents of a mule to my website again... which will need some updating as well I'm sure 
From what I hear though, the tradebot itself functions halfway decent as is at the very least 
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From what I hear though, the tradebot itself functions halfway decent as is at the very least
You hear correctly. It works wonders as-is.
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I got time Gol.
All my stuff is in VB6 so that is not a problem.
I think about all of us VB6ers are gone 
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I vote for Haz, he has no life anyhow. 1 more plugin would'nt hurt.
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Hmmmm, haz and vb6....that would be fun to watch 
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I still do stuff in VB6, but don't think I could devote the time required to do everything you would like seen done with this plugin. Keep it running, sure, but new stuff would be hard to squeeze in.
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The whopping 1 PM I've gotten is rather underwhelming...
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well Gol there is a small problem your entry requirements are stiff, E.G. 1 decade of VB 6 3 decades of profeesional programming, time as Plugin developer 0 nanoseconds.
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<< The whopping 1 PM I've gotten is rather underwhelming... >>
Probably a time issue for many, like yourself. Supporting and enhancing a plugin can be a lot of work.
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I'd qualify, btu I'm far too busy with other projects at the moment.
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Well ladies, need I remind everyone, that this is the one and only Trade Bot program out there?
If this goes belly up, then everyone, on all servers will be SOL.
This isn't like some little program that tells you the time of day and how many XPs per Hour you are making (no offense), this is a cornerstone of the Asheron's Call community.
As much as I'd like to do this, I don't have the VB6 experience.
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Maddy_ACEDL posted:
Probably a time issue for many, like yourself. Supporting and enhancing a plugin can be a lot of work.
All too true.
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I'd qualify, btu I'm far too busy with other projects at the moment.
I think that would be a great feature in Eltank on top of it doing all sorts of other things. Make a All in One Decal plugin.
That's sad Elgarl. Find someone who will.
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Well ladies, need I remind everyone, that this is the one and only Trade Bot program out there?
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This isnt the only trade bot program out there..
there was another one before this one.. Its just not as user friendly..
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<< This isnt the only trade bot program out there..
there was another one before this one.. Its just not as user friendly.. >>
is that one working with the current decal? because if it's not then it hard to say there is another one, because it isn't working.
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<< This isnt the only trade bot program out there..
there was another one before this one.. Its just not as user friendly.. >>
is that one working with the current decal? because if it's not then it hard to say there is another one, because it isn't working.
Last I heard it was an AC Tool trade bot with no ingame interface.
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Well ladies, need I remind everyone, that this is the one and only Trade Bot program out there?
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This isnt the only trade bot program out there..
there was another one before this one.. Its just not as user friendly..
Yeah, it's great if you sell the same thing over and over again (potions, arrowheads, etc), but completely worthless for 95% of the people who run trade bots, like me, who sell a variety of items.
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Once again arch you are mistaken..
This program Sold EVERYTHING that muletrader sells AND was able to sell multi things of same value... IE gold items.. Muletrader is a good program no doubt but it wasnt the only one.
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the author also had a lot of stuff he wanted to add to it I believe, but saw it pointless since this decal tradebot came out
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Splitting items, and sorting multipule items with the same vaule can all still be done with Muletrader. Gol just has not had the time, and things like that take a good amount of code to work out.
Props to Gol for all his time and effort thus far.
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FX has built a very complex plugin for our monarchy, I think he would be a good candidate for the job. He spends many hours perfecting his plugins. Our monarchy also uses Muletrader extensively. This would give an addtional reason why he would be committed to working on MT.
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Ftuoil Xelrash has done a great job with some monarchy only plugins for us, he has also created some plugins that are open to anyone, includeing The Deep, a kill shot pluging and some others. He and a large majority of people in our monarchy use Mule Trader, and due to that it gives him an extra incentive to spend time working on and improveing it.
I think you should give him some serious thought, he could do alot for the plugin and has the time to spend on it. As the monarch I take pride in being able to say that the people in my monarchy are trustworty and I do not allow theives, scammers in. You can check his reputation or our monarchies and you will find that we have an excellent reputation when it comes to this, I guarantee you he will in no way do anything that will compromise that. If you would like to speak to him or anyone in the monarchy to get a feel for what kind of person he is please feel free to PM me.
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Heya Gol let FX handle this man, he's one of the best at coding in AC right now with the most current programs out, FOG alone is a stand out program that we run in our clan.
on top of this he's a older programer and knows his stuff and always wants to perfect things.
Like in FOG he perfected most things I don't think it has a bug in it anymore.
Again let FX take it over he will make sure it gets taken care of, not many people are perfectionists but FX seems to have the touch of this disease. 
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Gol, just do me one favor, no mater who you give it to, just make sure that they don't do some sort of BS like "You can not use Mule Trader if you have ElTank or LifeTank installed."
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hehe.. Did I miss FX saying he wanted to take over development? He makes one post, then three people post saying that he should be allowed to take it over? Not saying he isn't capable of doing it.. just didn't see him ask to take it over (he might've done so in PM though).
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I sent Gol a PM several days ago.
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What ever happened to Lionclaw and AC Trade? We need that guy back.
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Ac trade was deffinately a great program, however i think mule trader is alot more user friendly, it just needs a few tweeks and possibly a web site interface.
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Ac trade was deffinately a great program, however i think mule trader is alot more user friendly, it just needs a few tweeks and possibly a web site interface.
Heh, my biggest beef with AC Trade was 1) no defaulting of pricing and 2) No decimals for point values. MuleTrader has done both since day 1.
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1) Default pricing works? How?
2) decimal point values cause so much confusion...I watch my customers and they can't peel a bannana let alone figure out how to use a tradebot - decimal values make them go nuts and walk away mumbling. When I use a trade bot and see decimal values, I close the trade nad walk away too. Feature creep at it's worst.
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Gol, just do me one favor, no mater who you give it to, just make sure that they don't do some sort of BS like "You can not use Mule Trader if you have ElTank or LifeTank installed."
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PM has been sent to my first choice, awaiting reply of acceptance.
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*POKE*
No update since Jan, !search has been broken for a long long time now.
Hell, I could have fixed that and put out a new version in under 15 minutes 
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I truly hope to spend some time on it soon. It is top of my list, and nothing else is getting done until I get a release of it out.
Unfortunately, pace has picked up a bit at work, some kind of Beta we're supposed to release in about a month.
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Actual programming languages?
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Actual programming languages?
I assume your talking about Lisp
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Goddess, no. Why would anyone use Lisp or Scheme if he or she could avoid it?
The CLI languages are far superior to VB6. You could consider either C# or VB.NET successors to VB6, since the .NET Framework is geared towards RAD in a similar manner to VB6.
Personally, I prefer C++/CLI to either C# or VB.NET, but in terms of writing only managed code, all three are more or less equivalent (C++/CLI can use the small number of CLI features that C#/VB.NET have issues with, but none of these are a big deal and there are ways around them). I am too much of a hardcore C++ developer to find developing in C# or VB.NET natural, though I can read either language fine... I just can't get the same amount of code flow that I have in C++.
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damn interesting, was wondering because i hear this and that and wondered sinse tod was realease what the majority of the people use to code, make plugins and etc.
Was thinking of trying it out and wanted to know what the majority use.
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Hi Pure.
You want to go with VB.NET becuase of all the new wrappers that were added
to make things alot easier to do in the new Decal.
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What guild did you join?
Even if no one else does, I still miss you
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just an FYI.. the new wrappers also work in CLI and C#... not just VB.NET.
It really depends on your programming style.. if you prefer to code in C++, then CLI would be more up your alley. If you prefer Java like languages, then perhaps you'd like C#. If you really liked VB6, then you'd most likely want to use VB.NET.
They are all pretty much the same thing when you get down to the low level stuff, but the high level offers different syntaxes for different styles.
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FX im in MFW, yea miss some of yea guys, talk to DK every once and a while still.
Well I never programed before, unless your talkiing about the old L shift ,8,*1 and etc days in the old dos, comodore 64 days lol barq's tales was a awsome game back then lol, thats the only things I ever did was make games back then for fun, and try to make lines = out to something can't remember the term its called, was like 15-20 years ago lol.
Now sinse not alot of people program in ac I was thinking of trying to make a few programs I was interested in that no one else makes anymore.
Sinse we are here, what yea guys think is the right route to start, stuff I shoud learn first or start out with.
Thanks again guys mucho lovn.
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