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We're working on it. First version of memlocs crashed horribly.
Trying another fix soon. We're somewhat worried about the new panel, but with any luck it will work anyway.
Anyway, when it's ready, hitting update will update the version. In the meantime, you can pretend those red x's are christmas tree lights, waiting for christmas.
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Kewl.
Thanks for the update.
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You should make an on line version of decal and move the boxes around so we can play x's and o' online while we wait for it to get patched.
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ah well I think I'll just write my own Decal and plugins
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still working on it..
it seems as though Turbine made some changes to the way items move around in packs. This breaks the plugins that use any of the moveitem type ACHooks.
We're looking at ways we can try to fix this without requiring a new decal release, but currently it isn't looking good. I don't see this problem getting solved tonight, so hopefully there will be a better update tomorrow morning or so.
Sorry.. wish I had better news.
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Thank you very much!
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Ok, let the flames being.
Dear Decal guys,
Have you ever thought of putting a "News Windown" in the Decal App, like how there is in the Turbine Launcher? Something that could be fed from the official Decal site and (minus the stupid graphics that are a memory hog) every time Decal is launched, would go out and get a 0.5k or 1k string which would contain text that would give an "official status"?
Heck, you could even make up about 50 "canned" text messages, and simply pass 1 byte between the Decal app and your server and use that byte as a pointer as to what message to display. You could even use byte 255 as a flag to tell the app to download a 2k packet then have that packet be "free flowing".
Things like:
00 - Communications to Decal server lost, unable to get news.
01 - Decal is operational.
02 - It's patch day, we are still working on Memlocs.
03 - Arch Magi smells funny, please ignore him.
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a_m at first glance (as a Decal outsider) I'd say that sounds like a wonderful suggestion.
However, after a bit of thought (several milliseconds) I expect that it would add WAY too much bandwidth to their website what with all the number of times decal is started each day. So I don't expect they'd add it.
especially after I just saw a post on their Dev boards about NOT clicking update on patch day UNTIL a official annoucement as it adds too much to their bandwidth.
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Good idea, Arch.
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I'm going to flame. Sorry but these guys do what they do for us with no pay.......and when people ask for more......sigh. Ty so much for all your work, it's much appreciated.
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However, after a bit of thought (several milliseconds) I expect that it would add WAY too much bandwidth to their website what with all the number of times decal is started each day. So I don't expect they'd add it.
Aye, that is why I would suggest that it appears JUST when Decal is FIRST started, not constantly updated. When you launch, it goes out, looks for the byte, if it finds it, it does the lookup and displays that message, if it doesn't get it (ie server is down) it displays message 00 (for example).
Anyway, just throwing out that suggestion. They most likely already thought of something like that anyway. Just thought it might help with the endless PMs, IMs, Posts about what the status of Decal is.
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agnari: I think you misunderstood what I meant in that post...
in general, bandwidth isn't a huge issue. Its not really even an issue when you have 10K users all spamming the update button.. but it is useless and a waste. I'd prefer people save their time and our bandwidth by not continually pressing update until they see the memloc version change. Rather, wait until there is a post or something made.
As for Arch_Magi's suggestion.. while it is a nice idea, that means someone actually has to write the code to display the news item, and then keep the news page that it feeds from updated. *shrug* not saying it won't happen, but I think there are currently other higher priority items that need to be taken care of first.
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a_m's idea is sound. He even provided a great way to get around the bandwidth problem. I don't care how many people use Decal and how often they click "Refresh" - it's a single byte.
Some simple math...because I'm horrible at math...
Let's say there are 10000 decal users (well above what I truly think there are).
Most people don't click "Update" every day, but let's say they do. 10000 bytes a day * 30 days in a month = 30K bytes.
Patch days are killers. Let's average it to 10 update clicks per user on patch day...some will be more.. some less.... (10 * 1) * 10000 = 100K
Total b/w usage = 130K per month.
So, what, about 2-3 jpg files total bandwidth per month? I don't think you'd have a problem finding a host that would allow you well under 1 megs worth of bandwidth per month. You could multiply my numbers by 100 and still find a free hosting provider. Hell, you could even point them to an apache server running at someone's home and never even *start* to affect their bandwidth. A round robin list would be ideal.
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A_M provided a *suggestion*. And a good one, too.
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I agree it's a good idea, and closely ties in with some other ideas we've discussed (like when starting Decal, checking if newer memlocs are available and automatically getting them, or notifying the user to get them). As Drakier mentioned, the primary slowdown on that right now is higher priority issues (can you say performant graphics?) Once you create a 'logon' contact to the Decal server for news, etc. it opens up the door to all KINDS of possibilities. News, automatic updates and even blacklists to keep chazcon out of Decal.
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arch magi's idea isn't a bad one, but here's something to consider:
in general, the decal dev team does not do a good job of providing status updates. what I mean by this is, you don't hear very much from them until the update is ready, and an announcement is made. so while there's no problem in distributing the information (when an announcement is made, the news travels fast), the problem is that the information is not updated frequently enough.
changing the way in which these updates are published doesn't really do anything to solve the basic problem, which is that the decal devs do not do a good job of providing frequent, timely, status updates. they would much rather work on fixing decal than take any time out to post an update.
this is not a problem that's easy (for us) to fix. we're good at what we're good at, and not good at what we're bad at.
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kgober posted:
changing the way in which these updates are published doesn't really do anything to solve the basic problem, which is that the decal devs do not do a good job of providing frequent, timely, status updates. they would much rather work on fixing decal than take any time out to post an update.
I agree, and that is why I made the suggestion.
Sure it would take a little thought, mainly for the messages, and a little coding, both in the client to display those messages, and in a little "bit setter", but once it's done, than anyone of the Devs with the proper access tot he "server" could run the program, which would basically have a drop down list showing the list of messages, select one, then hit a button that says "set", and viola, all the people who run Decal from that point on will see the message.
That way they don't have to post a status update on vnboards (on about 1 or 20 different boards), their board, etc. No need for an explanation, for the message would speak for itself.
Whatever. I know Decal is down, but I've already answered 2 IMs and 3 PMs and posted several times on Harvestgain for people asking if Decal was up yet. Sure it isn't my job, but I like to help people. I'm just making the suggestion on how it could be done to make a centralized way of keeping everyone up to date with minimal effort for future releases. This way, you do it once, and it covers every update from now until the end of Decal. Doesn't matter if you have a vnboards account, know that this board exists, or even know the address of the Decal forums page (and you'd be suprised how many people don't).
Heck, even just putting the http: address of the official forums page in the plugin might help.
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And apathetic about everything else...
The Agent is going through some rather ugly changes at the moment. I suspect Agent 3.0 will be a completely rewritten application from the current agent, anyway. Anyway, there are still some problems with the update, we suspect some message changes. The memlocs work, but plugins are still broken -- so we will not be releasing them until we figure out what the rest of the problems are.
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What has worked for our allegiance is simple ... partly because I monitor this board, the MT board, and others regularly. If our allegiance bot is up and running, everyone knows Decal is up and ready for them to use. If he's offline, they know Decal is down. Now that may be overly simplistic, but it has worked for almost 3 years now (since I've been personally running the bot at the mansion).
Another thing would be for allegiance monarchs to keep an eye here and the Decal forums - and post on MOTD or as an allegiance announcement what is going on. Last night before I logged, I let them know what had been posted here - and that Decal MIGHT need rewriting. They were satisfied with that information, and went back to "wait" mode.
Arch, you have a super idea, but IMO these guys work their tails off to get Decal up as quickly as they can. Why not spread the above idea around on servers and see if that helps with the problem. A little bit of time on the monarch's (or allegiance officer if the monarch cannot) part would help an allegiance be aware and help with some of the "is decal up yet" posts. It does not take long, but sure seems to put people's minds at ease knowing someone has some information to share.
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Ashake posted:
What has worked for our allegiance is simple ... partly because I monitor this board, the MT board, and others regularly. If our allegiance bot is up and running, everyone knows Decal is up and ready for them to use. If he's offline, they know Decal is down. Now that may be overly simplistic, but it has worked for almost 3 years now (since I've been personally running the bot at the mansion).
Yup, same here, if "Jimmy Buffit" is up, decal is up, and the guild knows it. Only slight twist is when I'm out of town ... like tomorrow ... dang retarded customer in New York, making me get up at 5am to catch a train to fix a simple problem then get home about 10pm on a Friday, digging into my play time.
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New York, Try doing it from Singapore. Well at least the Marriott has high speed internet. However, dont forget its tomorrow there now. So decal still isnt fixed tomorrow over there because its not fixed today over here. Now. If we examine this, its better its not fixed tomorow over there, because if it is fixed tomorrow over there then its really working yesterday over here for us. Got it?
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lol Gouru the game will be dead by then. Not having Decal won't make me cry or quit, have fun staying up all night coding that crap in a feeble attempt to make yourself feel better by 'getting Chazcon'.
lol if not for me you wouldn't know your heart was beating.
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Gouru - please ignore any attacks - you guys rock at doing something that MYSTIFIES me.
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lol this is funny, so you can blacklist people? i know i personally owe money to the coders(as most of us do) but i would definatly send a signifigant amount if you could blacklist my [EDIT] lol
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quoting wickedprince1161
Chaz your a ******* idiot, You should quit. Gouru keep up the good work. Chaz lets see you do the **** they do. You cant so go back to beating your gimp ****
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bala please get a life
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hurry [tos] up
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brain child Yokan at it again...
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thanks for trying
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keep up the great work just wish AC would stop making it so hard on you guys
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Decal Devs you all do a fantastic job. Don't mind these numbats that are cussing and poking fun at you, they are just looking for attention.
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The memlocs are updated, though I'm not sure why I go through this hassle for a bunch of whining idiots.
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Because we all aren't whining idiots. Thanks so much !! )
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You don't....you do it for the rest of us who are so appreciative
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INDEED THX!
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I'm curious... 
Did you install the chazcon decal blocker into the fix?
I saw his name at the top of the Idiot list... 
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gawd wtf people stfu he is doing this for free, have some graditude
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Hazridi posted:
The memlocs are updated, though I'm not sure why I go through this hassle for a bunch of whining idiots.
Not everyone who uses Decal is a whining idiot. Some of us wait patiently and are very appreciative of what you do for us.
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<--- Agrees with Jayna
Thankyou Decal devs
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SweeeT! Thanks!!
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For the devs!! Thanks a bunch!
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<--- Agrees with Jayna
Thankyou Decal devs
Ditto that!
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ty ty for all you do
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Hazridi posted:
The memlocs are updated, though I'm not sure why I go through this hassle for a bunch of whining idiots.
I'm a whining idiot, and I didn't ask for the status for Decal this month.
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Thanks for the hard work. It is greatly appreciated!
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here's my thx 8)
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Yes indeen. Many thx.
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Just got my internet back..... Bala, STFU I'll meet you anytime my lil princess.
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Chaz your a ******* idiot, You should quit. Gouru keep up the good work. Chaz lets see you do the **** they do. You cant so go back to beating your gimp ****
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Hazridi posted:
The memlocs are updated, though I'm not sure why I go through this hassle for a bunch of whining idiots.
Red alert post, this.
I'm sorry you feel this way, Haz, and can't argue much against you. I only wish there were more like you, so you could take a break when you're weary of this crap.
And I second Arch's post .
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