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I would love everyone to start testing this if you have'nt already done so.
This came out FEB 7th 2006.
http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=4501021
I am beginning to wonder if that new directX 9.0C from awhile ago in DEC was causing these issues. Look at the board posts related to it. Started after December. 
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You do, of course, realize that AC has had memory leaks as far back as Dark Majesty ... right?
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Classic Case of: Let's not read the Forum Board first to see if there is already something posted about this issue!! 
This has been a Known Issue... read about it here!
http://vnboards.ign.com/ac_utilities/b5432/94027735/p1/?120
And Yet... There is no known cure.
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I posted on that. I said "Everyone having issues....." not... "everyone I am having....". Maybe you should read better?
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Give Blub a chance, in the absense of Turbine's support, this is actually one of the best leads out there so far.
Now someone with the problem just needs to test it out and see if it fixes the problem, or not.
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Give Blub a chance, in the absense of Turbine's support, this is actually one of the best leads out there so far.
Now someone with the problem just needs to test it out and see if it fixes the problem, or not.
Except for the simple fact that it did the same thing with DirectX 9a, 9b, and the various versions of 7 and 8.
Sure it could be, but Turbine doesn't want to hear it, and they are the only one who can fix it.
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Anything is better than nothing.
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Scientific method makes me think that it's worth investigating from a user perspective, perhaps the problem is in the MS DX9 API instead of the client. Perhaps not. But we won't know until someone takes the time to install the new DX update and test on a system that has the problem.
Long shot I know, but rather than dis the idea summarily, check it out first. Then dis it if the experiment fails. <grin>
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Well I am leaning towards the textures that load....
They all go into memory correct?
What if those were corrupt upon load and caused this called "memory leak"?
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A Memory leak is when something is loaded into Memory, then after used, that memory is not released (normally the pointer to that memory location is lost... the only way to reclaim that memory is to shut the system holding it (ACClient in this case) down...
In C++, each object created with a "new" command needs a "delete" to release it...
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exactly.
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People who have no clue how computers work have no business proposing their idea of what's going on.
Arch Magi is right -- this is Turbine's problem, and it's not related to the version of DX.
C++ emory leaks can stem either from new/delete or malloc/free.
DX surfaces and textures are COM objects and are deallocated from either video memory (default pool) or system memory (managed pool or offscreen plain textures/surfaces) when their reference count drops to zero or the device gets reset (for video memory objects only). There's no real way to leak a texture, the most you can do is hold a reference until the program closes. But that's entirely different from leaking, as the texture is still in a usable state somewhere.
Lil-Blub: now please go away until you learn how to program. You don't know ANYTHING about how computers work, so keep your mouth shut.
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As said..." I am beginning to wonder if.... "
Your welcome though master, I still love you and your crew still. I am sorry this is getting alot of attention and your not.
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People who have no clue how computers work have no business proposing their idea of what's going on.
Arch Magi is right -- this is Turbine's problem, and it's not related to the version of DX.
C++ emory leaks can stem either from new/delete or malloc/free.
DX surfaces and textures are COM objects and are deallocated from either video memory (default pool) or system memory (managed pool or offscreen plain textures/surfaces) when their reference count drops to zero or the device gets reset (for video memory objects only). There's no real way to leak a texture, the most you can do is hold a reference until the program closes. But that's entirely different from leaking, as the texture is still in a usable state somewhere.
Lil-Blub: now please go away until you learn how to program. You don't know ANYTHING about how computers work, so keep your mouth shut.
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Make sure I don't have any time to edit. 12 mins guys. THEN respond.
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I know... an attempt to "help" turned on me once again because of the Decal Devs.
I apologize I don't know how to code, and I am not as good as Haz is. He again rules this world cause he can code.
Egotistical arse hole.
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Your 'attempts to help' would be better labelled as misinformation, random conjecture, fearmongering, or trolling. End of story.
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Your 'attempts to help' are appreciated. You may have been wrong but the attempt was welcomed. At least you are trying.
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And indeed, in the absence of other information, this is an entirely plausible cause. There are plenty of ways to "leak" (in the coloquial sense) other than failing to delete memory from the free store. The DirectX objects are allocated in process, and will certainly contribute to the overall memory usage - failure to release will effectively be a leak.
These leaks can also occur not only within userland code, but within DirectX itself (it the Dec update fixes any, it would not be the first time it's happened). A good suspect are the D3DX libraries, which are effectively just consumers of the DirectX core interfaces, and deal with what always used to be application level problems; any flaws within these could certainly cause a leak within the client, and these flaws could be fixed with an SDK update.
Now, as it happens, it doesn't appear that this is the problem (the preponderance of evidence pointing in other directions). But this doesn't stop the original suggestion being valid, and worth exploring.
I'd make a comment about people in glass houses, but don't really want to start a flame war.
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Dont get your panties in a bunch Hazridi, its harmful to your health.
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Well you have 1 post but I like it as being a plausable cause.
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And indeed, in the absence of other information, this is an entirely plausible cause. There are plenty of ways to "leak" (in the coloquial sense) other than failing to delete memory from the free store. The DirectX objects are allocated in process, and will certainly contribute to the overall memory usage - failure to release will effectively be a leak.
These leaks can also occur not only within userland code, but within DirectX itself (it the Dec update fixes any, it would not be the first time it's happened). A good suspect are the D3DX libraries, which are effectively just consumers of the DirectX core interfaces, and deal with what always used to be application level problems; any flaws within these could certainly cause a leak within the client, and these flaws could be fixed with an SDK update.
Now, as it happens, it doesn't appear that this is the problem (the preponderance of evidence pointing in other directions). But this doesn't stop the original suggestion being valid, and worth exploring.
I'd make a comment about people in glass houses, but don't really want to start a flame war.
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You don't have to pull a HAZ to get your point across. Panties in a bunch is right. I was just trying to see if this could be a variable.
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Well, in truth, I doubt it is the cause, but without more information I wouldn't like to make a diagnosis. The hard time people are having reproducing it makes me lean towards drivers, but as I don't see it myself, I can't say.
The main reason I posted is I'm not a big fan of rejecting any cause out of hand. That, and people coming in, on a high horse to dispense "knowledge" in the form of insults. Doubly so when that "knowledge" is not exactly right itself.
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Regaurdless you were'nt an ASSCLOWN about it.
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I'm just sick of you and your bloody feeble attempts at groping for a cause that is beyond your ken.
It's most likely a problem with ATI's drivers handling out of spec calls to copy managed or offscreen (sysmem) textures to default (vidmem) pool.
That's entirely different from the minor client leak that does not fully release certain objects, which happens for users of both major video card vendors. This leak is not really all that noticable.
And I can guarantee you that I know this TOD client better than anyone that isn't working for Turbine.
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Haz, I am not competing with you.
So get over yourself. No competition. 
I can say, your very rude about how you present yourself and that is exactly why you can't get hired on at Turbine. 
If you would present yourself better, and was'nt so aggressive about your story telling, you MIGHT get a chance working for them, since we all know this is your dream. There is no reason in anyones outright mind to know a client so well unless they have all intentions of working for the company creating it, or they are doing it for personal profit.
Have a fine day sir, I hope it gets better for you. 
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Someone's feeling omniscient today.
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Hahahaha... what makes you think I want to be hired by Turbine?
This is a hobby. I have no interest in making AC my career.
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no memory leaks i noticed ... but i installing DX9c anyways
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Hazridi, you miserable little $#!%, who do you think you are? Why do you find it necessary to insult people at every turn? I'll bet you don't talk to people like this in real life. Does the anonymity of a screen name give you courage that you don't possess in real life?
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No, I only insult people who repeatedly add nothing to a forum and only irritate me over and over again.
And actually, I talk to people however I wish in real life. If Blub was annoying me in real life, I would be vocal about it.
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lmfao @ "Does the anonymity of a screen name give you courage that you don't possess in real life?"
I was thinking around the same lines, but I DON'T think I am better than HAZ.. so I will just smirk on that one. 
Cause if I got talked to by a 170lb dripping wet nerd like that IRL I would probably give him a --> 
Thing is this is a virtual enviroment. I don't have ANYTHING to prove to ANYONE. 
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those of us who know what haz looks like are laughing at you
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Wow. Again, you fail -- not only at providing useful information, but in any kind of retort whatsoever. I could pick apart your entire comments word by word, but I'm not that bored, and to be blunt -- the whole effort'd be incredibly wasted upon you.
So let's recap: I rag on you. You call me a nerd, basically the internet version of the classic children's retort "Your mom." Haha. Not only do you call me a nerd, you call me a 170 lb dripping wet nerd. This is clearly an attempt to imply that I'm a skinny nerd with no muscle, only you fail at THIS too -- 160-165 lbs is not particularly skinny unless you're well over six feet tall, which I am not. That's just my criticism for your feeble repertoire of wit -- your entire premise is a little flawed, as I can guarantee I look nothing like you expect. 
Some people are no different online from offline. I am one of these people -- you are quite free to come visit me in person, where I will loudly make fun of you in front of as many people as you desire.
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I've seen a picture of Haz. He's not pretty, but he doesn't look like a nerd .
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ElgarL posted:
I've seen a picture of Haz.
You know, that is disturbing on so many levels.
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I've seen a picture of Haz.
I remember that pic. That image stuck with me for weeks. LOL
Hallow
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" I remember that pic. That image stuck with me for weeks. LOL "
goatse?
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Haz reminds me of one of my Dev friends from a company for which I once worked . . . Extremely good at insulting others without ever resorting to cheap language. Serious pwng happening here, and from a step back quite refreshing compared to normal flaming! Always makes for a good laugh, even when I am the target. Heh.
Back to topic, sort of . . . you may now all rest easy. Turbines memory leak is a feature. The precedent has been set. How can anyone refute it? Your computers are storing all incoming data from AC in Memory to improve performance. Heap or Stack garbage cleanup is a thing of the past in todays modern world. <smirk>
Firefox has a memory leak, and it's a feature too.
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/ben/archives/009749.html
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What I think many people are talking about however with Firefox 1.5 is not really a memory leak at all. It is in fact a feature.
To improve performance when navigating (studies show that 39% of all page navigations are renavigations to pages visited < 10 pages ago, usually using the back button), Firefox 1.5 implements a Back-Forward cache that retains the rendered document for the last few session history entries. This can be a lot of data. It's a trade-off. What you get out of it is faster performance as you navigate the web.
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Yeah these boards affect my personal life a whole bunch.
All I can think about @ lunch is what HAZ has said to me during the day.
Anyhow, ENOUGH about HAZ. This thread is about the memory leak right? Not what HAZ thinks of me.
Now if he can stick to the subject and stay off the flames we are all good.
Haz. I am done. If you’re going to flame me, go right ahead sir. You win. As long as you feel better.
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I almost feel pity for you Lil-Bub. Stop before you make yourself look any worse, please.
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this thread has been more interesting than any i've seen on vnboards in weeks. too bad, it will probably get locked.
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Firefox has a memory leak, and it's a feature too.
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/ben/archives/009749.html
Please tell me that is not their response to the issue where FireFox can consume over 100MB of memory with just one tab?
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I said I was done.
I value all of your opinions, and will take them into consideration. 
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The cowbell bandwagon passed through over a year ago, you're a tad late.
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Lil-Blub
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Popcorn is good. Give me some, I need the energy to keep going guys.
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