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Don't even need a GUI. And no feature creep, please. Just a plugin to reset the log off timer to 5000 years or so. Thank you to whoever puts this up.
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the idler for alpha 3 or whatever doesnt work anymore?
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Why a seperate plugin? I think most plugins where logging out is a concern deal with this issue themselves.
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i believe several people still use the old idler, not sure if it works but i see it in several of decal exports people post.
and as mentioned something like idler was released for decal 3, but i can't find the link anymore  and of course it's not sure if it still works either.
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the old one doesn't seem to work anymore, the one from decal 2 that is.
but the one for decal alpha 3 still works it seems, download it here:
http://archui.no-ip.com/Idler/Idler.msi
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Yah, Arch's plugin works quite nicely.
No icon or anything to clutter up decal ingame. Just sets your login timer to forever or so 
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Wonderful, I had no idea it was even out there.
Maddy, I guess my answer to that would be, people run a random mix of plugins, not necessarily those that have a 'built-in Idler', and it's nice to have that character on your 2nd or 3rd account just 'wait for you' while you're doing something on another character. It's extremely useful to have a seperate Idler plugin.
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What type of plugin? Give me some examples as I still don't see a need for this as a stand alone plugin.
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I honestly cannot see a need for a plugin to keep an account idle for more than the default 20 minutes.. other than for "bot" plugins...
I don't see why any account that is NOT a bot would need to run an idler, and all the bot plugins themselves should have the idler built in.
so I'm in agreement with Maddy on this one.. I don't see what use an idler plugin would be to non-bot accounts. If you're away from your character for more than 20 minutes, then I think it SHOULD be logging itself out.
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If you have to go out and do something real fast, you can come back IG and see all the missed tells.
thats what I use it for, sometimes my parents have to come in here and check email or whatever, and I can just be AFK IG and still recieve messages without missing any tells
somtimes I just play my ps2 while logged IG cuz no one is on, so I can do that without worrying about logging out
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I can certainly see the utility of a plugin that raises the idle timeout to a very high value whenever you go @afk, and sets it back to 20 minutes when @afk is turned off.
however, I'm not certain that an unconditional raise of the idle timeout is a good idea, though I can't off the top of my head think of any particular reason it would not be. can anyone else think of a reason this wouldn't be something good to have? some way to abuse it?
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Only reason I can think anyone would need this is if you are leeching one account while hunting another.
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It's a one liner plug-in.... 
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lol I can't beleive the responses to this. There is more to life, people.
OK let me try to break it down - I have three accounts. My fighters are on acct 1. My crafter, tinker, and mules are on accts 2 and 3.
Alrighty, tonight Chazcon the swordfighter raised his Arcane another 10 points while out hunting. Whoohoo! I just have to head back to the cottage and dig through my jewelry mule to see what I can equip now. So I log in Blavier on acct 2. I dig through his packs and find some goodies that I can use. So I pass them over to Chaz. Switch to Chazzy's acct. Ok so now I'm going through my critter suit, comparing items, equipping, unequipping, putting together the best combinations. Setting up SortIt! profiles, etc. hey, this bracelet would work, if only I tinked it to Aluvian. I log in my tinker on acct 3. Hmm, I need to dye this shirt. Log in crafter. I might spend an hour doing this.
Oops! Oh hell, my bling mule just logged out, damn timer! Now I have 3 DirectX error messages because he was dual logged. I've been dinking around so long I forgot about him. And I needed to hand him back all this leftover bling...Man, it sure would be convienent if I had Idler running...
Does it matter what we NEED Idler for? It's ridiculous to put up such a stink over a little one line idle timer. What possible rip in the fabric of the universe will happen because of Idler?
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<< Does it matter what we NEED Idler for? >>
More of a want then a need. And maybe to some people it matters, to othets it doesn't. If I'm writing a plugin it matters to me what it will be used for.
Use Castaway, turn it off in game and the anti-log feature will still work.
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I love ya Maddy and I love Castaway. And you Drak, and all of you. Just don't understand your mentality I guess. It's a moot point, I found Idler and I'm happy.
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The mentality is of responsible software developers.
we're taught throughout our professional careers (in software development) to weight the risks and look at all the angles of projects BEFORE writing a single line of code.
It goes along with the cost-analysis phase od the software development cycle.
If you notice, most of the people who disagree with the idler "standalone" are software developers.
I don't know what it is about us, but we just try to look at the whole picture from all angles, and weigh the cost vs benefits.
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One legitimate use for Idler or the like is to keep a character that you're fellowed with logged in while you hunt, without worrying about the timer. I do this to get experience for my tinker and trade mules. It's easier than unloading all their junk so they can hunt unburdened, and I can have 2 or 3 of them all fellowed with my main at once.
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Actually I can think of several reasons, and have been a software developer and have no problem with this.
The argument that "software developers need to think through the consequences of their applications" is a thin argument that is often used simply to bully others into your line of thinking. And honestly a waste of time and just showing how lacking in real life experience many people are. It is like trying to blame the person who invented the gun for every homicide ever committed, which is anal and just plain stupid.
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Knowing this toon... He wanted the plugin to UCM!
He now has it... he has now joined the ranks of the UCM's...
He thanked you for the info...
He will not admit the true reason he requested it... Let's all give the information giver a big round of applause!
If the purpose of this post was not as obvious as it was to me...
OH Well!
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it's not a thinly veiled argument that is meant to bully.
as a software developer or engineer, you should ALWAYS weigh the risks when developing or designing systems (more in the designing and software engineers).
Any software engineer that DOESN'T weigh the risks isn't a very good software engineer in my opinion.
I'm not trying to bully anyone or change anyone's opinions. I was simply offering my reasoning for the questions asked. It is not up to me to tell anyone what they can and cannot do. I can however approve and disprove of their actions however, just as anyone can agree or disagree with my opinion.
While I can think of a few reasons for setting the idle timeout high (most were already meantioned) noone of those reasons outweigh the negative consequences of doing so in my opinion (other than bot software).
I don't see any other beneficial reason that would outweigh the negative impact of this. And I do not feel that leeching in a fellow is an acceptible use. IMO, leeching is almost as bad as UCM is. Unfortunately, Turbine hasn't provided a lot of decent ways to level tradeskill characters, so for tradeskill characters, I have more tollerance. For characters that are not tradeskill only however, I do not feel that have any reason to be leeching XP for longer than the idle timeout allows. But that is a completely different topic.
Back onto the original topic, no one has to agree with me. It doesn't change my opinion. Just as I don't expect my opinion to change anyone elses. I just offer information to possibly help some people get a more complete picture. Maybe I have showed them something, or made them think about something, that they may not have seen otherwise. It's not always about changing a person. It is about enlightening and providing MORE of a picture. Just as I take everyone elses arguments into my mind and think about them.
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Masked_Profanity posted:
Knowing this toon... He wanted the plugin to UCM!
He now has it... he has now joined the ranks of the UCM's...
He thanked you for the info...
He will not admit the true reason he requested it... Let's all give the information giver a big round of applause!
If the purpose of this post was not as obvious as it was to me...
OH Well!
hummm
no
this plugin has no use for helping with UCMing
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hummm
no
this plugin has no use for helping with UCMing
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Toon A is your main char and you are hunting with him. You make a fellowship with Toon B, your tinker on another account and place him at a safe spot.
Case a) you got 2 displays and 2 keyboards, so you are semi present on both chars.
Case b) you got 1 display and 1 keyboard (playing in fullscreen). You are only present at one char.
Facts: your Toon A is getting XP and your Toon B is getting XP.
Case A: ACM or UCM ?
Case B: ACM or UCM ?
I think on case B you can use an IDLE plugin as an UCM tool....
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no
to be UCM you have to be away from the computer, AND being targetted by critters when you heal or whatever.
Just because you are in a fellow getting xp doesnt make you UCM
but then again, ive not read closely on this issue
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Maybe you are right, im not sure:
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"..Use of unauthorized third-party software or macros with the Software may be prohibited in the sole discretion of Turbine. Specifically, you may not use third-party software which allows your character to gain experience points or items by engaging in combat without being at the keyboard, ready to respond to Turbine staff on demand (this activity is commonly called a “Combat Macroâ€)..."
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1) you must be at keyboard. Case B ??? !
2) you must be gaining XP. Case A and B !
3) engaged in combat. hmmmmm ???
But i dont want to stop the wishlist for IDLE plugins. I just thought about the UCM aspect... nevermind...
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<< The argument that "software developers need to think through the consequences of their applications" is a thin argument that is often used simply to bully others into your line of thinking. >>
Not a thin one at all, shows the integrity of the author IMO.
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Jeesh Chazzy even when your right your wrong  LOL
I used Idler a lot when I still played for my buff bot yeah but also to level my own toons on my second and third accounts. My argument is why log in at all if your gonna be afk? live your life THEN play games..........
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Ok, so what are the "negative" consequences of being in game....
1. Uses up internet bandwidth
2. Takes up one of the valueable and in short supply connections to the over utilized AC servers.
Pros:
1. Someone asked for it so it would fit a need, even if I do not fully understand it.
Gee your right, glad we did this whole "ethics" thing about being a software developer.
Maybe you should put your prejudices to the side when "attempting" to justify your reasoning. Because you are so thinly hiding your true intentions behind your argument you are not even starting to justify it.
Yes, developers should weigh the pros and cons of software or items they develope, but they should use some common sense and leave their prejudices aside. If all software developers took the approach I see some of the decal devs took then Linux would have never been developed, after all it can be used as a tool to hack other systems. Office would have never been developed because you can use spreadsheets to computer the hourly salary of your co-workers which you should not be allowed to know. Windows would have never been developed since it is so easy to hack it is just causing long term problems. And computers themselves would have never been developed because they can be used to steal identities, hack into bank systems, and put many of the people who did manual labor in the past out of work.
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Masked_Profanity posted:
Knowing this toon... He wanted the plugin to UCM!
He now has it... he has now joined the ranks of the UCM's...
He thanked you for the info...
He will not admit the true reason he requested it... Let's all give the information giver a big round of applause!
If the purpose of this post was not as obvious as it was to me...
OH Well!
As said already, this idler can do NOTHING to help someone UCM by itself (it wont even override El Tanks 5 minute shutdown, with an idler that changes the idle logout time, el tank will still stop fighting after 5 minutes of no keyboard input) and if you use lifetank, you dont need an idler, it fights for you AND keeps you ingame both at the same time without any other prog needed besides decal itself.
so Masked, you seem to be the one that is reading a LOT more into the OPs post than is warrented 
Most a person can do is stay fellowed and logged in, as long as that guy is somewhere that can not be effected/effect mobs, then it is not against the rules.
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This is such a silly argument.
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so many of you are complete morons lol
i'm ashamed to be called a gamer
i'm ashamed to be associated with you
bizarre backwater of society, this virtual world
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You know what the best part is? The plugin I was looking for already existed, I just didn't know it still worked with the current Decal.
This entire thread is a total waste of everyone's energy.
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<<I don't see why any account that is NOT a bot would need to run an idler, and all the bot plugins themselves should have the idler built in.>> -Drak
What about increasing real-time sworn to your patron for passup?
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Alltu_tru Posted,
As said already, this idler can do NOTHING to help someone UCM by itself (it wont even override El Tanks 5 minute shutdown, with an idler that changes the idle logout time, el tank will still stop fighting after 5 minutes of no keyboard input) and if you use lifetank, you dont need an idler, it fights for you AND keeps you ingame both at the same time without any other prog needed besides decal itself.
so Masked, you seem to be the one that is reading a LOT more into the OPs post than is warrented
Most a person can do is stay fellowed and logged in, as long as that guy is somewhere that can not be effected/effect mobs, then it is not against the rules.
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Assume: It makes an Ass out of u and me
I made no mention about 'El Tank' or 'lifetank'...
I am familiar with the creator of this thread... both on the boards and in game...
I also did not mention in any way shape or form what type of Combat Macro the creator of this thread uses either...
I will mention that ACTool does not need Decal to create or use a Combat Macro... but it will need a Idler to UCM...
And there are at least 3 other combat macro's that are currently in use that apparently not everyone knows about that is readily used by the UCM crowd...
I have never condoned UCM'ing... I don't appreciate finding a UCM in a Dungy either!
I stand by my original response to this thread...
The creator of this thread came in a close 2nd to the top baiters, whiners and trolls who were constantly creating posts on this forum pertaining to the Decal Dev's 'playing games and probably not even working on decal' etc... and subsequently having the threads locked! Go Figure!
Nuff Said!
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what did you just say? lol
you're 'familiar with me in game and on boards' - it's nice to have a fan club. Try not to leave the house in such a mess next time we get together.
So who are you in game? What is your character name? My main is Chazcon, no hiding on my end. Who are you?
heh a mod should delete this thread before it gets nasty in here.
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so you can go afk, doing your RL stuff, and not worrying about the game, and wait for the 3 hour NPK timer
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uh, ya know something... ACTool does NOT need an idler  LOL ROFL
in fact, with 4 lines of code in ACTool, I can keep a character logged into AC as long as the server doesnt reset or something lock up on my computer.... so why the heck would I need a separate idler to keep a character in running ACTool program?
(btw, those ACTool .macs that your "refering" to will more than likely have keypresses in them to do the "fighting" for the character, and that itself will keep a character logged into AC)
Sometimes I wonder if the haters know what they are talking about....
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Arguing over the internet.
Date Posted: 5:15pm Subject: RE: Sure wish we had Idler back.
This is such a silly argument.
I agree.
It's a game and a piece of software... not something that actually harms others health or time.
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ah, but it does keep things lively and helps the ol' post count greatly LOL
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Hey guys correct me if i am wrong. But don't you have to be logged into game so much to get max xp in pass-up? hehehe.
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I for one use it to be able to step away and not worry about missing conversation if I happen to get stuck afk for more then 15 minutes.
Also at times when organizing mules and what not, its nice to be able to dual log 2 chars and not worry about taking too long organizing stuff on one account and have the mule log in the middle of handing him something.
There are several good reasons for it, and not very many against. Its not going to help you break the CoC as people have said. The game servers are not particularly taxed anymore with the populations where they are now, so it's not going to hurt anything.
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well, there's been a fair amount of discussion on this, and as far as I can see the conclusion is that an idle-removal plugin would be useful to at least some, and there's no real downside to it -- no abuse that this could enable that's not already available by other means.
so if the existing, current version of Idler that's working fine ever stops working, and nobody is willing to fix it or replace it, I wouldn't mind doing so.
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This thread is soooooo LMAFAO
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what does the middle A stand for?
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<< what does the middle A stand for? >>
awesomely?
astonishing?
alarming?
I have no idea in other words.
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"what does the middle A stand for?"
If I told you someone may find a way to exloit it. 
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<< i'm ashamed to be associated with you >>
Then why associate?
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