Chazcon
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At least we'd have SOMETHING to use - we are not your guinea pigs!
Live free or die!
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This is ALPHA that means that anyone who uses it is a guinea pig!
Anyone who does coding knows that ALPHA and Beta are testing phases. END USERS like you should NOT try using these products.
Dev's THANK YOU for all your work.
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At least we'd have SOMETHING to use - we are not your guinea pigs!
Live free or die!
You obivously have no idea about software developement
Alpha = You are a guinea pig
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That's what you get for updating before plugin authors released new versions. We lack sympathy =)
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WTH are you talking about? A5b is running better for me than A3 ever did.
Not to mention the new toys (plugins) that were on hold until this release.
Methinks you should just upgrade to Fingers 5.0 and forget Decal, it's SO obviously not for you.
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Right, because releasing a much more stable version of Decal is playing around with our code.
Any reason for your outbursts today? Someone in your guild mention Alpha 5 was out and it works great? The wife, did she leave you? Get beat up at school? Someone take your lunch money? Rejected by a girl you like? Terminal arthritis at 30? You can tell us, man, we won't make fun of you, we'll help you work through any lifetime issues you have.
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maybe he upgraded to findit beta4 when it was first released and it bombed.
maybe he upgraded to findit beta5 when it was released and it bombed.
maybe he upgraded to eltank 4 and it had memory leaks and bombed.
maybe he upgraded to decal alpha5 and now duallogging bombs or no decal.
maybe he upgraded to eltank 5 cause 4 won't run anylonger and it wont install, has errors and two work arounds already.
THAT being said, haz i'm not hostile towards the developers or you as i spent 30 years in the software/development biz and yeah sometimes you have to regardless of the pain. however someone that just wants minor help in finding stuff quicker or easier or a working buffbot doesn't understand the struggle.
try explaining while release 3 plugins worked fairly stable, each new release just seems to add more features and bugs. it seems to outside observers that in the rush to get many new things added, stability of the plugins is taking a back seat. Four should have stablized all the errors encountered with 3 and then new features added to 5. but that's a personal opinion i guess not shared by many.
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I don't think you're aware how many bugs ARE fixed between Alpha 5 and Alpha 3. Alpha 5 is by far the more stable release. You are aware that Alpha 3 crashes when your enchantments expire or you die? That it crashes when you're running Windows 2000? That HUDs use up absurd amounts of video memory in Alpha 3? I find it amusing that you say that you think we should focus on stabilising Alpha 3 code before adding anything -- what the hell do you think we're doing? Do you have ANY idea how many revisions of Alpha 5 we went through but found bugs that made the release not worthwhile?
No decal bar isn't OUR problem, it's ACDualClient. No dual logging while using Decal isn't our problem either -- how is a bug in ANOTHER third party utility our problem? Drakier may be a Decal developer, but the problem still lies in ACDualClient and it is IT that needs to be fixed. We have been aware of the bug and it WAS mentioned in the release notes. I'd also like to know how FindIt! or ElTank crashing is a Decal problem.
I think you are confusing plugin, 3rd party, and Decal development here. Decal development is entirely separate from plugin development and the development of utilities such as ACDualClient or QuickLaunch/ZoneLauncher. Every new version of Decal has many more bugs fixed than added. We are really adding a small number of features, almost allof our code is bug fixes. Plugins are another matter, as plugin devs often upgrade to the closed Decal Alpha candidates because a feature was added, and of course they don't have testers running the closed Alpha builds; they are unaware of what problems spring up until after they release the first editions of plugins that work fine for themselves.
In any case, us releasing a new version of Alpha 5 has absolutely nothing to do with Chazcon, and he has trolled us on multiple forums out of spite. Apparently we're supposed to be yelling at users -- when we actually help them out, it upsets him.
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Contrary to what the squeaky wheels sound like, there is a hoarde of users out there that appreciate the work that goes into decal, and don't mind the bugs.
We are legion. Silent.
Thanks for your work. Some of us know what goes into something like this.
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i was running alpha 3 since it first came out, till 2pm this afternoon when i upgraded to 5. with the exception of loading up 4 for about 2 hours and running into way too many findit issues in 4 to continue. of course i was mostly only running ad-dc and findit or at times ac-dc, findit or sortit and quest-timer and didn't have any buffs expire or death crashs at ever.
i'm not confusing decal 3 alpha 5 with plugins. as far as i know decal3 alpha 5 is rockstable, it's the plugins that are not quite ready for prime time.
reboot after installation and recall to a matron hive (buffed from before installation) arrive kill the first swarm and on the 3rd corpse i try to open bamb back to the desktop, restart open corpse again and back to the desk top.
so something is signifcantly worng with findit's handling of a monster corpse's inventory. I repeated this bug in 3 swarms and logged out as continuing with findit is viable. unfortunately will be tough t find out what is the problem cuase usually by the time you could turn off decal restart get back and attempt to find the same corpse that caused the problem it's gone.
yet findit alpha 5 was extensively tested ok so what is the crash i immediately tripped over several times within 5 minutes of running???????
that's the type of instability i'm talking about haz.
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Gouru does not have a testing group for his plugins, other than himself and possibly his wife. He uses his plugins extensively, so any bugs he comes across he'll fix, but such a limited userbase is always going to have new bugs show up.
It's alpha, and it's new, I mean, I'm not quite sure why you even updated. You had a working set up. If you don't want to be mucking with plugins, I wouldn't suggest being the first line of adopters. 
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Hazridi posted:
Right, because releasing a much more stable version of Decal is playing around with our code.
Any reason for your outbursts today? Someone in your guild mention Alpha 5 was out and it works great? The wife, did she leave you? Get beat up at school? Someone take your lunch money? Rejected by a girl you like? Terminal arthritis at 30? You can tell us, man, we won't make fun of you, we'll help you work through any lifetime issues you have.
LMAO 
Haz, I gotta say...that is one of the best comebacks from a developer since this whole rewrite of Decal began!
I know I come off as rude to you guys, but I am just trying to push ya!
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Right, because releasing a much more stable version of Decal is playing around with our code.
Any reason for your outbursts today? Someone in your guild mention Alpha 5 was out and it works great? The wife, did she leave you? Get beat up at school? Someone take your lunch money? Rejected by a girl you like? Terminal arthritis at 30? You can tell us, man, we won't make fun of you, we'll help you work through any lifetime issues you have.
LMAO
Haz, I gotta say...that is one of the best comebacks from a developer since this whole rewrite of Decal began!
I know I come off as rude to you guys, but I am just trying to push ya!
I concur...very witty 
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LOL this said by the same person that attacked my plug-in status thread a few weeks back..
"Here's the thing: Decal is not in it's final form yet. Yes, a couple Alpha versions have been released. No better way to test functionality and identify problems than to throw it to the masses and wait for feedback. We are the ones in the Petri dish, folks, And that is NOT a bad thing. We have a taste of Decal to play with, and a handful of plugin devs have updated their programs for us to use. Hats off to them, because when Decal is released in it's final, smooth, polished and finished state, they will have to update again. This is a lot of work for folks who have real lives and real life responsibilities.
Most plugin devs are working on updating, but waiting for a Decal release version, how can anyone argue with that? Also, even though the Decal devs themselves aren't on this board to kick around anymore, they are working they a$$ off to get Decal to a finished state.
So shut ya pie hole and be patient."
http://vnboards.ign.com/Message.aspx?topic=93362087&brd=5432&replies=5
So either he has multiple personalities or seriously pulling your chains.
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The problems with ELTank are only showing themselves now as it's clean installs that are triggering the bug. All my testers of course are using PC's that have previous installations of ELTank so none of us ever saw this problem  .
It has been tested under a whole host of different situations, just no one thought to test a totally clean install (registry too).
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Haz, the likely reason so many people upgraded to Decal 3 Alpha 5b is because they use Tank.
And sometime in the last 20 hours the version of tank that worked with Alpha 3 stopped authenticating, essentially those users were forced to the new alpha if they wished to continue using tank.
I see that as a good thing, as you suddenly got a huge base of Alpha testers. <grin>
But some may not . . . I can understand that.
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Chazcon - Your more than welcome to shut up and use your fingers.
Decal is a nice tool, but its not required to play the game.
Maybe your lucky they only coded in locking out bad plugins and not stupid users.
How much have you paid to each Decal Dev? How much to each plugin author?
I think maybe just maybe you've gotten more than you paid for, and maybe you should use common sense and look up the word alpha in regards to software.
In the mean time I hope you get carpal tunnel...
Dork.
Haz - keep up the good work. I know enough of us don't say it enough to make up for the dumb ones, but remeber we aren't all tools.
wubbie - plugin junkie, guinea pig, master of getting decal to BSOD and just hitting the reset button and moving forward.
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This is an ALPHA Release. It LIKELY has bugs. It you have a particular problem with it report it here, on acdev or to the plugin author. Just posting that it crashed , is buggy or generally suck is of no use to anyone. Collect the details, don't just say it crashed; what were you doing when it crashed, what plugins were running. Don't say its buggy, what tells you its buggy give details on how and why you thinks its buggy. Anything less is just a rant and has no place on the AC Utilities board,
These alphas are provided to the public to give us something to work with and hopefully get some use out of in return for some testing information. Many of us Plugin writers do not have the old group of players that used to test our plugins, and many of us don't even play that much anymore. It does not take much to have us just throw in the towel and move on or just go back to making private plugins.
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