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I know for awhile that tinkerbot programs where private. Anyone working on one for general population now?
Still no tradebot plugin (although an ACTOOL script is out?, not that most ACers could figure it out though).
Oracle of Dereth. Many believe greatest atlas like program in game. Why haven't one of you fixed it.
Just like to point out how people were ACMing and etc as soon as Decal was out, but you programmers don't seem to care about many of the non-ACM plugins.
What gives? If ELtank can be released nearly as soon as Decal Alpha is release, being the multi-dimensional plugin that it is, why can't you guys get plugins like sixth sense, bandit sight, tradebot plugin, and etc running?
No desire? Not as important to AC as ACM/UCM plugins?
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The tinkerbot script should be out once they release a new version of decal/actool. There are too many issues with the current versions to code around so the current author of the code has decided to wait until new updates are made available. BTW, the author of the tinkerbot script is also the author of the tradebot script for ACTool, so you know he is definately active.
ElTank does have a tinkerbot function built into it, but it isn't really meant for a good public tinkerbot. I talked to ElGarl about it and due to the way that decal is changing right now he doesn't have the desire to make any significant changes to his tinkerbot portion of code until things are more stable which is totally understandable.
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The reason some plugins havent been updated is because they devs arent around AC anymore. Meanwhile el tank/lifetank are not only around, were included in the first few alphas to test their plugins with the new decal.
Theres a tradebot script for AC Tool, get that? or are you too lazy to figure it out?
did you not see a program called Find it? which is like sixth sense.
and if you read these boards, youd see Bandit sight/a decal tradebot is currently being worked on.
Stupid post, go cry some more
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The ACTool tradebot script is very easy to use. The only real tweaking you have to do in order to get it to work is change a couple of mouse position settings in the locations of the Main Pack and First Pack Slot. Once you have done that, everything else is just setting prices on items and your point system. It really doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it all out, just a little motivation on YOUR part. Heck, the person that made the macro went through all the time and effort to write the whole thing, which in my opinion did an excellent job of doing, and take a few minutes of your own to fix the kinks to your particular computer. (And no, I am not a programmer in any stretch of the imagination. I am just not lazy enough to give up on things so easy.)
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<< Just like to point out how people were ACMing and etc as soon as Decal was out, but you programmers don't seem to care about many of the non-ACM plugins. >>
Castaway is out for buff bots
Evader is out for filtering evade/zero damage messages.
Hush! is out to filter the baove plus some additional messages (and has a GUI).
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Elgar has actually worked on his plugin and he had access to Decal long before it was public. Faile had access as well, but again, I haven't heard from him in quite some time. Same with Mesaten. The old tradebot authors are assholes who wouldn't give the code to anyone and didn't want anyone to fix it, so none of those got updated. Gol is working on his tradebot and it's coming along pretty well -- he's in the alpha group too.
The reason ElTank is working is because Elgar puts in a lot of work and effort into it.
It takes time to build applications, especially something with a great deal of options.
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I'm planning on timing the release of my trade bot with the release of Alpha 5, which we're working on getting ready for public use.
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Unfortunatly Quoting Lord_Anton
Theres a tradebot script for AC Tool, get that? or are you too lazy to figure it out?
Stupid post, go cry some more
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Man I just figured out what a few others were saying about this Forum. There has been talk about this forum.... Saying that if you participate, you will eventually get Flamed by someone.... Well I guess you just proved that!
I have been trying to be paticient and just read over posts like yours, but you just pushed it off the cliff.
DUDE 
Get a grip!!! He asked a question! If you were offended or P.O'ed by it, why not just ignore it???
... a quote from an old wise man....
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Hey, you forgot one of my favorite new plugins ... Virindi Booter. Automatically kicks any number of people (griefers) out of your guild. No longer limited to the 32 that Turbine set up.
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"Man I just figured out what a few others were saying about this Forum. There has been talk about this forum.... Saying that if you participate, you will eventually get Flamed by someone...." -- Bala_LC
That is not at all true. People almost always get flammed on this forum for the same thing: failure to read or failure to follow instructions. Failing to read the stickies or some of the posts on the front page is a big no no with most people here. For anyone who has even casually read the posts on this board, it is obvious that the OP did not make any effort to understand the situation before posting. Considering how many people could have flammed him, I think he got off fairly light. Most people probably are ignoring posts like these.
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Kyuzo. posted:
"Man I just figured out what a few others were saying about this Forum. There has been talk about this forum.... Saying that if you participate, you will eventually get Flamed by someone...." -- Bala_LC
That is not at all true. People almost always get flammed on this forum for the same thing: failure to read or failure to follow instructions. Failing to read the stickies or some of the posts on the front page is a big no no with most people here. For anyone who has even casually read the posts on this board, it is obvious that the OP did not make any effort to understand the situation before posting. Considering how many people could have flammed him, I think he got off fairly light. Most people probably are ignoring posts like these.
/Devil's Advocate on
Well, that is the problem, this is a chat board, not a website. People have this strange idea of actually being able to ASK a question, as opposed to just looking up statically defined web pages with the answer.
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There is absolutely no need to ask a question that has already been asked and answered. That's the general problem why people get flammed. It isn't that they ask questions because you're right.. that is the point of a messageboard... to discuss and ask questions.. the problem comes when you ask the SAME question which has already been answered. (or is easily accessible through the sticky posts or a simple Google search)
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"/Devil's Advocate on
Well, that is the problem, this is a chat board, not a website. People have this strange idea of actually being able to ASK a question, as opposed to just looking up statically defined web pages with the answer." -- Arch_Magi
Nothing will stop people from asking a question (unfortunately). My post was intended to shed some light on why people get flammed on this board as the poster I was responding to suggested that everyone here eventually gets flammed.
*If* a poster does not want to get flammed, they can follow the very simple advice and *at least* read the sticky posts and take a moment to *think* before they post. If not, they are certainly free to post the question and get flammed. Simple cause and effect. I'm not claiming it is right or wrong. That is just how this board works.
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Kyuzo. posted:
*If* a poster does not want to get flammed, they can follow the very simple advice and *at least* read the sticky posts and take a moment to *think* before they post. If not, they are certainly free to post the question and get flammed. Simple cause and effect. I'm not claiming it is right or wrong. That is just how this board works.
True enough, but stupid me, I thought that flaming people was a bannable offense.
And once again, people keep forgetting one thing ... If you think the question is stupid, has been asked and answered a hundred times before, etc ... you are under no obligation to answer it. You are, however, are under an obligation not to flame people. It's called "self control".
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I'm under no obligations whatsoever to not flame people. I don't consider flaming a breach of self control on my part, as it is usually inspired. 
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Oh, I expected to get flamed.
I just wanted to point out that its pretty sick that the ACM/UCM plugins are all up and running, even with the multiple versions of Decal causing problems with the other plugins. I guess we should applaud the programmers of the ACM/UCM plugins. Yet, the plugins that would benefit Dereth as a whole are still being worked on or awaiting for a beta release of decal.
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BTW, another UCM program is being developed now ... Virindi Censor ... think of it as the "Net Nanny of Decal".
/sarcasm off
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Why dont you go learn to code and make your own plugins
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I don't see anything 'sick' about a perfectly legal and permitted plugin being up and running before another. Just because they dont fit into what YOU think should be allowed.
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What makes the original posters question asinine is the fact that:
1: There have been many discussions on this forum and ACdev about the problems they (decal devs and plugin devs) run up against.
2: The antagonistic syntax of his/her "question". (Which I highly doubt was intended to be a real question.)
3: The blatant audacity to expound the belief that the developers owe it to the end users of Decal to release their plugin.
A little tact could of resulted in a topic that would elicit or evoke a number of good responses. The poster chose that tone to result in a flame. The flame was warranted.
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"A little tact could of resulted in a topic that would elicit or evoke a number of good responses. The poster chose that tone to result in a flame. The flame was warranted."
Lets be honest here. Posters who have used tact have been flamed on this board. Posters who have chosen a kind tone have been flamed on this board. Posters who have had honest questions have been flamed on this board. Sure, some posts do 'deserve' flames but others dont. So don't imply that flames are only targetted against those who 'deserve' it.
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Al-Egre_Arn posted:
"A little tact could of resulted in a topic that would elicit or evoke a number of good responses. The poster chose that tone to result in a flame. The flame was warranted."
Lets be honest here. Posters who have used tact have been flamed on this board. Posters who have chosen a kind tone have been flamed on this board. Posters who have had honest questions have been flamed on this board. Sure, some posts do 'deserve' flames but others dont. So don't imply that flames are only targetted against those who 'deserve' it.
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"A little tact could of resulted in a topic that would elicit or evoke a number of good responses. The poster chose that tone to result in a flame. The flame was warranted."
Lets be honest here. Posters who have used tact have been flamed on this board. Posters who have chosen a kind tone have been flamed on this board. Posters who have had honest questions have been flamed on this board. Sure, some posts do 'deserve' flames but others dont. So don't imply that flames are only targetted against those who 'deserve' it.
Al-Egre_Arn;
Reading comprehension 101. No suggestion was made claiming "flames are only targetted against those who 'deserve' it."
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" A little tact could of resulted in a topic that would elicit or evoke a number of good responses. "
COULD, past tense of can. Used to indicate probability or possibility under the specified circumstances.
Second: What was made clear was the fact that it was warranted. Not implied. That was the subject of my response to the asinine "question".
Third: The question, which was called into doubt, was confirmed by the very author himself/herself of expecting and soliciting a flame.
Another quote:
" Oh, I expected to get flamed.
I just wanted to point out that its pretty sick that the ACM/UCM plugins are all up and running, even with the multiple versions of Decal causing problems with the other plugins. I guess we should applaud the programmers of the ACM/UCM plugins. Yet, the plugins that would benefit Dereth as a whole are still being worked on or awaiting for a beta release of decal."
His/Her whole point, was to start a flame and try to make a point in doing so. Succeeded in making a flame (Trolling) but not in making his/her point to the "benefit" of dereth.
Now to your point. Tact is often better than mis-guided ramblings such as these. Yes, people have been flamed for much, much less and sometimes were not warranted. Overall, tact has proven the much safer overall. You don't condemn a orchard for a few bad apples.
Arch-Magi loves to play devil's advocate. While often I understand his points. I sometimes wonder if his bias, against most decal devs (or maybe just gouru, drakier and Haz) due to a philisophical difference in his beliefs regarding decal, cloud his personal view in regards to this forum. Irregardless, I still give cudos to Arch-Magi.
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Part of the reason that the UCM plugins are up and working earlier than the rest is that they didn't use ImpFilter (since they weren't allowed to, more or less).
Since ImpFilter is totally dead, the plugins which used it (ie, Bandit Sight) needed to be completely rewritten.
The plugins which didn't use ImpFilter, for the most part, only required updates to make it work.
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