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First off - I know Decal and plugins are in alpha/beta testing - I honestly do not think they are the problem here ...
A few weeks ago, I created a brand new toon on one of my accounts to hold majors/minors I find for allegiance use. He just happens to be Viamontian. When I first logged him in, I did not have Decal up, but every single time since then, if I try to log this toon on, it crashes the client if Decal is on. Before you think there is a corrupted file for him somewhere in one of the plugins, let me share with you that I have use of three computers in my home for AC purposes. On EVERY one of them, logging this particular toon on with Decal up crashes the client (even the very first time he was ever logged on with one of these other computers). Every other toon on that particular account can log in fine with Decal on.
I use Dual client, ElTank, Make It! and Quest Timers. I can log him in with Dual client up as long as Decal is not on. I can log him in without Dual running, as long as Decal is not on. The minute I turn Decal on, I can't log him in ... I've been scratching my head over this one. I personally think there is something going on with him server side - but thought I'd run this by you all first and see if any of you have any ideas on the problem.
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that's actually a known issue with Decal.. There is something about new characters that causes the crash. Notice how it works as long as Decal is not running? That should tell you something.
Play him for a while and level him up, then try again with Decal. I believe it is something about the XP that causes this problem, but I'd have to look at the checkins list to be sure.
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I have him to level 18 or so now Drakier ... how much more do you think I need to do with him to get this solved? I have another new toon made around the same time for a mule ... and have no issues with Decal and that toon.
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are there any skills or attributes which you've put 0 XP into?
(not that it has an effect, but I just want to verify)
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Yes, as a matter of fact, I've not spent any of his xp yet, it has not been needed. Would you like me to log him on and spend it equally across attribs and see what happens? I'm willing to help find a solution for this (as you know) ... and DO have other open toon slots to play with if more tweaking is needed.
Sorry took me awhile to get back to you Drakier, yesterday afternoon was kinda crazy around here 
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no problem on the delay.
I'm still not 100% sure, but I believe that bug is due to the amount of experience assigned to skills. Something about there being 0 XP caused some problems.. as I said also though.. I believe this has already been found and fixed in later decal versions (possibly not public yet) and if you still want to put 1 point into each skill to test, that's fine.
I wouldn't say you should spend it equally, but just bump everything up once...
maybe even test and see if it is a specific skill/attribute that does it. It could be a singular instance.
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I have another toon created within a few days or so of the one in question ... this toon is level 15, and also has had NO xp allocated anywhere. This toon can log in without any difficulty at all with Decal up. The puzzle gets more confusing ....
Edit: On the first toon (which crashes the client) I took some xp and put it into every attribute, even health/stam/mana. Not a lot, just a bit. When I logged out and brought Decal up, trying to log that toon again crashed the client. The toon mentioned above (level 15 toon) logs in with or without Decal without issue - with absolutely no xp allocated anywhere (this toon is on another account). Now I truly doubt it makes any difference, but, the level 15 toon without problems is Sho; the toon WITH problems is Viamontian. Like I said, I doubt it makes any difference, but ...
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Hmm.. could be the viamontian thing.. I don't know..
best I can say is see if the next version of decal fixes it for you. If not, then we'll have something that is reproable to really test with and figure out a root cause.
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OK ... I'll leave both toons exactly as they are without getting them additional xp - OR spending any they now have - to preserve them for additional testing/info if needed
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Sounds good.. one question you can attempt to figure out until next alpha is..
is it any specific plugin or filter?
does it crash with all plugins disabled? what about all filters?
can you try to pinpoint exactly which filter is causing the crash?
(to save you time, you might want to first start out completely disabled and see if it crashes... if not, enable CharStats and try again... my guess is it will crash then. If not, keep enabling until it does).
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actually, now that I read this post, I had this problem as well and it was my Viamontan xbower that crashed on login.
Logged in fine when created, but when I got the 5 free levels from the training grounds, I logged out to create a few other new toons. When I went to log him back in, crash...
Maybe being Viamont has something to do with it?
Odd thing was I made 4 new characters over two accounts, three of them Viamont. The one that crashed was using up the slot given by ToD. When recreated again, he never crashed. The other character using the ToD slot was Sho.
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Ashake,
just on a lark... and if you don't mind...
you said you are using Eltank, if you look in the eltank folder, there is a folder named Characters... (program files/tank/characters) find and delete the saved info for the crashing Toon...
in the Registry, again, only if you are comfortable doing it, under HKey Local Machine, Software, decal Plugins, Eltank (I am at work and do not have the exact path) again, there will be a folder for the offending character (bunch of keys) delete the folder for that character...
both should be readded by Eltank, perhaps it's those that are currupt and causing you the issues...
personally, I have a couple of smerfs that are working just fine, but I am not sure about the XP on them (one is played, one is a Mule)
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Checking the files you mention was the first thing I did Hamfest - I had a similar problem before (months and months ago) requiring such a "feat" with another plugin. Tank is off the hook on this instance.
I'll have time to play with your suggestion later today Drakier - will report back what I find.
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