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We are currently facing two major issues.
First is the one I expected, graphics. Although we have a basic display in place, it does not handle transparency, which will kill virtually every HUD plugin out there. We have a possible solution to this, but those with the expertise in that area do not have a lot of time right now.
Second is with the new UI, the UI object that a LOT of our memlocs were based on no longer exists, so we need to find alternatives for a lot of the memory locations. Best guess at this moment is that any plugin that used memlocs directly (a very large percentage of them) will be broken even when the replacement memlocs are found, as the way they are used will probably change.
Based on recent progress, do not expect Decal to be available at release of ToD. When we get some of the 'big' issues resolved, I'll post a better ETA.
Thanks for listening.
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Heh, good timing, I just got back from vacation and was like, I wonder how decal is going? 
Keep up the Hard work!
Edit: BTW, Turbine said they were taking steps to make sure decal wasn't broken for months after the XP. Have they done anything to make it easyer?
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Yes, they have.
But there can be a wide gap between 'easier' and 'easy'.
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Thanks for the update, and good luck figuring it all out.
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Many thanks to Gouru and all the Decal Devs!!
*salute*
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Keep up the great work guys.
Thanks for your dedication. I hope many of the plugin creators follow suit.
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Word Up for the Decal Devs
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Thanks 
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Thanks for the update Gouru, your efforts are extremely appreciated by many in the AC Community.
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Thanks to all of you working on Decal.
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thanks for the great work!
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diito, kudos (as in thanks not the candy bar) to all of you working on this.
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Like to add my thanks for all the hard work you folks do on Decal!! 
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Thanks Gouru (and the rest of the devs),
I knew this was going to be a mother of a job, but I'm glad you guys are looking into it and not just gonna walk away.
[Edit]
I was just thinking, and talking with others, and I have a question ...
What if you DON'T upgrade to ToD? Do you think that Decal and the other plugins will still work?
I'm not upgrading all my accounts, for cost reasons, I'm just wondering if I should NOT upgrade a "buff bot" account so my guild can keep going.
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Thanks for keeping us updated and thanks to all the decal devs for all their hard work. Much appreciated.
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thanks for the update and your commitment to the program cuz id be  without  from decal. AC is  without it. will  when its ready. much  to yahs with this huge job.
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Will the people that don't upgrade to ToD still be able to use Decal? (obviously, if it's the same client.exe that's a no, but I haven't heard that confirmed either way)
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Everyone gets the new client.
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Maddy_ACEDL posted on 7/7/05 7:37am
Everyone gets the new client.
Damn. 
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Ug, I was hoping that if you didn't upgrade, I could at least keep a bot going at our Mansion and maybe a trade bot going.
Thanks for the heads up though.
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Keep up the great work.
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as Maddy said.. everyone is getting the new client regardless of if you upgrade to ToD or not.
ToD is more about the updated graphics and the new ingame content. the normal AC/AC:DM people will still get the new client with the new UI, but I believe their textures will be old (not updated) and they won't have access to any of the new ToD content or landmass as was similar with the AC:DM Expansion.
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so to put it bluntly, Decal will be broken for everyone, regardless of if you go out and buy the expansion or not... so don't let Decal be the deciding factor of whether you want to go out and purchase the exapansion or not. Decal will operate (or not operate) the same for both.
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If everyone gets the new client...
Umm, what are we buying the expansion for again?
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Darius: there are NO new textures for the old client. None of the visual "pretty" that you'll get in AC:ToD. Also the HUGE lack of content. There is quite a lot of COOL content in AC:ToD which you will completely miss out on if you don't purchase it. Just like you'd miss out on the Queens quest, or the Pincer quests if you didn't purchase AC:DM. Also all of the items that come from the Expansion are marked "Expansion Only" which means that you cannot have/use those items unless you purchase the Expansion.
I personally think of the expansion more in terms of what AC was to AC:DM. AC:DM was a large content patch basically, which is the same for AC:ToD.. the difference between what happened with AC:DM, and what is happening with AC:ToD however is that they have gone BEYOND just the large content update, and have actually upgraded the client, and textures. Sure everyone gets the new client, but there is a lot you'll miss out on visually and content-wise if you don't purchase the expansion.
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Drakier posted on 7/7/05 9:11am
Decal will be broken for everyone, regardless of if you go out and buy the expansion or not... so don't let Decal be the deciding factor of whether you want to go out and purchase the exapansion or not. Decal will operate (or not operate) the same for both.
I'm not going to buy it (ever) either way, but thanks for the heads up.
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Darius_of_the_Nexus posted:
If everyone gets the new client...
Umm, what are we buying the expansion for again?
A new island with tons of new quests, monsters, NPCs, and sights to see. Rares. Updated textures. Plenty of other nice features.
Well worth it. 
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Augmentations, levels above 126.
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Actually Turbine did two increases in the graphics quality. The new textures and what people see on Destiny is free for all. Everybody gets the first graphics upgrade for free. The high resolution graphics is not be available yet. That will be provided later via a monthly patch only for the Throne of Destiny subscribers.
On July 18th, the only difference between a Dark Majesty and a Throne of Destiny customer is the content that you can access (e.g. level 140, augmentation gems, the quests, rares, the new islands and so on).
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thanks for the update.
This should be a good time for me to trim down the number of plug-ins I use. The bummer is some of the older plug-ins that I like may be gone forever as the developers of those may not update them if they have not been playing for some time.
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I can't believe Turbine actually help to make Decal work again...
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<< I can't believe Turbine actually help to make Decal work again... >>
Where did you read that?
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Thanks for the update Gouru.
I dont expect decal to be out when TOD is released anyway. I am actually surprised to see people still working on trying to get decal to work.
I have said that i will play even without decal but it will make things a bit harder for us crafters. Making the 2000 trade healths and trade manas by hand as i am doiong now to have em when decal goes down by hand is NO FUN.
Just imagine pressing 1..2..1..2..1..2..1..2..1..2..1..2..1..2..1..2..1..2. for 15 hours....not thanks.....
Using make it for now to make my oils.....this is truly the fastest crafting plug there is...
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Maddy_ACEDL posted:
Where did you read that?
That comment comes from reading this interview:
http://ac.warcry.com/scripts/news/view_news.phtml?site=5&id=45879
I've extracted a few sentences and bolded the one interesting statement.
IBN posted:
It’s in no one’s best interests for Decal to be broken for two months after AC:TD ships. We don’t want that, our fans don’t want that. We are taking steps to prevent that.
It is anybody guess as what Turbine did or is doing to help get Decal working for Throne of Destiny. My thought is that Turbine knows what buffers and procedures Decal directly connects to. Turbine then made sure that those same functions and buffers still exist in Throne of Destiny.
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It would be ironic if Turbine broke decal for longer than they anticipated purely by accident.
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We all KNOW turbine is very good @ breaking what they dont mean to!!
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Thanks much for the update. Good job guys
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Just a thump from someone still watching this thread in anticipation.
Although I dont play AC and probably wont play AC ToD, I am interested in decal and development of it for other reasons. Its a beautiful thing!
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Thanks for the hard work guys!
As someone else said, MOST of us appreciate it!
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good luck with all the work that is still to be done
and mostly, thanks for your time and effort
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ooops i meant Bandit sight instead of 6th sense. 
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Arch_Magi posted on 7/7/05 6:54am
Thanks Gouru (and the rest of the devs),
I knew this was going to be a mother of a job, but I'm glad you guys are looking into it and not just gonna walk away.
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I was just thinking, and talking with others, and I have a question ...
What if you DON'T upgrade to ToD? Do you think that Decal and the other plugins will still work?
I'm not upgrading all my accounts, for cost reasons, I'm just wondering if I should NOT upgrade a "buff bot" account so my guild can keep going.
you HAVE to update the graphics to continue to login after the expansion, and the graphics is what killed deal,partly, so no, decal will not function for you even if you do not update.
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EDITAre we there yet times about 40
EDITETA? times about 50
Cant bann me here lol!
They cant.... but someone else can!!
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Thanks for the status report you all are very  supplying this great service to your fellow electronic crack addicts
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nice to see you working so hard. i wish youd just leave Ac alone honestly.. u make decal work, lazy people who ruin the game will come back and ucm caul, lacuna and every other new hunting spot... hurry up, theyre just waiting to ruin the game!!!
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Shinma, I'm sure theres a group of people waiting for Decal so that they can come in and ruin the game.
Just play the game and quit worrying about what other people do. and no, I don't CM of any kind.
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dorky stuff just dont cut it
ever deal with carpal tunnel syndrom?
seen that wrist lock up from punchin the keeeys for hours on end?
get decal!!
SAVE YOUR WRIST
dont do like I did and play stupid and stubborn and screw up your body
or like the geek in the post above who dis's decal
decal=1000 free keystrokes per hour
thank you guys, DECAL really does a body good!!
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this is the AC utilities board. If you dont agree with Decal and various other 3rd party apps then the only reason to post here is to stir up [moderated].
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my friend has only one hand and uses decal so he can play the game I am shocked that the anti decal folks cannot see that this plugin helps the handycap. they are so stuck on there own high horse and there greater then everyone else cause they have 2 hands and can use both at same time. to those of you that want to grief those that use decal. I say grow up and if you donot like it then donot use it and move on and get over it and pick a fight with your mate not with those that are working hard to make this game accessible to those who could not play before decal was around.
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No, we arent allowed to say it, and a mod can edit it or whatever, because i wont.
These people have absolutely no reason to be here except to disrupt the folks who want to come and read about decal / their fav plugin.
"Anti's" as they are called by some really know how to push a certain button with me when they moan and groan about how decal ruined the game and then you happen to see them later in a fellow and their tank chimes in with everyone elses then a report is called for.
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LoL! The thread is for those interested in assisting an update to decal, not to go off on these tangents.....
But alas, opinions are like a-holes... Everyone has one!
Gouru, i'm at your disposal - Although I prefer IDA :P
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The old version of Decal used direct X 6 (or 8) direct draw methods to paint stuff to the back buffer. Direct X 9 has totaly different methods of doing the same sort of stuff and the decal dev's are currently working on re-writing all the display code to use Textured Quad's.
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"May you fail miserably." -- Wylfghar
LOL!
I doubt any post here will do more to motivate the dev team.
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For all the decal dev team:
Leave the keyboard alone, lean back, enjoy a coke (or any other prefered soft drink) and just relax a few minutes. You have earned it
And no matter how long ti takes, right after you made it work again you deserve a good holiday
Keep up the good work, most of us have great respect for you.
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Aloha and Mahalo for all of your hard work Devs. I haven't played the game in YEARS and I have a feeling I'm going to need a little help getting back into the swing of things.
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No hathred or whatever here, no "I hope you will fail", just a message to the decal developpers ...
You have an unique opportunity to disable the combat macros abilities of Decal.
You can make programs like the combat part of elcrap no longer work, while still providing all the other great features this kind of plugins may have.
You can stop irresponsible kiddies who make the UCM plugins from abusing your work and giving Decal a bad name.
Of course they will find ways around restrictions, but at least Decal would no longer be the culprit, and they would have to work each month to update their stuff instead of confortably relying on your work to continue give Decal the bad reputation it has.
You can do it NOW, and it's a one time deal, it will most certainly never happen again in AC1's life.
Why not take that unique opportunity ?
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gouru talks about it here, end of 2nd page at 50posts/page
http://vnboards.ign.com/AC_Utilities/b5432/89017501/
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Good luck Dev's! You're doing more to keep AC going than most would admit.
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Thanks for the link, boneyard.
I didn't read that thread much as elgarl and his fans infected it, but Gouru's answer is, as usual, honest and clear.
I still think it's an unique opportunity to change the bad reputation of Decal.
Think about it, Gouru.
I don't think another event requiring a total rework of Decal will ever happen in AC1's end of life.
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The_Korrigan posted on 7/19/05 6:08am
I still think it's an unique opportunity to change the bad reputation of Decal.
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i think a lot of the decal users are aware of the reputation and like pointed out in other threads many decal users don't use it for combat macroing. personally i wouldn't mind it all, even would very much like it when combat macroing would be removed from the official decal.
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Therefore my point that it is not Decal which is bad, but the use some people make of it.
Decal is associated with combat macroing since easy mode plugins allowing even the computer illiterates to macro appeared.
Remove that association, and only the shiny part of Decal, which the majority of Decal users enjoy, would be left.
And I don't expect those who use Decal to A/UCM to agree with me anyway
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It like if someone get drunk and runs someone down with a car then we should remove all alcohol and cars in the world.pray the lord that some of you guys in here dont have anything to say in RL get a life.
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So Korrigan, explain how you would remove U/ACM from Decal without breaking buffing plugins....?
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Errr ... I'm sure you know that war spells and offensive life/critter spells are different from buffing spells ? I never buffed with Cassius ring of Fire personnally, but I'm interested in your experiences in this matter
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<< It like if someone get drunk and runs someone down with a car then we should remove all alcohol and cars >>
nope, but we do forbid drunk driving, don't we?
anyway these real life comparisons become pretty silly pretty fast, korrigan just posted a simple request, you can agree or not, but no need to start flames over it.
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good god I hate all the whiners, if you dont like decal dont friggin use it, end of story, case closed.
AC will never be like it once was where you had no buffbots, no macros, etc I played in the beta and I played since '99 and all you AC Hippies who wish for the grand old game to return must have forgot how hard it was and boring to actually play back in the pre-decal era. Why do you guys have to bring this crap up every single friggin time? Don't beat a dead horse, let sleeping dogs lie, shuddup already and dont use the damn thing or its plugins , but most importantly.. stop the whining , pissing, bitching and moaning about it, AC of old is DEAD, the newer AC is and always will contain exploits, cheats, decal or 3rd party apps, just shut up about it for god's sake. Play the game as YOU want to play the game, if someone uses decal and say eltank or a combater they will eventually get busted and banned, I turn in every single UCM'er I can find because I hate the idea of someone cheating, BUT I still load up 30+ plugins including eltank for the OTHER features it has, I would not play the game without it. Oh big friggin deal I am a gimp and cant play the game without decal, I never said I couldnt, I said I wont. And all you guys who are statistic dweebs saying that only 25% of the population would quit if decal was broken forever are fooling yourselves (and no you stats police I have not conducted a scientific poll to back up my claim, but hey neither have YOU) I would lose about 60% of my guild based on what they said they would do if decal was not fixed, and we do not have macroers and hard core ACMers either just casual players.
DECAL = GOOD, whining about decal = just plain stupid
keep up the good work decal and plugin Devs!!!!!
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I believe that decal should not support both combat macroes AND buff bots AND trade bots. They have all ruined the game in equal measure.
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I am no fan of combat macros, but buff bots and trade bots have helped the game IMHO. I remember the constant spamming in any public spot - "r u a mage? can u buff meh plz?" and of course the lovely subway seller spam - "SELLING TRADE HEALTH ELIXIRS" "FOR SALE TONS OF SWORDS COME SEE ME IN NW CORNER" etc etc ad nauseam every 2 seconds...
It is so much nicer and simpler for people to find buffs, portals, and items to buy now - I really don't understand why people have a problem with those bots.
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Oh, I'm remembering the spam very very quickly! "/a NE1 @ mansion with critter who can help me with a few buffs?" I'm looking forward to the bots returning and reducing the begging spam.
Hey Devs, I'll take a version of decal without transparency to get BS/2 and the buffbots back in business more quickly . I'll deal with things being on the screen.
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DECAL ROCKS! KEEP up the good work guys. <3
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Hope Its not to much trouble getting it released :-) good job All :-)
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Here we go again people whining about Decal and AC, I am an old school player and I love the things decal offers. I wish ppl would remeber when we didn't have decal and had to manually buff all the time, or had to buff ppl in the fellows or guild you were in to be able to hunt. Decal is a great program that allows tank to run and auto heal fellows while I am still able to hunt without being worried weather or not a friend of mine will die in vod. I don't have to watch peoples stam , health, or mana anymore. The question I got to put forward is how many of these whiners out there have had there butts saved by programs like El Tank ?
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Thanks for pointing to the roots of the problem, monstermadness. Which is that many people don't even know how to kill a drudge slinker without eltank.
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good god I hate all the whiners, if you dont like decal dont friggin use it, end of story, case closed.
AC will never be like it once was where you had no buffbots, no macros, etc I played in the beta and I played since '99 and all you AC Hippies who wish for the grand old game to return must have forgot how hard it was and boring to actually play back in the pre-decal era. Why do you guys have to bring this crap up every single friggin time? Don't beat a dead horse, let sleeping dogs lie, shuddup already and dont use the damn thing or its plugins , but most importantly.. stop the whining , pissing, bitching and moaning about it, AC of old is DEAD, the newer AC is and always will contain exploits, cheats, decal or 3rd party apps, just shut up about it for god's sake. Play the game as YOU want to play the game, if someone uses decal and say eltank or a combater they will eventually get busted and banned, I turn in every single UCM'er I can find because I hate the idea of someone cheating, BUT I still load up 30+ plugins including eltank for the OTHER features it has, I would not play the game without it. Oh big friggin deal I am a gimp and cant play the game without decal, I never said I couldnt, I said I wont. And all you guys who are statistic dweebs saying that only 25% of the population would quit if decal was broken forever are fooling yourselves (and no you stats police I have not conducted a scientific poll to back up my claim, but hey neither have YOU) I would lose about 60% of my guild based on what they said they would do if decal was not fixed, and we do not have macroers and hard core ACMers either just casual players.
DECAL = GOOD, whining about decal = just plain stupid
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PizzBoy I couldn't have said it better!!!
Now for you morons that call El Tank a combat macro you are truely showing how ignorant you really are. El Tank cannot run for more than 5 mins without keyboard entry!!!! It has been this way for a long time!!! What you are seeing for combat macro's is AC Macro!!! This can run without Decal but does have a plugin to use with Decal. El Tank has nothing to do with AC Macro's and programs like that are condemed by the author of El Tank. So if your going to pick on a plugin before you open your mouth I suggest you find out what the real plugin is!!!
As far as buff bot's go I do think they have damaged the game. But the cow is out of the barn so it's too late to close the door.
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Right on PIZZ !!!
I mean COME ON Whiners, give it a rest. You aren't going to do or say anything that is going to make a difference anyway. I am quite sure that there are tons MORE people that WANT Decal, ElTank and all the other plug-ins that may still be alive after this expansion, than there are you that do not! These guys that are trying to develop the new version don't need to see your stupid little child-like attitudes and whinings. All you are doing is wasting space on the server anyway. You don't like Decal or tank or any of the other add ons? DON'T USE THEM. For that matter, if you hold this attitude, DON'T PLAY AC! Just Go away. I assure you that we will NOT miss you. I hate whiners.
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"Now for you morons that call El Tank a combat macro you are truely showing how ignorant you really are. El Tank cannot run for more than 5 mins without keyboard entry!!!!"
Someone is displaying their ignorance, it's just not who you seem to think, valkoor.
People use things like ACkeepalive to manage those demanding keypresses every 5 minutes.
Even the people that are watching ElTank play for them are using it as an Attended Combat Macro... which surely meets the defintion of combat macro.
Sheesh, maybe get a monkey to write your next post for you.
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<< wow.. this is still going on? >>
a "good" decal discussion never ends
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Hey Drak Some things never die, they just stink like they did. You know...kinda like the attitudes of the nay sayers of our beloved Decal and Tank and the other things that obviously make their world a miserable place to live in.
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i think a lot of the decal users are aware of the reputation and like pointed out in other threads many decal users don't use it for combat macroing. personally i wouldn't mind it all, even would very much like it when combat macroing would be removed from the official decal.
I believe the above quote shows that most people dont even really know what decal really does.
I would love it if they would explain to me how you combat macro with "DECAL". Its only an interface for plugins. It handles the calls between the plugins an the game. Its like blaming a car for having an accident.
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First, I like decal and never use it to UCM / ACM. I do not use ElTank. I do enjoy the buffing / mapping / xp tracking / Quest tracking and other informational tools.
MonsterMadness,
It strikes me that you are missing the entire point of AC.
Korigan,
As much as I do understand how Combat Macros have affected AC I do not believe that the vast majority of decal users use it for ACM / UCM. Decal is a valuable tool and as the Decal CoE states (paraphrased). It would be a shame to not have the vast good it can do because of a minor evil.
In every game there will be the D00d factor.
In every game there will be the powerlevelers.
In every game there will be zealots on every side.
In every game there will be macro's and exploits.
Guess what. Live with it or go back to pong.
As for monstermadness you may want to turn off Eltank and actually learn to play AC under intense combat and stress. It's way more fun.
As for me, I just want to know how to get places without remembering all those damn portals.
Edit: Forgot to say thanks to the Decal Dev's for all thier hard work. Thanks!
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Ok I have no clue why you think I got it all wrong, for another I don't use tank to combat macro I use it to heal me in intense situations. More to the point I use it in buff mode only. Also I like tank for the fact that it finds uber loot for me and tracks portals.
PS: FYI I have been playing this game since retail before Decal tank or any plugins. I know how to play AC without the help of these programs.
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Kill it! kill it for good! /evil laugh..
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Then my aplogies monster. My comments came about your comments on the usage of tank to heal others while in combat. I see this happen all the time as people use ElTank to fight for them. I even FEEL dirty being healed by that system.
Automated SELF buffing / tracking / selling / etc I am all for but I just find it silly that people use a bot to actually hunt.
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Gouru, Drakier, Paradox, Hazridi, and others that I have Missed.. I first wanted to Say thank you for all your Hard work and hope to have my Decal Back soon. on that subject can we get a Paypal link like we did last time it was broke hard and everyone that wanted to donated? Hopefully you all had fun at the ACPL with the Donations last time.
I for one would love to donate to the Decal Dev's for thier hard work and time seeing as how alot of them no longer even play and are gracious enough to even think about us.. Thank you. I know you are not required to update Decal but I would hope that you would want to. You have many people out there that Love you and the work that you do. Thank you. AC wouldnt have kept me playing as long as I have without the many Plugin's that I love.
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If I follow the threads correctly, then the biggest current Decal issue is in fact a paint on issue and not a decode/datastream issue - is that essentially correct?
Decal as such could still do a lot of things if it didn't have to have a user interface?
For example, Bandit Sight has to be configured out of game and then the profile loaded in game.
Could Decal be set to operate in a similar manner?
$Decal Buff in chat could launch a self buffbot for example.
When ElTank is running in buffbot mode and has been set up, does it truly need an interface?
$Decal Buffbot
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its more than just that.
we still have some memloc and compatibility issues.
currently drawing is of course our biggest hurdle, but by far not the only hurdle.
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This would require that the plugins all have their display code removed, and modified to work with a command line interface.
Time spent modifying Decal to support non-UI scenarios is time not being spent on making it work.
Ain't gonna happen.
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I am anti El-Tank myself, however the more high health enemies that get put in the game that require 40 repeated pressings of 4 4 4 4 4 (my war spell), the more attractive it becomes to use a macro like El-Tank to do the mind numbing combat for me so I can at least chat with friends. I envy melees/archers their autoattack ability
Anyway, here's hoping Decal gets back up soon so I can get my filtered chat and buffing back!
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Over the last couple of days, and I will note that I have also been guilty of this, we have innudated this thread with CRAP that has basically nothing to do with what this thread is about. Whether we like or dont like different things about decal has absolutely NOTHING to do with this thread topic.
I have been religiously checking this thread several times a day and have to read thru much drivel of which I even contributed to and am now sorry, about this and that which is irrelivant.
It would be much easier, at least for me, to only really see posts in here about the Throne of Destiny - Decal update and what the status of that is. That way I can check the thread, see there is nothing new on the update and move on to other business.
Thanks folks
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here is something I could not find on the boards. I seem to remember that before decal, there was a buffing program that worked ok. I would like to get magda up and running on td asap, does anyone remember the name of that program, and if it would still work?
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Elminster.. there were originalyl some ideas floating around for adding in a Mage auto-attack similar to Melee/Archer.. this was of course a plugin and not into the actual game system, but still...
I believe Gouru might even be able to do this with Einstein if asked nicely. I think it would definately be a viable alternative. Melee/Archer have repeat-attack.. why not mages? You'd still have to press the button to START the attacks, so it wouldn't be a macro, but would be a playing aid. You can get banned for UCM on an Archer/Melee that way, so a Mage should be no different
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should also add auto target for mages since melee have it.
then vital management should be considered too since a mage is going to die a lot easier with no mana then a melee with no stamina.
Then you have nearly the same thing as tank, but using a different key to start it.
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should also add auto target for mages since melee have it.
then vital management should be considered too since a mage is going to die a lot easier with no mana then a melee with no stamina.
Then you have nearly the same thing as tank, but using a different key to start it.
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I'm all for adding playstyle equality and stuff between classes, but that is a little overboard. Melee/Archers do NOT get any vitals management through the standard AC interface. What they DO get is "repeat-attack" and "select next target". Both of those items I could agree with being added either through AC itself or through a Decal plugin. Vitals management is a whole different can of worms. Also.. the difference between Tank and a repeat-attack is that once you "start" tank, it goes forever (within 5 minutes I guess) and can kill multiple monsters. With a Repeat-Attack, it only kills ONE single creature. After that creature is dead, you must press "Attack" again in order for it to attack that creature. The SAME thing a Melee/Archer already have in the game.
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True...that was meant to take it too far. But I see that being a problem, maybe more at lower levels then high where once your low on mana and still have low mana conversion, you will fizzle yourself to the lifestone. That is likely why it will not be put into the client. But then lets say it was. How do you break out of the repeated attacks? Break the animation like melee? Bet we hear more complaints on this matter since you couldn't use repeated attack in PK combat as effectivly.
I also would love to see the client be able to auto select target for both. And I wish we could have the choice between Select Nearest Monster and Last Attacker for the auto target rather then just Last Attacker. I find Last Attacker do near as good a job as manually selevting the nearest each time.
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should also add auto target for mages since melee have it.
yes, im having trouble clicking on a dot on the radar screen. have to click 5-6 times before the cre/player is targeted
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Is there any kind of ETA on when Decal will be up and running olny want a rough estemeant
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Bzzzzzt!!
Nope, no eta, not going to be an eta. It will happen when it happens.
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I think Im with Hollow on the idea of just leaving this thread for ToD - Decal updates and maybe moving the whole "why must there be shades of grey in the world" thing to AC Friends where it belongs?
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God I miss auto buffing 8| I really suck at making spell bars.
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Carefull what you wish for with auto target and repeat attack. My melees have been dragged to places they did not really want to go because of it.
Example, fighting in a tisker or olthoi dungeon where spawns are a bit heavy at times. You fight in a corner to not get hit as much, but the way things rubber band around, my melee can get pulled away from the corner and start getting hit in the back because repeat attack pulled me towards the current target.
Then there is the always annoying bug when the creature decides to return to its original spawn point and you can no longer attack at all.....
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I think the full funtionality of Einstein should be brought back.
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I agree 100%...pocket mage was very useful! I like to hunt with 2 accounts at once when I am not in a fellow. That way I have my mage power house and melee, that combo works very nice. I would be doing it on 2 computers right next to each other and very easily respond...I wouldn't be unattended is what I am getting at. I like to play, not watch, lol...
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<< Carefull what you wish for with auto target and repeat attack. My melees have been dragged to places they did not really want to go because of it. >>
Only because melees have to be within melee range to attack, no worries about that with mages or archers.
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If you play and not watch the computer, what is stopping you from performing your pocket mage without decal? I suspect you are letting your computer play your mage. What I'm getting at is don't be ashamed and try to qualify your style of play if you prefer to play your melee and have an AI run mage henchman tag along.
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LOL, I am not ashamed, if I play my melee with no magic, then yes I prefer to have a mage with me. Whether it be my other account automated or another toon...IBN has allready stated that that type of game play is not against the COC, IF you are at the keyboard and ready to respond.
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A minor cleanup of this board has been performed... please see posts/threads by actual Decal developers (Gouru, Drakier, Hazridi, etc.) for updates on Decal, rather than posting new threads about it. They are more likely to give Decal status updates on their own threads - or as new threads - rather than replying to all the different question/status threads that are posted by others.
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True Maddy, but then with archers you may be shooting at an unhittable target (too far or obstruction in the way). A mage war spell will end up hitting a creature in the way and doing damage I beleive, but the possibility of firing off into a wall or an obstruction and wasting a spell or two is still there?
Won't happen all the time, but is annoying when it does.
The bigger annoyance is the inability to attack when the creatures warps back to its original spawn. Imagine that hapenning to a mage and rending him unable to cast (especially if that includes healing spells)....
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QUOTE!! **God I miss auto buffing 8| I really suck at making spell bars.**
me too!!
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i dont know if this is easier but making a program that runs the decal outside of the graphics in game.. for people that run in window mode they could have a decal like box on the side to run the stuff that would normal be in the screen in the game. just a thought?
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it doesn't work like that. sorry.
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Everyone knows the only way Decal can operate is on the tears of angels and the souls of the damned.
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First thanks so much to the developers for all the hard work. Your efforts are not just to make the game easier to play for the able. I,ve been a gamer since there was video games , build my first kit puter in 1975. Had massive stroke year and a half ago. When i woke up half my body wouldn,t work and i couldn,t speak. The game helped me came back from the near dead. I had played 2 years when i had the stroke.Afterwards taking my left arm and moving my right, I slowly tryed to play the game and knew nothing of decal.After many months of 8 hrs or more forceing myself to keep trying slowly i,ve got better. Not well but better. I used to play guitar well and sing, now i play some and no singing voice left. But I discovered decal and plugins and asheron became fun once again. I can play my old melee dragon ballz (level 152),but i cant play my mage(level 128), now decals down and i hope you guys remember one thing.
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Dragon I agree...if it weren't for Decal, Robo-chef and Infinity I probably would of had to leave AC long ago...I tend to play long hours...before Decal I was lucky to play 3 or 4 hrs and miss 2 days cause of excessive swelling/pain in my hands and wrists...so even though many are against and many who abuse Decal there are many who really rely on it and use it for what it was intended to be...an aide to AC.
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LOL I know this is getting old and I bet the devs are tired of hearing it BUT is there any idea or ETA at all on when decal will be operational again???
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After all the activity the last few days, a new thread is probably in order.
Thanks guys for putting the effort in getting decal working again. Despite the very small minority of thankless players that expect you to do it (and they all seem to be drawn to the VN Boards), the majority of us know this is extra work that, for the most part, is over and above your other hobbies and responsibilities.
Thanks again and hopefully a quick solution is coming!
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LOL I know this is getting old and I bet the devs are tired of hearing it BUT is there any idea or ETA at all on when decal will be operational again???
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Then why did you ask? If you know we're tired of hearing it, and it is getting old, then what makes you think we want to hear it again?
The answer is the same now as it has ALWAYS been. We have NO ETA. We will not ever have an ETA. Please stop asking. Tell all your friends to stop asking. Make sure that everyone you know who plays AC knows to stop asking for an ETA.
The ETA is whenever it is ready. If we had an ETA, believe me, we would have posted it by now. When it's ready, or when we have an ETA, it will be posted. Until then, just wait. Asking about it only makes us post these posts and waste even more time dealing with people asking us the same questions over and over again. Granted I wasn't actually working on Decal right now anyway, so it doesn't detract THAT much, but it does take time which I'd rather not have to spend answering yet another ETA post.
You may ask "well then why did you answer it?"... the reason I answered it is because the word needs to be spread to stop asking for an ETA. As a Decal Dev, I'm officially saying... STOP ASKING FOR AN ETA!
This goes for now, and for later. NEVER ask a Decal Dev for an ETA on anything Decal related. If we know, you'll know. That's the way we work.
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ETA?
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OK I WILL STOP ASKING !!!!!!!
But all you really had to say is would you please not ask about and ETA anymore we will let you know when we know. Also would you let your friends in AC know this also TY!!
See how easy it is to be nice? LOL
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ETA?
No! Chocolate truffle approaching... Open wide 
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OK I WILL STOP ASKING !!!!!!!
But all you really had to say is would you please not ask about and ETA anymore we will let you know when we know. Also would you let your friends in AC know this also TY!!
See how easy it is to be nice? LOL
You have to realize where he is coming from. Everytime there has been a big enough change in AC that broke decal requiring more than just locating memlocs, people post on the boards asking for an ETA. Over time, it begins to wear on those being asked. Hell, even when the only changes were memloc related, the boards would be loaded with posts asking for an ETA.
That being said, I think he was very nice in his post, considering the many ways he could've worded it.
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Heh! I would chip in for a month worth of pizza.... but after reading this huge thread I agree with some things:
I wish there was a way to stop "UCM" and only allow "ACM" at least to shut up the whiners that can't play the game without automation. I am playing the game just fine without Decal, but miss it terribly...
Why?
Time! I have a life and can't play AC for 8 hours straight, but my 1-3 hours I get is precious to me and if Decal can speed up the loot identification and buffing my character process, then it makes me happy. I don't want to remember what spell I left off at so now I have revit/S2M on a different bar so when I flop bars, the other bar does not lose my position and allows me to continue buffing from that point.
I find a lot of my time is reading the description of every loot item I find and that slows me up. (Thank god for BS/2 and sixth sense)
Buffing with NB2 bootleg is great, even if that failed there is still sapphire or Infinity to fill that gap. Once again:
Decal = Time saved
For those of us who aren't in-game 24/7
Thanks Decal Devs (because I am one of you, I have 2 personal plug-ins written that I use myself)
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Pokuto, Decal Devs develop Decal, not necessarily plug-ins, havign two plug-ins makes you a plug-in dev :^)
I suspect that if a Decal dev were mod here people asking when will it be ready would have a nice vacation :^)
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ever sit in a car with a bunch of kids on a long trip.
are we there yet
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are we there yet
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are we there yet
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are we there yet
STFU!
same thing here.
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Are we really not there yet?
From the father of five who always started trips at 9:00 P.M.
And a large thermos of coffee......but it was quiet.
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/e giggles we had 5 too and yes all trips started at 9 PM 
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Every time someone asks for an ETA what they are really saying is "I LOVE U DECAL MAKERS I HAVE A HUGE MAN KRUSH ON U!!!!!" so don't sweat it. Yes. They ask because they love you.
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hope you guys get this cranked out....this game is useless without decal
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I say we all keep asking for an ETA. I think we should also find all the other hot buttons we can push that piss the Decal Devs off. Hopefully we piss them off enough they give up.
In the end they will feel better if they use this opportunity to do what is right and not release their game destroying hack again.
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I repeat:
Havn't you been disowned yet?
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I once saw a saying that went something like this:
"You can never convince/defeat a Fanatic
They Care, you don't
Therefore they win"
Anything else is just beating yourself up
A gun is just a tool
It doesn't become a weapon until someone picks it up.
Thank You to ALL Decal and plug-in developers for
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Gamemaster1121 posted on 7/21/05 11:42pm
I repeat:
Havn't you been disowned yet?
You have to be loved AND wanted to be disowned....
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<< But all you really had to say is would you please not ask about and ETA anymore we will let you know when we know. >>
of course they didn't indicate that a 100 times before already.
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game destorying hack??!?! LOL
yea this game was sooo much better when you would portal into Subway to be bombared with 1231231231 lines of spam.
AC trade bot is such a game destroying hack. /scarcasm off.
AC tinker bot is such a game destorying hack too /scarcasm off.
get off the High and mighty trip.
oh and Sweetmary, evading a ban is bad. good bye again.
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Heh! I would chip in for a month worth of pizza.... but after reading this huge thread I agree with some things:
I wish there was a way to stop "UCM" and only allow "ACM" at least to shut up the whiners that can't play the game without automation. I am playing the game just fine without Decal, but miss it terribly...
Why?
Time! I have a life and can't play AC for 8 hours straight, but my 1-3 hours I get is precious to me and if Decal can speed up the loot identification and buffing my character process, then it makes me happy. I don't want to remember what spell I left off at so now I have revit/S2M on a different bar so when I flop bars, the other bar does not lose my position and allows me to continue buffing from that point.
I find a lot of my time is reading the description of every loot item I find and that slows me up. (Thank god for BS/2 and sixth sense)
Buffing with NB2 bootleg is great, even if that failed there is still sapphire or Infinity to fill that gap. Once again:
Decal = Time saved
For those of us who aren't in-game 24/7
Thanks Decal Devs (because I am one of you, I have 2 personal plug-ins written that I use myself)
You should read a few posts above yours and then multiply that by some for those that don't post here before you condemn someone who uses an ACM function
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Sweet Mary, I got one question?
WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM???????????
You have some SERIOUS issues and should REALLY seek some professional help. You come off as being some sort of complete psycho!! Are you really that unhappy with yourself that the only way you can find solice is to attempt to make others as miserable as yourself???
Go away!! We don't want you. Never have... Never will...
We want to have fun, play a game (any frigging way that each individual enjoys it) and just get lost in another world for a while.
Stop bringing people down...
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Prodigus posted:
Sweet Mary, I got one question?
WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM???????????
She needs more "protein" in her diet.
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*chuckles*
Bad decal devs  Game destroying hack you're releasing onto all of us. Shame on thou! 
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Sm is back to provide more modivation to the deecal dev's, cool :^)
Of course then I have read her .... writing, uncool.
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"I once saw a saying that went something like this:
"You can never convince/defeat a Fanatic
They Care, you don't
Therefore they win" "
That would be from "Life, the Universe, and Everything" in the Hitchhiker's Guide series
SM wants something that will never happen. So just ignore her, why even respond? It's not like if you don't respond, the decal devs are going to think "golly, everyone must hate decal! Let's stop developing it, ok guys?!"
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There is really no reason to get into Sweet Mary bashing. She creates an evade account. Makes one post. Gets banned again. Best thing to do is just ignore her posts. If that is not possible, check to see if her profile is on-line. If it is on-line, annoy a mod.
In this case, she got one post before a mod got her.
Remember, her purpose is to create an emotional response by stirring up trouble. Shunning or ignoring her is the most effective solution.
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SweetMary.. asking for an ETA is just irritating. It isn't going to stop us developing Decal... never has, never will. You can ask for an ETA as much as you'd like, and it wouldn't hinder our abilities to release Decal. It might be overly annoying, but other than that, would do nothing.
I think you also forget, we can choose to ignore if we wanted to. If we saw you and your 3 followers spamming us with ETA requests, we'd just simply ignore them. The only reason I have been responding to past ETA requests, is because the people posting them didn't know better. For people who CLEARLY know better but post ETA anyway, we just ignore it.
FYI: Decal is not against CoC. Many Decal plugins are not against CoC and CANNOT be used in a manner that makes them against CoC. Evading a ban, inciting riots, flaming users, etc ARE against board ToS. So who is the one breaking rules here? For one with such "high morals"... you seem to drop them quickly when it suits you. Hypocrit much?
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"I say we all keep asking for an ETA. I think we should also find all the other hot buttons we can push that piss the Decal Devs off. Hopefully we piss them off enough they give up.
In the end they will feel better if they use this opportunity to do what is right and not release their game destroying hack again."
What a sad excuse for a woman, you should devote your time/energy to something usefull, like helping children in need.
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SweetMary.Forever posted on 7/21/05 11:39pm
I say we all keep asking for an ETA. I think we should also find all the other hot buttons we can push that piss the Decal Devs off. Hopefully we piss them off enough they give up.
In the end they will feel better if they use this opportunity to do what is right and not release their game destroying hack again.
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Yerpa wonders why SweetMary.Forever has to create a new screen name to post this drivel? Could it be she was banned b4?
Yerpa also wonders why some people cant just get a life and leave everyone else alone?
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The easiest way to explain SM's motivation here is.
Sex life = 0
Home life = 0
employment = 0
husband = 0
friends = 0
in other words she has no life and her entire existance is just to annoy people who know what life is about.
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there is another side to this too isn't there .. even if they get decal working today. 9 times out 10 the plugins that are out now aint gonna work with it is that correct? so it will be yet another wait for that specific plug-in to get redone to be ToD decal compatible.
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I personally dont expect decal or very many plugins to be available till the middle of next week I know how hard programing is and to change what you know to what it needs to be just sucks.
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Ya cernorama, a lot of plug-ins will need work done to them to make them work properly with ToD but I don't know if there's any way the plug-in authors can work on them before Decal is ready, there may be some things tehy can do but I suspect it'll be limited amounts. The plug-in authors need to see what changed and how before they can fix thier stuff and that's obviously dependant on how decal winds up changing, it'll take time.
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the way i see it is that the only people that should worry or ask if decal is ready is the plug-in authors cause its the plug-ins that people want not decal in itself. cause once decal is ready. the same people will be asking is BLAH BLAH plug-in ready.. etc ..etc..
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I personally dont expect decal or very many plugins to be available till the middle of next week I know how hard programing is and to change what you know to what it needs to be just sucks.
IMO, your an opimist. I "wrote off" having Decal and usable Plugins for at least 3-4 weeks after the Monday launch.
I hope I'm wrong and it's sooner, but seriously, this is a huge job.
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First off, I'm tipping my hat to all the Decal Devs. I can't imagine how hard you guys are working to get this done. I've been dabbling in AC Tool programming temporary fixes for the time being and it's taking me hours of work each night to do so. So big time THANKS for everything you guys do.
It's true that a lot of the plugins will remain broken so people will still have to wait for them to be updated or rebuilt. The upside to this is that once decal is completed it will allow more functionality in AC Tool for using decal to help call commands and scripts. Gotta love AC Tool....still works even now but has some limited functionality.
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Well I, for one, hope that get Decal and Tank get up soon....Its such a pain to buff manually and I am so used to playing with Decal plugins that it seems like something is missing...Game isnt as much fun without the plugins....If Decal devs cant make it work, Turbine needs to provide something, else we may all leave...
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There is nothing ElGarL can do with tank until Decal is up and running, soo.. That's going to be a bit longer. What's really going to suck is no more mini pk anyone out there have enuff programming experience to make a plug-in like it? Or maybe use the old mini-pk plugin and edit it yourself. If so id be happy to donate a couple bucks for it myself.
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ive had some experience with making a VB program, however i dont know how to fit it together with something, so i would never make it higher than that, although when i graduate HS im hoping to have a MCSE certification (kinda cool) and some cisco training, so hopefully ill find some time to like work on plugins and such
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MCSE and Cisco certs won't make you any better at programming. They'll make you a better network Admin, but won't help your programming skills at all.
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Thanks for the hard work, guys, its much appreciated.
I for one am really enjoying the decal-free hunting I'm getting in. Means I have to pay more attention to what I'm doing.
I say, take your time and get it right. You do marvelous work, and deserve some respect for it.
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well they may not make me better but they put me at an income level where i would be able to get some programming training and such
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I have always buffed manually unless i am fighting, ill let tank take care of it because it is tedious, i can do it, but i dont like to.
EDIT: btw drakier is right my brother has a cisco certification and he can program a thing lol
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kind of funny how people dont read the posts above theirs....
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cernorama -
You are correct. The possibility of a plugin just working once Decal is ready is quite low. Many plugins will not even exist anymore as the authors don't play, haven't updated in quite some time, and don't have anyone they trust who wants to take them over.
Besides just Decal, quite a lot of plugins have dependancies on ImpFilter and SpellFilter which I'm sure will most likely have to be updated as well before the plugins authors who are still around can even start working on fixing and/or re-writing thier plugins or even really thinking about writing new ones.
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Thats a great thought. Drakier, have the imp and spellfilter guys tied off with you folks to know what they have to fix, or do they also need to wait for you to finish before they can mod those?
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ImpFilter is developed by Arkayas (who is a Decal Dev) and SpellFilter is developed by Hazridi (another decal dev).
I think we're pretty set filter-wise.
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DECAL ETA = When it is done there is your eta live with it
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Man, after reading this thread
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DECAL ETA = When it is done there is your eta live with it
The ToD client has been available for over a month.
However, because decal is no longer open source, there is no way for people like to me help out. And because the 3 decal dev's left don't like to communicate with the masses, we have no idea what would even be required to help.
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Is it me, or does SM come off like a religious zealot?
"Decal is of the Devil! You're all going to burn unless you realize that Decal is of the Devil, Only then will you be saved from the devil that is Decal!"
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Is it me, or does SM come off like a religious zealot?
"Decal is of the Devil! You're all going to burn unless you realize that Decal is of the Devil, Only then will you be saved from the devil that is Decal!"
Welcome to SM 101. The people of WE have been dealing with this nonsense for years now.
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Is it me, or does SM come off like a religious zealot?
"Decal is of the Devil! You're all going to burn unless you realize that Decal is of the Devil, Only then will you be saved from the devil that is Decal!"
One can only hope that she is. Maybe one day she will wear one of those "designer belts" that so many of the other zealots end up wearing.
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One can only hope that she is. Maybe one day she will wear one of those "designer belts" that so many of the other zealots end up wearing.
I just want her to quietly leave and diminish into obscurity. Unfortunately, those "designer belts" have a nasty habit of injuring people around the zealot. They get rid of that one zealot - but that is little comfort to the injured.
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The ToD client has been available for over a month.
However, because decal is no longer open source, there is no way for people like to me help out. And because the 3 decal dev's left don't like to communicate with the masses, we have no idea what would even be required to help.
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Just because the client has been available for months, doesn't mean anything. You realize that last time the compiler was changed, it took us almost a month just to find the MEMLOCS! That didn't even require a recode of most of Decal.
As for the decal code.. if you want to update the rendering engine, then by all means, go ahead! The rendering engine hasn't changed in 4+ years, and that is what is currently checked into the SourceForge repository. The code there is the code that we're using (at least for the rendering). You can make all the changes you want, and if they work, you can submit them to us to be used.
This is exactly what we told you in channel. We've told everyone EXACTLY what is broken, and exactly what we're doing to fix it. As we go along things come up, but for the most part, it's still the same. We're re-writing the rendering section of Decal to work with DirectX9, and we're working on getting all the memlocs redone. So far, that is all. We've communicated that plenty already. In messages here, in the channel. Anyone who really cared to know what was wrong could easily get the information by reading some posts here, or asking us in the channel.
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I understand that too many cooks spoil the broth, but I've offered to help multiple times, in multiple ways (even going so far as to create a howto find easy memlocs ) -- including asking for any memlocs that still need to be found.
I'd like to help and I'm sure lots of others would too...
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well.. you're definately right about that... too many cooks.
We've pretty much got all the stuff under handle right now.. there is nothing currently right now that having more people would solve. We're still finding memlocs, and we're making really good progress.. we've got it down to a system here. The main problem with the memlocs is that they have changed so much. Most of the old ones aren't even around anymore.. which means we are finding NEW memlocs to use instead. So it isn't as if we can give you a list of memlocs that aren't found yet, because we're looking for things we need to implement, then checking to see if it is already found. As for the old memlocs, all the ones that aren't completely obsolete I believe have already been found. The ones that are obsolete, we're working on creating replacements for.
Currently, the best thing that can be done is have patience. Just sit back and wait. Unless you want to go grab source and start re-engineering the rendering code, there isn't much right now that can be done externally.
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I would like to send gratitude from the entire world of SC for all the effort you guys are putting forth to get decal up and running for all us lazy people who don't like to buff. I was around way before decal so i'm not quite as spoiled as some of the newer players. Take your time and do what it takes to get it right and we'll adapt and overcome in the meantime. You guys are doing an excellent job and everyone that uses decal is appreciative i'm sure.
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Drakier- I know nothing about progreamming at this level but I got a question for ya, if turbine was to know what you needed and were given the incentive to do so could they tell you what you need. The whole anti macro crap can stop here, I am only talking about getting decal up,
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Drakier- I know nothing about progreamming at this level but I got a question for ya, if turbine was to know what you needed and were given the incentive to do so could they tell you what you need. The whole anti macro crap can stop here, I am only talking about getting decal up,
Unless they were to 'officially endorse and support' Decal, they really can't do a whole lot to assist. I'm sure they have already done what they can, up to the limit they are allowed. They did/are change the ToS wording.
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Seems to me Turbine could accidentaly send an e-mail of memlocs to one of the decal devs.
I mean someone at Turbine must have a list, or be able to make a list.
I don't know. Just seems like fear of lawyers to me lol
Someone from Turbine should take a list home, open a Hotmail account, and send the dang thing lol
Just my thoughts ;-)
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They changed the ToS of fear of max exodus after an expansion release
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lol, that would totally rock to have a mysterious list send, huh
hmmmmmm
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why would turbine have a list of memlocs when they compile and work with the source code....
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Possibly a list of revelent functions and signitures... but theyd have no need to examine their compiled exe for that.
I personaly was looking foward to the API they had discused.
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Plain and Simple.
Thank you Decal Dev's for working so hard. And thank you Drakier for remaining patient in the face of a group of impatient ppl. SOme of us appreciate the fact that you're working on it.
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Can someone in laymens terms explain what memlocs are?
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Memory locations I believe. I'm probobly as dumb as the average person when it comes to coding, but I believe it's where they attach the stuff they need decal to run. But then again, I don't know enough about coding to know that I don't know. (yea I'm confused too
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Turbine can't really give us memlocs because they don't look at the client from the same end we do. We go through and look at the compiled code and determine in that compiled code where the functions and variables are (memlocs).
They look at it from a source code perspective. I suppose it is POSSIBLE for them to use a debug build to try to help locate things, but I doubt they'd be able to do that for us, not to meantion, I'm not sure how much assistance it would be.
The main problem is that many of our old memlocs are gone. completely. They were attached to the old UI stuff, which is ripped out and flushed down the toilet. We need to find new memlocs to fill in the hole left by the old ones.
to reply to the above question, memlocs are locations in the client.exe where functions and variables exist. We can use a low level programming language to actually call those functions and modify those variables. That allows Decal to basically call functions directly in the client to do things like cast spells and ID items. (among other things).
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Thanks to all who're working on getting decal to work with ToD!
I agree. I have played with decal since level 3 - I will continue to play with Decal. TY.
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ok see i did not know anything about it, was hoping they may be able to pull you a list and get it to you with a little ummmm pressure, that not being the case, Keep up the good work
and thanks for taking a few to explain it
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Once they get the echo filter parsing and be able to hook into the display, I hope they will release decal with what ever memlocs they do have. The ones that don't work. Decal used to run with few if any memloc, you actually sent keystrokes and moved the mouse to get things done. It was cludgy but many plugins worked fine (ie. sixth sense worked but you could not select things from the list).
once there are plugins actually running, more people will be able to find memlocs.
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Would the API have removed the necessity to fix decal this update or would it have just saved the time searching for MemLocs?
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an API would only eliminate the need for memlocs.
the graphics update would still need to change as it does now.
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This is interesting and facinating to me.
When I was in HS I took a computer course. This was long before Windows came out and we had to write these little programs and save them on those old huge floppy disks. If you didn't remember to bring your floppy with you, you had to take out another and restart the whole thing. There was no such thing as the internet at that time, or if there was no one I knew, knew anything about it. I cannot begin to imagine the sort of time it takes to go into these programs but I for one sure appreciate what they do and appreciate the people that take the time to do it.
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When I was in college (engineering) we had to do it on punch cards. My first program was scoring a bowling game.
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As for me, I will be very happy to get decal up and running again.For all the hard work these fine people have done I am going to Visit pay pal and make a nice donation to the decal fund. AC will not be the same till it is up and working.
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I agree I hope they donate some money to keep them going. I do not know what it costs to make these programs, nor do I know if some of these guys are working so hard they miss work or what, so every little bit helps.
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Keep up the good work guys. We love you for it, and we know we whine "Is it done yet?" Believe me, if we could do it faster we would. But we don't have the skill. And I for one would rather have it done right than done fast. So please, take your time.
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Decal is dead, let it be! PLAY AC THE WAY IT WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED(Nvidia :P )!!!
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Hee hee that's one way to put it Elgarl
I am with the majority, good work folks and my AC experience will not be what I love without decal.
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I play Decal with AC .
what do you know.. so do I...
LMAO
i don't run tank alot.. just for buffing needs or when i am a buffbot... but i like the UST feature in it...
and a few others..
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I saw quitem a lot of people untraining their mage to melee characters. I asked a few who said mage was too easy they could beat everything in the game except Buran King...I wonder if it becuase mage is such a pain to play 500+ key strokes and mous clicks per buff cycle, hour of hunting.
I wonder if they really quit mage becuase of decals failure to get running. Geez and people say play like a real man - your not a true game player if you use decal you macro pig. I do not think those people play mage or they like carpal sydrone...
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Main thing I miss about decal is looting
I can't keep track of all the bug corpses and checking each item on a corpse doesn't make it any easier heh.
I've always buffed myself and I only used ElTank like 5 times.
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-BenT-TwiG- , you can map a key to "open next unopened corpse" with the new client.
Still have to examine items yourself, but at least you don't have to keep track of corpses.
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Im Elgar's no 1 fan. Sure I can play without Tank. Thats a given. But I enjoy the game tons more with Tank. No--I dont UCM. That would be no fun. But a good example is the Insatiable Eaters. I stay alive and do about 40 mil/hr. BUT I have very little time to loot. Also Im sure when I do loot I miss a lot of corpses.
So Decal is important to me because it allows me to use Tank, which in turn allows me to stay alive and have more time to loot and enjoy the game much more. I guess that makes me a bad person to some of the Dev's and the purists.
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well i pkl ocasionally and normally i self buff, but after dieing 7 times it gets a little boring thats why i <3 tank plus the looting and ust programs own
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I love decal and all plugins that make the game as enjoyable as it is. Big thanks to all the decal devs and plugin authors for all their hard work. All the decal and plugin haters need to keep their f'in mouth shut and suck on their mommies teet's
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you know, for those who keep saying we don't need decal, or they wish it would go away...did you ever stop and consider that some of us need it for medical reasons. Without decal i can not sit and play but a few minutes without sever pain from how I have to sit and how I have to use the keyboard and mouse.
Decal allows for short cuts and buffing programs and hotkeys which take the long process out of buffing and other mundane chores ingame so that when it comes time to hunt, I can actually set there and do it...I don't UCM, and 90% or better who use decal do not UCM, so get over yourself. AC for some of us is just simply not playable without the assistance provided. That is why I do not have alot of ingame time since ToD released...viva le Decal!
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you know, for those who keep saying we don't need decal, or they wish it would go away...did you ever stop and consider that some of us need it for medical reasons. Without decal i can not sit and play but a few minutes without sever pain from how I have to sit and how I have to use the keyboard and mouse.
I am sure these people are unsympathetic and uninterested in these concerns. They would say - Find something that you can do with your limited abilites. No doubt, they are against handicapped parking spaces, ramps, and so on too.
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ARGH!!! I miss Decal!!!
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Decal Devs you rock.
I do have one request. If anyone has WinXP64, can you make an installer of the decal support libraries that installs on WinXp64? It is the only decal item I cannot get to install and i think it is because it may be an outdated installer. If you need any info, I can get it.
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Bowdiddly posted:
you know, for those who keep saying we don't need decal, or they wish it would go away...did you ever stop and consider that some of us need it for medical reasons. Without decal i can not sit and play but a few minutes without sever pain from how I have to sit and how I have to use the keyboard and mouse.
I am sure these people are unsympathetic and uninterested in these concerns. They would say - Find something that you can do with your limited abilites. No doubt, they are against handicapped parking spaces, ramps, and so on too.
Well, here is another way of looking at it ...
This board is about GAME UTILITIES (Plugins, etc). This isn't a place about "should game utilities be allowed".
IMO, anyone who keeps coming on this board and rags on developers and people who use them should be banned.
But then again, I'm sick and tired of people who no longer play Asheron's Call who keep coming back to a Game World board and rag on the game.
Decal and plugin ARE allowed in AC. It's that simple. There is no room to debate it on this board. They should go to the Turbine boards and petition to make TPAs illegal. Short of that, they should STFU and stay off this board. Otherwise, IMO, they are breaking this rule:
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Well, here is another way of looking at it ...
This board is about GAME UTILITIES (Plugins, etc). This isn't a place about "should game utilities be allowed".
IMO, anyone who keeps coming on this board and rags on developers and people who use them should be banned.
But then again, I'm sick and tired of people who no longer play Asheron's Call who keep coming back to a Game World board and rag on the game.
IMHO - The nay-saying trouble makers are not interested in your opinions about the appropiateness of their posts. The VN CoC is of no interest to them either. You ban them they just wait it out or create an evade account.
The best thing to do is ignore them. Do not feed the troll. Send a PM to the moderator if it is very getting under your skin.
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Im one of the many missing decal
much for your work, it enchances this game in more ways than i could express in words !
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I can almost hear the WHAAA!!!! in Arch_Magi's post.
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Keep it up Decal Devs! Alot of us support you more than you can imagine. I have both melee and mage high level characters. I miss the loot and buffing is all. Just made many things more convienent. Still fun to play without the programs but would be nice to not miss alot of loot trying to survive in a large swarm.
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I would also like to thank the Decal Devs. Can I play without decal...Yes, Does decal make it easier?.....Yes Thanks for the years of hard work guys
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I have a question for one of the devs, provided you have time to answer.
I have always wondered how you determine that Decal is actually working? Since you have stated that most plugins will beed to be updated to function, do you guys have a generic test plugin that you created that calls to the various memlocs to make sure that is functioning?
Just a bit of curiosity.
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I want to thank you guys too. To be honest i do have fun without decal but i miss oracle of dereth, bandit site and esp the self buffing prog. I dont use tank, use infinity. But i must admit decal does make the game play alot easier.. And yes esp if you have "problems" and cant play without it, it is real handy. I for one dont use tank, dont UCM/ACM. A big huge thanks for alot of hard work.
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Thats a good question, what criteria do you all use to see if Decal is working? Some sort of Test bed? Just curious thats all...
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DOH
250, is that it???
Guess not.....
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I'm no AC purist but I think that it might be more challenging and fun to play the game without Decal.
Yeah, we're gonna miss the buff bots and other stuff until we see word from Gouru or any other Decal Dev but personally, if we're gonna try & draw in new players...isn't it about time that we stopped using Decal and started using our wits.
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Can someone post a paypal link for the decal devs?
I'd like to donate as soon as I've paid for ToD and a graphics card.
Can't donate a lot but will pass on what I can as this xpac has created a HUGE amount of work for them.
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I'm no AC purist but I think that it might be more challenging and fun to play the game without Decal.
Yeah, we're gonna miss the buff bots and other stuff until we see word from Gouru or any other Decal Dev but personally, if we're gonna try & draw in new players...isn't it about time that we stopped using Decal and started using our wits.
Just a thought
Whats this wits thing you talk about?
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Yes it is challenging, Yes it's fun to play RAW AC once in a while.
Portal bots and buffbots are a part of the game. I'm guessing no one who whines about decal remembers the days where people would constantly beg for buffs or portals to Teth.
It was a big deal and why they destroyed Arwic, and the way Tethana was... Man those were the days... get portal stormed out of tethana into mobs of shadows during the shadow wars.
I do NOT miss in the least the begging for buffs. A brand new character is just plain frustrating to play with out a buffbot.
Heck no one remembers it taking 4 months to hit 14 because no one could even learn the spells to cast a IV.
I miss the Eastham fizzle dancers too. 15 guys/gals in a line all doing wrong spell comps that made them all move in unison doing odd things.
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Anyone who is forcing others to use decal, need to Stop. Everyone should be able to play the way they want to. I keep reading posts where people say they enjoy playing without decal and TPA's. Who ever is forcing you, tell them to stick it up their nose and mind their own business. Don't let others tell you how you should play.
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In my case, I have limited use of my right hand from some old sports injuries. My right hand is in a semipermanent claw, with the exception of my index finger. My bad hand tends to fatigue rather quickly, furhter limiting its use.
Decal allows me to rebuff on my own and play more easily. All I use is Infinity, BS2, and Robochef. If it wasn't for the ease that Decal brings to the buffing process, I'd probably be a bot baby or quit AC altogether. I just see the feasibility in having a half a character (bot baby), or playing a game without buffs when those buffs have become so central to competative hunting. I have two token mages on each account, but both are low level and more like side projects. I'm not going to macro them up. That's not how I like to play. I also like the ease of corpse/loot management with BS2.
Anyway, I'm pretty patient and can wait until the Decal Devs get it updated. By the way, I just want to thank the decal devs for their work. Without Decal, I probably would have quit AC a while back.
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Thanks to Gouru and others who are putting so much time and effort into getting Decal up and running again. I GREATLY miss my color and vision helpers. 3rd eye, Fellowlink, Kebas, etc, that handle filters and text color changes ingame. I'm red/green colorblind and am finding it increasingly stressful to play without the plugins that help me see what's where and who said what. Filtering combat using the ingame filters doesn't work well as it's not discriminatory enough. It filters ALL enemy, ALL self, or ALL combat, not various portions of any. 3rd eye lets me know when I'm about to run right through a large pack of creatures that I can't see well otherwise. Before ToD launched, I watched my Nerfus Bufus cycle closely and mirrored my spellbars to match. I may be the only player on Dereth who has 80+ spells on one spellbar, but I can just arrow over to the next one from start to finish. In my pre-Decal days of yore, I wasn't a leader and I had far fewer people to talk to and things to pay attention to. Now, mutlitasking is a challenge. One I don't welcome.
I do miss being able to answer tells and questions and comments and set up a quest while buffing. Buff aids make for a MUCH more efficient use of time when you're leading a boatload of people through a quest or a hunt.
I miss Bandit Sight, too. -sniffles-
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I have a disability too. It's called laziness. So I really want Decal back. I'm all for Disabled rights.
..what?
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Well I hope you dev's would tell us your paypal sight so I can donate some cash to give you a better incentive to complete this goal. I have been playing this game for around 4 years and love it. I find it a joke to play now when I log on and everyone is asking if I could buff them. Once you start it is hard to stop . Good luck on your task. If there is another link from which I could read how the progress goes , that would be great .
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Yeah, I'd PayPal in a second, if I knew where to do so. 
However, there are so many Decal devs involved.... who'd get what, etc. is a headache I'm not sure I'd like to think about.
That being said, keep it up folks. We're all behind you (Sweet Mary and other purist notwithstanding.  ).
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I find it a joke to play now when I log on and everyone is asking if I could buff them.
I just tell them I am not a mage and they quit asking.
Course, it's kinda hard to tell them that if I just happen to be playing my mage 
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i would donate some money too, but i dont think the creators are centralized enough to do it easily.
maybe just elgarl, el tank is 99% of what im missin anyway :P
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You can donate to ElGar.
compsub@blueyonder.co.uk
But that has NOTHING to do with the Decal Devs.
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If my memory serves me well, We were asked in the past to donate to eltank and I did so. I would not have a problem of donating once a year to pay for the time these awesome people put into these sweet programs.I would hope there would be a leader of the dev's and they could divide up the monies that the sight generates.
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Gouru stated a few days ago that they pulled the paypal link for a reason (it's too difficult to decide what money goes to whom and for what purpose, they only really ever get donations when decal is broken for an extended period of time, etc). I think they would prefer not being harassed over when decal will be up and being appreciated for their efforts.
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Gouru said there was an easy way to thank the Decal devs.
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I would be willing to pay for this service. LifeTank was a $25 license. I would be willing to pay that. One time fee, or even yearly. I'm sure most AC'ers would be, as well.
Anyway, thanks to the devs. The service you provide is a worthwhile one imho.
Keep up the good work please.
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So where the ToD Decal update at ?
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Inoki_Shouan posted on 7/25/05 12:02am
First post of this thread is most recent.
I think he was looking for the Decal update that works with ToD actually... :P
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There is not going to be an influx of new players to an old game, and it has nothing to do with Decal or any other 3rd party software at this point. People generally aren't going to seek 6 year old online games to play. I haven't seen any new players on HG.
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You might see new ppl when thay get the game out to the store's. I am still waiting on my pre-order to come in.
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<< I have always wondered how you determine that Decal is actually working? Since you have stated that most plugins will beed to be updated to function, do you guys have a generic test plugin that you created that calls to the various memlocs to make sure that is functioning? >>
im not a decal dev but i assume they just try it just run their test version of the new decal and then the ac client. via debug info it's prolly possible to see how well it hooks into the client.
for them knowing that certain plugins won't work is just following logic, when they know a certain memloc has changed they know plugins that call that memloc directly will be broken.
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Yula_the_Mighty posted:
Arch_Magi posted:
Well, here is another way of looking at it ...
This board is about GAME UTILITIES (Plugins, etc). This isn't a place about "should game utilities be allowed".
IMO, anyone who keeps coming on this board and rags on developers and people who use them should be banned.
But then again, I'm sick and tired of people who no longer play Asheron's Call who keep coming back to a Game World board and rag on the game.
IMHO - The nay-saying trouble makers are not interested in your opinions about the appropiateness of their posts. The VN CoC is of no interest to them either. You ban them they just wait it out or create an evade account.
The best thing to do is ignore them. Do not feed the troll. Send a PM to the moderator if it is very getting under your skin.
Trust me, I have several Mods on "Speed Dial".
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If your going to give money give it to decal because without decal the other plug ins die
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Mr New Player,
I am dumbfounded by your logic. If you enjoy playing AC raw because it is more challenging, you do not have to install Decal once it is released. Please, continue to play AC RAW. Suggesting to Decal devs to slow down or not release Decal makes no sense to me.
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Trust me, I have several Mods on "Speed Dial".
Well aren't you just Mr. Cool lol. It is truly sad to see people like you act tough on an internet message board, really it is.
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Khardis_Knight posted:
isn't it about time that we stopped using Decal and started using our wits.
Just a thought
I use Decal for three things:
1. To buff. If rotely hitting the same damn buttons over and over again to buff is "using my wits", then I'm a genius as I'm quite good at buffing. I hate buffing manually. It takes away my potty and drink break.
2. To check items in corpses. Memorizing max damage values for every kind of weapon is a neat trick, but it's boring to look at every damn item. Being able to put your criteria for uberness into BS/2 and have it tell you when an item meets that criteria is great.
3. To salvage. Good lord. Is this the most mind-numbing thing possible in an MMORPG? If I was to salvage everything, I'd spend 5-10 minutes per buff just doing that.
I use Decal to compensate for the drawbacks AC has timesink-wise, not to "use my wits" less. It's too easy to say that going without any sort of automation of repetetive tasks is somehow worthier. It's like saying that sawing the wood to build a house by hand is a good thing rather than borderline insane.
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<< I have always wondered how you determine that Decal is actually working? Since you have stated that most plugins will beed to be updated to function, do you guys have a generic test plugin that you created that calls to the various memlocs to make sure that is functioning? >>
Some of us also write plugins, so the initial tests will be 'Do our own plugins work'...If yes, we'll release an early beta where other plugin developers can try theirs and let us know of any other issues with Decal itself.
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for now, we're just trying to get decal to even DRAW on the screen, let alone actually DO anything.
first step is to draw the bar, and then to draw the buttons. Once those work, we make sure some plugins with some views can load... make sure the controls all function properly and look correct. Once that is done, then we can start working on the functionality and make sure that all the internal functions appear to work correctly.
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Thanks for the hard work guys. I only wish I had the skills to give you a hand. Lighten that load a little bit for you.
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thats good, keep it up everyone.
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Mr New Player,
I am dumbfounded by your logic. If you enjoy playing AC raw because it is more challenging, you do not have to install Decal once it is released. Please, continue to play AC RAW. Suggesting to Decal devs to slow down or not release Decal makes no sense to me.
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Tofino posted on 7/25/05 12:07pm
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Drakier posted:
for now, we're just trying to get decal to even DRAW on the screen, let alone actually DO anything.
first step is to draw the bar, and then to draw the buttons. Once those work, we make sure some plugins with some views can load... make sure the controls all function properly and look correct. Once that is done, then we can start working on the functionality and make sure that all the internal functions appear to work correctly.
Ok, so since MT_Gouru won't bother answering a straight forward question, I guess you pretty much have ... "Are you guys going to keep working on Decal, or is it dead?"
There was some doubt when Gouru threw a hissy fit and posted "Decal is now dead ... I haven't decided if this is a joke post or not yet...." then when people asked him a straight forward question, he either ignores you or get "flip" on you because you are supposed to read his mind, or tell when he is being sarcastic via the typed word.
I will take it that since you are trying, and saying that you can't draw anything, that it means you guys are at least working on it. Which is great.
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Arch_Magi posted:
Drakier posted:
for now, we're just trying to get decal to even DRAW on the screen, let alone actually DO anything.
first step is to draw the bar, and then to draw the buttons. Once those work, we make sure some plugins with some views can load... make sure the controls all function properly and look correct. Once that is done, then we can start working on the functionality and make sure that all the internal functions appear to work correctly.
Ok, so since MT_Gouru won't bother answering a straight forward question, I guess you pretty much have ... "Are you guys going to keep working on Decal, or is it dead?"
There was some doubt when Gouru threw a hissy fit and posted "Decal is now dead ... I haven't decided if this is a joke post or not yet...." then when people asked him a straight forward question, he either ignores you or get "flip" on you because you are supposed to read his mind, or tell when he is being sarcastic via the typed word.
I will take it that since you are trying, and saying that you can't draw anything, that it means you guys are at least working on it. Which is great.
While a were such and such a % done with what we think we need to do post would be nice would you rather have them read/answer/sort through every post here, along with Decals own forum's (yes imagine that, forums just for Decal, hosted by and on the official site)? To spend the time reading the off topic and negative crap here would be a waste of thier time. Get on topic, get off thier back's and let em try and get it done sooner rather than later.
YOU (as in each individual user) can simply make your choice then, use Decal and WHATEVER plugins in YOU choose and leave everybody else alone and free to make thier choice!
If a guy can't muster it up to answer the same question 1000 times, yes I know he didn't reply to anyone anywhere at anytime in the manner or time frame they required, I guess he's just pure evil. Give him and the rest of us a break, debate this whole thing on some other board for some other game, will be just as on topic and useful to the community there.
I want to come here and atleast be able to see if there is a post about progress from time to time. But the atmosphere here makes it almost impossible for them to even make such a post for fear of getting the "keep Decal broke it's ruinin the game" group riled up again. And I for one am sick and tired of them posting, deciding which apps or plugins I may use to play a game I am paying for.
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"for now, we're just trying to get decal to even DRAW on the screen, let alone actually DO anything."
Sounds like he answered your question. The more time people ask stupid questions, the more time he takes to answer them, the more time it takes him to get our beloved decal working. Leave him alone, when it's ready he'll let you know.
Do you think bugging him is going to make him work any faster? Wouldn't for me, it'd piss me off and actually make me not want to work on it.
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LongJoey posted:
"for now, we're just trying to get decal to even DRAW on the screen, let alone actually DO anything."
Sounds like he answered your question. The more time people ask stupid questions, the more time he takes to answer them, the more time it takes him to get our beloved decal working. Leave him alone, when it's ready he'll let you know.
Do you think bugging him is going to make him work any faster? Wouldn't for me, it'd piss me off and actually make me not want to work on it.
Yeah, I know Drakier answered my question. That is what I just said. Gouru didn't. Gouru made a thread where he said "Subject: Decal is now dead ... I haven't decided if this is a joke post or not yet...."
http://vnboards.ign.com/AC_Utilities/b5432/89510418/
And after 10 pages, even before he had it locked, he never answered the question of posted something like "Ok, now that Turbine is changing it back, Decal is NOT dead, we will be working on it, but there is no ETA."
That would have sufficed.
But when you open the door to doubt, out of common courtesy, you should put that doubt to rest. Preferably just as clear as you opened it with.
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And for the record, I haven't asked WHEN Decal is going to be released, just IF it was going to be worked on. I actually have told myself and my guildmates to not expect it and all the TPAs for at least a month or more. If they get it done before them, great, but I'd be suprised if it was before then.
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If this info is posted someplace, I've missed it. Believe I read somewhere that some of the memloc findings would be made available. Was wondering if you could share a few pieces. I can be patient while decal is being worked on. I could be much more patient if you could share the clients base address and the offsets for the received text/chat.
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Your question has been answered probably about 50 times since that 'Decal is dead' thread was started. As for being able to tell if Gouru is being sarcastic or not, evidently you don't actually read many of the posts that he does make. Changing from DX7 to DX9 is a HUGE undertaking. Give them a break. Asking the same question(s) over and over again will not make them want to work any faster, nor will it make them want to answer your question as it has most likely been answered quite a few times.
Now, please just be patient (ACK!! THE P WORD!!) and when they are able to get things working, they will let us all know.
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W-O-L-F posted:
Your question has been answered probably about 50 times since that 'Decal is dead' thread was started. As for being able to tell if Gouru is being sarcastic or not, evidently you don't actually read many of the posts that he does make. Changing from DX7 to DX9 is a HUGE undertaking. Give them a break. Asking the same question(s) over and over again will not make them want to work any faster, nor will it make them want to answer your question as it has most likely been answered quite a few times.
Now, please just be patient (ACK!! THE P WORD!!) and when they are able to get things working, they will let us all know.
Show me two places where someone on the Decal team has said "Decal is being worked on, it is NOT dead." Show me one time where Gouru says it.
I have no doubt that it is a huge project. I have the utmost respect for them. All that I am saying is that when one of the more "public" of the Devs makes a post that says "Decal is Dead", that tends to get peoples attention, and should be put to rest with equal clarity.
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W-O-L-F is correct,
If Gouru was being sarcastic or not on his "Decal is Dead" thread, it was aimed at an issue that had (at best) little to do with Decal, but a change in the CoC... That change turned out to be a Type-o and was to be corrected (I think SM Hacked the CoC page and changed it )
After the issue was answered, Gouru had the thread locked...
Some may not have liked Gouru's tactics on that thread, personally, I applaud them... the change had been noted in other places, but until that thread, it was not addressed.
As for the reason for this thread, Thanks for the update, Where do I send the pizza?
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Arch, I think overbeating that dead horse is making a bloody mess now . . .
Clean up in Aisle Five please!
Gouru answered it in action, not in a post here. If you had been paying attention in the right places you would have known this. Hint: It's not a post anywhere . . .
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Now, please just be patient (ACK!! THE P WORD!!) and when they are able to get things working, they will let us all know.
Actually he and a vast majority of everyone else is being patient.
Alot or most of the 'community unrest' could be abated with weekly info or even just a solid answer.
This is what we know to be true,
1: it's being worked on
2: this ghoru character is the 'face' of the prject and has quite an attitude, isn't doing any actual work on the project but is coordinating it or acting in more of a brainstorming role
3: they've already had quite a bit of time (the whole preview cycle) to work on this and they can't even get it to draw a box on the screen
Most people use decal to varying degrees and it's important for their gameplay. Concern, curiousity and gratitude is all I've seen here.. a few notable execptions aside.
Dropping the attitude would be a good first good step and maybe just stating that things are(not) going well because of x,y,z..
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Arch_Magi: I personally said on that thread that decal wasn't dead. I have said so at least once in pretty much every "is decal dead"/"eta on decal" thread. If all you're looking for is a clear response from Gouru, you're not going to get it... and if you do, it won't be what you were looking for.
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Show me two places where someone on the Decal team has said "Decal is being worked on, it is NOT dead." Show me one time where Gouru says it.
I have no doubt that it is a huge project. I have the utmost respect for them. All that I am saying is that when one of the more "public" of the Devs makes a post that says "Decal is Dead", that tends to get peoples attention, and should be put to rest with equal clarity.
Ok, I'll show you two places it says they are working on it. But what the hell crawled up your arse to demand that Gouru is the one that answeres you? What exactly makes you think you have the right to ignore all the answere/replies already stating that they are working on it and demand to hear it from Gouru?
Now for the answers, I didn't even have to stray from this thread...there are AT LEAST two replies from Drakier alone stating that they are still working on it, just in this thread alone.
Place 1: http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=88977895&start=89658157
Drakier posted:
well.. you're definately right about that... too many cooks.
We've pretty much got all the stuff under handle right now.. there is nothing currently right now that having more people would solve. We're still finding memlocs, and we're making really good progress.. we've got it down to a system here. The main problem with the memlocs is that they have changed so much. Most of the old ones aren't even around anymore.. which means we are finding NEW memlocs to use instead. So it isn't as if we can give you a list of memlocs that aren't found yet, because we're looking for things we need to implement, then checking to see if it is already found. As for the old memlocs, all the ones that aren't completely obsolete I believe have already been found. The ones that are obsolete, we're working on creating replacements for.
Currently, the best thing that can be done is have patience. Just sit back and wait. Unless you want to go grab source and start re-engineering the rendering code, there isn't much right now that can be done externally.
Place 2: http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=88977895&start=89651910
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Quote Xeon_Xarid:
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The ToD client has been available for over a month.
However, because decal is no longer open source, there is no way for people like to me help out. And because the 3 decal dev's left don't like to communicate with the masses, we have no idea what would even be required to help.
*sigh*
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Just because the client has been available for months, doesn't mean anything. You realize that last time the compiler was changed, it took us almost a month just to find the MEMLOCS! That didn't even require a recode of most of Decal.
As for the decal code.. if you want to update the rendering engine, then by all means, go ahead! The rendering engine hasn't changed in 4+ years, and that is what is currently checked into the SourceForge repository. The code there is the code that we're using (at least for the rendering). You can make all the changes you want, and if they work, you can submit them to us to be used.
This is exactly what we told you in channel. We've told everyone EXACTLY what is broken, and exactly what we're doing to fix it. As we go along things come up, but for the most part, it's still the same. We're re-writing the rendering section of Decal to work with DirectX9, and we're working on getting all the memlocs redone. So far, that is all. We've communicated that plenty already. In messages here, in the channel. Anyone who really cared to know what was wrong could easily get the information by reading some posts here, or asking us in the channel.
Now stop whining and demanding Gouru answers you. Your question has been answered.
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Now, please just be patient (ACK!! THE P WORD!!) and when they are able to get things working, they will let us all know.
Actually he and a vast majority of everyone else is being patient.
Alot or most of the 'community unrest' could be abated with weekly info or even just a solid answer.
This is what we know to be true,
1: it's being worked on
2: this ghoru character is the 'face' of the prject and has quite an attitude, isn't doing any actual work on the project but is coordinating it or acting in more of a brainstorming role
3: they've already had quite a bit of time (the whole preview cycle) to work on this and they can't even get it to draw a box on the screen
Most people use decal to varying degrees and it's important for their gameplay. Concern, curiousity and gratitude is all I've seen here.. a few notable execptions aside.
Dropping the attitude would be a good first good step and maybe just stating that things are(not) going well because of x,y,z..
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That isn't accurate at all...
1 is true... yes Decal is being worked on.
2 is not true. Gouru is not the face of Decal. We all are to a degree.. some more public than others. Gouru is also quite a large portion of the Decal Dev team. He's going to be doing his fair share of coding once some of the other guys get more of Decal working.
3 is not true either. We have had decal drawing on the screen for some time. It's doing it the proper way that we are having troubles with. Our last attempt dropped the framerate to 1FPS, and I don't consider that acceptible.. do you?
We are working on it. We HAVE been working on it. We HAVE been giving status'. Unfortunately, there are too many OTHER posts to go through and wade through to try to FIND those status updates. As for anyone saying anything about Gouru... His posting style is not what you might be useful, so you have to learn his style. Until then, its best to not take EVERYTHING he says at face value.. especially if it sounds sarcastic, or in any way something you don't want to hear. I usually come around and make updates posts that are more what you're looking for.. but you have to be patient.
FYI: as an update.. I just spent the last 5 minutes posting to you.. this is 5 minutes in which I was previously working on Memlocs, but I had to stop to come here and post an update, and squash rumors. Tie that in with the 3 other posts I've been replying to, and you've just got 15 minutes worth of time I haven't been looking for memlocs. How many more posts should I answer before I go back to checking memlocs?
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The time is yours to decide on how to apply it.
However, using that as an argument to deflect the issue of poor communication does not hold much water.
The current PR "mess" is and was created by some rather poor choices on someone's behalf. Instead of just dropping his routine and coming clean for 2.5 minutes we have a 330+ post plus thread of people bitching at each other over something they really shouldn't be.
Great, I'm glad you're working on it.. you appear to be competant and have a desire to fix it.
Likewise, I don't have the time to wade through the several hundred posts about this or hang out in IRC (I assume) all day to find out what's going on.
Communication is a two-way street. It could be better, 'nuff said.
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Trallic, are you always a whiny little sissy or just on the vault?
Just don't waste your time Drakier (replying to this nonsense that is)
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that's my point trallic.. I HAVE communicated.. quite clearly.. on MANY threads.. the problem is.. too many other people complaining about stuff to make people have to wade through to find them. You can't accuse all of us of not communicating because I've done more than I should have to in terms of communicating status.
It doesn't matter how many times I give status, or where I do it.. no matter what, people are going to complain, argue, ask for more ETA, or just overall dilute the thread with "bump" or "tag".
So we're all stuck wading through posts looking for answers. They are there.. just have to look.
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that's my point trallic.. I HAVE communicated.. quite clearly.. on MANY threads.. the problem is.. too many other people complaining about stuff to make people have to wade through to find them. You can't accuse all of us of not communicating because I've done more than I should have to in terms of communicating status.
It doesn't matter how many times I give status, or where I do it.. no matter what, people are going to complain, argue, ask for more ETA, or just overall dilute the thread with "bump" or "tag".
So we're all stuck wading through posts looking for answers. There are there.. just have to look.
Drakier, I don't think anyone is saying that YOU aren't communicating. The problem is that when YOU say one thing, and Gouru says another thing and they are opposite.
With people returning to AC after playing WoW or coming back to check out ToD, when they come here and see a Decal Dev saying that "Decal is Dead", then when you publically press him on it again, and he says it again, it's sends the wrong message.
I now know no one should ever listen to what he has to say, but others may not. I'm don't live on this board, I post mainly on HG and ACF and only come here for information. Wading through "flippant" posts that were started by a Dev doesn't help.
I use this place as a tool, I can't help it if you have on your team <edit>.
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Drakier, MT_Gouru and every other Decal developer out there,
Despite the whining and crying and general nit-picking that's littered and diluted this thread (including my post now unfortunately), I just wanted to say "Thanks so much!" for everything you've guys have done.
Even if you folks never touched another line of the Decal source I'd still be grateful.
There are lots more of us, the appreciative out there than there are the legalists, whiners, nit-pickers, and attention whores. Please don't let them get you down.
Thanks again!
Oh, and as far as the whole "not communicating" thing is concerned, you guys have bent over backwards to let us know what's going on. As a developer of 15+ years, I understand and sympathize with what you're all dealing with and can appreciate the enormity and tedium of the tasks you all have at-hand. And it's great that so many people can read, but it still amazes and disappoints me to see just exactly how large a portion of those able to read miss that wacky "comprehension" thing.
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Why in the world do people think the devs owe them anything? Their work is mostly free gratus. They do not OWE anyone updates but give them as they can. If the devs decided to drop decal, no one has ever said this, so what? it is their project! they can fix it or not. up to them. Get off the high horse and quit the bit**ing. It will get done when it gets done, or not. In either case they OWE us nothing so anything we get puts us ahead. STOP wasting their time!!
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Please feel free to point out to me where I'm being a whiney, little sissy.
Or, are you just attacking me because I have a valid point?
anyway...
Easiest way for you to do what you want in terms of keeping people updated Drakier is not to reply in the threads with update info. Start a new thread with the 'update'.
Would be easier for people... less involved in the whole process a quick reference to the relevent information.
Frustrated? Welcome to the club, we've got 10 or so major projects on the books here at work, 300 or so interested people that have direct access to me daily and no eta on any of them.
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Oh...and I have NEVER contradicted what Draker has said about status of Decal Development, nor has he contradicted me.
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Geez people grow up it will be done when it is done and not before. You people make me sick Decal Dev's are working hard to give you something to help you in the game. Just remember they don't have to do it at all. So just leave them alone and let them do what they need to do to get it up and running. Or if you think you can do a better job then make one yourself so put up or shut up Noobs
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To Calm those of you who cannot read the signs...
I think we are close so hold tight. Don't let time get the better of your emotions.
I see them and I am no one
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I have read some of the posts. from what i gather ppl are actually complaining about the time it is taking to create such a program (or re-work it whatever)
Did we forget that these ppl are doing it for the pure love for the game??
Sure we all love Decal. Heck, myself i dont really play when Decal isnt running. but that doesnt give me the right or the reason to bitch and complain at somone who give thier hard time and work imto something that they share with everyone else.
The more you yell at them, the longer they are gonna take. They'll get it done when its done. RELAX!!!!!!
Everyone who puts time into Decal and all of its Plug-Ins. I Thanks thee. Take your time, Make is good
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I just want to say Thank you Decal for the time you have been with AC and the time that you will be there in the future I only ask one thing. Please Close this thread and start a new one when you have an Update. For Me if I dont see an update then I will know you are still working on it but to go through this many pages just to see inconsiderate people belating you because their decal is not working is just a very sad joke.
Ill be looking for a New post with an update.
Again Thanks for making AC better than Microsoft or Turbine would care to make it.
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<< Easiest way for you to do what you want in terms of keeping people updated Drakier is not to reply in the threads with update info. Start a new thread with the 'update'. >>
they do that, you are looking at it (Subject: RE: ToD - Decal update), those threads simply don't stay small and become discussions and whatever.
the decal devs don't have to give updates or something, they can act how they want to and some certainly do if people can't stop asking the same thing over and over then i certainly don't mind the decal devs messing a little with them.
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you might have noticed i havent posted a request for an update/eta. theres a reason for that. its damn easy to watch the 3 people that are prime sources of info on decal and not have to wade through a bunch of junk post's, whining about decal not being up yet. just put gouru, hazradi and drakier in your watched user list and look at their posts for the day. most of them you wont need to even open. but sooner or later you'll see one about "decals up" and you're done. if you want more info, then just open some of their posts and read them. give them a break and let them finish the job. its not like they are getting paid for this, or dont have anything else to do. or for that matter dont care about getting decal fixed. im sure its in the top 5 of their things to do.
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hmmmm
1) Monitor AC Utilities and make fun of ETA posters
2) Earn my paycheck
3) Play AC
4) Visit my family
5) Eat dinner
6) Work on Decal
....nope....didn't make top 5, maybe I should reprioritize items 2 through 5...
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MT_Gouru,
I know that you were the origianl poster on this thread and with all due respect to Drakier but if you say something is dead then until we hear "from the horses mouth" that decal is back on I am not sure who's posts I should be reading. You posted that all work on Decal had been stopped due to the change in the COC which has now been reverted. After Ibn posted on this thread that that change was comming and when it did in fact happen 2 days later I am sure that you should have posted a quick note "Decal is being worked on again". And I am sure that most of the Decal useres would sit and wait till it was pronuced DONE and ready.....If it take 2 weeks or 2 months.
Brute.
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