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I used to love to fight you guys as albs. Very tough and challenging fights, sometimes we would win, sometimes you would win. You were very talented players. For the life of me I can't understand why you have now rolled the mid ez win combo. Are you really having more fun now? I wish you had stuck with your albs. I would think that WZ, like TK, would be an inspiration to albs to show how well they can compete 8 vs. 8. Instead, now it's yet another overpowered mid gank group running around emain farming meaningless rps.

Rumor has it that Mythic is going to do something with magic resists. Maybe it will help, probably not. Doesn't seem much reason to play a caster anymore. It's all about melee gank groups now. Even my own guild would rather group a rr2 hero than my chanter, for good reason.

 

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They rolled a warrior group, not just a typical flavor of the month group

 

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they run with 3 warriors, and an aug healer, hardly ez mode

 

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I am so tired of this melee-domination BS. A long time ago melee classes were seen as useless and casters dominated, and today we have the exact opposite.

Hopefully with the resist nerfs in 1.64 we will see some sort of balance, finally.

I mean, my fully light speced mentalist was nuking a minstrel for 165(-300) with his spec 209DD. It only took 1 day of rvr for me to decide to retire the toon immediately.

 

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Hard to beat the best CC and end regen in the game.

 

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"they run with 3 warriors, and an aug healer, hardly ez mode"

I guess you've never seen what 2h Warriors can do Ragnaroking every 1.7 secs.

 

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If we had balance what would we complain about??

 

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Crafting

 

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""they run with 3 warriors, and an aug healer, hardly ez mode"
sorry no, have you fought them lately? they have been running with 2-3 savages in almost every group.

 

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AFter playing that warrior yesterday I would say if specced right a warrior can be more powerful than a zerker, hero or any other tank class. Then again they should be considering they are the melee realm. Will be a good class to roll when savages don't have the ra's they were never supposed to have.

 

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It just gets me with Mythic sometimes though. If they had been listening to the TL's all along, I wonder how good this game could really be. I mean you had good TL's and other people who have done test after test and submitted logs and results and for over a year, that stuff was just ignored. Then Mythic rolls out this TL liaison guy and they think they've done something great.

It's something they should have been doing all along.

 

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Reminds me of this group we found on Mordred in DF @ Princess.

We had like 5 of us and a couple lowbies and we got demolished by 4 Savages with 2 Shaman buff bots. =0|

We had no end regen or CC, and we managed to kill the bots.

OMG FOTM OMG

 

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skeltah to log in ty

 

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maybe they got sick and tired of the zerg ruining every 8v8 they ever had, or running around emain for hours w/nothing to kill because the zerg is camping mmg

dunno, just a thought.

 

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Balance will be a non-issue in 9 months.

New lvl51 Weapons:

Each realm gets the other realm's weapon advantage. BMs and Mercs of all specs now have access to 4.x/2.x weapon setup so they can experience the haste effect that Berserkers have had. Hunters get slow bow to match Ranger/Scout. Friar gets faster staff to match VW, who got slower scythes to match Friar.

ToA Races:
Albs finally get their ~90-100 STR race.
Mids finally get their +Piety race.
Hibs probably get +Con race.

Master Levels:
They'll no doubt add more abilities to the realms that don't have them.

Past
Berserkers vs BM/Merc. Berserkers enjoyed 4.x/2.x setup for Hast Effect, 7min timer on Frenzy and good styles.

Future
Berserkers vs BM/Merc. All 3 use 4.x/2.x setup for Haste Effect, all abilities on 7min timer. All have crap styles.

I don't know about you, but this isn't the kind of balance I wanted. I didn't want Red vs Blue vs Green. I guess in the end, the only way to shut all the whiners up is to make carbon copies of all the realms though.

 

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Directly from ghale himself:

<Ghaletul> Sorry mistwraith that we moved to mid. I sold my cleric cuz i thought i wouldt be playing anymore. It turns out i could. WZ had no clerics so couldnt really rvr. We moved to hib/palo but it was a ghost town. We were gonna go to hib/lance but didnt wanna be called KoS's lap dogs, which is what would have happened. So we started a guild on mid/lance. As for svgs, we have one, Cerwyn. We have been running with Carcinogen , Zweihainder, and Cursive
<Ghaletul> As far as ez mode. I don't see how my pick up group with an aug healer and a sm/rm just owning your group after they popped baod is ez mode.
<Ghaletul> But whatever.
<Ghaletul> the make up of that group? aughealer, pac healer, skald, r3 svg(phear !), r3 svg with det1 ! haha, and a sm and rm
<Ghaletul> oh, and a non end 5 shammy.
<Ghaletul> ya, ez mode for sure.
<Ghaletul> phear my pick up groups ez modeness.
<Ghaletul> wtf does MW have to say about ez mode after hitting r11 in a caster dominated game
<Ghaletul> what the (stuff) is he talking about
<Ghaletul> im SORRY HIS GUILD ISNT RUNNING AN A TEAM
<Ghaletul> your pick up groups arent gonna roll pepole
<Ghaletul> btw , when you cast moc, try moving you bastard
<Ghaletul> when u cast moc and sit there
<Ghaletul> we just back up and emote u.
<Ghaletul> ie: 45 mins ago
<Ghaletul> after ur group moced
<Ghaletul> and got owned
<Ghaletul> and mid isnt the EZ EZEZ MODE
<Ghaletul> melee is overpowered atm
<Ghaletul> try running a hib tank group
<Ghaletul> and u wont get rolled so much
<Ghaletul> and dont come on the vn boards and try to flame wz, please.
<Ghaletul> would you like everyone on the server to make flame posts about how KoS used to be good but now they suck?
<Ghaletul> would u like me to make posts about how kos disappears after tk and release (gently touches them in bad places without consent) them?
<Ghaletul> would you like me to make posts about how a kos druid would probly rather be a shammy in a release group then roll with kos?
<Ghaletul> would u like me to make posts about how a r11 chanter got rolled by a (bad) pick up group?
<Ghaletul> cuz that's what happens on a daily basis
<Ghaletul> but NO , once wz wants to move realms
<Ghaletul> cuz we've been on the most overpopulated realm for like 18 months
<Ghaletul> god, better go flame them
<Ghaletul> maybe our alts can ding 50 off of killing your groups
<Ghaletul> AGAIN.

^^ The man has spoken

 

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was Deleted actually running 1g?

cause they werent on sat night but we beat them anywayz once but they are still low RRs
(it could have been groups taggin on there butts)

they will be RR5 in no time and then run 1g

i seem to remember them only having 1 savage



im glad they moved since it gives more on the other side...

ghale i wouldnt say KOS sucks now - they have just been carebearing...and yes mist melee rules the game right now sad


 

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It's funny hearing members of the original EZ Mode Ganker Guild complaining about other realms operating in "ez mode".

 

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PBAE gank was never even close to as easy mode as melee is now.

 

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defag to lick ghale's bung hole some more

 

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i'm sure it was tons easier, especially when you could farm all of your rp's by sitting in an mg tower.. or the thimble.. or a keep's lord's room...

 

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LOL I love how ghale in there says he's not on easy mode. Then says it was easy to roll a high RR guild group with a low RR pickup group.

 

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yes ahamade because it was so hard to copy and paste what ghale said in irc onto vn. hold on ghale is calling for me to finish, back in a few minutes~

 

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Swing more Deflag!

 

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i will try but its going to be hard.

and i certainly cant ever wish to swing as much as xearoii does on ahamades nuts, i can only hope to achieve that one day

 

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MW you are OG FOTM scout than enchanter come on. All you do is blow your wad and go hide for 30 min. omg lame. DELETED it best thing to happen to mid, not like there guild is 52 percent savage.

 

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Defalg,

Do you understand that you are nothing but a piece of trash?

Seriously, stfu.

Ahamade is a friend, big deal. I don't do what he says, and I never will.

 

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Yes, pbaoe was extremely hard I mean... running 3 chanters into a zerg and pbaoeing then dieing is uber hard... camping AMG box, uber hard, camping lord rooms, uber hard, camping thimble, uber hard.... cut the bs, in a melee group you actually need competant tanks that dont just spam 1 button over and over again like pbaoers, you actually have to heal constantly, zergs are nearly impossible in large numbers, but then you have 3 chanters doing a 332 dmg pbaoe spell while 99% of the population of the zerg has incredibly low resists (SC and Resists buffs did not exsist). And if didn't KoS get rolled everytime baod was down by v23? Cry more Mist, nobody really cares that you can't play your FoTM enchanter anymore, how about trying to heat debuff, dd and maybe assist with another caster? Nah thats too much effort, I rather just pop moc and then get stunned by a warrior/arms/pally/etc... When we hit you 8v8 yesterday, you MoCed and pbaoed... you were the only PBAoEr in group, it was basically free purge if anyone had an effect on them, so either A. roll a useful class (tank) or B. Learn to play your chanter in a more useful way.

 

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I thought Mist started the enchanter FOTY

 

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Its easy to roll three of a kind, but hard to roll Yahtzee.

 

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<-- reactivated warrior its fun now with end =p been long time

 

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I didn't even play during the Mistwraith PBAE days.

It might of been easy to kill back then, but that was due to all you idiots who didn't understand how to run away from a PBAE caster.

I'm sorry, but pbae isn't jack when all you have to do is backup.

V23 did well because they were good players using their given abilites to the max. They had ae stun which worked 10x's better with PBAE then mezz and pbae.

The game before ra's and before any of you kiddies got 50 was 1million times better then this garbage rvr of today.

 

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I amazed every day by the amount of chest beating that release does. Not even v23 or lagged again were this bad.

 

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amazed is like 10 years old irl.

 

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Defag, you reposted what was on irc becasue your the nut swinger. Why not let ghale post on here himself? Are you not doing what your acusing xearoii of doing?

Logic>you

 

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So....Can I have AE stun next patch? hehe wink

 

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And Amazed.

You are one of the biggest idiots.

STFU.................

 

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http://guilds.camelotherald.com/guilds/guild.php?s=Lancelot&g=200

To the person who said they run with 3 savs, plz take a look. I've never seen more than 1 at a time.

MW: I never considered you a complainer, but you really lost what respect I ever had for you here. r10l10 or whatever you have doesn't mean the game works the way you want it, it only means you have more freetime than any normal person should be entitled to.



 

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"I amazed every day by the amount of chest beating that release does. Not even v23 or lagged again were this bad."


Elanunn this isnt chest beating, its statement of facts. Big difference.

Thx for your input though n00b.

 

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Hahha! Did I hear Mistwraith dissin Warder Zerg for being EZ mode?..

Let me remind you Mistwraith:

Abusing Instant aoe Mez and Pbaoe all months long when there no such things as Resist/Det. Not only one chanter with mez is deadly enough ..you gotta have multiple Enchanter to back you up ... wow! isn't that the God of all ez mode speakin to us.

Tank only dangerous in organize group ...maybe except Savages teheehee.

Maybe Caster should assist more ..instead thinkin of soloin everyone

 

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"We were gonna go to hib/lance but didnt wanna be called KoS's lap dogs"

Nobody that has come to hib/lance has ever been called KoS lapdogs, or copycats, or wannabes, or whatever. Why? Because KoS isn't a gimmick group. We have always run a mixed group of classes, regardless of what the fotm is. However, many groups that have gone to Midgard and rolled melee gank groups have been called LA copycats.

"wtf does MW have to say about ez mode after hitting r11 in a caster dominated game"

Sorry, but over 3500 deaths is pretty clear indication that I never achieved my rps in ez mode. Even when casters were at their most powerful, they weren't half as powerful as the mid gank groups are today.

"btw , when you cast moc, try moving you bastard"

First of all, you can't cast while moving, so moving while using moc is pretty silly. Secondly, after I casted moc and you guys backed off, I immediately switched to your healer. I cast stun, it was resisted. I cast heat debuff, it was resisted. I got a couple of nukes in, moc runs out, non stop interuptions. Moc is only 15 seconds at best. If I'm being hit, I have to wait 3 seconds of that 15 before I an cast, so it's effectively only 12 seconds. BTW, I only had moc up during one of the battles we fought.

"sm/rm just owning your group"

Your casters did crap to our group. It was the tanks that killed us.

"try running a hib tank group"

Isn't that what I said in my original post? How this is nothing but a melee game now? That only tank groups can compete?

"dont come on the vn boards and try to flame wz"

Sorry to flame WZ, but I used to like you guys so much. Like I said before, I really enjoyed our fights. Now it's nothing more than another mid gank group.

"how kos disappears after tk and release"

I think tk and release can both testify how many times we come back out, trying again and again to find a way to beat them. Hell, how many times did you kill my pickup group this morning before some of us logged and the group fell apart?

"how a kos druid would probly rather be a shammy in a release group then roll with kos"

Everyone who has played both hib and mid agrees that mid is much more powerful.

"would u like me to make posts about how a r11 chanter got rolled by a (bad) pick up group"

Again, the whole point I am trying to make. It just goes to show how incredibly unbalanced this game has become.



 

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Ahamade, ghale is banned from VN boards, which makes it very difficult for him to post.

 

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"Sorry, but over 3500 deaths is pretty clear indication that I never achieved my rps in ez mode. Even when casters were at their most powerful, they weren't half as powerful as the mid gank groups are today."

RUN A HIB MELEE GROUP, THEYRE JUST AS POWERFUL OMG

i'm increidbly sorry to here that your original 3 chanter/1 ment/2 druids/1 bard/1 warden combo doesn't work anymore, maybe its time to try something new =\

 

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ghal cant post on VN ahamade hes perma banned

 

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"And Amazed.

You are one of the biggest idiots.

STFU................. "


lol Xearoii acting like he was actually good in DAoC when he played hib/lance.

Let me reflect back on all the times your groups rolled us, umm ok im done, it was never.

lol maluv talkin shit about me too, even tho he was the most useless LA player in it's history and god after grouping with him, words cant even describe how annoying he is
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Flame me all u want it doesnt bother me at all

 

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/wave mist


Was fun dancing with you at bled on Sunday. Too bad you didn't unstealth to fight. Don't blame ya though. Ranger would not fair well against a sorc and theurg combo.

Anyway /dance /dance /dance.

 

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"Because KoS isn't a gimmick group. We have always run a mixed group of classes, regardless of what the fotm is."

It doesn't take any special class combination to whine and make excuses when things don't go your way.

KoS has that move down real well these days.

 

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"lol maluv talkin shit about me too, even tho he was the most useless LA player in it's history and god after grouping with him, words cant even describe how annoying he is
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says the guy who didn't even know to run energy chant vs hibs until he hit rr8.

 

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I think tk and release can both testify how many times we come back out, trying again and again to find a way to beat them. Hell, how many times did you kill my pickup group this morning before some of us logged and the group fell apart?


Come back out after 30 min and your wad is up. And then come back out the next morning and farm noobs.

 

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Hey Amazed.

I fought your group 3x's ever.....

Once we beat you and release at thimble (we had a animist).

I was moving and not playing the game during your whole LA time period.. Just because you saw my character "Xearoii" doesn't mean it was me. My account was whored out.

Get your facts straight Amazed.

You are nothing but a annoying kid IRL w/ no friends who sits on the PC all day bragging about how big his virtual penis is.

NOW STFUUUUU..

 

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"let the new-comers KW become to top Hib Emain Competition"


They've pretty much vanished from the server. Just what everyone figured would happen.

 

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"your original 3 chanter/1 ment/2 druids/1 bard/1 warden combo"

Actually, never ran that combo. Back when casters were popular, we only had 1 druid. 2 druids is something new now that melee groups are all the rage. It was also rather rare to have a warden. And we always tried to have 1 or 2 tanks. The heavy caster groups haven't been around for like 9 months or more now anyway.

"RUN A HIB MELEE GROUP"

Sorry, but I enjoyed this game much more back in the day when you could run a mixed group and still effectively compete. Made for a much more interesting and fun game.

"Come back out after 30 min"

Like I said before, I only had my ra's up for just one of the many fights we had with WZ this morning. Anyone that has ever grouped with me can attest to how I hate spending any time at dl, and am always chomping at the bit to go back out immediately.

"Was fun dancing with you at bled on Sunday"

Hehe, I'm not crazy enough to try to solo the two of you. happy

 

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"Actually, never ran that combo. Back when casters were popular, we only had 1 druid. 2 druids is something new now that melee groups are all the rage. It was also rather rare to have a warden. And we always tried to have 1 or 2 tanks. The heavy caster groups haven't been around for like 9 months or more now anyway."

close enough =p

 

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Why does release always brag so much when they use radar and savages?

Release are skilled enought to get by without but they chose not to.

Whatever.

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"And then come back out the next morning and farm noobs"

I just wanted to add that most of the albs out this morning were very high realm rank, as were many of the hibs in my group. The low realm rank WZ mid gank group was owning everyone easily, however, so the albs were starting to zerg. The zerg fights were still much more of an interesting and challenging fight than the ones with WZ. This server (maybe others, I don't know) is getting flooded with mid gank groups now.

 

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What happened yesterday when an 8 man Hibby group tore up release a few times while trying a new set up that included healers and melee only?? I think that group than added MW later on but... Maybe what was being reported in chat was a lie but from what i understand they handled the mids nicely...

 

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xearoii, your hib gank groups of yesteryear would get so owned by the gank groups of now, since we all know hib groups depend on group purge as a crutch to not getting mez.

RVR WITHOUT RAS = HIBS MEZZED FOR 3 HRS

 

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xearoii said:

>You are nothing but a annoying kid IRL w/ no >friends who sits on the PC all day bragging >about how big his virtual penis is.


reminds me of you 6 months ago

actually it reminds me of you now

Xearoii chest beating

 

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<<Its easy to roll three of a kind, but hard to roll Yahtzee>>

This is the best post on this thread so far.

 

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so much h8

lancelot has turned into a whos penis is bigger contest.

There is nobody here better then anyone, so people quit trying to act all tough and big.

I mean honestly do you think your h8 will change something?

Since when has h8 ever changed anything?

Example: Saddam is still alive, americans die on a daily basis to terrorist attacks, and these are americans with machine guns and specially trained to kill.

Everyone please jump off your high horse and lets just have some kind of fun, it is a game afterall and we should all respect each others abilitys.

 

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One sec, let me get more popcorn.

 

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We don't all get MACHINE guns .. It just looks that way on TV... This is jsut a game thats why I don't get overly worked up when I get rolled nor do I care what the FOTM is.. I say roll waht you have fun with.. If a gank group si rocking the world in time we will figure out the best formula to beat them and make them obselete

 

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"Violence is the supreme authortiy, from which all other authority is derrived. Naked force has resolved more issues throught history than any other factor. The contrary belief, that violence never solves anything, is wishful thinking at it's worst. People who forget that always pay."

-Heinlein (from his book 'starship troopers')


See: World War I, II.



Hatred facilitates violence, and violence facilitates change.

Even in a videogame, although it is different of course. It can be quite the motivational tool.

 

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"However, many groups that have gone to Midgard and rolled melee gank groups have been called LA copycats. "

Most of the people calling groups copycats were from KoS. Nobody else really noticed or cared.

 

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I <3 penguins love

 

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(golden too lazy to log on own sn)

It doesn't take skill to run savages and pac healers. But almost every other mid class is broken, and their RA's almost all suck.

And amazed, I had no idea what an ass you could be.

 

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"Starship Troopers" was a parody. It was a jab at the folly of humanity. I don't think any quote from that book was meant to be taken seriously.

Violence can facilitate change but openmindedness, mutual respect and humility can facilitate a healthier change.

 

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I <3 penguins +1

 

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Odd, I thought Starshiptroopers was semi serious political comentary (although it might have been misguided at times). The movie obviously was a parody but I am not so sure about the book.

The Forever War on the other hand was most certainly a jab at the folly of humanity and regarded by many as the counterargument to starship troopers.

 

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I <3 Tacos in case anyone had forgotten. But I also <3 Chinese food cause its like totally sweet.

 

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What about Fast Times at Ridgemont High or Animal House?

 

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"Starship Troopers" was a parody. It was a jab at the folly of humanity. I don't think any quote from that book was meant to be taken seriously."
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Even if the book was satire (and i don't believe that it is), the quote is historically accurate.

The movie is brilliant as well, because the scope of the political organisim is preserved nicely just beneath the standard packaging that you need to have in a movie to sell it to the american public.

 

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All i remember is some big ass bugs eating some tiny people and stuff.. Oh and like they all got cool tattoos and I think there was a love story in it too...

 

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Sorry, but our bard back then would outmezz you anyday Frec.

My posts in that thread are nothing compared to some of the trash on this board from many of you.

I'm glad you take the time to actually trace down all my posts and read them.

Fear it ^X^

 

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Heinlen was a genious at taking the foibles of mankind and placing them in a futuristic setting. My take from the majority of his books was that no matter how advanced we became technologically, we would always be susceptible to the same faults we have always been. The underlying message being technology alone can not make humans better.

True about the movie, though. It was a more cartoonish form of parody.

 

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Actually I provided him with that link X. I read the fighter forums all the time, go figure. Since you have begun posting there more often, I've noticed your propensity to stretch the truth to make yourself sound good. If you follow your posts on that board, when people question your knowledge, you point out that you were rank 8 and such n such time. It started out as 8 months in, and as time goes by gets shorter and shorter. Currently, according to you, you were Realm Rank 8 in January of 2002(4 months into game). That is a gigantic lie. I dare you to argue this point with me.

I really don't care what you claim, you can claim rank 10 on day 2 if you want, but it just shows that your word is meaningless. Your known for your chest beating and your casual disregard for the truth, why stop now? happy

 

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<Most of the people calling groups copycats were from KoS. Nobody else really noticed or cared. >

thats not true Hyglec - most recognized this and posted about it. Even more midgard guilds as such are still popping up on all servers. Do you think this isnt true?

i think mists post came out stronger than he first wanted but his last post he clarified a lot of things.

I think your quarrel is with Mythic tho mist...Deleted wanted a change and for good reason. PLus they only have 1 savage so i have respect for them for that. Release on the other hand...2-3 saveges in every group.

One thing deleted is showing all the other tools on mid lance is that warriors are a great tank and can be used as such. I heard so many complaints about warriors it was truly funny. Also you hear so many complaints about healers...guess those were unfounded.

hopefully well have some good battles with Deleted and show them how to really play an alb group O_o :P especially be some good fights after they actually make it so casters can compete again since albion takes the largest loss there.

how did this turn into a release beat off party?

 

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Altrax, how many wars have there been in the last 50 years?

How many insurections have there been in the last 50 years that have been resoleved without wars.

Case closed, please dont try and say wars and violence solves problems. They dont.

My point is that lately people on these boards have some extreme hatred, this is RL hatred to someone whom they never met. This is a video game, its made for entertainment. People should not judge others by their actions in a game. nor should people hold any actions from a video game against them personally.

People just grow up, learn that your playing a game and you win some and you lose some. In the end there you should be satisfied with your gaming experience, if not dont hold grudges agasint people, log off and play another game.

 

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Viv the quote is not 100% historically accurate. True, violence has often been the catharsis for change but not exclusively. The spread of Christianity is mostly responsible for the emergence of mainland Europe as the focal point of the world where previously the Mediterranean and the Middle East was the focal point. That was a pretty major change, agree?

Violence promotes rapid change. Peaceful methods promote slower, more stable change...which tends to make those changes less noticable.

The Vikings are a perfect example of the peaceful vs violent change. Everyone knows that The Vikings ravaged the British Isles and while they had some effect the net change is less than those Vikings who eventually established trade routes from the North of Russia, through Poland all the way down to the Middle East. Those trade routes helped civilize those peoples and exposed Eastern Europe to a civilization that was both better and more peaceful than that of the hordes who roamed the steppes.

Sorry for the history lesson but the quote is not accurate and does not even reflect Heinlen's own personal beliefs.

 

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Ok now for my serious response to this post.

WZ/Deleted has been through about 20 different possible group set-ups. The final 8 man group hasn't even been "finalized" yet. I, myself am lvling up a healer but due to a long much needed vacation, am far behind everyone else.

We also have 2 more people to add to the mix that haven't even started lvling their chars. More than likely they will be casters.

So the WZ mid groups you see out there today won't be the end product.

We don't even have 3 savages in the guild. But yes at times while the rest of us catch up and the 50s in the guild get to know their chars etc, you may see them running with 2 or maybe 3 savages <gasp>. Probably whoever is standing at mpk yelling lfg.

And yea Mist, the old WZ Alb groups were great. It was nice being able to run an 8 man alb group that was successful and did well. But playing on Alb/Lance for almost 2 years got to all of us. Until you've played Alb/Lance for that amount of time you can't understand our frustrations and how burnt out each of us were.

And with the amount of the old WZ crew that moved to Mid/Lance and all the new friends we've made I'm pretty certain our group set up will change on a daily basis.

We didn't move to mid to make the typical "gank group". We moved there for a much needed change and to try out some new characters to make the game new and fun again. If you look at our guild roster you'll see Cerwyn made a savage and Jace who was an existing friend from mid/lance. The rest are hardly what you can call typical gank group material.

What WZ has "become" is a group of friends playing new characters and enjoying each other and the game again. To me, that's all that matters.



 

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"i think mists post came out stronger than he first wanted"

Yeah, that's probably true Haggai. I'm just upset that yet another group of people that I enjoyed fighting has turned into yet another mid gank group that makes it impossible for me to play my caster.

"I think your quarrel is with Mythic tho mist"

True again. Mythic seems utterly incapable of fixing their own game. Any well balanced group should be able to compete with any other group from another realm that is of similar realm rank and skill.

 

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So pathetic that people of talent run to easy mode. Lagged again didn't last long without easy mode. Kinda depressing.


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"Altrax, how many wars have there been in the last 50 years?"
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Four? Five? Something like that.

I'm not sure what the relevance of this question is.





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I never said violence was the only way to solve a problem, but it most certianly is the most absolute way to solve one.





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You cannot argue if you are dead. Case closed.






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"My point is that lately people on these boards have some extreme hatred, this is RL hatred to someone whom they never met. This is a video game, its made for entertainment. People should not judge others by their actions in a game. nor should people hold any actions from a video game against them personally."
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I would be inclined to agree, somewhat, with this statement. There is definately a difference between simulated combat for entertainment purposes, and everyday life.

Then again, humanity has historically had difficulty seperating the two.

See: Sports. Football, Soccer, Hockey, etc.


The fact that this is a videogame instead of a hockey rink does not make it any different, i'm afraid.





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You need to understand that competetion is in essence conflict, regardless of the medium. Some games have laid back atmospheres, and some have highly charged atmospheres. Can you guess what classification DAOC tends to fall into?

There are emotions that tend to come with certian forms of conflict. You can't ask people to stop being people just because you're some damn hippy.

Also, there is NO RELATION between holding grudges and being able to tell the difference between what is a game and what is not.

 

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Non-violent conflict resolution worked at a very visible large scale level for Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., and others indeed (as defined by Henry David Thoreau.) I guess you could say Jesus practiced Civil Disobedience as well.

Unfortunately, they were all killed =(.

Historically, might has always been a prime vehicle for change, and often the most expedient and cost-effective solution to a social problem.

All that aside... I woulda killed bugs too had they launched a meteor at my hometown =)

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what bugs me is how people actually need to form gank groups now. It's rather sad. I picked my arms back in November of 2002, and haven't given up on him yet. I've got buddies who say "We should roll infs and make an inf gank group." My character selection screen still has yet to be graced by an inf. I think the game is a TON more fun when you run a pick-up group, take a few minutes to decide what each person is supposed to do, then head out. I used to run in pick-up groups w/ Sodie & Wana earlier in the year, and sometimes we'd be rolled, sometimes we'd win. The point was, these groups weren't predetermined, it was "Who've we got today?". It just makes me sad that people would roll a class knowing they'll only run as a gank group constantly. I dunno, I think I've lost my point already...

 

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<Sorry, but over 3500 deaths is pretty clear indication that I never achieved my rps in ez mode. Even when casters were at their most powerful, they weren't half as powerful as the mid gank groups are today.>


The first 500 deaths you rolled in ez mode until everyone in Emain got to a higher rank and now your death totals have soared. Just imagine if nobody caught on to your nightly ez mode tower camping routine we wouldn't be reading this thread. Hope you don't lose respect for us all that would be a tragedy.

 

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I guess you failed to notice the ":p" in the post.

I was simply trying to state that I was s/s for a long period of time and that I had a lot of experience with s/s in pve and rvr.

Which I very much did.

The numbers were not to be exact but to clearly state the experience I had.

Sorry you took that the wrong way, but that's what I meant from it.

Next time I will say.

Hi, I played s/s since start and was spec s/s until 7L9 whre I respecced hybrid/lw until 8L4.

**The point I also mentioned that it was near start was because RP's were a lot harder to get compared to today. Remember when a FG would get like 48 rp's a kill?

I spent such a long time and a lot of /play as a s/s hero.

Oh well...

 

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X has a big e-penis?


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I don't care what WZ or Release or KoS or TK are up to, but Mistwraith saying he was never on EZ mode is the biggest joke I've heard in a long time.

Before Determination/IP/Purge were set to lower costs (well into MW's RR9), PBAE KoS groups had 100% EZ mode.

Complain all you want about the current state of melee in the game, but PBAE had just as easy a time before RA's, SC, Resist Buffs and End Regen.

How quickly we forget the months of AE Mez, PBAE, 16 dead Mids in 5 seconds. 'w00t I am uber l33t Enchant0r!'

 

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The impression I got from Starship Troopers (the movie) were that the bugs were simply trying to protect their own territory. When humans starting encroaching on bug space, they did really mean things to the bugs. So the bugs launched this big rock at Buenos Aires.

So yeah, I thought the humans were the bad guys.

Anyway, it's funny to see Ahamade complain about wars and violence when he was the first one to start throwing mud around.

>>defag to lick ghale's bung hole some more

Yup, how charming... Thoreau would have been proud.

 

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"The spread of Christianity is mostly responsible for the emergence of mainland Europe as the focal point of the world where previously the Mediterranean and the Middle East was the focal point. That was a pretty major change, agree?"
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Yes i agree. But are you saying that the spread of Christianity was peaceful?

It was partially facilitated and instigated through violence. The very religion itsself is based in violence and fear.

Basically: If you do not do as you are told (by god), then you will suffer violence forever after.





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"The Vikings are a perfect example of the peaceful vs violent change. Everyone knows..."
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This is not exactly to the point of the discussion. You are talking about wanton violence, pilliging in essense. There is a difference between being violent 'just because', and being violent to achieve a greater end.

And of course, the scope and sucess of that end is limited by the intelligence and planning of the aggressor.

But i digress... The statement was made (in essence) that violence never solves anything, and that alone is what i am disagreeing with.




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Heinlein was a career military officer. He was all about civic virtue (which is what starship troopers is really about).

 

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I remember when I got my first solo kill for a whopping 39 RPs outside CS. I remember what points you would get for kills in those first 4 months. I also know you were the #1 ranked Hero by a large margin very early on.

My point was, being so casual with facts regarding the competative side of this game makes you sound like nothing more than a braggart. And the way your posts progressed didn't help, constantly becoming a shorter and shorter time.

Putting a tongue behind something doesn't negate a statement, nor does it mean you were just kidding. No one will argue that you were the hero with the most RPs early on, but you should be more careful with the way you phrase things. It's a tendancy of yours that alot of people have noticed. If this wasn't your intention, here's a heads up for you. If it was your intention to stretch the truth, your not fooling anyone, so another head's up. Either way, your now aware.

 

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Wow did this post get off topic. Ez mode is relative and can be done by all 3 realms. All you need is 8 people that play together all the time and know thier jobs (ie lagged again). LA did it on mid, they did it in hib and I have no doubt they could do it in alb.

Sure tanks groups own now and if that will change after mythic does thier resists stuff I dunno. I'm personally saving up my RA points for the chance I'll need DET5.

We all know the cookie cutter mid group but a hib group of 2 bards, 1 druid, 1 healing warden and a mix of 4 tanks could easily compare to a mid gank group. The difference is hib needs 2 bards. This would be used for speed 6 and running double end in battles.

Many times people get on bards so fast they cant get end up fast enough. 2 bards fixes that. Our CO tank groups do just fine against mid tank groups.

As for Alb I'm not really sure, I don't have enough experience to throw out useless bullcrap that I wouldnt be able to back up with exp (like everyone should).

Take care and everyone dream of large women and whipcream.

 

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X was slightly more large headed 16 months ago but he has changed a lot. I think i made fun of him back then. Give the guy a break.

he is honestly in there trying to help. Is there something wrong with that Garloch?

Frec - your not honestly defending Amazed are you? hes got to be the most immature person on these boards. If he keeps it up he might just get noticed by more people for only flames and idiocy spewing from his keyboard.

 

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Atrax, when 2 basketball teams have a match, what do the players do at the end? They shake hands, right now on lance everyone does everything possible to spit on their enemy. They call them names, they harass them, and they are just plain rude to them.

What I am saying is this is a game, its competition, its conflict, but people are getting quite personal lately. Cheap shots every now and then are cool, but the blatent flamming on a personal level just makes worse then it already is.

 

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Good response Viv. We could discuss it more but you've already clarifed your first post enough for me. No sense in debating an argument we clearly see both sides on. I took your first post as being absolute when, in fact it wasn't.

We'll now return this thread to it's regularly scheduled squabble wink

 

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I had Carl's Jr. for lunch today.

 

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"Atrax, when 2 basketball teams have a match, what do the players do at the end? They shake hands, right now on lance everyone does everything possible to spit on their enemy. They call them names, they harass them, and they are just plain rude to them."
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Are you serious?

Sometimes they shake hands. Sometimes they trash talk each other, it depends on the nature in which the opposing team carried themselves during the game. Sometimes during a hockey game a player will give a nod to a player on the opposing team for a good play. And sometimes they will shove a fist in their face for doing something underhanded or trash talking.

The same is true with DAoC and any other high-intensity form of organized conflict entertainment. It is no different.




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"What I am saying is this is a game, its competition, its conflict, but people are getting quite personal lately. Cheap shots every now and then are cool, but the blatent flamming on a personal level just makes worse then it already is"
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This is human nature while in competetion. Person to Person conflict is a somewhat personal affair. Especially when you consider the massive amount of time the average player needs to put into this game and their characters.

 

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Ahamade, I'm calling you on that. I seem to remember you doing a fair share of name calling a few weeks ago when talking about zergs.

BTW, I like you better this way (more amiable) FWIW.

 

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Frec - your not honestly defending Amazed are you? hes got to be the most immature person on these boards. If he keeps it up he might just get noticed by more people for only flames and idiocy spewing from his keyboard.

no I just like pointing out hypocrites.

 

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Gairloch.

I was there to help, not to brag. I've played a hero and now I've played a arms.

Armsman in general, just like warriors seriously have no idea just how good their classes are.

I have been trying to offer the fighter community a viewpoint coming from a hero currently playing a arms.

The armsman is a great class and I don't look at the double spec as being a huge issue.

A lower rr arms w/ max quick has a higher damage cap and does more average damage then my higher rr hero w/ no quick.

The arms also has 39 slash 1h for decent damage while being a guardbot.

I like that spec and how that works so much that I'm going to respec my own hero (50LW,42Shield,39Parry,6Blades) to (50CS,42Shield,39Blades,6Parry).

 

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Please, don't use basketball players as role models for good citizenry and fair play =) They ain't shining examples of much anymore.

Besides, those guys tend to be too friendly on court IMO. I much prefer the angry intesity of hockey players (minus Jaromir Jagr) and football players to the amiable attitude of basketball players.

What was this thread about again?

 

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"The first 500 deaths you rolled in ez mode until everyone in Emain got to a higher rank and now your death totals have soared. Just imagine if nobody caught on to your nightly ez mode tower camping routine we wouldn't be reading this thread."

Well, this statement is wrong on very many levels. My death rate has always been fairly consistent, because I have always tended to earn a large percentage of my rps on suicide battles. Dive bombing 3g of an alb zerg, while a lot of fun, almost always ends in my entire group dead. LA, on the other hand, could kill that same 3g without a single death. So we both ended up with the same amount of realm points, just that LA survives and we don't. Tower camping started as a means to fight the alb zerg. It lasted about 3 or 4 weeks, until the alb zerg figured out how to combat it, and it became obsolete and disgarded. So 1 month out of the more than 12 months that I have been playing MW, I spent a small amount of time camping in the tower (mainly just at night when the zergs were bad). A good tower camping would give me maybe 2k to 3k rps before I died (most of my life as a chanter has been simply how many can I kill before I die). So you can see that it accounts for a tiny % of my 12.5 million rps.

Pbae was never an easy means of earning rps for hibs, as it is SO very easy to avoid. We don't have the aoe stun of Midgard. The minute I run in and pbae a group, they are free to move, meaning they can run out of range, insta mezz/stun me, put pets on me, hit me, etc. Even Ghaletul in his post was laughing at how easy pbae is to avoid. I have actually killed far more people with stun/debuff/nuke than I have with pbae. It just isn't as flashy, so people just don't notice it as much. I have had some spectacular results with pbae, but only against people who weren't paying attention and/or who weren't playing smart.

The trouble with mid melee gank groups is that you can play as smart as you want, you just don't have a chance to win unless you have the exact right classes with the exact right ra's up, and even then you have to get lucky. I totally agree with Aragornius about how much more fun this game is when you can play with different people and different class combinations.

 

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"So pathetic that people of talent run to easy mode. Lagged again didn't last long without easy mode. Kinda depressing."

lol, idiot.

where have you been?

our hibs were alot stronger than our mids in alot of ways, the reason we left was because of the server..

 

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"Atrax, when 2 basketball teams have a match, what do the players do at the end? They shake hands, right now on lance everyone does everything possible to spit on their enemy. They call them names, they harass them, and they are just plain rude to them. "


Ahmade, the game is not over yet. I am willing to bet that after people move from DAoC to a different game, that they will readily group from someone that played lancelot in another realm because of a shared experience of playing on the same server.

 

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BTW, some statistics for you:

Maxiuus (highest ranking member of LA)
5,905,909 rps
1,048 deaths
5635 irs

Mistwraith
12,514,225 rps
3,550 deaths
3525 irs

My irs this past week is 3245, so you can see it's staying fairly consistent.

 

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I wasn't critcising your advice to the fighter community about spec lines in the least. I don't think anything in either of my posts reflected on that.

What prompted me to post that, was your response to Frec about the ability to mez. The game from then to now is light years apart, and it sounded like chest beating to me. I pointed that thread out while chatting in IRC when the subject came up and frec linked it. I just pointed out that I provided the link for him and then proceeded to explain why. Perhaps I didn't do that very well. However, what I said was true about what you said, or maybe how you said it.

I don't doubt your knowledge in regards to the tank classes in the game, you can't play that much and not learn anything. What I didn't like was the statement you used to reinforce said knowledge in your posts. It was false, just seemed like the time to point it out.

 

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Well I will admit Mid is way easier than Alb or the Albs are just retarded.

I remember times in WZ where we rolled 3fgs of hibs and lived~ WZ was fun, but the alb zerg got to us, and when we came back to lance most of us didnt want to play alb anymore.

Hib would have been fun, but we got tons of help by going to mid (people letting us use their sm accts etc to plvl.

Being on the otherside of sos you realize how powerful it can be.

And I cant believe how many high rr albs zerg, like last night at mmg there was 5fgs of albs there, a bunch of TF and Fota.

oh btw I h8 you all for making me read through 5 pages ;d

 

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That's understandable.

I was merely trying to show my time on a tank with that statement. I will agree that I should of stated that differently.

I've seen Frec mezz (I've been stealth around TK through entire battles to watch the outcome).

The game would be 100% better without ra's.

Nothing will change my mind on that.

 

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"Being on the otherside of SoS you realize how powerful it can be."

How could you NOT know? At least you know how to deal with it...

Oh.. update yer sig Gimp.

 

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I pretty much refused to join the pbae gank groups back in the day, was skilless sloppy play. I never liked it and never will probably got 150k rp's with mist when he made those groups if that. Game is leaning more towards melee mid has the best melee so what if wz decides to make mid melee chars. ALl I want is an end regen that isn't impossible to get up Zerkers could hit for 1.5k for all I care.

 

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6 sup rms ( yes RMs ) healer shammy.... OMG!

 

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"I pretty much refused to join the pbae gank groups back in the day, was skilless sloppy play."

Oh really? Then why is it that so few pbae'ers are in the top 25 list of Lancelot, and so many of the melee gank groups are? What does that say about the relative difficulty of each method of play? So many mana chanters were rolled in hopes of imitating the success of our group. So many of them failed. Whereas nearly everyone who has created a melee gank group has succeeded. The numbers speak for themselves.

Skeltah, it's true that you hardly every played with Isis, Shae, and I. It baffles me how you can make statements about play styles you know nothing about.

 

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I personally think Ghaletul had better EZ mode in alb... Warder Zerg was a great idea and they should have stuck with it... Ghale just is lazy so he likes easier Endu regen/Easier Speed/Easier Damage.

Make no mistake... Even a crappy Alb Gank squad(like tf) can be semi-difficult blowing SoS and BoF on an 8v8 fight.

 

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<<ALl I want is an end regen that isn't impossible to get up Zerkers could hit for 1.5k for all I care.>>

And all I want is some good times on relics raids. Dude, come back.

 

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Hmm... I can attest I haven't seen Skeltah play with MW really any during the ganksquad days... usually the only non-caster/healers in grp were Aqhat(<3 shieldbot) or My shade/Grz/Aeneasx

After my move to mid I did see a group reminescent of the KoS Slut crew... with Nimm, Skeltah, Xearoii(prolly not Josh but anyway)... Didn't really see MW in those grps at all though plain

 

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"Oh really? Then why is it that so few pbae'ers are in the top 25 list of Lancelot, and so many of the melee gank groups are? What does that say about the relative difficulty of each method of play?"

I think it speaks more of how Hibs on Lance rolled over and died than of class balance in the game in general. It's not like Hibs are somehow excluded from the supposed "melee domination"; the Hero is by far the best tank in the game coupled with perfectly fine support classes with the Bard, Warden and Druid.

Stop crying about supposed "class imbalance" to cover-up Hib's inability to fight back like the rest of Lancelot does day after day.

You want respect, go earn it on the battlefield, show us what you can do with what you got; crying on the boards isn't winning any high marks.

Hibs on other servers don't seem to have trouble; some Hib realms are even dominating on their server. They probably spend more time RvRing than whining on message boards trying to get everyone to remember how they were once football heroes back in high school is my guess.

 

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Lol, like 4 different conversations going on at the same time, gota love it happy


I have to agree with MW on some level about casters. They have the toughest time now in rvr because killing them, reducing their damamge, and preventing them to do damage is incredably easy.

50%+ Resists are very easy to get nowadays and just detroyes casters because for most of them they are suppose to do high damage at range. Also CC'n is nothing to a tank so that's out of the question to.

Every single class has access to instant interupts, whether it's a haste debuff, taunt, or a dd charge, it screws us over.

And we still have paper armor and are easy to slam.

Also we are force to spend our RAs on damage so we can do the damage we should be doing as opposed to buying RAs to help our suirvivability.


So yeah, casters need help ^_^



I agree wih Amahade, to much hate on the boards for no reason. I can understand some bickering but some take it to far, no point in an activity ment for entertainment nad fun.

 

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"Why does release always brag so much when they use radar and savages??"

Oh, we use radar? Cool. I didn't realize that.

As far as I know we also haxor pvp files. We all have like 30,000 hps and weaponskills of 9000+. Our pbt runie bubble pulses at .1 sec instead of 6 sec. We also haxor'd the system so that when we use styles we gain more endurance instead of using it. We don't run at speed 6 either... it's actually speed 60.

Omg Freak u r lame. Equating savages with using a radar. Lol. Move on bro, we don't want you here anymore.

 

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Runena just restore already pls.

 

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At least your trying Mist, I'm glad your putting up the effort to have some fun competition.

/respect Mistwraith

btw DotC is almost done building back up, a couple weeks and Im sure we can have some good fun =)

 

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Best tank in Game = Savage.
Second best tank in game = Warrior.
Third best tank in Game = Mercenary.
Fourth best tank in Game = Armsmen.
Fifth best tank in Game = Blademaster.
Sixth best tank in Game = Hero.
Seventh Best tank in Game = Berzerk.

Savages are BY FAR the best tank in game.
Warrior is BY FAR the second best being able to spec defensively and STILL use a 2handed weapon to optimum effectiveness with a style like Ragnarok; also see Slash resistant armor.
Mercenaries do great damage while having good armor and good styles.
Armsmen Pole/Shield hybrid is by far a deadly combination.
A piercemaster with a snare/stun off melee styles while having slash resistant armor is amazing in group play.
Next a Hero.. While able to have LW for Stuns or Spear for... Gimpness. A hero wears slash weak armor or drops absorbtion for slash resistant reinforced... Moose is an amazing ability but mixed with slash weak armor... who cares. Everyone is already tearing your hero to pieces.
Berzerk after the Leftaxe nerf they are the black sheep. While seriously NOT the worst heavy tank in the game they just get called that so who am I to not put them below heros because being last would suck. LA damage is definately good, while 2hand zerks are not gimp either.

 

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<sigh>
I just wrote a long post and lost it all. Yay.

To summon it up, whoever said I would rather group with release than kos is an idiot.
Amazed should have his bn board access removed by his guild, on account of him being an idiot when he posts.
Vladamir is just a retard, everyone ignore him please.
WZ does have only 1 savage in their guild roster, but they run with 2-3 every day, which is gay.
Casters need help. Savages should not have more offensive and defensive power than casters.

oh and I played my phelabard against ghales group today, no one targetted me (bm disguise 4win) and had plenty of chance to mid battle mez=D

 

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No can do, Haroof.

 

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Phelankell GetsHitByGoldenAsPerMachinsRequest

 

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"Best tank in Game = Savage.
Second best tank in game = Warrior.
Third best tank in Game = Mercenary.
Fourth best tank in Game = Armsmen.
Fifth best tank in Game = Blademaster.
Sixth best tank in Game = Hero.
Seventh Best tank in Game = Berzerk."

bm's are better than mercs by a long shot.

 

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Phel, a guild group would have more than 2 members of the guild in. 2-3 savages is our guild group, thats a pick-up group.

 

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<<bm's are better than mercs by a long shot>>

Nope.

They do evade more though.

 

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<<Hibs on other servers don't seem to have trouble; some Hib realms are even dominating on their server. They probably spend more time RvRing than whining on message boards trying to get everyone to remember how they were once football heroes back in high school is my guess.>>

Impetuous, shortsighted, narrowminded, one sided...in short...classic Vlad.

He's back!

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I wouldn't say BMs are better than Mercs... BMs don't have the styles that mercs have available...
Sidewinder and Diamondback are the best styles a BM has...
Mercs can spec various different specs and be just as helpful as another.

 

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sidewinder is a POS ><

 

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Sidewinder = Melee Snare.

Thats pretty damn good actually Vivisect

 

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<<<Hibs on other servers don't seem to have trouble; some Hib realms are even dominating on their server. They probably spend more time RvRing than whining on message boards trying to get everyone to remember how they were once football heroes back in high school is my guess.>>

Impetuous, shortsighted, narrowminded, one sided...in short...classic Vlad.>>


Really sucks when someone tosses blatant honesty in your face. Classic Hib The excuse bucket never runs dry

 

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Classic Alb... the Zerg never stops multiplying.

 

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i probably posted what ghale said because he asked me too since hes banned from vn. or it could be because im hanging off his nuts worse than the 5fg behind u ahamade

 

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Nope.

They do evade more though."

/shrug

i've played your merc and my bm, buffed and unbuffed your merc wouldnt stand a chance.

bm's have a better side chain, better rear chain (opener has a snare, second has a high defense bonus), squall is a good anytime, hurricane + solar flare is good also, tripple wield, evade 3, reinforced, diamondback (if your pierce), 10s stun off parry (if you're blunt).

you don't have the utility, defense (chain is worthless =p), or the same flat out dps that a bm does

alb is even lacking a high str race atm.

 

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Gotta love dem hibbies


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I dunno Malyv.. Ive beaten BMs in duels with my ultrauber rr2 hero... but I doubt id beat many mercs.

 

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hero's rip me up in a duel unbuffed, but they get a + on me and i'm neutral to them..

fully buffed.. its a different story, i make short work of them.

edit: should have said lw/spearo's, i dont duel many shield hero's because there really arent any on merlin

 

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I dunno... Fully buffed I think it would just be easier for my defensive keen to rip up cus I have like 340dex plain

 

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i have over 330 dex fully buffed =o

edit: we could duel on pend if you want =p

 

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If i rolled a BM i don't think i'd ever use any part of the Black Widow chain whatsoever. Snare or no snare.

What i'd do is get Prevent Flight.

 

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^ dont have to

snow shower (cd rear style) has a melee snare.

"I wouldn't say BMs are better than Mercs... BMs don't have the styles that mercs have available...
Sidewinder and Diamondback are the best styles a BM has...
Mercs can spec various different specs and be just as helpful as another."

lol.

yes 3rd style in an anytime chain, aka useless..

the cd side chain beats anything mercs have happy

edit: oops, you were joking when you said sidewinder was good right? it actually hits for less than black widow at 50 because its growth rate is so low, and its the second in the chain not the 3rd.

 

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Really sucks when someone tosses blatant honesty in your face. Classic Hib The excuse bucket never runs dry >>


wonder what you are oging to do when you lose yoru relics anonymous warder member of the zerg because they are about to be gone and they aren't coming back for a long time. If you don't think hibernia can take relics you have a little lesson to learn. You might want to start lvl'ing y our savage on guin.

 

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<<Really sucks when someone tosses blatant honesty in your face. Classic Hib The excuse bucket never runs dry>>

Nice try. I'll give any Mid props for playing an underpopulated realm. However, an Alb who only pops his head out of the hole while the zerg is on top gets squat.

 

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viv, just play your Warden. =/

 

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Even better.

Like i said, machin, sidewinder is a POS. Especially because it's the second style in a chain that there is no point using on a BM, and it hits for crap damage.

 

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Why do I love it when Skeltah gets worked up and steals 6 relics? love love love

 

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I dunno Ive seen Gannon do quite a bit of damage with the Side chain in the Pierce line... And Thought Sidewinder the first part of the chain caused a Melee snare for some reason :\

 

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ah, copperhead is the first part in the pierce side chain..

the cd side chain opener has a 4s stun now, and hits for alot more than the pierce side chain, and so does the rest of it.

 

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oh... well nerf catacombs plain

 

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Skeltah please take the relics hate them sad .

 

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I am, i am. I considered rolling a BM, then i considered rolling a Merc, and i have come to the conclusion that i would rather die than carebear atm.

 

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Carebearing sucks.. but I still needa farm cash to Ablative/DoT my scale and get a set of Reinforced also.. and do the same to it plain

 

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malev, copy over to pendragon if you haven't already.

if you own me, i'll gladly report back here that you did.

doubt it would happen though.

and don't even talk about fully buffed, no one owns me when i'm fully buffed.

(ok done chest beating.....whew)

 

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Inc Pendragon duel Haroof vs. Malyv love

 

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<wonder what you are oging to do when you lose yoru relics anonymous warder member of the zerg because they are about to be gone and they aren't coming back for a long time. If you don't think hibernia can take relics you have a little lesson to learn. You might want to start lvl'ing y our savage on guin>

Nobody ever said Hibernia wouldn't get relics back but at least we have you wondering what we're going to be doing without them. Hurry with the "little lesson" its always nice to read the same story over and over again.

 

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The only change we'll see if Hib gets a lotta relics... is hib will have relics.. Albs till still care more about DF.. and Mids will still be trying to door3 gank the relics love

 

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^^^

And the next relic raid I lead will be dedicated to kyth. happy

 

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"and don't even talk about fully buffed, no one owns me when i'm fully buffed. "

conc haste > you.

i dont have a bot copied to pend, check your pm's though.

oh well, maybe we can duel on the weekend, i dont see it as much of a challenge though, i get a + on you and you get a - on me, plus my stun opens off of evade, and i have dodger 3 on pend =p

 

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First off, Mistwraiths IRS was almost always lower then the rest of his group when they were the dominating squad, because he was always the first target (it was exciting to get MW spam!). I remember when hib had 20/25 of the top IRS scores, and some of them were way high. PBAE was ridiculous...and it was capable of greater things than melee groups are now. That said they were actually possible to take down with a balanced group, unlike melee groups now. While pbae groups weren't as overpowered as melee groups are now they were absolutely the most overpowered thing in the game at the time. I would maybe call it EZ mode back then if it weren't for the fact that it was basically MW's group vs. the alb zerg 24/7. Therefore MW's group got respect from the intellegent or semi-intellegent (which category do I fall into I wonder) albs.

Basically PBAE group: Killed tons of idiots, provided fun fights for good groups.
Melee Group: Stupid.

Edit: BTW the stupid chanter pets were by far the worst part about those squads. God I hated them so much. Seriously what moron put a nuke/snare on a pet.

 

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I find it hilarious that people are already whining when Deleted is currently sucking horridly. We have rarely run guild groups (mostly what you're seeing is me, ghale, gimps in pickup groups) because our original pac healer's computer was sucking horridly and he'd lag too hard in emain to get many mezzes off, and respeccing me to pac was an inadequate solution at best, since I'm not a very good pac healer and we don't have an aug healer for our warriors. The times we have run guild groups, I think we killed a few alb pickup groups and almost gave TK a good fight without CC once.

In short, save your whining until Shens levels his pac healer up and we're actually doing something. Right now all your whining about are the 700 FOTM savages standing at MPK yelling "LFG!!!".

By the way, even the people who actually played Alb in Deleted (as opposed to just me) agree that an alb group that knows how to use SoS and BoF are much more 'EZ mode' in 8v8 than warriors and an aug healer are.

 

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i am a sucky nature druid.

bleh!

wtb single line respec so i can go back to 43 regr 32 nurture pls!

 

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Ya.. Phel sucks.. give him a respec stone.

Now come heal in rvr grp phelly love love love

 

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Ok several flawed statements in this thread here.

1. Uhm any group that 1 person from Deleted/WZ are in does not make it a WZ/Deleted group. We havent run many times at all as a group yet due to Gimpsters Gimpy ISP.

2. We have 2 savages on our roster my SI release savage that I gave to a friend when I moved back to alb to take over Dammekos.

3. As for Deleting and rolling on lance either hib or mid it came down to two things. We had the most assets available to help us level in Mid. BMs/LW Hero's are so envouge now mixed with the fact that without a enchanter you will not cannot level in Hibernia. Mid won and we decided to roll with the so not FOTM Warriors. Cerwyn after being a Armsman couldnt bare to be another heavy tank and opted for the Savage.

Tell ya what you go on over to alb lance and make a gank squad. It isnt easy mode by any stretch. Then have your clerics unable to play we only had 3 Ghaletul, Tareh and Frungy. Ghale sold due to some real life issues that passed, Tareh has limited playing hours that barely overlapped with the rest of our hours, and Frungy began talkin about becoming a buffbot again. There are about 5-6 other good 8v8 clerics out there but all are firmly entrenched in their current guilds. For about a week we sat around waiting for a TK cleric to free up. Im sorry that we chose EZ mode as you put it but I think after putting up with the hell and stupidity that is Alb/Lance we are entitled to do what we please. We earned it so to speak.

BTW you have not been rolled by WZ/Deleted since the only 3 times we as a guild have engaged a KoS group DoC was as happenstance might have us to believe right near by so we didnt only get rolled we got butchered.

Besides nothing is Ezier than early morning RvR of which KoS does a whole lot of these days.

 

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Wow Double posts for the farming goodness. Go Go Error posting your post message.

 

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<<at least we have you wondering what we're going to be doing without them.>>

Wondering? Ummm, no you won't. Albs will hang in emain until they get up the nerv to set their alarm clocks to take them from Hib. wink

 

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<<oh well, maybe we can duel on the weekend, i dont see it as much of a challenge though, i get a + on you and you get a - on me, plus my stun opens off of evade, and i have dodger 3 on pend =p>>

yea i know about the - i'll be getting on you, but that never really stopped me before from beating bms 1v1 in duels.

and i get a stun off parry. 37 +16, MoParry IV. if i do land it, its over for you, and quick.

we'll duel this weekend.

 

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love heheh Epic duel :\

 

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I'm surprised that in all this talk about bm vs. merc nobody has mentioned dirty tricks. It can't even be purged, because it just reapplies. That's 30 seconds that the bm is going to have a damn hard time hitting that merc.

I am curious about the outcome of your duel, and I do hope that both of you are buffed, because in real rvr, people are almost always buffed.

 

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I wouldn't miss the duel for anything.

 

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Well Mist with Tricks vs. Tri-wield... Merc will still win I think.

Especially if he waits for the BM to blow Tri-Wield...

 

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buffed duel with DT allowed?

does anyone still say malev walks away from this duel alive?

no way malev will allow DT. grin

 

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Tell me when this is going down plz, i want to watch. Send PM.

i will bring my bard for rezzing purposes so you can go 2 out of 3, or whatever.

 

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Malev to be eating dirt at the end of this duel.

 

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" buffed duel with DT allowed?

does anyone still say malev walks away from this duel alive?

no way malev will allow DT."

um, no dt, its cheap as hell in a duel, i wont use tw.

no buffs either, i dont have a bot copied.

i'm not sure when you want to duel, but i wont be up at 2am when you get off work so it might have to wait until the weekend.

" Malev to be eating dirt at the end of this duel."

sure cat, considering i have higher dex, higher qui, probably the same parry, higher evade, i get a bonus on him, he gets a - on me, and my stun is off of one style and his is a second part in a parry chain, and dw cut s parry in half

he doesn't have one advantage over me it seems.

we'll see.

 

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smartass, 2AM

ok this weekend is fine

 

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DW cuts BLOCK in half malev.
2h Weapons cuts PARRY in half.

Defalg cant possibly be swinging from Ghaletul. I prolly shouldnt say this but when Ghale was 10 or maybe 11 he was seriously injured at a Tractor Pull event. And uhm well.....

Eunuchs++ for the win.

 

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oops =p

 

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Hi i'm in Deleted. I really like cheesecake.

 

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I just got sick of all the bs in this game from all realms. allways whos getting rolled and so and so needs a nurf. Just play the game its not life. If you dont like the game leave.(Im almost to that point rarely have fun in rvr or pve sad . If a grp wants a change let them have fun.

 

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OMG! I like cheesecake too!

Cheesecake for teh win! love

 

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"Hi i'm in Deleted. I really like cheesecake"

Wow, you too?!

 

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I am the only Fotm, noob bangwagoner, savage in the guild.

Personaly i wanted to be a RM, but i was asked to play a tank. Since i played my armsman for almost 1.5 years the idea of a heavy tank was enough for me not to play the game.

If there was a class like the Merc Or Bladesmaster i would have played, zerker is like neither of these, and quite boring.
Thanes do not fit into the gank group idea, ghal was already a skald, so only savage was left.

The idea of being mid on this server did not appeal to be, i would have liked hib, but we have the people willing to help on mid, that hib never had.

I enjoyed my BM > my savage anyday. The class is just more enjoyable for me.

bleh why all this anyway, we have run maby for 4 days, and have hardly won a fight.

and all this about runing 3-4 savage groups is just crazy. Why would be exclude people in our guild for just LFG savages in emain or SF?

 

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A duel without dirty tricks and without buffs in no way indicates which class is more effective in rvr. Since dirty tricks is a 7 minute timer, it is up almost every battle that a merc fights in. I can't remember a single fight I have had a with a merc on my ranger where I didn't have dirty tricks on me.

Dirty tricks in not a realm ability, but rather a class ability. It's like telling a druid he can't use insta heal in a duel.

 

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Mist, I keep telling all these other Mercs that but they don't listen.

 

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Heh... DAMN DIRTY TRICKS plain

 

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Here is the million dollar question is DT effective vs everyone? No it does very little good vs targets that mercs should be killing Healers/Casters since these classes will very rarely swing at a merc. It does however help a merc protect his casters and healers.

TW is more effective than DT at doing what a BM should be doing and that is killing casters and healers. BMs have access to a rear positional snare that mercs do not have access to. Does TW help protect healers/casters like DT no it does not at all. But BMs have a snare built in.

All this being said a duel between a merc and a BM reveals nothing at all about their effectiveness in RvR. Because if they are engaged with one another before the outcome of the battle is truly decided then both are friggin morons that do not know how to play their classes. So the outcome of a duel buffed or not buffed means nothing about RvR effectiveness.

 

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Who cares it'd be a good duel...


/slap

 

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This post is getting big so I'd thought I'll pop my head in here and say

 

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wow gannd..

i never thought i'd see that pic again, i actually made that pic about a year and a half ago when i posted on genmay in the hardocp forums.

where did you find it?

 

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Well, since you all seem so concerned about what happened to us, here goes.

Around the start of summer, my grandmother was diagonosed with breast cancer, and shortly after my mother had a large tumor in her ovaries that was thought to be cancerous.

I won't bore you with details, but basically, there was a month - month and a half stretch where I didn't play at all.

While I was gone, Ghale had to sell his account, Tareh was barely playing, and Frungya wasn't playing that much. So WZ went without clerics and a GM, which basically ruined it.

When the /level command came out, they all decided to roll on Hib / Palo for whatever reason. I started playing again about a week after they started there. That pretty much fell apart because our chanters weren't playing much, and good luck on leveling in Hib without chanters.

I played a regrowth/nuture druid, and I couldn't even find groups. I had the LFG tag on all the time, and I frequently asked people for groups. It was basically, do you have a chanter or eld to bring with you ? No, well, gtfo out then. This as the primary healing class.

So we decided Palo sucked, and we wanted to come back to Lance. It was either Hib or Mid . . . and if you don't believe that, you can ask some of the hibs Ghale asked for access to their accounts for PLing purposes.

We ended up rolling Mids because three of the people that we played with on Hib/Palo had level 50 mids already. We also had access to a couple of SMs, a pac healer, a LGM SCer, and a couple of salavagers. Which meant easy leveling, cheap SCing, and getting all the money from the /salvage crap as we leveled.

We rolled Mids instead of Hibs because we had a better set-up in Mid /shrug.

As far a savages, please, when we start running real groups we'll have 1 savage. 1 savage is hardly a FoTM savage group.

And seriously, big, hearty RoFL for anyone who condemns us for leaving Alb. WZ was a blast and all, but when there's 3-4 Hib and Mid groups combined in Emain, and 8 Alb groups every nite, it gets rather boring. We spent more time trying to avoid the 3749273 albs than we did looking for fights. It was just flat out boring. There was no one to fight.

Overpowered warriors and aug healers inc.

 

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Profanity and personal attacks are against the TOS

 

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no i'm totally serious happy

it's weird because i only posted it once or twice.. someone must have saved it.

 

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I think hes pulling your chain Gannd...

Just don't let him touch the other pullable apendages shock

 

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K, i will not be abused! You piss me off Im going to oracles to raise some hell.

 

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no i'm 100% serious, if you can find an archive of the old genmay from hardocp (its floating around somewhere), you can probably find the post under the name "steal".

 

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Maluv just click properties, your find the site.

 

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Just got home..

I agree with Machin's melee list.

Merc > BM imo.

 

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Warriors are just awesome. I wish more people would start playing warriors so everyone could see how good they are with good players behind them.

 

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X, your sooo last page.

 

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I know X... My list > all love

 

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Merc > BM
especialy Crush Merc! grin

and about DT in duels
imo it's like telling a champ not to use his debuffs
like telling a pally not to use his chants
like telling a savage not to use his self insta-buffs

and DT can still be resisted.. the swing can be blocked/parried/evaded

well you get my point
so stop whining about DT.

 

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I don't know if anyone is going to read this being that it's 9 pages into the thread already......

but if we can learn one thing about this thread, it's how much tanks > casters right now. The only type of player that complains about casters is a beginner who runs with a zerg that doesn't understand the mechanics of the game (i.e. Spellcrafted armor coupled with resist buffs).

Mistwraith embarrassed himself when he pointed the finger at TWZ. The blame needs to be put on mythic for giving us worthless houses to go with worthless class balance.

 

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mw > wz

/ibtl

 

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"well you get my point
so stop whining about DT"

people duel to have fun

nobody wants to duel the guy who will slam you, pull out his lw, and annihilate you 3 times every single time you duel so you have no chance to win, which is no fun at all..

it's the same with dt, nobody likes to fumble 5 times in a row during a duel, you might as well just not duel because when its used, the outcome is decided before the fight even starts.

sure its a class ability, but ra's arent..

im sure he's going to get all the passives he can (and i am too), but if i got ip, i'm sure he wouldnt want me to use it in a duel for the same reason, because its just plain cheap and takes the fun out of it.

 

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Duel several times so sometimes DT is up and other times it's not, only way it'd be fair imo.


Like real rvr, no?

 

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it's not real rvr, its a duel

you dont duel in real rvr, what is so hard to understand about that? =\

 

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Duel how ever you agree to with Haroof, your fight not mine.

I'm just pointing out that the abilities, while they do come back quickly, they are nto always up.


So imo, it would be good to duel w/ your abilities (DT, TW) and w/o.

<shrug>

 

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Anyone recall the days when 1 hib pbaoe group could wipe out everyone in emain, regaurdless of realm? I know I do. Anyone recall the usual group that Nimm ran with. Slaughtered everything in sight. I recall the day in df, when I turned the corner to go below the albion shredders, and the ramp was litterally littered with dead albions. So much so that you couldn't even see the floor. How many people did Nimm's group lose from all those albions? 1. Point is hibs have had their shinning moments. Now mids are having their shinning moments. Albions have always been, maybe we'll get out of this alive, maybe we won't.

I recall the early days in emain. The second we saw any death spam from known pbaoers, albions literally would not travel without 3-4 groups around them. They flat out refused to leave the amg area. Nimm's groups used to litterally plow their way thru mobs and albions, all the way from hib merchants to alb merchants leaving nothing but death and destruction behind them.


Sorry you can't 1-2 shot everyone in melee range anymore Mist, but we need a fighting chance too. Though I don't see resists as bad as everyone says they are.

Ran with a sorc and his mist bot, patrolling HW. We destroyed everything we came across, even if we were outnumbered. Now if resists were really all that great, would we really have been able to pull that off? Another instance of proof everyone is just making excuses. My earth wizard, yes EARTH the weakest spec for a wizard damage wise. I got a ZERKER down to a sliver, and would have killed him if I hadn't newbed out or if I had had more rvr experiance with my wizard. Also, I have 2 shotted more mids and hibs in HW, than I can count. Again, if resists were everything people say they are, would I have been able to do that at all? Mind all these instances are of real yellow cons to my characters.

People are becoming better at playing their characters, and are starting to give older characters a challange. While yes, some people need to vary their groups some and stop running with an almost I win group all the time, there's still ways to get around them. Just takes time and patients to find those ways. Major one for tanks.. Kill their healers/buffers(assuming buffer is with the group and not tucked away in pk). I've noticed once those go down, tanks tend to become cake to beat for my groups. Or try mezzing/ns/stunning/rooting/ anything to the healers, it all interupts them, and stops them from healing(insta heals being the exception when rooted or nsed).

Well I'm rambling and I've talked well past the time I should be in bed. Have to go and get paperwork done for a new job latter on today.

 

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HI. ALL REALMS HAVE ACCESS TO PBAE. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE RETARDED AND DID NOT UTILIZE THIS RESOURCE DOES NOT INDICATE AN IMBALANCE.

 

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Yeah, what about V23? They did a nice job of pbae. They could wipe anyone in emain.

 

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Insta ae stun omg!

 

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Three words. one question. one answer.

Q:Who Cares?
A:NOBODY

 

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^^^
You should put that on the Riddles thread.

 

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We're currently running a group with 3pbae sm's, 2 pac healers, skald, sham and dark sm.

Doing pretty well.

 

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This is one of the best threads i've read in a long time. I especially like where it drifts off in to a merc vs. bm contest, all we need now are like dancing midgets and cheesecake, and we'll be set.

 

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I didn't read all this, but I see Hib more as easy mode then Mid.


Hib can run a melee group very well and they have those uber RAs to back them up. Mid has to run without and good RAs to back them up. You might say PR is good, but why would I spend 14pts for someone to die and rez without buffs when I can grab MoC?


I always enjoyed playing with Mist and never saw what we did as "ez" mode. Also Mist, please play from the Mid point of view before you talk like it is easy mode =)

 

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One thing that is nice is Aoe Stun for Mid, it's not terribly great, but it'd be a lie if I said it wasn't useful.

Against other gank groups or well set groups it probally wouldn't even phase them becasue of det/RAs/resists, but it can still give you the upper hand. It's real nice against clumsy pick up groups or warder zergs.

 

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"Though I don't see resists as bad as everyone says they are."

Tharfawdle, I seriously doubt that the people you describe fighting had resist buffs on. 26% resists are not so bad, it's the over 60% ones that hurt.

I do not, however, think that resists are the biggest problem facing casters now. Interupts are, i.e. the inability to cast. Mythic has added more and more aoe to this game. Just casting an aoe spell, whether it effects you or not, interupts. And it doesn't interupt for 1 casting attempt, but rather 2. So that's a 6 sec interupt every time someone looks cross eyed at you. Combine that with the fact that so many tanks are pratically immune to crowd control now, and it's a real problem.

 

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^^^^
Not to mention all the ways tanks have of interupting us.

 

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"Hib can run a melee group very well and they have those uber RAs to back them up. Mid has to run without and good RAs to back them up. You might say PR is good, but why would I spend 14pts for someone to die and rez without buffs when I can grab MoC? "

shrug, there are many skills that midgard has that the other realm would overjoice to have access to in the form of ras.

tank with self buffs - any bms that would complain if they had access to the savage haste/evade buffs as ra's?

sm - any chanters/cabby that wouldn't be willing to spend rsps on a pet that intercepts 40+% of melee blows?

bd - any casters at all that would complain if moc made all your dds insta cast permeneantly?

bards/sorcs - would you spend rsps for ae stun? i know i would.

 

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"tank with self buffs - any bms that would complain if they had access to the savage haste/evade buffs as ra's? "

Keep in mind that Savages sacrifice health to do that and w/o the buffs they suck, what are BMs now compared to if they had self evade/haste buff?

"sm - any chanters/cabby that wouldn't be willing to spend rsps on a pet that intercepts 40+% of melee blows? "

SM pet is purely defensive. All the procs they have don't go off very often. Also they have no ranged pet. But yes, the intercept is nice but very streaky and not terribly reliable.

"bd - any casters at all that would complain if moc made all your dds insta cast permeneantly? "

Well their damage isn't that great and they don't bring much to groups. Yes they can be very powerful and take casters/healers out of fights but if the opposition knows what they are doing they can easily take them out.

"bards/sorcs - would you spend rsps for ae stun? i know i would."

But what sacrifices would bards/sorcs make to get it? Remember that Healers are primary healer and cc'r, they can go split spec which it mediocur or go either way and not be very good at the other. 48 Pac healer isn't a terribly good healer, imo. Also healers have 0 offence.


With that in mind, I have to agree that these things do give us a special edge on things but imo not overpowered at all and all of them can be counterd without too much trouble.

 

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There is one thing in this thread that is total BS. It's this:

>.Before Determination/IP/Purge were set to lower costs (well into MW's RR9), PBAE KoS groups had 100% EZ mode.

Complain all you want about the current state of melee in the game, but PBAE had just as easy a time before RA's, SC, Resist Buffs and End Regen. <<


Those abilities were there. The RA's weren't cheap, but mistwraith wasn't rr9 when those changes were made. End regen had been in all the realms a LONG time before anybody started making use of them.

The truth of the matter is that nobody figured out how to use these abilities till someone showed them they had them and they were good...

...that group was LA.







As for the 'pbae gank groups' of mistwraith...

...I was a regular member of those groups. Now, I wasn't the mainstay that mist, isis and shae were, but I ran with them enough to know what went down, and what i brought to the group.

Most of the time, mist would debuff and nuke. Shae assisted him. This resulted in many people dieing in one nuke from each. Isis covered mist with pbae, and would often debuff cold for me. I would debuff energy on anybody that got near mist or isis, resulting in capped pbae every cast. God help the soul if they mist/isis critted.

I stood back and nearsighted casters and healers. I would stun and nuke anybody that got on my healers. Shae would cover some defense as well. Isis was the queen bee of defense, though, as that was her main thing -- and she did it/does it better than anybody I have ever played with.

Sometimes there were tanks there. Sometimes there were rangers in the group (grz, for example, ran with the gank group alot). Many times a tank would be mist's guard-bitch. Vladamire did this, often. I was a member of that group not only on eld but on bard, in the later stages. I didn't even have insta mez, as I was b/w lvl 43 and 47 during these stages, and I ended up with only 44 in music at 50. I didn't need insta mez. This was the days that albs literally did nothing but sit at amg in a clusterfhuk and let me us mez them.

Tower camping happened a bit, but most often as a result of 4-5 group zerg, or our group not having a bard. No speed, no cc -- can't do open field.

v23 did pbae quite well. I will say now that nobody has caused the mass destruction they have. LA would do things near their level and survive, but v23 is legendary in some of their suicide bombs.

LA showed everybody how to play a tank group in a caster-dominated era. Funny, garretjax makes a post about tanks being useless and then one month later LA shows up and the game is changed. The abilities were there long b4 LA showed up.

LA wasn't invincible...I beat them once with an all caster group, and I know mirage did many times. We did it in a defensive stack, and when they would back off the pbae stack, we would debuff/nuke to own them. This was the foundation of my RHE groups when I rebuilt, which we executed quite well, though we never had enough for a full guild group. We always had one or 2 other players from other guilds.

Sc comes out during this, giving everyone who can log onto the game and kill npc's free access to capping their stats. This brough a lot of balance to the game as far as casual game/power gamer. No longer would assassins be unable to compete with the stat-and-buff god Gannondorf. Now they had access to the same things he did, only they didn't have to work near as hard at getting them.

The thing was that when SC came out, the resists skyrocketed. It was basically a 25% damage reduction in RvR. Add resist buffs and ra's to that and you have it in the extreme.

Sometime during this process, it became thought that casters couldn't do well in RvR. This was wrong. Casters just had to work together. Debuffing and /assist nuking is as powerful now as it was in may of 2002. The problem is that in may of 2002, you could mez enemy tanks.

Now you can't.

So that brings us to modern day. The supreme gank group is Release. KoS and TK are both large guilds who's groups vary quite a bit. To say that release is >>>>>>>> than them is comparing apples to oranges. Sure, if KoS or TK runs the same 8 people playing the same 8 classes every day for 2 months against Release, you will see a lot of 50/50 battles. But neither do. I believe TK runs more consistent groups than we do, but I could be wrong in that.

AS for xearoii never beating release? I can remember one time very clearly where we completely owned release with him in the group. He was, in fact, the only hero. Actually, he was the only person with determination in the group. The rest of the group was gannondorf on nightshade, aeneasx on ranger, melkorai on eld, drayquan on eld, me on bard, solamnia on druid and solen on her warden. I remember this group especially b/c with the resist buffs I had 59-51-51-59-64-59 on my bard. In this battle, we didn't have even one death. We didn't get mezzed or stunned. I landed a great mez on the healers. Gannon took one out by himself, aen another. They converged on teh shaman and he dropped. This was before end regen and zerker nerf. The tanks came after me and i ran straight to melk and dray, who proceeded to drop the tanks in about 10 seconds. It was flawless execution of the stack that Mirage had developed against LA so many months before. And it was never planned.

I remember this battle in such detail b/c it is the only time I can ever remember a perfect execution of the best way to beat release -- and we did not have a standard group make-up. This was not a 10am, pick-up/release group, either. This was a pure release group. I can't name the entire group, but I know it was 3 zerks (nad, stormur and baba, i believe), skald was amazed. There was a savage, but i can't remember if it was gasping or sicminded. Hare was still v23 at this time, i think...or might have been tenrec htere...one v23 healer was there in v23 cloak...

...anyway. We beat the top gank group at the time with a sub-standard group, with no ra's up, because of skill and executing the proper 'tactics'. The main reason I remember this was drayquan saying afterward, "I guess skill is greater than class selection, sometimes. Who would think a ranger and a nightshade in group would do so well?"

We took out group after group with that set-up. Only time we lost was when I botched a mez, which tends to happen from time-to-time. I'm not the best mezzer, but I can land good ones when they count.

God, how many mroe subjects? Tanks...warriors are great. Armsmen are great. Heroes are great. There is no pure tank right now that isn't great. Any class with determination is wonderful in an RvR group if the player is smart. I've said it before and I'll say it again -- determination is the single most powerful ability in the game right now.


Hib tank groups? Yeah, hib tanks are pretty good. Problem is that you have to devote a spot in group to duplicate a bard in order to guarantee end off. Endurance song is the biggest load of bs I've encountered. Anything cast on you, even a pve tool used to pull enemies, and you are interrupted for that song, as well as the next 3-5 seconds. Hib tanks without end will not out perform mid tanks or alb tanks with end. If everyone had guaranteed access to end at the beginning, things are different. There is no reason to get a 2nd bard other than speed 6/guaranteed end song at beginning of fight. 2 bards hurt mezzing, as the bard's strength in mezzing is amnesia. 2 bards amnesiaing means broke mezzes half the time. One high regrowth? Why bother? Get a druid or a warden with better utilities. 2nd bard for a 2nd melodies? 2nd GP, thanks. Just retarded.

Hib tank groups are good if you have that 2nd bard (wasted group slot) or you ahve a bard that will get end off immediately 100% of the time while still being able to mez without instas.

Even with the game in it's current state, I prefer balanced groups. Pure tank group is great for 8v8. Busting a zerg, however...there is no better way than a couple of casters mocing ae dd spells (pbae or otherwise) to clear out masses of enemies at once. If druid moc's with them it's the trump card. It's the balancing factor. Exert from group chat one night:

[Party] Mistshot: Why didn't you pbae that?
[Party] Ashmir: I did, but I don't think Opel followed me.
[Party] Opel: There were too many.
[Party] Mistshot: The best time to do it is when there are too many.
[Party] Mistshot: You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

When against a huge zerg, it's hard for hib tanks to take out people in the matter of seconds that mid tanks can. Why? End song. Against a zerg it will probably be the latter half of the battle that end song is up. So, how do u wipe out the zerg? Throw some casters in there.

This was why the KoS morning group that TK likes to bash so much was so successful. We played against a consistent zerg. SAKURA + FotA + pick-up group every morning. 75% of those players rr5 or higher. I am not exaggerating. They used bait and flank tactics. They used constant spamming of ae CC to interrupt tactics. It was a tactical zerg of players who had high enough RR to have ra's. And we consistently tore them apart.

Why?

Mistwraith and Melkorai. Some mornings add Drayquan to that. The two of them would take out a large amount of the force early...or sometimes even mid battle. Skeltah had a lot to do with it as he would slam like nobody has ever slammed b4. Tahqa and Excelzior would be raping healers. I did my best to make sure they had end and everyone had mez cured, but gd spam ae root would pretty much mess up my CC other than amnesiaing.

That balanced group is so much greater than any tank group I could put together now or any caster group I could put together back then. Why? Because of the nature of the game. What is the nature of hte game? Change. Things will get nerfed. Other things will get boosted. An all caster gank group right now has a small chance of surviving much less dominating. Tank groups in the future may share similar problems. Balanced groups, aka no gimmicks, will recieve boosts and nerfs alike, but one will often be balanced out by the other.

So, it becomes an issue of this: Balanced (slow and steady wins the race) or Flavor of the Month (the rabbit that loses)? Nothing is wrong with either. Release gets ungodly gobs or RP's. Truth is that they are pretty good players and will do well no matter what they run. But they will continue to do the FotM stuff and stay with the times...


...while KoS will still be here doing what it's always done.

ding 200 million rp's, btw.

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Oh, btw, TK. I respect the hell out of you as a formidable opponent. However, if you want to talk smack about a gank group that happened over 2 months ago, keep it up. Here's the deal:

You could not nor cannot run over 2-3 full groups of rr5-7 hibs or albs. You are very, very good at 8v8, but I don't think you will ever successfully demolish zergs of high rr players like we did. That leads me to my second point:

If you want it, you gotta come to us. You have in no way proven yourselves enough for us to make a gank group just to beat you. You have not earned that right. Nobody has. Ever. We will not build a group and come play with you when you demand it. Who is the #1 guild in daoc? That's what I thought. If you want to prove something, bring it to us next time. We have nothing to prove.

I don't know when or if we'll even run a gank group like we did again...if we do, it's up to you to come stop us. Release + LA groups couldn't. I think you guys are better in 8v8 than release, personally, but not LA. I'd love to fight it. I had a blast the other day when we actually got some honest-to-God 8v8 with you. I was on a friend's hero (hidra, rr4 with epic armor still haha) but it was some great battles...all won by us. Unless you count that time by amg when the zerg hit us and u guys joined in on the fray? I don't think you will.

I'm not being cocky or arrogant or whatever. I'm being truthful. We have nothing to prove to you. If you want to keep talking, do so. But you are the only ones with anything to prove. To us or yourselves? That is the only question.

Ok, I think I successfully covered all topics within this thread. Took me 45 minutes to read it and another 35 minutes to type my response. GG /nerf VN.

 

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^ ^ 2,335 words. 5 and a half pages on microsoft word, single spaced like it appears here. GG.

 

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On the side note of everything said I have never been burnt out of ANY of the tanks iv played.... nor sorc I <3ed sorc... but the 1875 mez range is really not needed 1500 is quite adequet ( note iv moved servers and rolled a sorc )... after hitting rr6 on my eldy I was so burnt out I woudlnt even care if it were deleted... this server has become quite gay.... now my 2nd attempt at leaving lance... originally to roll 2 meelers 2 pbaers on midgard but pellinor was damn had to level :/..... I remember figthing the mist group way back when I was a newb grin and we did win 8v8 vs their " high rank group " even with them GPing.... and to make the note GP for hibs is based upon the fact that mids get free speed 6 and albs get 1875 range... GP is only a counter to having the worst CC, worst end class word speed class in the game.... and if GP isnt up in a caster group your 100% dead..... I also wanna point out certain cough alb grups only win 8v8 with SOS.... its the most powerful offensive RA making you basically in my mind invincible to C... most tanks have det 4,aom2, resist buffs... add group mez reduction shield and SOS to that a tank is invincible to CC with SOS up.... What malev said hib is great yet it is but it requires more than 1 bard being speed 6 is essential for a gank group now days.... and it requires GOOD bards.... on hib lance u spend 10 hours looking for a bard and when u get one they usually arnt very good... mists pbae groups were definately NOT NEARLY as overpowered as the mid meele groups ( any meele group ) now days.... I remember as I say beating mist group the full setup with shae,nimm,isis,mist etc..... 8v8 with a TCO group and I was just barely rr5 at the time.... still learning the game basically I knew my char but not the details of the game

 

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Anyways, if we would have came to hib, would Mistwraith have let us use his chanter to plvl?. . . . . didnt think so~

 

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You guys could have used my chanter. -_-

Ash - Wow. Thats the longest damn reply I've ever seen. Ever.

 

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Yes, Ash's post hurt my eyes tring to read it ;d

I'm glad we came to mid, been nothing but fun so far.

 

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LOL Ash to live,eat,sleep,dream daoc happy


MULLET


jk love you bro happy always did lov ehow you could find out the best way to kill a group.

see i'm like this:

Catho: "MA plz?"

XXX: "xxxtankw/detxxx is MA atm"

catho: k.

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catho: Mezzed.

catho: mezzed.

Catho: mezzed.

MAtank: CATH WTF SNARE THOSE TANKS ON THE HEALER

catho: mezzed

MAtank: CHRIST CATH I CAN"T DO THIS BY MYSELF

catho: mezz icon blinking!

MAtank: INTERUPT THE F*ING SHAMAN

<mez fades>

Catho: DOn't worry i'm leet w/o det

Catho hits warder for 900000000 damage!

AOE BLAST KILLS ALL THE REST!


Catho: Dang thought we were gonna lose!

MAtank: GD cath u suck.

xxxhealerxxx: ok we need a rep. catho almost got us killed.

catho: suck my dick!

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wtf did i just write? oh well GG



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Catho you can group w/ my enchanter.

I'll pop BAoD for ya wink

That mezz with resists will be over in a sec :P

Then you can tear it up!!!

Light enchanter + Mana enchanter = Albion OWNED.

BoF isn't jack then :P

Snare pet > melee.

 

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"Catho hits warder for 900000000 damage!

AOE BLAST KILLS ALL THE REST! "

nerf catho? mischief

 

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Oh, btw, TK. I respect the hell out of you as a formidable opponent. However, if you want to talk smack about a gank group that happened over 2 months ago, keep it up. Here's the deal:

You could not nor cannot run over 2-3 full groups of rr5-7 hibs or albs. You are very, very good at 8v8, but I don't think you will ever successfully demolish zergs of high rr players like we did. That leads me to my second point:

If you want it, you gotta come to us. You have in no way proven yourselves enough for us to make a gank group just to beat you. You have not earned that right. Nobody has. Ever. We will not build a group and come play with you when you demand it. Who is the #1 guild in daoc? That's what I thought. If you want to prove something, bring it to us next time. We have nothing to prove.


#1 re: killing zergs:

we do it a lot, we have screenshots to prove it. killing zergs isn't our thing, but we can do it.

#2 coming to the fight:

we were in odins for 2 nights. raped your asses good. the 2nd night we fought you 1 time, see my signature.

btw how long have you been in KOS :o

#1 guild in daoc? please. #1 guild at avoiding fights, I will agree with you there.

 

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the best screenie you have of zerg killing was of you taking on 3g of hibs.

kos has taken on 5g+

 

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Funny Frec.

You talk about others being arrogant.

Try reading what you post.

I'm going to show you exactly who runs away soon.

 

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xearoii I thougth you were all about having fun, that doesn't sound like fun omg

 

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Oh it's going to be a lot of fun making sure you eat dirt.

 

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you can only play 1 hr a night, YAY did I make xearoii go back to hib?

 

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FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

this should make KoS vs TK fights even more interesting wink

 

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-_- 1hr of you eating dirt and sitting on a portal in CS works for me.

 

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I love you xearoii :o

 

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Beiby.

Celtic Spear is attracted to chain :P

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I'm with Beib on this.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

We need a proper arena for hosting 8v8 fights =/

 

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i thought u loved me x :'(

 

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He's got a whole lotta love to pass around.

 

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CS <3's Chain though.

 

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FREC 1, KOS 0.

Also, you're never there primetime, just like all the other hibs, you march around at 5am EST(Morning CET). Picking up the solo albs and the pickup groups without cc healers or speed. =]

Thats what i call skill.

 

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lol x, pm me why u edited that wink

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Do you realize that KoS has a lot of players who can only play during that time period?

Kherd and Solmania don't live in the states. Excelzior doesn't either. A few others KoS members like Melk are in a different county atm. You also have guys who don't work a normal 8 am - 5 pm job.

Then you have the guys who don't work at all, but well they log on at that time because other good KoS/players are on in general.

Try understanding the logic behind why before you post babble like Frec.

Point remains, if you guys have such a huge problem with it. Then you form your group around that time and go hunt them.

Ashmir hit it on the ball. KoS has nothing to prove to anybody in DAOC. They have accomplished a lot since the start of the game.

It's other guilds that have something to come out and prove, cause your the only people that care.

 

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hi


Ashmir hit it on the ball. KoS has nothing to prove to anybody in DAOC. They have accomplished a lot since the start of the game.

It's other guilds that have something to come out and prove, cause your the only people that care.


the only thing that we wanted to prove to ourselves and to all albs is that albs don't have to zerg. they can build a gank group.

that is why I leveled willmez

I think we have done that, thanks to all the good players in the group.



 

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This thread was a lot more interesting when people stayed on topic and discussed the merits of civil disobedience and its impact on change throughout history. I mean, what are you gonna do when the bugs come for YOU?

 

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no group will ever compare to the original slut group, no one can even argue that. Only group that stood a chance was IM.

 

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"Ashmir hit it on the ball. KoS has nothing to prove to anybody in DAOC. They have accomplished a lot since the start of the game. "

I accomplished a lot back in high school as well, I just don't make a point of mentioning it much now as a bragging point when talking with other people nor do I moan and groan and cry about how high school was so much better than the present circumstances.

I will agree with X for a change: Merc > BM.

 

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"no group will ever compare to the original slut group"

Man, I remember those times, before ra's were out, and nobody had resists, when you could kill an enemy group 1 by 1 before the mezz wore off. I still remember the first day that we had ra's, and the first thing I got was purge. This was back when I was playing my scout. My group is mezzed at the thimble by a bard who is duo'ing with a hero. The hero starts in killing my group one by one. The bard is standing with his back to me as I hit purge. He turns around just as my crit shot is about to go off. I could just see the look on his face. happy Bam, he's dead. I wound the hero pretty well before he's on me, and manage to hold him off until the mezz wears off on my group. God, that was one of the most satisfying battles of my life, just to finally be able to fight back against mezz.

 

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I find it funny how noone ever mentions how our whole KoS group was out in emain during primetime even after we were told 108 albs in emain. TK, TF I dont care who was out there..but we were right smack in middle of it.

So give up this old excuse that all we do is pvp in the mornings..and the many different excuses that swim through your peanut sized brain..because its getting old.

I for one dont care who is out. I work and I work only mornings...in case some of you forget this is summertime and KoS does have some kids in the guild who play naturalists..Naturalists logs on ..instant group right there.

Example: I logged in at lunch time no group running..I logged in Sheridon (my husbands 50 druid) and instantly group was formed...after we found a bard we made a few runs, ate lunch headed back to work.

If this is the only reason you can come up with because we roll you then whatever makes you feel better.

Not to mention I half dont aggree with Mists post..Mist and I both ran our chanters last night..complete and utter ownage. Resists..yes I notice a HUGE Difference from when I quit a few months ago, but our group made it work and it worked well for us.

BTW it was 2 chanters, 1 light ment, 1 warden, 1 bard, 2 druids, and 1 hero.

 

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As far as Hero not being the best tank, yes the Savage looks overpowered statistically. Aside from the Savage (which I expect will be nerfed eventually), regardless of individual opinion of what is considered the best tank, data facts show the Hero is outperforming all other tanks by an overwhelming margin and exhibits a data signature that past classes with the nerf bat planted in their behind have exhibited.

Last Week Total RPs
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(rank, class, rps, num of chars)

#5 Hero 27,570,906 1,368
#11 Savage 21,814,663 650
#20 Armsman 14,781,540 1,395
#22 Champion 13,683,656 904
#24 Berserker 13,384,566 1,136
#25 Warrior 12,319,835 1,043
#28 Blademaster 11,278,637 512
#29 Mercenary 11,031,648 676
#33 Thane 6,757,006 925


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#1 Savage 33,561 650
#2 Blademaster 22,029 512
#3 Hero 20,154 1,368
#12 Mercenary 16,319 676
#16 Champion 15,137 904
#28 Warrior 11,812 1,043
#29 Berserker 11,782 1,136
#33 Armsman 10,596 1,395
#38 Thane 7,305 925

It's common for a class with low character numbers to have high RP averages. (Blademaster) It's common for a class with high character numbers to have low RP averages (Armsman). Abnormal situations are classes with low character numbers AND low RP averages (Thanes) or high char numbers AND high RP averages (Heros). The Warrior is bordering on the abnormal case of low chars and low RPs; hardly the signature of The Best Tank in the game.

 

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"This was back when I was playing my scout. My group is mezzed at the thimble by a bard who is duo'ing with a hero. The hero starts in killing my group one by one. The bard is standing with his back to me as I hit purge. He turns around just as my crit shot is about to go off. I could just see the look on his face. Bam, he's dead. I wound the hero pretty well before he's on me, and manage to hold him off until the mezz wears off on my group. God, that was one of the most satisfying battles of my life, just to finally be able to fight back against mezz. "

...and then a bunch of See Hidden assassins repeatedly killed my Scout so I quit and hopped to the next FotM ubah class, the Enchanter.

 

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Vladimir,

Savage is by far the best tank...

You're to busy looking at numbers that can be modified to make it show almost any result.

Savage is the best melee class period. Is that a problem? No. There has to be a best melee class and it's 100% fine it's a Midgard class.

Even though this whole caster/melee realm stuff nowadays means almost NOTHING.

All 3 realms are almost carbon copies of each other anyway.

 

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"You're to busy looking at numbers that can be modified to make it show almost any result."

Yes, and the numbers show that Savages will probably be nerfed eventually then they will end up like Zerks and Shadowblades. So once the obvious overpowered class is knocked to oblivion, the Hero is clearly the best tank, certainly far better than the supposed "superior warrior" you keep talking about.

But if you really think the numbers can be modified to show any result, then show me how to modify the numbers to show Warriors are better than Heros. "Facts" resulting from hand waving and "I said so" don't count.

 

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If I felt like spending the time.

Something could be done to show that.

The easiest way Vlad is to play a Hero/Arms/Warrior for yourself and make your own judgement.

To many people just bandwagon because 1 guy will play a class well and automatically think it's the best class.

Warrior > Hero.

 

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"The easiest way Vlad is to play a Hero/Arms/Warrior for yourself and make your own judgement.

To many people just bandwagon because 1 guy will play a class well and automatically think it's the best class.

Warrior > Hero. "

Yes, I'm sure everyone is simply bandwagoning to the Hero because of one person AND playing twice as well on a char per char basis as the Warrior. We all know how skilled bandwagon players are.

 

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OK having played Mist at thie prime of caster groups, and LA/Release there is a difference.

Mist groups could drop unsuspecting people faster with the PBAOE, but a solid group of skilled players with a good jump on emcould take out a couple of Mist's group. Also , not every hib group instantly could duplicate their success. And it was possible to run with all classes ...

Virus 23 was solid, and yes they took out some unsuspecting groups with pbaoe...but honestly, I prefered to go up vs v23 than Mist groups, a good group could do ok vs them.

Fast forward to additional aoe mez for healers, cheap purge, cheap determination, spellcrafted/alch armor that has basically benefited tanks and hurt casters...

LA/Release run where you can't do anything with crowd control and casters do 50-100 damage per cast.....oh yeah....I got a great chance to get in 20 casts on them at speed 6 to hope to drop one....

The sad part is there are a ton of knock off LA/Release groups....testimony to how easy it is to do the same thing....so call it skill, I guess, skill at deciding what toones to roll....

I suppose I will get flamed for saying how easy it is....etc etc....and dont get me wrong there are skilled players but I love the chest thumping thats goes on, gee...let me level up a tank to 50, farm for spellcrafted armor and buy determination every chance I get....now I sprint 100% of the time...oh mezzers do I worry about them? no not all....I can run right through mez....bolt casters do I worry about them? no, they will get interupted 99% of the time, and if they get a shot off, it will do 100 (-400), ..ok so now I have knifed through the enemy casters and healers ....guess I have a couple tanks to fight now...

 

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Casters need some <3.

I think everyone has to agree there.

It seems obvious...

 

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"and then a bunch of See Hidden assassins repeatedly killed my Scout so I quit"

Nope, I played my scout months after See Hidden was added. It really didn't have any impact on me, mainly because I grouped 99% of the time with my scout. This was back in the day when archers were very much desired in rvr groups. I'm still not sure why that has changed.

No, I stopped playing my scout when hibs started camping amg 24/7 on Bedevere. It got old real fast to only rvr between apk and amg. A bunch of my friends had moved to hib/lance, so I came here. Chanters weren't the fotm class back then either, and pbae was almost never used in rvr. That all came after.

 

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GROUP HUG EVERYONE!!! GROUP HUG!!!!!!


I was gonna go play mid.. I did for awhile, but then I dont have time to level like I used to.. so guess back to my orig. alb tards.... GO GO CALIBRON POWA!!!!

 

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this thread cracks me up :P

i think we can take the bugs

 

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Ever notice how MW's topics always end up being like 20 pages, and have no point whatsoever?

 

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I'm still seeing zerks doing pretty constant 700 dmg vlad which is about what I hit when I get a nice one in and they do it twice as fast as me. Not saying heroes are bad but the mid tanks are better face it. Who cares your the freaking melee realm and the tanks should be better. pretty amazing that you can't fathom that idea and all you do is argue with meaningless statistics.

 

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Yeah Mist's chanter was Light at lv50 tongue

 

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<48 Cleric Albion Mordred
50 Druid Hibernia Guinevere
50 Mentalist Hibernia MLF
50 Healer Midgard Igraine >

why do you even post here julyan?

 

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Respec 50 mana after watching Melk and Lochib?

I wasn't around during that time, at least I don't think.

 

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"Ever notice how MW's topics always end up being like 20 pages, and have no point whatsoever"

I think it's the opposite problem, too many points. happy Everything from the problem with melee vs. magic these days, to the cause of change in human history, to Heinlein books, to duels of mercs vs. bm's, to the effect of ra's on rvr, etc., etc., lol.

 

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I thought the cause of change in human history part was pretty good...

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Melorahn said something way back on page 4 or 5 that blah blah blah "catharsis of change". what he meant to say was 'catalyst' as a 'catharsis' is "A release of emotional tension, as after an overwhelming experience, that restores or refreshes the spirit." catalyst is simply something that speeds up a change and remains unchanged :P, small I know but cheapend the point. There is no reason to argue this, just dropping a pharm in :P

 

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omg, 12 pages, what's this one going to be about?

why i post here?

k. i will tell you.

i post here to annoy the hell out of everyone. i get off on it. i have no life, no friends, in fact my last RL human interaction was 7 years ago right before i signed up to have myself placed in this cube with only a PC, toliet, and tiny slot for the scientists to give me a couple food scraps each day.

that is why i post here.

afk, food scraps are here~!

 

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Hey MISTWRAITH... you almost have a 1,000 posts sir! 4th star inc love

 

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good call machin.. your sooo smart! wink

 

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"Respec 50 mana after watching Melk and Lochib"

I saw Lochib wipe out an entire group one day with pbae (they just stood there). I thought, man, that looks like fun. And sure enough, it is. grin

"4th star inc"

Cool, another major DAOC milestone. Although you haven't really mastered the game until you have 5 stars.

 

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Dont make me go all crazy ninja up on you Calibron... cus ninjas just like cut peoples heads off constantly!

This one time this lady dropped a spoon next to a ninja and he freaked out and killed the whole town!!!!!!
NOW THATS REALULTIMATEPOWER!!!!!!!

 

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I like how skeltah still gets hit for consistant 700's by zerks now, but before the 30% nerf, zerks were allegedly hitting for constant 600's.

 

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"I'm not being cocky or arrogant or whatever. I'm being truthful. We have nothing to prove to you. If you want to keep talking, do so. But you are the only ones with anything to prove. To us or yourselves? That is the only question."

In my opinion - and I am not the only one that thinks this - KoS has everything to prove. DAoC has changed. Evolved. Midgard and Albion no longer have everyone running around like idiots for KoS to farm - they have formed groups that use other tactics than "rush with numbers and hope we win". The truth is, not many people think that KoS is #1 anymore. #1 in Rps, sure, but in tactics and skill? Wake up, things have changed. Sure, KoS runs one of the better ganks on lancelot..but THE BEST? Maybe months ago, but not now. Unless you can prove it.

 

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"In my opinion - and I am not the only one that thinks this - KoS has everything to prove. DAoC has changed. Evolved. "

I agree. Hibernian classes overall were superior to Albion or Midgard for the first year of the game. KoS proved they could dominate with overpowered classes. /golfclap

Once the realms became more balanced class-wise, suddenly KoS disappears and resorts to sniping rhetoric and whines of class balance and fail to do anything substantial in the game.

What have you done since Hibernia isn't the obvious overpowered realm?

- Disappeared from sight for months after losing your power relics at the beginning of the year and claimed you were "checking out SI" even though both Albion and Midgard were able to field RvR players during the same time period. I guess we are to believe Hibernian players were the only ones checking out SI.

- Return to RvR by farming RPs with a corpse summoner hiding behind fort walls till Mythic took that away from you.

- Bragged about knocking down RK doors as an "accomplishment" since you couldn't corpse summoner farm from fort safety anymore.

- Only fight when a few other groups are running around RvR then disappear to carebear when primetime gets into full swing and complain about "zergs" the next day on VN.

Yes, KoS accomplished a lot back in the day but then so was every other Hibernian realm at the time. Hibernia dominated all servers in all stats during that time period. The real question now is are you going to resort to retelling high school football stories and whining about how the current RvR greats aren't really that great or are you going to compete and prove that you are indeed as good as you keep reminding people you are?

At least you have Atlantis to "check out" this fall after you get done "checking out Foundations".

 

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Wow Mach in pharm mode already.

 

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Lol Volcano caster only group ( with a minstrel ) ran into KoS by hmg in OG. BAoD makes baby jesus cry I was nuking Opel for 90 damage with 47 spec fire DD sad .

 

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I like how skeltah still gets hit for consistant 700's by zerks now, but before the 30% nerf, zerks were allegedly hitting for constant 600's.>>

I don't get hit for tha tmuch but with a medium crit from a zerk i've played a little bit I was hitting that with ease.

 

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lol legones @ your sig

i heard that quote of hers on howard stern

what a complete bimbo

still hot as hell though

 

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I agree. Hibernian classes overall were superior to Albion or Midgard for the first year of the game. KoS proved they could dominate with overpowered classes. /golfclap
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ROFL you are right for the first year of the game. THat's why mids absolutely destroyed every other realm on every single server for the first 5-6 months of the game.

 

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AHAHAHAHA haroof I <3 you long time now Howard Stern is the king. She is uber hawt your right, did you check out the kate hate website?

p.s. I <3 Skeltah long time too sucky sucky 10 dolla!

 

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hook me up with a link to that site

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I cant it has a whole bunch of guys bukakying her face go to www.koam.com its howard stern site has it on there.

Haroof to PL my reaver so I can actually stay on lance, if resists dont get fixed Pupz is going retired forever.

 

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ok

we'll chain pull cambions

like 3 at a time or something.

 

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I cant run 2 accounts im piss poor sad . My reaver is 40 with 40+9 shield though make for a uber block bot...

p.s. I hate when Stern goes on vacation for 2 weeks nothing to do in the morning sad

 

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Holy 12 page thread!


 

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I didn't know you played a zerk o.O

 

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"I'm still seeing zerks doing pretty constant 700 dmg "

700 consistent from a zerk after the nerf? lol whatever you say chief. snowsquall cap on a grey is in around 435 or so. meaning, on normal rvr targets it hits between 200 and 250. even with a 99% crit from vendo (which zerks do every single hit omg! NERF NERF!) you wont see a 500+ more then once in your lifetime. saying zerks do 700+ damage consistently after the 40% damage nerf the class just took is...laughable.

2h zerks can break 700 on crits, but so can any other 2h user in any realm.

anyway, post some rvr logs or kindly stop talking bs.

 

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omg omg omg a 13th page thread about the guild im in. farm on my online penis is growing , but my real life one is still quite petite and dormante !

- ghaletul 50 skald. dueling record of 109-374983094

 

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"Hibernia dominated all servers in all stats during that time period."

LOL, Vlad, do you feel the slightest bit embarassed about totally making up statements like that? As Skeltah has already stated, this game was hugely dominated by Midgard at first. Mythic took steps to balance out the realms, and ever since then, different servers have had different realms in control, at different times. At no time has Hibernia ever dominated every server, or even come close to that. In fact, Hibernia has never even dominated this server. Sure, some of us may have the high rp earnings, but the realm has never dominated.

"Only fight when a few other groups are running around RvR then disappear to carebear when primetime gets into full swing"

Where are you during primetime? Actually, where are you period? I play at all times of the day, in all realms, and I can't remember the last time I saw death spam from you. Almost any hour of the day you can find KoS rvr'ing, since we have people in a lot of different time zones.

"Disappeared from sight for months after losing your power relics"

Do you forget we took 3 strength relics from the albs during this time, when everyone claimed it couldn't be done? We also took a power relic from Midgard. BTW, have you even bothered to look at the Herald to see which guild is the #1 rp earner right now, almost double the next runner up? It must come from all those rps we are earning in si. tongue

 

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"Do you forget we took 3 strength relics from the albs during this time, when everyone claimed it couldn't be done?"

Who is EVERYONE? Hibs were the only ones saying they can't take a relic from Excal because there are "Too many Albions blah blah blah"

Door 3? Nightshades? Challenge? Remember? If a tree falls in Forest Sauvage and nobody is around, does it make a sound?

Nobody believes Relics are hard to take

 

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"BTW, have you even bothered to look at the Herald to see which guild is the #1 rp earner right now, almost double the next runner up? It must come from all those rps we are earning in si."


And you do realize that TCO has been inactive for months, right?

 

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Why do people who wern't playing at game release feel the need to comment on the balance of the game at that time, as if they'd know?

Hibernia was, for the longest time, the WEAKEST realm in the game. Mythic even made a statement about this on the herald somewhere - way back, talking about "improving the impression that hibernia is the 'red headed step child' of daoc".

Midgard and it's chain stunning healers, flanked by omnipotent thanes were ruling most servers, *including lancelot* near release.

Hell, when i began this game Hibernia was barely even finished. I remember merchants in Mag Mell selling "studded" armor, such was the nature of the hasty Copy + Paste release era hiberna.

Midgard and Albion both got itemized before we did, and leveling in both of those realms was infinately easier as well.


Trying to say Hib has been overpowered or even strong, or even DECENT since release just makes you look like an idiot.

 

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Only Hibernia would consider dropping assassins over a wall on door 3 a "Prime Time" raid. I'm sure the looters during an earthquake boast to their friends about taking stuff in broad daylight too. You people love challenges remember?

/salute Vlad

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Its a good tactic why are you still whining about it.

 

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Mistwraith thats incorrect......


When you were running amuck on lance, Hib owned the majority of the relics across all realms... I looked it up one time...was about 50-60% hib owned, since the chanter nerf, and spellcrafted armor that tide has turned to alb/mid owned relics....


 

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Frenzy was (and still is) overpowered...not Zerker base dmg.

 

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Nadagast to stop posting information that makes sense.

p.s. how did Sad to see what has become of Warder Zerg turn into zerker nerf discuss!

 

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I had Round Table Pizza for lunch, it was tastey.

 

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/does the page 13 shuffle


chinese food for lunch!

 

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Sorry TK, we have nothing to prove to you or anyone. We are not a gank group guild. We didn't level up 8 classes to run together every day by the same pool of people to wtfpwn everyone.

KoS is a large guild with many skilled players in it. We build balanced groups from this. Sometimes it's melee heavy. Sometimes it's caster heavy. Occasionally, it's healer heavy or even stealther heavy. We don't build groups at certain times to go play --

-- that's gank group. We've done that 2x in the time that I have been playing lancelot. The first was the original slut group, but even then it wasn't a set-group. I wasn't in taht group, or even KoS. I was in the 2nd one, however. It almost tore us apart. Our guild is not a gank guild. Running a gank group in this guild goes against it's very nature. The only thing similar is that we run 8, period.

We build groups when we have them. When key players log, we try to replace them. If you can't, there is no reason to run out to emain and RvR.

I will not RvR without a bard I have confidence in if I know there are good enemies out. Why? Because the bard is so important to the group. No other class in the game gives groups the utility that the bard does. It is the most important class for a group in DAoC. Speed, end, CC, heals, buffs, rezzes, supplemental CC, curing mezzes (only hib class that has it, unless u find a rare mentalist with 28 in mentalist [good luck - i can name one]).

Would TK run to emain without a Sorceror, Paladin, 2nd healer and minstrel?

We have some good bards. Unfortunately, we can't force them to play a video game when they have something in common with the rest of us...well, most of the rest of us...real lives. If they can't stay on -- they can't stay on.

We don't avoid anybody. We don't build groups for anybody. We don't pvp to farm mad rp's or to fight specific people. I say it again: TK, we have nothing to prove to you and thus will not make a gank group to come out and directly combat you. If you are out and we are too -- awesome. I love fighting you guys. If we are out and you aren't -- why can't you log on and fight us? Real life is the problem?

Yeah, happens to us, too. Hypocritical at all?

You can only play during primetime, it seems. Does that mean you can only farm hib and mid noobs for rp's? When KoS shows up, you fight them...but almost always the fight gets spoiled by one side or the other having allies intervene.

That almost never happened in the mornings when we ran the gank group that Frec is so disgruntled about. We, alone, would take out the SAKURA zerg as we called it. 2-3 groups of rr5-6-7 and yes, even an 8 or two in there. rr10 dragoo's stealth group in with it. Whatever.

TK, I'm afraid that with all the talk YOU have been doing, it is YOU that NEEDS to do one thing:

put up or shut up.

Come find us. Build your best gank group to tear us apart. Good luck figuring out exactly our strategy, as our groups change day-to-day. You can't build a group to directly defeat us, because our group's make-up could be completely different than the last time you saw it. If you hear in your /as that we are out, then come out and back up what you have been saying. Can't do it because you don't have a full guild group? No sorceror? No minstrel or cleric? OMG, you are avoiding us! Cowards!!

Sound like anybody you know?







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Hi Foxflight!

 

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I don't RvR too much, I don't even play much with family and work, but to me it seems like you guys are waaaay bored.

Just an observation, not a slam!

Running around the same zone in the same groups playing the same char using the same techniques even hitting the same dam keys for countless hours/days/weeks/months/and now years has got to get old.

So what if people play different chars?

So what if people play different realms?

So what if they RvR like they want to?

Give peeps a break, heh.

 

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"Where are you during primetime? Actually, where are you period? I play at all times of the day, in all realms, and I can't remember the last time I saw death spam from you. Almost any hour of the day you can find KoS rvr'ing, since we have people in a lot of different time zones. "

What's funny is I've been killing Hibs right outside Ligen for the last couple weeks. Kind of validates what I'm saying when I say KoS disappears when the action heats up. You don't see RvR kill spam from SI zones.

And yeah you are right the first 3 months of the game, Midgard dominated with perma-stun but does anyone really care what happened in the first 3 months when nobody knew diddly about the game? From January 2002 till November of 2002, Hibernia dominated most of the servers and dominated the RP rankings. You could easily see that by virtue of the fact that all Hib classes ranked in the upper 50% while Midgard and Albion classes were scattered out largely in the bottom 50% of classes.

 

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BTW...

>>Ashmir hit it on the ball. KoS has nothing to prove to anybody in DAOC. They have accomplished a lot since the start of the game. "

I accomplished a lot back in high school as well, I just don't make a point of mentioning it much now as a bragging point when talking with other people nor do I moan and groan and cry about how high school was so much better than the present circumstances.

I will agree with X for a change: Merc > BM.
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By that logic, what have you been up to lately, vlad?


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How many of those are you?

 

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Haroof you PL my reaver I PL any char you want on lance or mid/bedevere meet me on the playground in the jungle gym ill also trade 2 pokemon cards for a dinosaur stuffed animal and a bouncy ball!

 

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All my characters are Breath of Ymir.

Nice try though. happy

 

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Ashmir look im Pup under lancelot youll find like 20 different chars herald cant erase at the speed that i create

 

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>>What's funny is I've been killing Hibs right outside Ligen for the last couple weeks. Kind of validates what I'm saying when I say KoS disappears when the action heats up.<<


This Week's Victors (guilds with the most rp's earned last 7 days)

1) KoS
Hibernia
Membership: 85 Chars: 127
RP: 3,976,323

Those SI mobs and the CF finliaths give so many rp's.



There was about a month to 6 week period where KoS rvr sunk. Right after /level came out and right after houseing came out. I wouldn't say the action had 'heated up' at that time. I was among the loudest bitching on our private forums about rvr, but even so, we didn't roll over and die.

Still think we averaged 1-2 million rp's a week...I know at one point we had as low as 880k

Your guild ever get 880k a week, vlad? You guys been checking out spindle, SI, foundations and what else since the beginning of the game?

Let's see some of those statistics you like to bring up.

 

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>>All my characters are Breath of Ymir.

Nice try though. <<

Thanks, that gives me the information I needed to know. Don't know what you were thinking I was trying...

Breath of Ymir
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Website: No website entered
Guild House: No guild house
Membership: 10 active characters played by 8 members.
Guild Realm Points: 6,961,982
GRP gained last week: 86,672

Vladimir Impala
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50th level Dwarf Hunter
Elding Herra
Lancelot

Data updated continously - character last logged in on 2003-07-30 22:05:24. If this is not current for your character, please log that character in.
This character has been logged in within the last 24 hours.

Realm vs Realm information:
Realm points: 3,092,284
Realm points earned this week: 26,362
Total deaths in RvR combat (since 06/26/02): 619
Deaths in RvR combat this week: 4
"I Remain Standing" score: 6,590.50


Before you start saying your guild is small...My group of 8 got about 2.5 million rp's a week b/w us while the rest of the guild got 3+ million. Small guilds can get rp's, too ;p

Oh, they are inactive? Checking out SI? Whatever. See you at DL...if you unstealth, that is.

 

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RAWR!

 

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Tareh to get pwned by teh Edit?

love

 

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Yes I seem to be having issues with the whole smily face thing sad

 

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vladamir you are an IDIOT, you are a RETARD, you are a MORON.
God, just stop posting. It hurts to read.

" Disappeared from sight for months after losing your power relics at the beginning of the year and claimed you were "checking out SI" even though both Albion and Midgard were able to field RvR players during the same time period. I guess we are to believe Hibernian players were the only ones checking out SI. "
Bullshit KoS kept rvring during that time, besides, midgard wasnt even that ACTIVE in real rvr till v23 showed up.

"Return to RvR by farming RPs with a corpse summoner hiding behind fort walls till Mythic took that away from you. "
KoS never did that, sorry. Spew more crap pls.

"Only fight when a few other groups are running around RvR then disappear to carebear when primetime gets into full swing and complain about "zergs" the next day on VN. "
God forbid we have players that only play in the morning.
KoS has been active at night, log in every night and you will see 1-2 (seperate) kos groups roaming emain, or mixed in with other groups.

"700 consistent from a zerk after the nerf? "
The positionals still own, ask members of kos, i have a habit of getting raped by zerkers POST nerf.
I'm not saying they are overpowered, not at all, but they are far from gimp.

"And you do realize that TCO has been inactive for months, right? "
Read the post pony, kos is #1 past seven days.

 

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I think Phel and Ash won Vlad...

 

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Tareh to log on more so we can pl you mischief

 

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Ok I'm logged on!

PL me NOW!

 

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Phel, wish to quit farming these lame posters and go farm lame players, instead?

logging in...

 

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<<KoS never did that, sorry. Spew more crap pls>

Well can't argue with that logic!

 

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"Ok I'm logged on!

PL me NOW! "

Im at University now "researching" ........

log on later tongue

 

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Ahh, you want to play the stat game?

Vladimir: "I Remain Standing" score: 6,590.50

Highest Ranking KoS: "I Remain Standing" score: 5,144.33

Ashmir: "I Remain Standing" score: 2,596.58

And this is a bad week for me.

 

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sad why all the freaking h8.

Hes a caster your a stealther :/

 

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Pupz smells~ h8 h8

hi pupz! how is your reaver & infil going? made 50 yet?

 

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<3 for all!

/hugs

/kisses

 

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Deleted would like to welcome a couple of more albs to our ranks.

Welcomes to Shensil and Cocan.

Less albs and more h8 incoming our way!

Phel needs a friggin hat and wants to join us and replace gimpster!

 

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Infil is lame gonna delete him reaver is crap auto training hes stuck at 40 thinking about selling account and starting on hib/lance atm not sure though.

 

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deleting was really a good thing to do. had alot of fun so far, also being on the otherside of the zerg, is good hehe.

Its really a big shock to see it with all thoes red warder names at g1 (amg to thoes not alb! tongue ) and the pk campers etc. was worth it just to see that grin

 

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Anytime I see something screech across a room and latch onto someone's neck, and the guy screams and tries to get it off, I have to laugh, because what is that thing?

 

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Heh... Seeing ALL those Red Warder names.. I dunno..

I hate seeing the zerg personally love

 

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Cerwyn! Hurry and log on!

You gotta see my sexah new hat!

 

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I would probably delete my albs xferr 2-3pp over to mid/lance from mid/bedevere and start up my RC RM on Lance. 30-50 is a breeze when youve leveled a RC RM to 50 already happy ~

 

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Contrary to what most people say, the most dangerous animal in the world is not the lion or the tiger or even the elephant. It's a shark riding on an elephant's back, just trampling and eating everything they see.

 

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OMG DB I fell back in my chair I was laughing so hard when I read that.

 

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KW, Lagged again, WZ all good guilds that went to or back to easy mode. Sad thing. This game is goin in a bad direction.


<grunt><sniff><spit>

 

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Freak to give it up already?

 

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-_-

 

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omg wtf is this topic still going?

lol

 

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This is the post that doesn't end. Yes, it goes on and on, my friend. Some people started typing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue typing it forever just because...

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This is the post that doesn't end. Yes, it goes on and on, my friend. Some people started typing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue typing it forever just because...

 

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best vn_lance post in a while though

 

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somebody got rolled


oh wait wrong post

 

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No, your on the right thread Perfo, no matter what someone posts, it's on topic for this tread ^_^.


So, how many days does everyone have /played on their main?


Last time I checked, Rune had about 50 days.

 

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around 70 on my hunter, 10 on my SM, and 2 on my warrior.

 

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holy *Moderated* this post was only 10 pages long 2 hours ago, you guys are all crazy


make me a mod and i will lock this damn thing

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hi!!! my first post on this thread grin

 

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You guys missed the pharm thead they had on Merlin, was suppose to be a 10-20k thread but only got to 6k+ before the locked it b/c of lag issues. Also the tread was very buggy ^_^

 

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Bah this post has gone on so long I might as well add to the insanity of its page length, lol.

 

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blah blah, blah blah, blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

 

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Freak simple point have mythic fix leveling in hibernia and perhaps we woulda gone there.

It is a fact that you can not level past 40 in Hib without having a chanter and focus pull tied to your waiste. Had nothing to do with Ez mode at all had all to do with leveling pains and frankly Hib is the hardest to level because of the attitude of the people.

Gratz on the incoming lil terror. Save some damn nanners for it though.

 

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I sure did get killed a lot today at Liches, oohh look the Shawshank Redemption is on tv.

 

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gg... this thread is incredible.

No pharm machine and still going

 

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ya machin its not bad hahah

 

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Cerwyn has a small weaner.

 

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What do you think Lancelot RvR will be like by next summer?

 

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I think lance rvr will be nothing but pirates vs. ninjas. And cheesecake.

 

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Pirates being SBs because they both gimps and Ninjas being infs?

 

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I know you did not just insult pirates, pirates are so much better than ninjas.

 

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no way, ninjas > pirates sir.

 

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When was the last time you saw a ninja with a 2h axe?

ninjas>pi-rate cats

 

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You're incorrect sir, the pirate would kill the ninja, take his wife as a personal wench, and loot his home all the while drinking pints and pints of alcohol and burning down random buildings.

 

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But then a giant bat came down and nocked thei *Moderated* out of him and now ninja>>>pi-rate cates

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The crazy attack parrot would pwn the ninja before he knew what was up.

 

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to bad the parrot would resist charm and eat the pirates ears off.

 

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parrots are insta cast, not charmed.

 

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and if the timer is down?

 

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then the pirate shoots you with his gun

 

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not enough spec points to do good damage ^_^

 

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sorry family guy is on i'll continue this debate later.

 

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I concur, debate on hold.

 

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dirt sucks for all this clear farming~
nerf hunters!

 

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Let me settle this for you both.

Ninjas pwn pirates on land.

Pirates pwn ninjas on sea.

So its clearly a draw.

To break the draw one must determine who has more fun.

Ninjas have smoke bombs incredibly fun for a while but get old fast.

Pirates have many wenches and masses of booty of another source.

So in the end Pirates are greater than Ninjas by the amount of booty they own.

 

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What about beaches, or how about space?! o_0*!

 

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die threat die die die

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die tthead
*Moderated* you khwo whnat i meanm

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good point on beaches where water and sand are~ who would win there?

 

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