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The occupation government of Tsolagoglou (reference to the Occupation govt of the ex-Defence Minister Tsolagoglou who became Quisling Prime Minister of the 3rd Reich) has erased essentially any possibility of my survival which was based on a decent pension which for 35 years(without the intervention of the state)I alone had paid.
I am at an age which doesn’t give me the individual capacity for a dynamic intervention (without of course precluding that if one Greek took up arms-Kalashnikovs, the second person would be me) I cant find another solution from a decent end before I end up looking in the rubbish bins for food.
I believe that the young without a future, one day will take up arms and in Sindagma Sq will hang upside down the national traitors like the Italians did with Mussolini (Piazza Poreto Milan)
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illmyrin posted:
I believe that the young without a future, one day will take up arms and in Sindagma Sq will hang upside down the national traitors like the Italians did with Mussolini (Piazza Poreto Milan)
Meaning... every government minister who voted 'yay' to the budgets that passed over the last 20 years? And then every voter who put those incumbents back into office.
That'll require a LOT of rope. I don't think Greece can afford it.
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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
illmyrin posted:
I believe that the young without a future, one day will take up arms and in Sindagma Sq will hang upside down the national traitors like the Italians did with Mussolini (Piazza Poreto Milan)
Meaning... every government minister who voted 'yay' to the budgets that passed over the last 20 years? And then every voter who put those incumbents back into office.
That'll require a LOT of rope. I don't think Greece can afford it.
You're blaming their government for what the IMF did to that country?
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Greece did it to themselves.
The IMF just forced them back to reality.
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Greece did it to themselves.
The IMF just forced them back to reality.
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Romania tried, and was actually doing it, most of their international banksters debt, and we know
what happened to Ceaucescu. Same with Gadaffi.
"Democratic" regimes are usually easier prey, whoever you elect, its always the same outcome
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illmyrin posted:
You're blaming their government for what the IMF did to that country?
The IMF made them spend too much and make promises they couldn't keep?? 
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Koneg posted:
illmyrin posted:
You're blaming their government for what the IMF did to that country?
The IMF made them spend too much and make promises they couldn't keep??
You'd be surprised how little you have to spend to bribe some officials in some countries...you can
make billions by spending mere millions or less
Read books by that John Perkins guy
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Koneg posted:
illmyrin posted:
You're blaming their government for what the IMF did to that country?
The IMF made them spend too much and make promises they couldn't keep??
Go start another thread about this, take with you anyone with only the same 5% of the total picture you're working with.
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The fact that for 30 years the government overspent to placate the masses is lost on me. It's a conspiracy gawd damn it! 
Right dude. Whatever.
The rest of us not living in your little fantasy world will point to their decades of fiscal mismanagement and public sector bloat until you figure it the hell out.
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The sad thing is that the youth of the world are revolting (well, both kinds of revolting, but here I intend to point out insurrection versus repugnance) over the lack of money/jobs.
The good thing is that 25% of the world will be about 65+ in 15 years and when we (I am one) get whacked there'll be a whole lot of vacancies BUT sadly again, no one skilled enough to fill them.
Soylent Green time, indeed!
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Koneg posted:
The rest of us not living in your little fantasy world will point to their decades of fiscal mismanagement and public sector bloat until you figure it the hell out.
Decades meaning one 10 year period? Idiot.
POST IMF involvement. The spikes start when IMF masters start moving Goldman Sacks of Sht into government positions in Greece. It's a liquidation that idiots like you blame on
"decades of blah blah I'm so smat I can type with a carrot up my ass."
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Your graph proves his point.
Greece started out with extremely high debt and, because of that, were unable to handle the crash as well as their neighbors.
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Decades meaning one 10 year period? Idiot.
No, decades meaning.... decades.
Remember, unlike you I actually like and understand science and math, so I tend to use the correct terminology when utilizing it.
Try the very next picture from your source, the one that starts in the 1970s when Democracy was restored.
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Sansfear posted:
Your graph proves his point.
Greece started out with extremely high debt and, because of that, were unable to handle the crash as well as their neighbors.
On the subject of the IMF
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Date Posted: 3/18/09 IMF Considering Printing "Super Currency"
illmyrin posted:I wonder how many people that posted on this thread actually know the track record of the IMF. How they systematically dismantled 3rd world growing economies. How they leveraged nation after nation into debts that gained interest that now exceeded the GDP of those nations. How currency after currency fell to the same victim until the Euro was needed.
They'reamethodtothemadnessisthereamethodtothemadness
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To put this more simply, the IMF will lend money to any country with resources. In all cases the country does not have the resourses to pay back the loan. So, the IMF says, "Hey, we know a corporation that would love to harvest those resources. Let them do it and we'll cut you alot of slack on the loan."
So, the multi-national corporation moves in, rapes the country of its resources leaving its people more poor and destitute than it was before the loan was made by the IMF.
There are numerous examples of this happening.
If you're being an idiot and have an accident which lands you in an E.R. and the doctor who is supposed to help you is removing your organs while keeping you on life support do you want people in internet chat rooms saying it's your fault that the doctor is harvesting your liver because you were being an idiot when you got hurt?
ONE SENTENCE BIATCH!
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I feel sorry for this guy and the many like him. If their government had been responsible, if their press had reported the facts, if there was just someone willing to stand up and say it was all a lie, well, things might be better.
Sadly we are on the same path but our government is irresponsible, our press not reporting the facts and those willing to stand up and say it is all a lie are attack as "loving the rich and hating the poor". I wonder if those who say I'm just a conservative nut bag will remember what I have said as they dig in the garbage for food.
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Koneg posted:
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Decades meaning one 10 year period? Idiot.
No, decades meaning.... decades.
Remember, unlike you I actually like and understand science and math, so I tend to use the correct terminology when utilizing it.
Try the very next picture from your source, the one that starts in the 1970s when Democracy was restored.
Yea man that's a great graph! Can I borrow your science and math for a second? Thanks!
I mean really. I see your choice in graphs and wonder if you know how to use these shiny math and sciences I'm borrowing from you. Perhaps you don't know what to measure. I can't find your microscope also. Do you have one? We're going to need it in order for me to show you the elusive world if global economic collapse by design.
Hey, at the end of your graph there. That brown line representing the Greek GoV. What made it go down? Who was involved? Why are the other lines still going up? What does that mean for the guy who blew his brains out and left this note?
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
I feel sorry for this guy and the many like him. If their government had been responsible, if their press had reported the facts, if there was just someone willing to stand up and say it was all a lie, well, things might be better.
Sadly we are on the same path but our government is irresponsible, our press not reporting the facts and those willing to stand up and say it is all a lie are attack as "loving the rich and hating the poor". I wonder if those who say I'm just a conservative nut bag will remember what I have said as they dig in the garbage for food.
Christ on a Cracker I agree with something Fist posted.
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Koneg posted:
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You're blaming their government for what the IMF did to that country?
The IMF made them spend too much and make promises they couldn't keep??
In their defense those who suffer the most now are not those who are the most responsible for it.
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illmyrin posted:
Decades meaning one 10 year period? Idiot.
Uhm... yes. Decades, idiot.
When someone is standing safely on a solid sidewalk and a meteor hits him, it's a fluke. People feel sorry for whomever got hit and comfort his family.
When someone dances out into the middle of the road naked and a car (predictably) hits them people point, laugh, and nominate them for the Darwin.
Greece is the latter.
The US is closing in. Fast.
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illmyrin posted:
My own source says what?
You Bastard!
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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
illmyrin posted:
Decades meaning one 10 year period? Idiot.
Uhm... yes. Decades, idiot.
When someone is standing safely on a solid sidewalk and a meteor hits him, it's a fluke. People feel sorry for whomever got hit and comfort his family.
When someone dances out into the middle of the road naked and a car (predictably) hits them people point, laugh, and nominate them for the Darwin.
Greece is the latter.
The US is closing in. Fast. As soon as they give up the dollar and allow China to make all Federal Reserve decisions they will be right there. Any day now.
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Sansfear posted:
Greece did it to themselves.
The IMF just forced them back to reality.
Wait - was that supposed to be a serious comment?
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bstulic posted:
Koneg posted:
illmyrin posted:
You're blaming their government for what the IMF did to that country?
The IMF made them spend too much and make promises they couldn't keep??
You'd be surprised how little you have to spend to bribe some officials in some countries...you can
make billions by spending mere millions or less
Read books by that John Perkins guy
That's how it is here, too. Bid rigging is common practice in the US with the assistance of government officials who give no shits about how much money they sign on contracts
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wow - nice thread - we got some real effing idiots on this board.
Oh, hey Koneg...
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When the IMF drops the dollar as the world reserve currency let's see how full of Teh Awsum you kooks find them.
You won't have internet very long after that happens so let us know quick.
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Friarspam posted:
When the IMF drops the dollar as the world reserve currency let's see how full of Teh Awsum you kooks find them.
You won't have internet very long after that happens so let us know quick.
Koneg says it's impossible to shut off the internet. I feel safe based on the fact he hacks outposters for fun and has had a subscription to Wires Wires Wires since 1980.
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