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My 2000 Acura 3.2TL is finally kicking the bucket. After 12 years, and 190k miles...it now costs more to repair than it is worth.
Looking to buy a 4 door luxury sedan(used because I'm not made of money), and am looking for thoughts and ideas.
Hoping to find one that gets some reasonable mileage, as...well currently, I have 90 miles of commuting every day.
Caveat before Mangler pipes with Buy German, I have not, will not, and will never consider purchasing anything from Germany.
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Lexus ES350.
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this prolly won't be a popular opinion simply because its kia...but you could get yourself a brand new kia soul for the price of most used cars and have a 5/10 warranty on it as well as get around 30mpg on gas. i just don't see the point in getting something pricey if your main use for it is work commute.
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this prolly won't be a popular opinion simply because its kia...but you could get yourself a brand new kia soul for the price of most used cars and have a 5/10 warranty on it as well as get around 30mpg on gas. i just don't see the point in getting something pricey if your main use for it is work commute.
Same for a Hyundai.
Many noses will be up-turned at the words Kia or Hyundai though. 
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Caveat before Mangler pipes with Buy German, I have not, will not, and will never consider purchasing anything from Germany.
We get it, you're jewish.
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An ambulance, so you can blow through the red lights with the ambulance you're chasing.
he has a point... cops wouldn't even think twice about it. 
otherwise I've been enjoying my toyota
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about not buying german, be forewarned that VW owns a TON of stock in many automakers
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I have not, will not, and will never consider purchasing anything from Germany.
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I have not, will not, and will never consider purchasing anything from Germany.
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this prolly won't be a popular opinion simply because its kia...but you could get yourself a brand new kia soul for the price of most used cars and have a 5/10 warranty on it as well as get around 30mpg on gas. i just don't see the point in getting something pricey if your main use for it is work commute.
Same for a Hyundai.
Many noses will be up-turned at the words Kia or Hyundai though.
yeah. kia spent years earning their poor rep so its going to take a while for them to turn it around now that they've started producing quality vehicles. their last couple years of vehicles have been exceptionally good though. i think the kia dealer in my area sells more cars than all the other dealers put together. its insane how well they're doing right now. you walk into any of the other dealers and its dead...you can hear the crickets chirping. you walk into the kia dealership and its a madhouse of activity. even if hes set on a sedan he can go for the optima, very nice vehicle but its 10k more. the only problem with kia is buying used is pretty much out since their jump in vehicle quality is only a couple years old now.
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I'm willing to check out the Kia's, I hadn't ruled them out yet.
As for the German stuff, I'm totally uncomfortable supporting that country - and someone has already clearly pegged why.
I'll look at the Lexus too.
Thanks for the legitimate ideas so far.
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As for the German stuff, I'm totally uncomfortable supporting that country - and someone has already clearly pegged why.
lol
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As for the German stuff, I'm totally uncomfortable supporting that country - and someone has already clearly pegged why.
Pfft! Get over it.
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Said luxury car, Kia and/or Hyundai are never luxury cars.
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the new optima may surprise you.
anyway part of my point was to maybe turn him away from paying more for something than he might need to for what hes using it for.
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BMW. Screw not buying German when cars are concerned.
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Infiniti G37
The new Lincoln MKZ that they showed off looks AMAZING though. New Altima looks cool too
Hyundai Genesis I consider a luxury car worth checking out too. 4.2L engine in the sedan, has really nice performance and a great pricetag
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You'd consider buying Japanese after the Rape of Nanking?
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You'd consider buying Japanese after the Rape of Nanking?
No Jews in Nanking, so?
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There is no point buying a really nice car (BMW, Lexis etc) for a commuter when you are going to drive it into the ground.
Get a used camry or accord, etc.. but be forewarned, Honda likes to rape it's customers at service time.
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There is no point buying a really nice car (BMW, Lexis etc) for a commuter when you are going to drive it into the ground.
Get a used camry or accord, etc.. but be forewarned, Honda likes to rape it's customers at service time.
The commute should be shorter in the next couple months(hopefully).
Also, I'd rather be comfortable.
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There is no point buying a really nice car (BMW, Lexis etc) for a commuter when you are going to drive it into the ground.
Get a used camry or accord, etc.. but be forewarned, Honda likes to rape it's customers at service time.
On the contrary. Driving 90 miles every day is much less aggravating in a nice car. The difference is astounding. I drive an e61 and it is quiet, comfortable, effortless and safe. And when necessary, fast and amazingly enough, fun to drive too.
There's no point in buying a nice car to park in you garage.
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Buick Lucerne with all the bells and whistles. We just got rid of ours after putting 100k on it in 4 years. It was comfortable, quiet and we never had a bit of problem with it. We commute 100 miles a day for work.
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15 years ago all you saw on the road was Honda's. These days all you see is Hyundai's.
Hey, consumers can't say no to cheap well-made sedans.
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Lexus ES350.
No.
Not just no, but hell no. HELL no.
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You seem to be a Honda Odyessy type of person.
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about not buying german, be forewarned that VW owns a TON of stock in many automakers
GM is still the world's biggest automaker.
Toyota is #2 (in more ways than one...)
Volkswagon is #3 poised to overtake Toyota and may vie for the #1 slot soon.
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Buick Lucerne with all the bells and whistles. We just got rid of ours after putting 100k on it in 4 years. It was comfortable, quiet and we never had a bit of problem with it. We commute 100 miles a day for work.
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Excellent suggestion. Cadillac DTS or even an STS would be awesome as well.
Nothing beats big car comfort.
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Buick Lucerne with all the bells and whistles. We just got rid of ours after putting 100k on it in 4 years. It was comfortable, quiet and we never had a bit of problem with it. We commute 100 miles a day for work.
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Excellent suggestion. Cadillac DTS or even an STS would be awesome as well.
Nothing beats big car comfort.
Lucerne is actually built at the Cadillac factory. My mother in law has a DTS and it was identical to ours except that she had the massaging front seats and heated rear seats and we didn't.
Edit: Oh, and we paid 20k less than her 
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i'll probably just end up getting a fully specced Durango R/T
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As for the German stuff, I'm totally uncomfortable supporting that country - and someone has already clearly pegged why.
Pfft! Get over it.
Indeed. The people from WWII are gone.
You can chose to believe me or not (I don't care either way, it's still the truth), German autos are the standard the world over. Rival companies try to emulate them because they are quite simply, the best.
In other words: You can get an imitation, or you can get the real thing.
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so how much do car salesmen cut off a price if you pay for it in full right away? In other words, if you buy a new car and pay for it all right then and there?
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German is nice but wouldn't you rather buy Russian?
There's much to be said for german engineering, but there's also much to be said for russian industry which btw defeated superior german engineering in WWII through mass production. mmm-hmm
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Buick Lucerne with all the bells and whistles. We just got rid of ours after putting 100k on it in 4 years. It was comfortable, quiet and we never had a bit of problem with it. We commute 100 miles a day for work.
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Excellent suggestion. Cadillac DTS or even an STS would be awesome as well.
Nothing beats big car comfort.
Lucerne is actually built at the Cadillac factory. My mother in law has a DTS and it was identical to ours except that she had the massaging front seats and heated rear seats and we didn't.
Edit: Oh, and we paid 20k less than her
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Indeed. Lucerne is DTS-lite.
And the REALLY nice thing is you can get the Lucerne with GM's 3.8 litre V-6. Quite honestly, one of the best engines ever built.
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Hyundai Equus:
Or a Genesis. Anyone who, after driving one, can look you square in the eye and not admit that either are a luxury sedan is seriously deranged. Or lying to themselves.
I would recommend them for purchase.
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German is nice but wouldn't you rather buy Russian?
There's much to be said for german engineering, but there's also much to be said for russian industry which btw defeated superior german engineering in WWII through mass production. mmm-hmm
I bet they make like six million of those cars every hour.
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Check out the newer model buicks.
basically a poor mans caddy.
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Lexus ES350.
No.
Not just no, but hell no. HELL no.
You can't even afford one.
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Yes. Go to any Russian speaking country and you'll see a million of these Lada cars.
Which would you rather have, one King Tiger tank or 10 T-34's? Ehhh? Yeah exactly. The Germans found out which was better.
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so how much do car salesmen cut off a price if you pay for it in full right away? In other words, if you buy a new car and pay for it all right then and there?
In reality, no matter how you pay for the vehicle, you are paying for it in full upon delivery.
If you have the money in the bank and write the dealership a check for the full amount out of your own checking account (or cash), the car is paid for.
If you have to borrow money from an institution (and make monthly payments to said institution), the dealership gets a check for the full amount of the vehicle.
Either way, the vehicle is paid for.
The only difference is whether the title has a lien on it or not. And that wouldn't matter to the dealership, all it is to them is another bit of paperwork due at signing.
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Yes. Go to any Russian speaking country and you'll see a million of these Lada cars.
Which would you rather have, one King Tiger tank or 10 T-34's? Ehhh? Yeah exactly. The Germans found out which was better.
T-34's where good tanks, they revolutionized tank design with sloping armor.
a better comparison would be the M4 Sherman vs Tigers.
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Lexus ES350.
No.
Not just no, but hell no. HELL no.
You can't even afford one.
I could write a check for one. But I would never, EVER buy anything from toyota.
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On the contrary. Driving 90 miles every day is much less aggravating in a nice car. The difference is astounding. I drive an e61 and it is quiet, comfortable, effortless and safe. And when necessary, fast and amazingly enough, fun to drive too.
There's no point in buying a nice car to park in you garage.
yes high mileage is always good for resale
You will go through more tires, oil changes, wipers etc... all those things are more expensive in the beemers etc
also lol at your 90 miles day.. When you put over 40k a year, then you can talk to me about a commute.
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[quote=JD_HOGG]Lexus ES350.
No.
Not just no, but hell no. HELL no.
You can't even afford one.
I could write a check for one. But I would never, EVER buy anything from toyota.
Never.
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LOL ok, I forgot how rich everyone on ACF is. And you are a car expert! Yet all you suggest are German cars. I've had nothing but problems with BMW and Mercedes vehicles. They are maintenance and repair NIGHTMARES. Horrible reliability.
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^ Is the truth, I have driven Mercedes for the last 6-7 years and I can say that I probably won't ever buy one ever again. I've heard even worse about BMW's and maintenance
I would go with a Japanese car these days as well, Nissan would be my first choice. Their engines are better than BMW's
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Wow at all the negative Mercedes comments.
I almost bought one of their suv's back in 03 or 04, glad I didnt.
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Their engines are better than BMW's
Wrong.
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Their engines are better than BMW's
Wrong.
No you are wrong. See how easy that is?
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Their engines are better than BMW's
Wrong.
Based on what?
Compare yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VQ37VHR#VQ37VHR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N54
Nissan has the better engine.
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how many old bmws and mercedes do you still see on the road compared to toyotas and hondas?
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how many old bmws and mercedes do you still see on the road compared to toyotas and hondas?
Barely any. German cars are complete junk after 5 years.
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[quote=Mangler_SC][quote=JD_HOGG]Lexus ES350.
No.
Not just no, but hell no. HELL no.
You can't even afford one.
I could write a check for one. But I would never, EVER buy anything from toyota.
Never.[/quote]LOL ok, I forgot how rich everyone on ACF is. And you are a car expert! Yet all you suggest are German cars. I've had nothing but problems with BMW and Mercedes vehicles. They are maintenance and repair NIGHTMARES. Horrible reliability. [/quote]Point by point:
I don't consider myself "rich." Not by a long shot. But I do have some money, enough to buy a car if I wanted to.
Expert would not be the term I would use; however, I am a car salesman and have been for a long time. I happen to be very good at my job. Doing one thing for a long time allows you to be more skilled in that area than others. I doubt I could go to your workplace and know more about your job than you do. This is my chosen profession, I should know more about it than you do by the very nature of the beast.
I do suggest German vehicles first, yes. Because they are the best. The rest of the automotive industry uses them as a standard. Look at nearly any comparison test, it's "How well does this car/truck/SUV stack up against the German counterpart?" Ask any engineer in Japan, Korea, America, or anywhere else that is designing and building vehicles and ask them who they are trying to emulate and the answer will come back unanimously Germany.
As far as anything else goes, vehicles break. ALL vehicles. Doesn't matter who they are made by, moving parts wear out, no matter how well they are manufactured. Simple fact of life. Are the parts for German vehicles any more or less expensive than any other manufacturer? Not really. It doesn't matter if you don't believe me, it is the truth. If you think parts for a Ford, or Toyota, or GM, or Ferrari, or Honda, or Chrysler, or anyone else is cheaper, you are simply deluding yourself. Vehicles, even the "cheap" ones, are vastly more complex today than 10 or even 5 years ago. Parts get more expensive accordingly. You'll find out, you don't have to take my word for it.
Just because I suggest German vehicles first, doesn't mean that there aren't other vehicles I would/would not recommend. Not everyone likes the same things, that's why there are so many choices available in the marketplace.
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Well I drive a '95 E320 one currently it was an exception but the engine, while powerful and long lasting, is filled with faults (faulty bad wiring harness, weak seals, leaky front of head gasket to name a few...)
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how many old bmws and mercedes do you still see on the road compared to toyotas and hondas?
Perception VS reality.
hondas and toyotas are made in higher volumes than BMW/Mercedes/Audi. Based on simple percentages alone, you'll see more of them. That does not give any direct correlation to anything else.
There are more GM cars on the road than honda or toyota too, what do you make of that?
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As a side note: Any car company worth their salt is global.
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LOL you sell German cars. Biased much?
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LOL you sell German cars. Biased much?
When did I say I worked at a German vehicle dealership?
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The last two new car dealerships I am/were at are Chrysler/Dodge/JEEP/RAM and Chevrolet.
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There are more GM cars on the road than honda or toyota too, what do you make of that?
There are also a lot people in the US that voted for Sarah Palin for VP. 
Joking aside, Ford has really stepped up it's game and GM and Chrysler seem to be falling in line.
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Agreed. The improvements across the board for GM, Ford and Chrysler in the past two years or so is simply astounding.
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If i was in the market for a 4 door family sedan i would be looking at these...
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The last two new car dealerships I am/were at are Chrysler/Dodge/JEEP/RAM and Chevrolet.
considering objectivity here, of those you have represented, which in their respective lineups are not at all worth the money and/or are giant pieces of crap and will have horrid reliability?
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The last two new car dealerships I am/were at are Chrysler/Dodge/JEEP/RAM and Chevrolet.
considering objectivity here, of those you have represented, which in their respective lineups are not at all worth the money and/or are giant pieces of crap and will have horrid reliability?
Honestly, there have been a LOT of new models that have come out in the past year or two so only time will tell for some of them.
Chrysler has changed nearly their entire product line almost all at the same time. That is an amazing achievement. Time will tell which ones will be the most reliable. That being said, stay away from Dodge Avengers or Nitros.
Chevrolet hasn't had nearly the model turnover that Chrysler has, but they've not been resting on their laurels either. The new Sonic is a nice little car, vastly better than the Aveo it replaces.
If there is a specific vehicle you have questions on, please feel free to ask.
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If i was in the market for a 4 door family sedan i would be looking at these...
Ford did an outstanding job with the Taurus reboot.
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the new doo-rang-go 2012 or 2013 R/T
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The last two new car dealerships I am/were at are Chrysler/Dodge/JEEP/RAM and Chevrolet.
I see, so they come in to your dealership, and you tell them to go away to another dealership to buy the real deal German car. MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!!!
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the new doo-rang-go 2012 or 2013 R/T
I was at the JEEP store when they introduced the all new Grand Cherokee. The Durango and the Grand Cherokee are essentially the same vehicle. That's a good thing.
Chrysler as a whole really benefited from the short lived Mercedes ownership. The Durango/Grand Cherokee is based on the ML platform and it is superb. All the important details on this vehicle are spot on. The only drawback is that the 5.7 litre engine is a little thirsty; however, if I were to get one the 5.7 litre would be the smallest engine I would consider. The Pentastar V6 is an excellent engine, but it's just a little too small for my tastes in this sized SUV. It's also pared with the older 5 speed transmission. The 6 speed transmission that is mated to the 5.7 is better. win/win
Honestly, I would personally buy one. That's about as strong a stamp of approval as I can give.
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Mangler_SC posted:
The last two new car dealerships I am/were at are Chrysler/Dodge/JEEP/RAM and Chevrolet.
I'm trolling, pay me no mind.
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what about the 3rd row seating? only good for midgets as Consumer Reports purports?
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good ol' american: still tickin
That looks like the vehicle Tessa and Cutt should get.
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what about the 3rd row seating? only good for midgets as Consumer Reports purports?
It is cramped back there, yes. Would they work in a pinch? Sure. But I wouldn't put anyone back there very long.
If you are looking for 3rd row seating, nothing beats a Suburban.
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Or a minivan. (I just beat someone else to it...)
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I posted in someone else's thread about looking at a new vehicle, and I've been doing some reading here: Upscale mid-size cars. Personally, I've been looking at that Buick Regal, ranked #2 on the list.
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Buick (GM) has been coming out with some great vehicles as of late. It's not your Grandpa's Buick any more.
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