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unless they tested this money for drugs the moment they got the money, I dont see how the cops can win this.
http://news.yahoo.com/minnesota-waitress-sues-police-seize-12-000-tip-212757225--abc-news-topstories.html
Stacy Knutson, a struggling Minnesota waitress and mother of five, says she was searching for a "miracle" to help her family with financial problems.
But that "miracle" quickly came and went after police seized a $12,000 tip that was left at her table. Knutson filed a lawsuit in Clay County District Court stating that the money is rightfully hers. Police argue it is drug money.
Knutson was working at the Fryn' Pan in Moorhead, Minn., when, according to her attorney, Craig Richie, a woman left a to-go box from another restaurant on the table. Knutson followed the woman to her car to return the box to her.
"No I am good, you keep it," the woman said, according to the lawsuit.
Knutson did not know the woman and has not seen her since, Richie said. Knutson thought it was "strange" that the woman told her to keep it but she took it inside. The box felt too heavy to be leftovers, Ritchie said, so she opened it -- only to find bundles of cash wrapped in rubber bands.
"Even though I desperately needed the money as my husband and I have five children, I feel I did the right thing by calling the Moorhead Police," Knutson said in the lawsuit.
Police seized the money and originally told Knutson that if no one claimed it after 60 days, it was hers. She was later told 90 days, Richie said. When 90 days passed, Knutson was still without the $12,000.
Police told Knutson the money was being held as "drug money" and she would receive a $1,000 reward instead, the lawsuit states. Lt. Tory Jacobson of the Moorhead police said he could not disclose much information about the case because it is an ongoing investigation.
"With turning this money over to us, we initiated an investigation to determine whose money this is," Jacobson told ABC News. "The result has been a narcotics investigation."
Police argue that the money had a strong odor of marijuana and therefore falls under a law that allows for forfeiture of the money because it was in the proximity of a controlled substance, the lawsuit states. But there were no drugs in the box and Richie said he believes this law is not being used correctly.
[Related: What happens to seized "drug money"?]
"Because it was in contact with drugs somewhere along the line, it's somehow drug money," Richie said. "This isn't drug money."
A police dog also performed a sniff test on the money and, according to the dog's handler, discovered an odor.
Two of Knutson's co-workers, along with her son Brandon, were at the Fryn' Pan the night she discovered the money. Her co-workers say they did not smell marijuana.
"I know the smell of marijuana," Nickolas Fronning, a line cook at the Fryn' Pan, said in an affidavit. "I can also assure you that there was no smell of marijuana on the bills or coming from the box."
There was nothing suspicious in the restaurant when the money was found, co-workers said. They don't why it was given to Knutson.
"She was just in the right place at the right time," Tracy Johnson, the assistant manager at the Fryn' Pan, told ABC News.
Knutson's family has had a long financial struggle. She has been a waitress at the Fryn' Pan for 18 years.
"We do everything we can to make ends meet, but often times everything is not covered," she said in the lawsuit.
Knutson's financial woes are well-known in her church, Richie said. She believes that perhaps someone from the church gave her the money through this woman but did not want to be identified.
"Somebody knew she really needed the money and she needed to be helped," Richie said.
Jacobson says it is up to the judge to decide who the money rightfully belongs to.
"The police department doesn't have a decision on either side," Jacobson said. "She did the right thing, we credit her with that. It's certainly not the police department against her. We're actually with her."
But Richie said he firmly believes this is not drug money and it rightfully belongs to Knutson.
"The only thing that smells bad about this is that it's unfair," Richie said. "So that's why we're doing something about it."
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So at the end of the day, she still has $1k more than when she started that shift. Stop complaining that you did the right thing by turning over the cash and they gave you a reward. You can't look at the box having contained money. Look at it from the perspective of it holding $12k worth of blow or some other object of equal value but not green paper that is accepted as currency. It was an object and a suspicious one at that.
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The only one who will make out here is the lawyer.
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JD_HOGG posted:
The only one who will make out here is the lawyer.
name me one time where that ISN'T the case
and if she makes more than a $1000.00 then she did too
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It's her $12,000 though. 60 days went by, then 90. They're stealing the money for themselves. They made that crap up about marijuana odor.
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Technically combat beat you to the punch.
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technically yes... but thats never stopped me
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This threads better it has more replies.
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winga posted:
Technically combat beat you to the punch.
I believe in the free market.
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I'm just sayin 
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Unless that money is related to an ongoing case it should be returned to her. That bit about the money smelling of weed is crap, something like 95% of US currency has traces of cocaine on it.
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Why did she call the police? It's cash. She's stupid and deserves to get taken...
If I found $12,000 in cash? I wouldn't even tell my brother about it.
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JD_HOGG posted:
mofo starting out?
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Fozzie_Bear posted:
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Why did she call the police? It's cash. She's stupid and deserves to get taken...
If I found $12,000 in cash? I wouldn't even tell my brother about it.
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Dwaveran posted:
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Why did she call the police? It's cash. She's stupid and deserves to get taken...
If I found $12,000 in cash? I wouldn't even tell my brother about it.
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That's what she gets for getting the police involved. It's a very 'American' mindset to think of the police as your friends that always want to help you.
You think Sicilians or Russians think that way? Or Blacks?
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That's what she gets for getting the police involved. It's a very 'American' mindset to think of the police as your friends that always want to help you.
You think Sicilians or Russians think that way? Or Blacks?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that waitress was a white woman.
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Why would someone trafficking drugs just give a bunch of money away?
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It was her cut of the deal.
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JD_HOGG posted:
ikkoikki posted:
That's what she gets for getting the police involved. It's a very 'American' mindset to think of the police as your friends that always want to help you.
You think Sicilians or Russians think that way? Or Blacks?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that waitress was a white woman.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/struggling-minnesota-waitress-sues-police-seize-12000-tip/story?id=16074433#.T33f8dXXtGo
looks white to me
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It was her cut of the deal.
and she's trying to launder money through the cops?
LOL
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Fozzie_Bear posted:
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Nah mine would say
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Under fun only.
And the cops are BS in this story. Even if it smells of weed, all it was was cash.
I'm going to put this cash in the fridge because it smells like bananas and I don't want the cash to expire and not be able to use it any more. (Equivalent to let's hold the money because the drug dog barked at it! And somehow is able to TALK and tell them it has a distinct odor of marijuana specifically!
What if this really is money donated anonymously by someone from the church? What would it matter if the box was used to hold the persons peronal weed stash before they took the weed out and filled it with cash? How does a drug dog barking at cash automatically mean that the cash should be involved in a narcotics investigation??? Not even an ON-GOING investigation, but just a investigation created based on the money. Such circular logic.
The money is drug-money.
How do you know this?
The money smelled of drugs.
How does this make it drug-money?
It's MONEY, that has had some sort of contact with DRUGS, clearly drug-money.
Let's just ignore the 6 degrees of seperation. Forget all about the fact that all of our money includes drug-money that is circulated in. They could confiscate $20 tips based upon this concept. OMG $20 BILL, THEY CALL THAT A TWENTY SACK IN THE DRUG-WORLD, THEREFOR THAT $20 IS DRUG-MONEY. YOU TWENTY SACK TIPPIN DRUG DEALERS *SHAKES FIST*
Seriously though, to the people talking about how she turned the cash in for a reason, that she knew something was off about it - she DIDN'T KNOW. That was the point. She called the police to make sure it wasn't 14k that they could trace back to a robbery of a neighbor of hers or something of that nature.
Instead they just steal it based on ASSUMPTION and force her to be punished based on the POSSIBILITY that the people who gave her the money should be punished for the way in which they received it. Guilt by anonymous association.
All of your guys' accounts should be frozen for co-horting with me on this message board. For all the police know, you guys have been directing me in code, and that's how I've made my million dollar drug trade work. Not only that I find a way to secretly fence the cash back to all of you.
SEIZE THEIR ASSETS, E-POLICE!!!
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