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Topic: Shell is considering building plant that would convert natural gas into diesel

Terminius_Est Title: Moon River Posts: 40,732 Registered: Feb 27, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 40,160 User ID: 651,096	Subject: Shell is considering building plant that would convert natural gas into diesel
	http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304072004577323770856080102.html The technology to turn natural gas into a clean, low-sulfur diesel fuel was developed in Nazi Germany. But the high costs of building GTL plants generally have kept the technique from being commercially viable. The first large-scale plants were built in Qatar because the nation has an abundance of low-cost natural gas. The cost of Shell's the plant in Qatar escalated to about $18 billion, but the company hopes the knowledge gained there will help keep costs in check in Louisiana, one of the people said. The diesel produced in the state could be exported to Europe and Latin America. Wow!! New technology has completly changed the US energy market. My company scrapped a log term plan to import natural gas. -----signature----- There is no emotion, there is peace. There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no chaos, there is harmony. There is no death, there is the FORCE. Sci/Fi Bookshelf http://tinyurl.com/2z8u9h
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Sith_Mauler Posts: 24,642 Registered: Dec 21, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 24,438 User ID: 750,977	Subject: Shell is considering building plant that would convert natural gas into diesel
	nazi's where also making petro of some type out of coal. German engineering; smart bastards. -----signature----- Well I ain't first class But I ain't white trash I'm wild and a little crazy too I have seen a lot of things in my life time. That is why I walk the line I walk.
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Terminius_Est Title: Moon River Posts: 40,732 Registered: Feb 27, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 40,160 User ID: 651,096	Subject: Shell is considering building plant that would convert natural gas into diesel
	Sith_Mauler posted: nazi's where also making petro of some type out of coal. German engineering; smart bastards. Yes, and desperate too. Necessity is the mother of invention. -----signature----- There is no emotion, there is peace. There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no chaos, there is harmony. There is no death, there is the FORCE. Sci/Fi Bookshelf http://tinyurl.com/2z8u9h
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Ptilk Title: Creepy old pirate Posts: 50,658 Registered: Feb 13, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 48,530 User ID: 645,124	Subject: Shell is considering building plant that would convert natural gas into diesel
	L.N.G. (liquefied natural gas)is a better option than turning it into diesel fuel from a cost and energy standpoint....but you can buy diesel anywhere, and there are very, very few places you can fill up on L.N.G. It would seem reasonable that it could cost less to build a network of them than build one plant that costs 18 billion however. U.P.S already has a small fleet of L.N.G. trucks on the road. Any current diesel engine can be quickly and fairly inexpensively switched over to L.N.G. -----signature----- (none)
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Sith_Mauler Posts: 24,642 Registered: Dec 21, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 24,438 User ID: 750,977	Subject: Shell is considering building plant that would convert natural gas into diesel
	Ptilk posted: L.N.G. (liquefied natural gas)is a better option than turning it into diesel fuel from a cost and energy standpoint....but you can buy diesel anywhere, and there are very, very few places you can fill up on L.N.G. It would seem reasonable that it could cost less to build a network of them than build one plant that costs 18 billion however. U.P.S already has a small fleet of L.N.G. trucks on the road. Any current diesel engine can be quickly and fairly inexpensively switched over to L.N.G. yeah bp has the only lng station around here and its 45 mins away at their regional headquarters, but they sell to the public. the local paper ran a small article about it, when they ran the story a while ago they listed the price at $1.35 a gallon. -----signature----- Well I ain't first class But I ain't white trash I'm wild and a little crazy too I have seen a lot of things in my life time. That is why I walk the line I walk.
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Second_Chance Title: Great One Posts: 31,389 Registered: Feb 28, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 30,770 User ID: 70,935	Subject: Shell is considering building plant that would convert natural gas into diesel
	Terminius_Est posted: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304072004577323770856080102.html The technology to turn natural gas into a clean, low-sulfur diesel fuel was developed in Nazi Germany. But the high costs of building GTL plants generally have kept the technique from being commercially viable. The first large-scale plants were built in Qatar because the nation has an abundance of low-cost natural gas. The cost of Shell's the plant in Qatar escalated to about $18 billion, but the company hopes the knowledge gained there will help keep costs in check in Louisiana, one of the people said. The diesel produced in the state could be exported to Europe and Latin America. Wow!! New technology has completly changed the US energy market. My company scrapped a log term plan to import natural gas. Doesn't the US have the world's largest reserves of natural gas? And your company is importing it? -----signature----- I am my brothers' keeper I quit smoking 6/18/02 @ Midnight then started again Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall. Loyal husband to Katriel <--- Blinky wants your soul!!!
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Terminius_Est Title: Moon River Posts: 40,732 Registered: Feb 27, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 40,160 User ID: 651,096	Subject: Shell is considering building plant that would convert natural gas into diesel
	Second_Chance posted: Terminius_Est posted: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304072004577323770856080102.html The technology to turn natural gas into a clean, low-sulfur diesel fuel was developed in Nazi Germany. But the high costs of building GTL plants generally have kept the technique from being commercially viable. The first large-scale plants were built in Qatar because the nation has an abundance of low-cost natural gas. The cost of Shell's the plant in Qatar escalated to about $18 billion, but the company hopes the knowledge gained there will help keep costs in check in Louisiana, one of the people said. The diesel produced in the state could be exported to Europe and Latin America. Wow!! New technology has completly changed the US energy market. My company scrapped a log term plan to import natural gas. Doesn't the US have the world's largest reserves of natural gas? And your company is importing it? Um, read what I said. Just 3 years ago, a lot of oil companies were developing natural gas import facilities. Not any more. The country with the largest natural gas reserves is Russia. China potentially has more natural gas than the US. It hasn't been developed, but it will. -----signature----- There is no emotion, there is peace. There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no chaos, there is harmony. There is no death, there is the FORCE. Sci/Fi Bookshelf http://tinyurl.com/2z8u9h
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Second_Chance Title: Great One Posts: 31,389 Registered: Feb 28, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 30,770 User ID: 70,935	Subject: Shell is considering building plant that would convert natural gas into diesel
	Terminius_Est posted: Second_Chance posted: Terminius_Est posted: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304072004577323770856080102.html The technology to turn natural gas into a clean, low-sulfur diesel fuel was developed in Nazi Germany. But the high costs of building GTL plants generally have kept the technique from being commercially viable. The first large-scale plants were built in Qatar because the nation has an abundance of low-cost natural gas. The cost of Shell's the plant in Qatar escalated to about $18 billion, but the company hopes the knowledge gained there will help keep costs in check in Louisiana, one of the people said. The diesel produced in the state could be exported to Europe and Latin America. Wow!! New technology has completly changed the US energy market. My company scrapped a log term plan to import natural gas. Doesn't the US have the world's largest reserves of natural gas? And your company is importing it? Um, read what I said. Just 3 years ago, a lot of oil companies were developing natural gas import facilities. Not any more. The country with the largest natural gas reserves is Russia. China potentially has more natural gas than the US. It hasn't been developed, but it will. Ok REREADINGNOW You said this tech has been around since 1940. You said the first plants to turn natural gas into diesel is going on in Qatar. You also used the word "Shell" in that sentence, but it's just floating around due to your bad copy and paste. Then you mentioned "one of the people", not really sure who those guys are...but apparently "one of the people" is hopeful knowledge gained in Qatar will keep costs down in Louisiana, who can then export to Europe and Latin America. I also went a-googling and see that the US is fifth on the list of natural gas reserves. That is surprising to me to learn that your company is scrapping a long term plan to import a resource abundant in the US, and in the same state likely as your refinery. -----signature----- I am my brothers' keeper I quit smoking 6/18/02 @ Midnight then started again Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall. Loyal husband to Katriel <--- Blinky wants your soul!!!
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-VanDraegon- Title: Ratt-n-Roll Posts: 17,650 Registered: Jun 26, '00 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 17,051 User ID: 31,411	Subject: Shell is considering building plant that would convert natural gas into diesel
	If it lowers the cost of diesel in the US, i am all for it. My truck is costing me an arm and a leg. -----signature----- Many men go fishing their entire lives without knowing it is not fish they are after. ~Thoreau
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Fallen_daemon Posts: 54,593 Registered: Jul 28, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 53,783 User ID: 285,476	Subject: Shell is considering building plant that would convert natural gas into diesel
	stupid idea, they could just equip homes and gas stations to use natural gas instead and partner with car company to use natural gas. why convert it and waste money and energy making it. save the steps. -----signature----- Fight white guilt and injustice by going to a Native American casino and gamble your money away. me pic http://acf.curbjaw.com/armchair.htm Formerly known as :armchair warrior, sysphus, fallen_deamon http://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form
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Arc_DT Title: Mithan said I am smart Posts: 11,647 Registered: May 28, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 11,518 User ID: 683,353	Subject: Shell is considering building plant that would convert natural gas into diesel
	Fallen_daemon posted: stupid idea, they could just equip homes and gas stations to use natural gas instead and partner with car company to use natural gas. why convert it and waste money and energy making it. save the steps. It's a safety and vehicle design concern to use compressed gasses as fuel. That's one of the reasons that hydrogen development has been so slow. (And speaking of nazi Germany, they managed to run hydrogen fuel through gasoline-powered cars as well.) I know the University of Michigan was using a fleet of natural gas vehicles a few years back and we had a few stations which carried it, but that seems to have not picked up any steam. I haven't been on that side of town in a while to see if the stations still carry it. -----signature----- "... We just need a president to sign this stuff... Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president." -Grover Norquist . MICHIGAN - Where the trees are the right height!
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Terminius_Est Title: Moon River Posts: 40,732 Registered: Feb 27, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 40,160 User ID: 651,096	Subject: Shell is considering building plant that would convert natural gas into diesel
	-VanDraegon- posted: If it lowers the cost of diesel in the US, i am all for it. My truck is costing me an arm and a leg. That's just it. They might export diesel. It wouldn't necessarily cut the domestic cost. -----signature----- There is no emotion, there is peace. There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no chaos, there is harmony. There is no death, there is the FORCE. Sci/Fi Bookshelf http://tinyurl.com/2z8u9h
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Ptilk Title: Creepy old pirate Posts: 50,658 Registered: Feb 13, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 48,530 User ID: 645,124	Subject: Shell is considering building plant that would convert natural gas into diesel
	Vehicle fuel (whether gasoline, diesel, C.N.G., L.N.G., or hell whatever) is traded on the world market. At this time, the US already produces more gasoline than we use. We export it. Same is true of diesel. World demand is growing like crazy and domestic demand is shrinking. No company is going to spend money to produce more product for the US when we already produce more than we need, so any planned new production is going to be done with export in mind. That's why the "drill baby, drill" crowd is so out of touch. Simply producing more here wont do a damn thing for prices, as all oil is traded globally. They wont sell it here simply because they produce it here for less than they could sell it for to China or South Korea. Why the hell would or should they? They are in business to make money, not lower domestic gas prices. As far as producing alternative fuels that could help the US....well that's not their job either. If there is no demand, they wont make it. Which comes first, supply or demand. In the normal order of business, demand drives supply not the other way around. People will make a product once other people are willing to pay for it. With almost no vehicles using alternative fuels, no oil company is going to make it. On the other hand, no auto company is going to mass produce a car that you can't fill up anywhere. So there will be no demand because no one will ever create one. Tough situation, it will take decades for demand to trickle up to the point where it's economically feasible for oil companies to create alternate fuels in large quantities and thus at low cost, Sometimes these things have to be pushed if they are to happen in a time line that helps anyone currently alive. -----signature----- (none)
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