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Funny how much Conservatives distrusts the state and yet think it's competent enough to murder.
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I mean the same people who cry over and over about the incompetence of government is willing to let that same incompetent government execute people.
Seems stupid 
It gets even more f'ked when the conservative is also pro-life. 
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Killing people seems like one thing conservatives usually support the state doing, preferably as many and as brown as possible.
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I think the state has proven itself effective at killing.
We should let it do what it does best!
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Adjudicating our laws is one of the things government must do and be as fair and impartial as possible. When it comes to capital punishment, I don't see the government being very cavalier about it. The process takes years and probably has the most safe guards than any other activity the government preforms.
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I hate being in agreement with the Swede, so as of 1 minute ago I am now a fervent capital punishment supporter.
I have some Outposters I would like to nominate for the honor.
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I support abolishment of the death penalty.
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Im for the US not having the death penalty anymore. Life in prison with no parole is better
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cabbyman posted:
I think the state has proven itself effective at killing.
We should let it do what it does best!
Ya might wanna rethink that. 
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I'm not *actually* for the death penalty.
Then again I'm not an (R), nor characteristically American Conservative, and I've never yet admitted on this board what my full position is on abortion.
My position on the penal system is complicated enough it would take about a 500 page essay so I'll spare you.
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No no go ahead please.
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The trouble with the death penalty is that there have been RARE cases where it fell upon innocent people.
Me, I think it should be used BUT only where no possibility of error can be quantified. A 'reasonable' judgement of guilt would not be ebough to execute, only incarcerate.
People like Paul Bernardo & Karla Homolka in Canada are not worthy of preserving. In the latter case, because she testified to enable conviction of Bernardo, she was actually given a short sentence - she should have gotten life with no parole and him be hung.
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I am a conservative and I am against the death penalty, against abortion , and against war
All are state sponsored acts of murder
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That settles it. I am now pro-death penalty, pro-abortion, pro-war.
We need to invade somewhere new and give out free abortions to all their populace. 
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That settles it. I am now pro-death penalty, pro-abortion, pro-war.
We need to invade somewhere new and give out free abortions to all their populace.
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i think there are people that deserve to die but i do not believe in the death penalty.
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I can see this as the perfect place to compromise.
Take the Death Penalty off the books in all 50 states and kill Social Security and Medicare.
Done deal.
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Manegarm posted:
I mean the same people who cry over and over about the incompetence of government is willing to let that same incompetent government execute people.
Seems stupid
It gets even more f'ked when the conservative is also pro-life.
Fascinating isn't it?
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A person is usually sentenced to death by 12 of their peers, not just a government official. The people have a direct say in the matter.
In any case, though I have little concern for people on death row, it's become such an expensive and drawn out process that I'm not really sure it's worth it. What's the point of pursuing the death penalty when it could work against the prosecution (people are rightly less likely to send a man to death than life in prison given the same evidence) and there's always the possibility for a mistake which ends an innocent man's life.
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Eager_Igraine posted:
Manegarm posted:
I mean the same people who cry over and over about the incompetence of government is willing to let that same incompetent government execute people.
Seems stupid
It gets even more f'ked when the conservative is also pro-life.
Fascinating isn't it?
Pro-life is a title someone slapped on people who don't want to kill babies just like pro-choice is a title someone slapped on people who want to kill babies.
I am pro-babies, not pro-life. I am fine with the position that we shouldn't kill babies but we should kill murderers and rapists.
I don't want to see abortions outlawed. That's a personal choice. Feel free to have all the abortions you want but they are not my choice for my family.
I would, however, like to see less hung juries and more hung defendants. 
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cabbyman posted:
I don't want to see abortions outlawed. That's a personal choice. Feel free to have all the abortions you want but they are not my choice for my family.
That's means you're pro-choice, not pro-life, cabbywoman.
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LadyGodiva. posted:
A person is usually sentenced to death by 12 of their peers, not just a government official. The people have a direct say in the matter.
In any case, though I have little concern for people on death row, it's become such an expensive and drawn out process that I'm not really sure it's worth it. What's the point of pursuing the death penalty when it could work against the prosecution (people are rightly less likely to send a man to death than life in prison given the same evidence) and there's always the possibility for a mistake which ends an innocent man's life.
That distinction you're trying to make doesn't really exist.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
cabbyman posted:
I don't want to see abortions outlawed. That's a personal choice. Feel free to have all the abortions you want but they are not my choice for my family.
That's means you're pro-choice, not pro-life, cabbywoman.
Those titles are pretty stupid.
Nobody is anything 100% of the time and in 100% of all cases.
Babies should get a chance.
Murderers and rapists already had theirs.
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Manegarm posted:
It's more humane to torture people for years than to give them a swift merciful death.
I'm not sure that's true.
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I do not support the death penalty.
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paulg_68 posted:
Manegarm posted:
It's more humane to torture people for years than to give them a swift merciful death.
I'm not sure that's true.
You could give them the choice. That seems like the libertarian thing to do.
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LadyGodiva. posted:
A person is usually sentenced to death by 12 of their peers, not just a government official. The people have a direct say in the matter.
In any case, though I have little concern for people on death row, it's become such an expensive and drawn out process that I'm not really sure it's worth it. What's the point of pursuing the death penalty when it could work against the prosecution (people are rightly less likely to send a man to death than life in prison given the same evidence) and there's always the possibility for a mistake which ends an innocent man's life.
I would not let 12 of my so called "peers" choose what detergent I should use.. It's still the Judge that sentences you and that's the government, so you're wrong!
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It's more humane to torture people for years than to give them a swift merciful death.
I like seeing people die.. it gets me off
Well Paulsie, it's not a shock that you're pro-death penalty enacted by the gov I mean you love government and think it's oh so effective and functional.
I also never said anything about humane.. It's simply the issue of wrongful execution, lock a guy up and you can release him.. Now if you kill him that's a different issue.
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