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Is this part of Captain Zero’s “all of the above” energy policy?




WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Even if President Barack Obama approved the controversial Keystone XL pipeline tomorrow, at least some Canadian oil would still flow to Asia, according to Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

In a public one-on-one interview here with Jane Harman, head of the Wilson Centre think-tank, Harper said Obama's rejection of the controversial pipeline -- even temporarily -- stressed Canada's need to find other buyers for oilsands crude.

And that wouldn't change even if the president's mind did.

"Look, the very fact that a 'no' could even be said underscores to our country that we must diversify our energy export markets," Harper told Harman in front of a live audience of businesspeople, scholars, diplomats, and journalists.

"We cannot be, as a country, in a situation where our one and, in many cases, only energy partner could say no to our energy products. We just cannot be in that position."

His wide-ranging question-and-answer at the influential non-partisan think-tank -- which also touched on border security, trade, the Arctic and Syria among other topics -- followed a meeting with Obama and Mexican President Felipe Calderon at the White House for the sixth North American Leaders' Summit.

Harper also told Harman that Canada has been selling its oil to the United States at a discounted price.

So not only will America be able to buy less Canadian oil even if Keystone is eventually approved, the U.S. will also have to pay more for it because the market for oilsands crude will be more competitive.

"We have taken a significant price hit by virtue of the fact that we are a captive supplier and that just does not make sense in terms of the broader interests of the Canadian economy," Harper said. "We're still going to be a major supplier of the United States. It will be a long time, if ever, before the United States isn't our number one export market, but for us the United States cannot be our only export market.

"That is not in our interest, either commercially or in terms of pricing."

Earlier this year, Obama rejected TransCanada's bid to build the $7 billion pipeline that would carry crude from Alberta to refineries in the Gulf of Mexico.

Obama blamed Republicans in Congress for imposing an arbitrary timeline on him to decide on the project, which he said did not allow enough time for sufficient reviews even though Keystone had been under review for three years already.

Supporters of the project, which include big labour unions and the business community, estimate construction jobs alone to build the pipeline would be in the thousands at a time when the U.S. economy is struggling to recover from the recession.

Polls show some 60% of Americans also support building the pipeline.

But opponents argue developing Canada's oilsands cause high greenhouse gas emissions and worry the pipeline could leak in sensitive environmental areas along the route.

Last month, Obama tried to take credit for expediting the southern leg of the pipeline from Oklahoma to Texas that is going ahead, but the White House has no jurisdiction over the pipeline except where it crosses an international border.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/world/archives/2012/04/20120402-195920.html

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GOD DAMN IT FYC DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS

 

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Heard this as well.

The man makes some really dumb decisions, but in this regard I think it's just smart business practice what he's saying.


As I said last week via the 2012 Budget proposal, there is significant emphasis on improving pipelines in our country to the Pacific, to improving harbours and docks on the Pacific, and for upgrading/improving tanking capabilities...in the Pacific. Sounds like the goal is pretty clear.

 

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I'm surprise Canada didn't do this earlier, its pure business. Shouldn't let emotional attachments get in the way of business.

 

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I'm surprise Canada didn't do this earlier, its pure business. Shouldn't let emotional attachments get in the way of business.


Couple things

1) The US is our biggest trading partner. You try not to completely piss off your biggest customer by doing things they don't want.
2) The US could mop the floor with us in a fight. You try not to completely piss off the guy with the biggest stick in the yard if you don't want to get beat down.




I feel like Canada is sort of growing up. We've always been the 'little brother' of the US. Get made fun of, sort of a running joke, but we're tolerated because we're nice and everyone thinks we're OK. I feel like we might have moved/are moving into that awkward teenager phase. We do things that piss you off, things that are mistakes, but also some things that are better for us (not others) in the long term. Not everyone is happy about it, but it's the right move.

One day maybe we'll actual 'grow up' and be considered an equal. One day...

 

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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
Fallen_daemon posted:
I'm surprise Canada didn't do this earlier, its pure business. Shouldn't let emotional attachments get in the way of business.


Couple things

1) The US is our biggest trading partner. You try not to completely piss off your biggest customer by doing things they don't want.
2) The US could mop the floor with us in a fight. You try not to completely piss off the guy with the biggest stick in the yard if you don't want to get beat down.




I feel like Canada is sort of growing up. We've always been the 'little brother' of the US. Get made fun of, sort of a running joke, but we're tolerated because we're nice and everyone thinks we're OK. I feel like we might have moved/are moving into that awkward teenager phase. We do things that piss you off, things that are mistakes, but also some things that are better for us (not others) in the long term. Not everyone is happy about it, but it's the right move.

One day maybe we'll actual 'grow up' and be considered an equal. One day...


I needed a good laugh. Thank you.

 

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Business shouldn't piss off the so called purveyors of justice and human rights and other fake bs LOL on the international stage and no country should be given discounts because they might get invaded. what is this 3rd world country? but the US acts as a Mafia state, if they don't like your policies you get invaded and changed.

 

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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
Fallen_daemon posted:
I'm surprise Canada didn't do this earlier, its pure business. Shouldn't let emotional attachments get in the way of business.


Couple things

1) The US is our biggest trading partner. You try not to completely piss off your biggest customer by doing things they don't want.
2) The US could mop the floor with us in a fight. You try not to completely piss off the guy with the biggest stick in the yard if you don't want to get beat down.


I feel like Canada is sort of growing up. We've always been the 'little brother' of the US. Get made fun of, sort of a running joke, but we're tolerated because we're nice and everyone thinks we're OK. I feel like we might have moved/are moving into that awkward teenager phase. We do things that piss you off, things that are mistakes, but also some things that are better for us (not others) in the long term. Not everyone is happy about it, but it's the right move.

One day maybe we'll actual 'grow up' and be considered an equal. One day...


@ 2 - why would I want to fight my Canuckistanian neighbors? I mean...I get that having a few hundred million psychopaths with guns and nukes right next door makes you nervous, but I don't see anyone wanting a war because you trade oil with China instead of us. The only terrorists you guys are guilty of harboring are Alanis Morissette and Celine Dion.

 

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@ 2 - why would I want to fight my Canuckistanian neighbors? I mean...I get that having a few hundred million psychopaths with guns and nukes right next door makes you nervous, but I don't see anyone wanting a war because you trade oil with China instead of us. The only terrorists you guys are guilty of harboring are Alanis Morissette and Celine Dion.


I thought we shipped Celine to you... mischief
edit: I also noticed you didn't include Bieber in the list. You're a fan aren't you DE?


Well maybe the US would never actually invade us...I can't say for sure what the political outcome of that would be on the world stage...but whether you guys realize it or not your political influence comes from your wealth and military. Anytime you enter any negotiations, or take a stance on anything, whether implied or not those factors come into play.

You have to look at who's speaking and put the appropriate weight behind their words.

 

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@ 2 - why would I want to fight my Canuckistanian neighbors? I mean...I get that having a few hundred million psychopaths with guns and nukes right next door makes you nervous, but I don't see anyone wanting a war because you trade oil with China instead of us. The only terrorists you guys are guilty of harboring are Alanis Morissette and Celine Dion.


BAHAHAH!!!!

 

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Yeah, but lots of lesser countries don't really give a crap about the wealth or military might behind US foreign policy - more than one rogue state comes to mind, and even some that aren't considered 'rogue' (like Israel, for example, who will ultimately do whatever the eff they feel like when it comes down to the wire).

I can understand the economic concerns and military issues where it concerns the overall defense of NA, but I don't think you guys have to worry about us bombing Quebec or something.

Then again, you guys did once burn the White House down on basically an angry drunken bender... thinking

 

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Wait, Bieber is Canadian!? This pre-teen mess is YOUR FAULT!?

Nuke Canada. Nuke it now.

 

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we arent going to fight our neighbors to the north. that'd be stupid on a grand scale.

its Business, oil needs to be sold to make the money

 

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If you bombed Quebec...that might help our internal politics a ton. wink

The big difference with a lot of other countries is they don't live next door to you. Sometimes you can be a bit more rebellious when you have the comfort and security of being across the globe.


*shrug*

End of the day, there is some tension and things that we disagree on. But there are 1001 things that are awesome, that we do right, and that can't be found anywhere else in the world. And when you leave NA...(I at least) feel like a complete outsider. My southern brothers and sisters are a welcome sight and good companionship when I'm abroad.

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One day the US would have tons of poor people and they'll run for the Canadian border and they'll be called snow backs tongue . The US per capita for a Industrial country poor people sure have a ton of kids!!! When I came to the US it only had about 200 million plus, now its over 300 million.

 

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Yeah, I really don't think we could ask for better neighbors than the Canadians. I wouldn't even particularly like it if the British were right next door...you guys are a bit more laid back than they are. This oil thing is just business, and if it's one thing the US understands, it's a business decision. I wouldn't sweat it.

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Canada will not sell 100% of its oil to the US? Shocking?

Canada will try and initiate a trade war with the US? They don't have the leverage to do this. At least not the muscle to win a trade war.

 

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If we haven't nuked Mexico by now for all the trouble it causes with drug cartels and illegal democrats, then we'd never nuke Canada.


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WTF I went to buy my oil today, goddamn Canada they charge me more!!!! A OUTRAGE!!!

 

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first you get the oil, then you get the women, then you get the power


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If Republicans wanted the pipeline so badly, why did they object to it going through some of their states?

 

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