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StanleyM84 posted:

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Annnnnnnnnd Mentalists go to the top of the food chain.

I like that they are addressing the ML line issues somewhat, but I dont like this one.

Maybe another Patch note? Speedwarps now have their hits reduced to 50 and their radius has been reduced from 3k to 1500. That would be <3

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thorbjord posted:

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As much as I would love a SW on my mentalist I really don't want this to go live, there will be way to many mentalists running around if it does.

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Kahzee posted:

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thorbjord posted:

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As much as I would love a SW on my mentalist I really don't want this to go live, there will be way to many mentalists running around if it does.

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I really dont see how speedwarp would make them op

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KappenWizzbang posted:

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Has there ever been an ML ability moved to a baseline or class line?

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Devaster-S- posted:

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Kahzee posted:

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thorbjord posted:

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As much as I would love a SW on my mentalist I really don't want this to go live, there will be way to many mentalists running around if it does.

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I really dont see how speedwarp would make them op

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Has nothing to do with OP. But I wish I could go banelord on my Lock and still maintain SW. Or how about perfecter on my shaman and still get SW? Or how about perfecter on my druid and still get SW? Get where I am going with this?

The only logical fix is to give mentalists access to convoker, remove stormlord, and limit the ML9 convoker ability to only perma charm (capped at level 50).

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deeper_ posted:

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I'm all for this change, finally a viable second demezz that doesn't hurt the number of speedwarps in hib groups. Might bring a bit more overall balance to make hib groups not suck as much phat wang.

If mentalists weren't fotm already they sure will be now.

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an_enchanter posted:

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yeah this is so stupid now mentalists will be groupable without other casters

what a bunch of shit

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Syndiz posted:

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allow em to use ml9 on perma charmed pets.

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DarkPCK posted:

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an_enchanter posted:

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yeah this is so stupid now mentalists will be groupable without other casters

what a bunch of shit

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Yeah because 4/1 hib groups are a good idea with a Mentalist. TF up.

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Aswakhtor posted:

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I can imagine a mid tank all tank group going against an all mentalist group.

each ment rr5s a tank and they DPS down the non-tanks

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Aswakhtor posted:

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I can imagine a mid tank all tank group going against an all mentalist group.

each ment rr5s a tank and they DPS down the non-tanks

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deeper_ posted:

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I'm all for this change, finally a viable second demezz that doesn't hurt the number of speedwarps in hib groups. Might bring a bit more overall balance to make hib groups not suck as much phat wang.

If mentalists weren't fotm already they sure will be now.

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Simon387 posted:

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wtb it on banelords locks too!

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Devaster-S- posted:

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Kahzee posted:

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thorbjord posted:

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As much as I would love a SW on my mentalist I really don't want this to go live, there will be way to many mentalists running around if it does.

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I really dont see how speedwarp would make them op

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Has nothing to do with OP. But I wish I could go banelord on my Lock and still maintain SW. Or how about perfecter on my shaman and still get SW? Or how about perfecter on my druid and still get SW? Get where I am going with this?

The only logical fix is to give mentalists access to convoker, remove stormlord, and limit the ML9 convoker ability to only pulse charm (capped at level 50).

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Devaster-S- posted:

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I meant perma charm and not pulse charm. Perma charm is already capped at level 50 and it would be no different than sorc and SM having charmed level 50 ML9'd pets. Just make it so the mentalist can't use ML9 convoker with a pulse charm pet.

But Mythic/EA/Bioware rarely removes anything from a class. People will cry about losing stormlord, even though it sucks in just about all situations in the game. So I don't see mentalists losing stormlord.

They better put SW in a spec line. Giving it baseline lol. I thought that was another April Fool's joke.

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Kook_ posted:

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Only reason Mentalists got it for 'free' is because they don't have the option for speedwarp at all whereas other classes do have the option. So I won't forsee this becoming baseline for any other classes.

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Devaster-S- posted:

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Kahzee posted:

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thorbjord posted:

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As much as I would love a SW on my mentalist I really don't want this to go live, there will be way to many mentalists running around if it does.

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I really dont see how speedwarp would make them op

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Has nothing to do with OP. But I wish I could go banelord on my Lock and still maintain SW. Or how about perfecter on my shaman and still get SW? Or how about perfecter on my druid and still get SW? Get where I am going with this?

The only logical fix is to give mentalists access to convoker, remove stormlord, and limit the ML9 convoker ability to only pulse charm (capped at level 50).

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Kook_ posted:

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Mentalists are the only caster in the DAOC lacking speedwarp and that is a crucial neccesity for groups which hindered them. Certain group setups left out Mentalists for the longest time because they lacked speedwarp, or they had to revise the setup.

Addition to baseline is the best option because:

#1 Hibernia already has 3 ML9 pet classes (Druid, Enchanter and Animist) and don't need a 4th ML9 pet class with Convoker.
#2 Making it spec line would just favor one line only which isn't fair to other specs.

Only reason Mentalists got it for 'free' is because they don't have the option for speedwarp at all whereas other classes do have the option. So I won't forsee this becoming baseline for any other classes.

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Kook_ posted:

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Mentalists are the only caster in the DAOC lacking speedwarp and that is a crucial neccesity for groups which hindered them. Certain group setups left out Mentalists for the longest time because they lacked speedwarp, or they had to revise the setup.

Addition to baseline is the best option because:

#1 Hibernia already has 3 ML9 pet classes (Druid, Enchanter and Animist) and don't need a 4th ML9 pet class with Convoker.
#2 Making it spec line would just favor one line only which isn't fair to other specs.

Only reason Mentalists got it for 'free' is because they don't have the option for speedwarp at all whereas other classes do have the option. So I won't forsee this becoming baseline for any other classes.

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StanleyM84 posted:

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put a speedwarp in stormlord... fixed

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StanleyM84 posted:

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put a speedwarp in stormlord... fixed

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Devaster-S- posted:

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Kahzee posted:

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thorbjord posted:

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As much as I would love a SW on my mentalist I really don't want this to go live, there will be way to many mentalists running around if it does.

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I really dont see how speedwarp would make them op

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Has nothing to do with OP. But I wish I could go banelord on my Lock and still maintain SW. Or how about perfecter on my shaman and still get SW? Or how about perfecter on my druid and still get SW? Get where I am going with this?

The only logical fix is to give mentalists access to convoker, remove stormlord, and limit the ML9 convoker ability to only pulse charm (capped at level 50).

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Vyxar posted:

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Removing the Stormlord line altogether would make me a lot happier.

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jojobonojo posted:

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Kook_ posted:

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Only reason Mentalists got it for 'free' is because they don't have the option for speedwarp at all whereas other classes do have the option. So I won't forsee this becoming baseline for any other classes.

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Thanes are caster like but can never fill a caster slot in a tank group due to lacking speedwarps. What about that situation?

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Chupacabara posted:

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jojobonojo posted:

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Kook_ posted:

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Only reason Mentalists got it for 'free' is because they don't have the option for speedwarp at all whereas other classes do have the option. So I won't forsee this becoming baseline for any other classes.

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Thanes are caster like but can never fill a caster slot in a tank group due to lacking speedwarps. What about that situation?

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They can melee.

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Vyxar posted:

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Removing speedwarp altogether would make me a lot happier.

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jojobonojo posted:

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Kook_ posted:

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Only reason Mentalists got it for 'free' is because they don't have the option for speedwarp at all whereas other classes do have the option. So I won't forsee this becoming baseline for any other classes.

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Thanes are caster like but can never fill a caster slot in a tank group due to lacking speedwarps. What about that situation?

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Kahzee posted:

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jojobonojo posted:

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Kook_ posted:

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Only reason Mentalists got it for 'free' is because they don't have the option for speedwarp at all whereas other classes do have the option. So I won't forsee this becoming baseline for any other classes.

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Thanes are caster like but can never fill a caster slot in a tank group due to lacking speedwarps. What about that situation?

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seriously?

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deeper_ posted:

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I'm fine with them losing stormlord and gaining convoker instead. I'm fine with them getting it baseline too, though I can understand why people are crying about that.

I'm not fine with it being moved into a spec line, because you shouldn't have to make a choice between light spec or mentalism spec in order to gain access to it (lol@mana line, sif that)

Mentalist NEEDS speedwarp for hibernia group balance. The class not having access to it is absolutely retarded and always has been (and I don't care that druids have access to it, because one cure nearsite in group really isn't viable, nor is speccing 40+ regrowth as a druid).

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deeper_ posted:

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I'm fine with them losing stormlord and gaining convoker instead. I'm fine with them getting it baseline too, though I can understand why people are crying about that because other realms don't get ML-related abilities as baseline (boohoo?).

I'm not fine with it being moved into a spec line, because you shouldn't have to make a choice between light spec or mentalism spec in order to gain access to it (lol@mana line, sif that)

Mentalists NEED speedwarp for hibernia group balance. The class not having access to it is absolutely retarded and always has been (and I don't care that druids have access to it, because one cure nearsite in group really isn't viable, nor is speccing 40+ regrowth as a druid).

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GyddGydd posted:

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the problem that i am seeing is that you can now viably run up to 6 heals in the group while retaining dps and high utility. hell you could even run 5 mentalists with some support

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orrime posted:

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Hibernia had significantly more potent healers in groups for years now (druid²/ment/bard), and it never turned out to be a significant advantage compared to albion/mid's 2 potent healers.

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orrime posted:

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Honestly, before the warden patch, hibs were the weaker realm when it comes to heal (with druids going 39/31/20 in order to get a slightly better pets).

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