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why He allows poverty, famine, and injustice in the world when He could do something about it, but I'm afraid He might ask me the same question.

 

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What if "dog" was really spelled "cat" confused

 

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What if "dog" was really spelled "cat" confused


Following your rule, god would be "tac" and act would be "odt"

 

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So you're afraid an invisible person is going to speak to you, and ask you a question that's difficult to answer?

That's on the top of xexy's "to be concerned about" list?

 

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Double a were u raped by a priest or something, your hate for peoples opinion on religion is crazy.

 

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Sometimes I want to ask God why he didn't give me the free hundred million dollars I prayed for but I'm afraid he'd ask me the same thing...

 

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whats better? being mad rich? or hella rich?

 

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XeXy_SainT__ posted:
why He allows poverty, famine, and injustice in the world when He could do something about it, but I'm afraid He might ask me the same question.

God wants you to single-handedly solve the problem? He has the power to do it with the wag of his finger, but he wants you to do it? Sounds lazy to me.

 

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why He allows poverty, famine, and injustice in the world when He could do something about it, but I'm afraid He might ask me the same question.


Aren't you the guy who's against health care for unlucky poor people?

 

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Someone posted this on Facebook and I wanted to see the VNDT reaction.

Tele: Yes, I am against government intrusion in people's lives.

 

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If you believe in christian values that is one thing, if you believe there is a god who has a plan for you that is another.

There are an estimated 200 billion stars in our galaxy alone. There are an estimated 100 billion galaxies in the known universe. That leaves to speculation of how many stars there are in the known universe at around 100 sextillion stars (that is a trillion billion stars).

The Hubble Telescope suggests that there are more stars in the known universe than there are grains of sand on every beach on earth.

I ruled out god as the creator/regulator/ruler of the universe a long time ago. I have faith in myself and the choices I make.

 

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If you believe in christian values that is one thing, if you believe there is a god who has a plan for you that is another.

There are an estimated 200 billion stars in our galaxy alone. There are an estimated 100 billion galaxies in the known universe. That leaves to speculation of how many stars there are in the known universe at around 100 sextillion stars (that is a trillion billion stars).

The Hubble Telescope suggests that there are more stars in the known universe than there are grains of sand on every beach on earth.

I ruled out god as the creator/regulator/ruler of the universe a long time ago. I have faith in myself and the choices I make.


LOL have fun in HELL you stupid faggot.

All those stars are is a test from our true Lord. Come judgement day, I'm happy I'll be saved so I don't have to see you idiots in heaven.

Xexy, God loves us and that is AWESOME!!!! I know he has a plan for everyone in this world and if a kid dies in Africa then he was chosen by the Lord because it was his time!!!!!

God wants us to be good people and to help the poor so that's why I'm donating 3$ to my church offering this year! happy , what have you faggots done to be Holy?

 

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We created poverty, famine, and injustice. Not god's job to clean up our messes. Free will my friend.

 

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LOL have fun in HELL you stupid faggot.

All those stars are is a test from our true Lord. Come judgement day, I'm happy I'll be saved so I don't have to see you idiots in heaven.

Xexy, God loves us and that is AWESOME!!!! I know he has a plan for everyone in this world and if a kid dies in Africa then he was chosen by the Lord because it was his time!!!!!

God wants us to be good people and to help the poor so that's why I'm donating 3$ to my church offering this year! happy , what have you faggots done to be Holy?



Is this real? Did you really just call everyone faggots while saying God wants us to be good people? I feel like you don't understand the definition of a good person. You should be a good person regardless of their beliefs. If God really made us all with plans, than he made me and the other guy that commented an atheist. So what was his plan for us? To have us be called faggots on a forum by one of his followers? Why would he choose that for us? Seems like a dick move on his part.

 

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Yes, I will agree that Hella is supposed to be more than Mad i think

 

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Because being a faggot is a sin and you're going to hell!!!! Homofags are an abomination and true Marriage MUST be between one man and one woman. Read the Bible, idiot, it will do you some good.

Of course God has a plan for us, why else would we exist? Look up the Watchmaker theory. Educate yourself. A world this complex and beautiful COULDN'T have happened naturally. The only explanation is that it was Created by the Almighty.



 

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Because being a faggot is a sin and you're going to hell!!!! Homofags are an abomination and true Marriage MUST be between one man and one woman. Read the Bible, idiot, it will do you some good.

Of course God has a plan for us, why else would we exist? Look up the Watchmaker theory. Educate yourself. A world this complex and beautiful COULDN'T have happened naturally. The only explanation is that it was Created by the Almighty.






Ugh, I can't even move forward with an intelligent conversation if you are just going to call me a faggot. But I should point out in the same book of the bible where it declares a man lying with another man an abomination it declares shellfish an abomination. (It never says anything about marriage between two men wrong, you may construe that due to truth by ommission, but that's different than what you say.)

I have read the Bible, it's why I am an atheist. Maybe you should actually read it once instead of spouting out what others have told you.

 

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We created poverty, famine, and injustice. Not god's job to clean up our messes. Free will my friend.


If we are created in God's image and he runs heaven I'll pass

 

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Because being a faggot is a sin and you're going to hell!!!! Homofags are an abomination and true Marriage MUST be between one man and one woman. Read the Bible, idiot, it will do you some good.

Of course God has a plan for us, why else would we exist? Look up the Watchmaker theory. Educate yourself. A world this complex and beautiful COULDN'T have happened naturally. The only explanation is that it was Created by the Almighty.






Ugh, I can't even move forward with an intelligent conversation if you are just going to call me a faggot. But I should point out in the same book of the bible where it declares a man lying with another man an abomination it declares shellfish an abomination. I have read the Bible, it's why I am an atheist. Maybe you should actually read it once instead of spouting out what others have told you.


Okay I'll try to be more respectful because that's what Jesus would like hehe happy

How can you read the Bible and not Believe? It's so beautiful! Why would you choose to be an atheist and turn away from your savior? Don't you understand that he made The Ultimate Sacrifice for you? And now you're slapping His hand away!!!!! What if your friend gave their life to save you, wouldn't you want to honour them?

I can't believe we live in a world where people question the existence of God when there is so much beauty around. Just look at the trees and the sky! That's why I Believe.

P. S. Your VN name is blasphemous and offensive to my beliefs so I will be reporting you.

 

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none of you have ever read the bible and or know the scriptures.

just sayin

 

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Nor have you ever read any book ever.

 

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Nor have you ever read any book ever.

hahah oops. but yeah i have

 

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known of you have ever read the bible and or know the scriptures.

just sayin


I went to catholic school for 12 years. I can attest to the moral messages that are in the bible (specifically the new testament). However, I don't accept the dogmatism that surrounds any religion.

 

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Okay I'll try to be more respectful because that's what Jesus would like hehe happy

How can you read the Bible and not Believe? It's so beautiful! Why would you choose to be an atheist and turn away from your savior? Don't you understand that he made The Ultimate Sacrifice for you? And now you're slapping His hand away!!!!! What if your friend gave their life to save you, wouldn't you want to honour them?

I can't believe we live in a world where people question the existence of God when there is so much beauty around. Just look at the trees and the sky! That's why I Believe.

P. S. Your VN name is blasphemous and offensive to my beliefs so I will be reporting you.


It's so ridiculous is what it is. The bible is filled with logical fallacies, it hurts my scientific brain. The world is beautiful, very very beautiful, and so is chaotic randomness, and what caused our world to be the way it is today. However, for every argument of beauty there is an argument of ugliness, so I find it hard to believe that someone that wanted to design a beautiful world put so much ugliness inside of it. (Rabbit's digestive systems for one, they have to digest things twice in order to gather the nutrients from it, meaning they have to eat their poop. That isn't very intelligent design in my opinion.)

As for reporting me, please do. I made this account when I was 16, from a AOL SN I had when I was 12. I don't want to lose my date created, but would very much like to use my normal Tag.

 

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R3Mington posted:
known of you have ever read the bible and or know the scriptures.

just sayin


I went to catholic school for 12 years. I can attest to the moral messages that are in the bible (specifically the new testament). However, I don't accept the dogmatism that surrounds any religion.

makes sense, there are messages to be heard, and every religion is going to have its faults. but i am catholic and for the most part catholicism makes sense to me but i hear you when there are things that are obsurd, yet i play them off as not adapted to the modern system. so what can you do haha

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Okay I'll try to be more respectful because that's what Jesus would like hehe happy

How can you read the Bible and not Believe? It's so beautiful! Why would you choose to be an atheist and turn away from your savior? Don't you understand that he made The Ultimate Sacrifice for you? And now you're slapping His hand away!!!!! What if your friend gave their life to save you, wouldn't you want to honour them?

I can't believe we live in a world where people question the existence of God when there is so much beauty around. Just look at the trees and the sky! That's why I Believe.

P. S. Your VN name is blasphemous and offensive to my beliefs so I will be reporting you.


It's so ridiculous is what it is. The bible is filled with logical fallacies, it hurts my scientific brain. The world is beautiful, very very beautiful, and so is chaotic randomness, and what caused our world to be the way it is today. However, for every argument of beauty there is an argument of ugliness, so I find it hard to believe that someone that wanted to design a beautiful world put so much ugliness inside of it. (Rabbit's digestive systems for one, they have to digest things twice in order to gather the nutrients from it, meaning they have to eat their poop. That isn't very intelligent design in my opinion.)

As for reporting me, please do. I made this account when I was 16, from a AOL SN I had when I was 12. I don't want to lose my date created, but would very much like to use my normal Tag.


Devil you are getting trolled.

 

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Yeah I gotta start paying attention to class so I'm out. Peace.

Class on evolutionary biology too, lulz.

 

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Devil you are getting trolled.




I figured as much....

 

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If you believe in christian values that is one thing, if you believe there is a god who has a plan for you that is another.

There are an estimated 200 billion stars in our galaxy alone. There are an estimated 100 billion galaxies in the known universe. That leaves to speculation of how many stars there are in the known universe at around 100 sextillion stars (that is a trillion billion stars).

The Hubble Telescope suggests that there are more stars in the known universe than there are grains of sand on every beach on earth.

I ruled out god as the creator/regulator/ruler of the universe a long time ago. I have faith in myself and the choices I make.


Ref your pic:

Have you ever heard of the book Science of God by Gerald Schroeder? It may not have any influence on you but I bet it would make you think twice about your theory on whether or not God exists. Thoughts of the Universe and creation have changed many times. Hell, until 1959 scientists believed the universe was finite and eternal. Since then they've discovered that it indeed had a beginning (creation) and that it continues to expand. Many cultures believe it began somewhere

Since the universe is expanding, a day at the exact point of creation would be millions of years from Earth. Several days would be billions of years later. Even Battlestar Galactica mentioned that concept in season 4; last episode. Einstein (an atheist) taught the world that time is relative. That in regions of high velocity or high gravity time actually passes more slowly relative to regions of lower gravity or lower velocity. (One system relative to another, hence the name, the laws of relativity.) This is now proven fact. Time actually stretches out. Were ever you are time is normal for you because your biology is part of that local system.

As for the notion that life on earth was just a lucky coincidence check out what Stephen Hawkin says:

"The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers (i.e. the constants of physics) seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life". "For example," Hawking writes, "if the electric charge of the electron had been only slightly different, stars would have been unable to burn hydrogen and helium, or else they would not have exploded. It seems clear that there are relatively few ranges of values for the numbers (for the constants) that would allow for development of any form of intelligent life. Most sets of values would give rise to universes that, although they might be very beautiful, would contain no one able to wonder at that beauty."

 

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why He allows poverty, famine, and injustice in the world when He could do something about it, but I'm afraid He might ask me the same question.


Aren't you the guy who's against health care for unlucky poor people?


Are you serious with the unlucky poor people comment?

 

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Someone posted this on Facebook and I wanted to see the VNDT reaction.





so annoying when people make statuses like that

 

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If you believe in christian values that is one thing, if you believe there is a god who has a plan for you that is another.

There are an estimated 200 billion stars in our galaxy alone. There are an estimated 100 billion galaxies in the known universe. That leaves to speculation of how many stars there are in the known universe at around 100 sextillion stars (that is a trillion billion stars).

The Hubble Telescope suggests that there are more stars in the known universe than there are grains of sand on every beach on earth.

I ruled out god as the creator/regulator/ruler of the universe a long time ago. I have faith in myself and the choices I make.


Ref your pic:

Have you ever heard of the book Science of God by Gerald Schroeder? It may not have any influence on you but I bet it would make you think twice about your theory on whether or not God exists. Thoughts of the Universe and creation have changed many times. Hell, until 1959 scientists believed the universe was finite and eternal. Since then they've discovered that it indeed had a beginning (creation) and that it continues to expand. Many cultures believe it began somewhere

Since the universe is expanding, a day at the exact point of creation would be millions of years from Earth. Several days would be billions of years later. Even Battlestar Galactica mentioned that concept in season 4; last episode. Einstein (an atheist) taught the world that time is relative. That in regions of high velocity or high gravity time actually passes more slowly relative to regions of lower gravity or lower velocity. (One system relative to another, hence the name, the laws of relativity.) This is now proven fact. Time actually stretches out. Were ever you are time is normal for you because your biology is part of that local system.

As for the notion that life on earth was just a lucky coincidence check out what Stephen Hawkin says:

"The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers (i.e. the constants of physics) seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life". "For example," Hawking writes, "if the electric charge of the electron had been only slightly different, stars would have been unable to burn hydrogen and helium, or else they would not have exploded. It seems clear that there are relatively few ranges of values for the numbers (for the constants) that would allow for development of any form of intelligent life. Most sets of values would give rise to universes that, although they might be very beautiful, would contain no one able to wonder at that beauty."




Lets see what is more plausible?

A flying spaghetti man in the sky that created everything or everything just happened by coincidence after billions of years of fucking nothingness.

Common sense dictates coincidence since their are trillions upon trillions of planets. Obviously one of these is going to harbor life. It is statistics. Not only should their be at least one intelligent species but their should be millions upon millions around the universe.

You have to extremely naive and self centered if you actually believe humans are the only intelligent species in the universe. Mathematically speaking this notion is absurdity at its finest and literally impossible to be true.

 

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why He allows poverty, famine, and injustice in the world when He could do something about it, but I'm afraid He might ask me the same question.


First, let me say that I doubt seriously that anyone would be saved by a thread on a message board. I think Christians make a mistake by trying to argue someone into accepting Christ. It never really works that way. You started this thread to start a debate and that's all I'm doing.

Stephen Hawking believes in the Laws of Nature. He doesn't believe in God. The Bible and other ancient religious texts point to the fact that God created those Laws of Nature. I don't believe that God intervenes as much as people would expect Him to. For the most part He has set everything in place and lets most things work themselves out. The Ocean cleans itself. The soil replenishes itself with dead leaves so that plants can continue to grow. Doctors admit that they very rarely heal people. Rather they help put the body back in a healthy state so that it can continue to heal itself.

Why doesn't He intervene often enough? Free will is one reason. But also I believe He wanted those who would inherit life everlasting (and all the angelic powers that go with it) to be trusted not to abuse those powers. Like a third of the Angels (Aliens to us?) who revolted and had to be banished from the Heavens (other planets?).

The Apostle Paul chastised Christians for complaining too much about their miseries. He said to them "do you not know that you will come to be rulers of world(s)?" Worlds is plural. Meaning there would be other planets that can sustain life. Such as Kepler 22b perhaps? One thing about God is that He is intent on appearing Just to all. Bibically, this world belongs to Satan (Devil, Lucifer, etc) until God has come to a point where evil is just too unbearable and He believes that there are probably no more people that will accept the Gift of Life. So then He will allow His Son to return and kick some ass.

That's my 2 cents on the matter.

 

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If you believe in christian values that is one thing, if you believe there is a god who has a plan for you that is another.

There are an estimated 200 billion stars in our galaxy alone. There are an estimated 100 billion galaxies in the known universe. That leaves to speculation of how many stars there are in the known universe at around 100 sextillion stars (that is a trillion billion stars).

The Hubble Telescope suggests that there are more stars in the known universe than there are grains of sand on every beach on earth.

I ruled out god as the creator/regulator/ruler of the universe a long time ago. I have faith in myself and the choices I make.


Ref your pic:

Have you ever heard of the book Science of God by Gerald Schroeder? It may not have any influence on you but I bet it would make you think twice about your theory on whether or not God exists. Thoughts of the Universe and creation have changed many times. Hell, until 1959 scientists believed the universe was finite and eternal. Since then they've discovered that it indeed had a beginning (creation) and that it continues to expand. Many cultures believe it began somewhere

Since the universe is expanding, a day at the exact point of creation would be millions of years from Earth. Several days would be billions of years later. Even Battlestar Galactica mentioned that concept in season 4; last episode. Einstein (an atheist) taught the world that time is relative. That in regions of high velocity or high gravity time actually passes more slowly relative to regions of lower gravity or lower velocity. (One system relative to another, hence the name, the laws of relativity.) This is now proven fact. Time actually stretches out. Were ever you are time is normal for you because your biology is part of that local system.

As for the notion that life on earth was just a lucky coincidence check out what Stephen Hawkin says:

"The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers (i.e. the constants of physics) seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life". "For example," Hawking writes, "if the electric charge of the electron had been only slightly different, stars would have been unable to burn hydrogen and helium, or else they would not have exploded. It seems clear that there are relatively few ranges of values for the numbers (for the constants) that would allow for development of any form of intelligent life. Most sets of values would give rise to universes that, although they might be very beautiful, would contain no one able to wonder at that beauty."




I'm glad you mentioned this. No I have not read that book, although it sounds very interesting and I'll definitely have to read up on it. Yes, science is always changing indefinitely. There is always new evidence being discovered to support theories and claims in science. As for God and Religion, there really isn't evidence being discovered that explains in basic terms "our existence".

As for time, that is a subject in itself. Time is a term we've created to explain duration in which events occur. According to Einstein's general theory of relativity, during an event horizon in space, space is basically bent. If someone were to observe the point of no return into a black hole time would literally slow down infinitely. To the observer you would see the object slowly getting closer to the black hole. It would appear this way infinitely, but in reality that object would already be broken down and gravity would have engulfed that object. Like you said, because the universe is expanding, space is expanding, and time is stretched out over an infinite number of light years. It may be impossible for us too see the creation point of the universe.

Now I don't want to dwell too far into this subject because it will lead to science fiction. If we could bend space and time ourselves then theoretically we could travel from point A to point B through a wormhole and reach the far ends of the universe.

Yes we can marvel at the wonder of the universe and study the intricate substances that make up matter. Will the beauty we see in everything around us make me question the existence of god?

Simply no. Only because I believe the idea of God is something humans created in their most primitive being to cope with our unexplainable existence.

 

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none of you have ever read the bible and or know the scriptures.

just sayin


This, most of them are long gone, burned, missing, ect and never made it into the bible. We might know of about 10% of the scriptures and other recordings. Kinda odd how a person who only knows 10% of what he has read about can preach about it.

 

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Lets see what is more plausible?

A flying spaghetti man in the sky that created everything or everything just happened by coincidence after billions of years of fucking nothingness.

Common sense dictates coincidence since their are trillions upon trillions of planets. Obviously one of these is going to harbor life. It is statistics. Not only should their be at least one intelligent species but their should be millions upon millions around the universe.

You have to extremely naive and self centered if you actually believe humans are the only intelligent species in the universe. Mathematically speaking this notion is absurdity at its finest and literally impossible to be true.



Funny you should say that. God is a mathemtician! Don't take my word for it though. How bout a High Physics Nobel Laureate, Professor Steven Weinberg.

"•writing in the journal "Scientific American", reflects on:

how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.
Although Weinberg is a self-described agnostic, he cannot but be astounded by the extent of the fine-tuning. He goes on to describe how a beryllium isotope having the minuscule half life of 0.0000000000000001 seconds must find and absorb a helium nucleus in that split of time before decaying. This occurs only because of a totally unexpected, exquisitely precise, energy match between the two nuclei. If this did not occur there would be none of the heavier elements. No carbon, no nitrogen, no life. Our universe would be composed of hydrogen and helium. But this is not the end of Professor Weinberg's wonder at our well-tuned universe. He continues:

One constant does seem to require an incredible fine-tuning -- The existence of life of any kind seems to require a cancellation between different contributions to the vacuum energy, accurate to about 120 decimal places.
This means that if the energies of the Big Bang were, in arbitrary units, not:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000,
but instead:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000001,
there would be no life of any sort in the entire universe because as Weinberg states:

the universe either would go through a complete cycle of expansion and contraction before life could arise, or would expand so rapidly that no galaxies or stars could form."

That's just one example. The Earth is so finely balanced that to suggest that it was coincidental is not rational. And I actually agree that we aren't the only living beings on Earth. Turn on the news every day. If you were God wouldn't you cover your bets and have many Earths? We're a damn mess!

 

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FWH-Techumseh posted:
Vodka_Tonic posted:


If you believe in christian values that is one thing, if you believe there is a god who has a plan for you that is another.

There are an estimated 200 billion stars in our galaxy alone. There are an estimated 100 billion galaxies in the known universe. That leaves to speculation of how many stars there are in the known universe at around 100 sextillion stars (that is a trillion billion stars).

The Hubble Telescope suggests that there are more stars in the known universe than there are grains of sand on every beach on earth.

I ruled out god as the creator/regulator/ruler of the universe a long time ago. I have faith in myself and the choices I make.


Ref your pic:

Have you ever heard of the book Science of God by Gerald Schroeder? It may not have any influence on you but I bet it would make you think twice about your theory on whether or not God exists. Thoughts of the Universe and creation have changed many times. Hell, until 1959 scientists believed the universe was finite and eternal. Since then they've discovered that it indeed had a beginning (creation) and that it continues to expand. Many cultures believe it began somewhere

Since the universe is expanding, a day at the exact point of creation would be millions of years from Earth. Several days would be billions of years later. Even Battlestar Galactica mentioned that concept in season 4; last episode. Einstein (an atheist) taught the world that time is relative. That in regions of high velocity or high gravity time actually passes more slowly relative to regions of lower gravity or lower velocity. (One system relative to another, hence the name, the laws of relativity.) This is now proven fact. Time actually stretches out. Were ever you are time is normal for you because your biology is part of that local system.

As for the notion that life on earth was just a lucky coincidence check out what Stephen Hawkin says:

"The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers (i.e. the constants of physics) seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life". "For example," Hawking writes, "if the electric charge of the electron had been only slightly different, stars would have been unable to burn hydrogen and helium, or else they would not have exploded. It seems clear that there are relatively few ranges of values for the numbers (for the constants) that would allow for development of any form of intelligent life. Most sets of values would give rise to universes that, although they might be very beautiful, would contain no one able to wonder at that beauty."




Lets see what is more plausible?

A flying spaghetti man in the sky that created everything or everything just happened by coincidence after billions of years of fucking nothingness.

Common sense dictates coincidence since their are trillions upon trillions of planets. Obviously one of these is going to harbor life. It is statistics. Not only should their be at least one intelligent species but their should be millions upon millions around the universe.

You have to extremely naive and self centered if you actually believe humans are the only intelligent species in the universe. Mathematically speaking this notion is absurdity at its finest and literally impossible to be true.




How do you explain how you are you and not just some program running on a evolved by chance organic robot?

Assuming we are just organic robots, does this imply a computer running a program AI can "feel" like we do?

 

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We created poverty, famine, and injustice. Not god's job to clean up our messes. Free will my friend.


We did? Shit, my bad. You would think that say, famine, would be caused by finite resources and other conditions (droughts) and things like that beyond our control.

We can adapt to our environment, but we didn't make it. We can't modify physical laws to have, say, everlasting sources of food and wealth so that there is no poverty or famine. You can blame people for not adapting in a way that isn't perfect, but I think that's condescending and irrational.

 

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0-0-0-0-ppooo posted:
We created poverty, famine, and injustice. Not god's job to clean up our messes. Free will my friend.


We did? Shit, my bad. You would think that say, famine, would be caused by finite resources and other conditions (droughts) and things like that beyond our control.

We can adapt to our environment, but we didn't make it. We can't modify physical laws to have, say, everlasting sources of food and wealth so that there is no poverty or famine. You can blame people for not adapting in a way that isn't perfect, but I think that's condescending and irrational.


Overpopulation is not our fault? Did you think at all before you typed?

 

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TehPersianStallion posted:
0-0-0-0-ppooo posted:
We created poverty, famine, and injustice. Not god's job to clean up our messes. Free will my friend.


We did? Shit, my bad. You would think that say, famine, would be caused by finite resources and other conditions (droughts) and things like that beyond our control.

We can adapt to our environment, but we didn't make it. We can't modify physical laws to have, say, everlasting sources of food and wealth so that there is no poverty or famine. You can blame people for not adapting in a way that isn't perfect, but I think that's condescending and irrational.


Overpopulation is not our fault? Did you think at all before you typed?


You're right it is our fault. We should fix the problem by killing you first.

 

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Lets see what is more plausible?

A flying spaghetti man in the sky that created everything or everything just happened by coincidence after billions of years of fucking nothingness.

Common sense dictates coincidence since their are trillions upon trillions of planets. Obviously one of these is going to harbor life. It is statistics. Not only should their be at least one intelligent species but their should be millions upon millions around the universe.

You have to extremely naive and self centered if you actually believe humans are the only intelligent species in the universe. Mathematically speaking this notion is absurdity at its finest and literally impossible to be true.



Funny you should say that. God is a mathemtician! Don't take my word for it though. How bout a High Physics Nobel Laureate, Professor Steven Weinberg.

"•writing in the journal "Scientific American", reflects on:

how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.
Although Weinberg is a self-described agnostic, he cannot but be astounded by the extent of the fine-tuning. He goes on to describe how a beryllium isotope having the minuscule half life of 0.0000000000000001 seconds must find and absorb a helium nucleus in that split of time before decaying. This occurs only because of a totally unexpected, exquisitely precise, energy match between the two nuclei. If this did not occur there would be none of the heavier elements. No carbon, no nitrogen, no life. Our universe would be composed of hydrogen and helium. But this is not the end of Professor Weinberg's wonder at our well-tuned universe. He continues:

One constant does seem to require an incredible fine-tuning -- The existence of life of any kind seems to require a cancellation between different contributions to the vacuum energy, accurate to about 120 decimal places.
This means that if the energies of the Big Bang were, in arbitrary units, not:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000,
but instead:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000001,
there would be no life of any sort in the entire universe because as Weinberg states:

the universe either would go through a complete cycle of expansion and contraction before life could arise, or would expand so rapidly that no galaxies or stars could form."

That's just one example. The Earth is so finely balanced that to suggest that it was coincidental is not rational. And I actually agree that we aren't the only living beings on Earth. Turn on the news every day. If you were God wouldn't you cover your bets and have many Earths? We're a damn mess!



Very well thought out response. I agree with you that it is a pretty big coincidence but the question still remains. Answer me this then.

Where are these scientists explaining the chances of an all powerful being somehow coming to existence and creating everything out of thin air? You keep spouting these scientists and their explanation of the probability of life of being extremely low, but what about the explanation of the probability of an all knowing powerful being that somehow came out of nothingness and is the embodiment of everything? is this .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 to infinity chance of occurring? Where is this math? I would love to see it.

No matter what, the probability of our universe coming to existence the way we think it came to existence has a significantly better probability of occuring then a flying spaghetti man that appeared out of nowhere.

See what I did their? I can preach the same thing you have been preaching just the other way around.

 

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FWH-Techumseh posted:
Acid233 posted:
Lets see what is more plausible?

A flying spaghetti man in the sky that created everything or everything just happened by coincidence after billions of years of fucking nothingness.

Common sense dictates coincidence since their are trillions upon trillions of planets. Obviously one of these is going to harbor life. It is statistics. Not only should their be at least one intelligent species but their should be millions upon millions around the universe.

You have to extremely naive and self centered if you actually believe humans are the only intelligent species in the universe. Mathematically speaking this notion is absurdity at its finest and literally impossible to be true.



Funny you should say that. God is a mathemtician! Don't take my word for it though. How bout a High Physics Nobel Laureate, Professor Steven Weinberg.

"•writing in the journal "Scientific American", reflects on:

how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.
Although Weinberg is a self-described agnostic, he cannot but be astounded by the extent of the fine-tuning. He goes on to describe how a beryllium isotope having the minuscule half life of 0.0000000000000001 seconds must find and absorb a helium nucleus in that split of time before decaying. This occurs only because of a totally unexpected, exquisitely precise, energy match between the two nuclei. If this did not occur there would be none of the heavier elements. No carbon, no nitrogen, no life. Our universe would be composed of hydrogen and helium. But this is not the end of Professor Weinberg's wonder at our well-tuned universe. He continues:

One constant does seem to require an incredible fine-tuning -- The existence of life of any kind seems to require a cancellation between different contributions to the vacuum energy, accurate to about 120 decimal places.
This means that if the energies of the Big Bang were, in arbitrary units, not:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000,
but instead:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000001,
there would be no life of any sort in the entire universe because as Weinberg states:

the universe either would go through a complete cycle of expansion and contraction before life could arise, or would expand so rapidly that no galaxies or stars could form."

That's just one example. The Earth is so finely balanced that to suggest that it was coincidental is not rational. And I actually agree that we aren't the only living beings on Earth. Turn on the news every day. If you were God wouldn't you cover your bets and have many Earths? We're a damn mess!



Very well thought out response. I agree with you that it is a pretty big coincidence but the question still remains.

I would love for one of these scientists to explain the chances of an all powerful being somehow coming to existence and creating everything out of thin air? You keep spouting these scientists and their explanation of the probability of life of being extremely low, but what about the explanation of the probability of an all knowing powerful being that somehow came out of nothingness and is the embodiment of everything? is this .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 to infinity chance of occurring? Where is this math? I would love to see it.

No matter what, the probability of our universe coming to existence the way we think it came to existence has a significantly better probability of occuring then a flying spaghetti man that appeared out of nowhere.

See what I did their? I can preach the same thing you have been preaching just the other way around.



You're right, I don't understand why people even argue it. It's so easy to say oh, God created us. So easy to say oh, everything happens for a reason.

If we kept thinking like this, we wouldn't be where we are today.

 

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Acid233 posted:
Lets see what is more plausible?

A flying spaghetti man in the sky that created everything or everything just happened by coincidence after billions of years of fucking nothingness.

Common sense dictates coincidence since their are trillions upon trillions of planets. Obviously one of these is going to harbor life. It is statistics. Not only should their be at least one intelligent species but their should be millions upon millions around the universe.

You have to extremely naive and self centered if you actually believe humans are the only intelligent species in the universe. Mathematically speaking this notion is absurdity at its finest and literally impossible to be true.



Funny you should say that. God is a mathemtician! Don't take my word for it though. How bout a High Physics Nobel Laureate, Professor Steven Weinberg.

"•writing in the journal "Scientific American", reflects on:

how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.
Although Weinberg is a self-described agnostic, he cannot but be astounded by the extent of the fine-tuning. He goes on to describe how a beryllium isotope having the minuscule half life of 0.0000000000000001 seconds must find and absorb a helium nucleus in that split of time before decaying. This occurs only because of a totally unexpected, exquisitely precise, energy match between the two nuclei. If this did not occur there would be none of the heavier elements. No carbon, no nitrogen, no life. Our universe would be composed of hydrogen and helium. But this is not the end of Professor Weinberg's wonder at our well-tuned universe. He continues:

One constant does seem to require an incredible fine-tuning -- The existence of life of any kind seems to require a cancellation between different contributions to the vacuum energy, accurate to about 120 decimal places.
This means that if the energies of the Big Bang were, in arbitrary units, not:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000,
but instead:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000001,
there would be no life of any sort in the entire universe because as Weinberg states:

the universe either would go through a complete cycle of expansion and contraction before life could arise, or would expand so rapidly that no galaxies or stars could form."

That's just one example. The Earth is so finely balanced that to suggest that it was coincidental is not rational. And I actually agree that we aren't the only living beings on Earth. Turn on the news every day. If you were God wouldn't you cover your bets and have many Earths? We're a damn mess!



Pure win. Gonna re-read this later til I memorize it.

 

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FWH-Techumseh posted:
Acid233 posted:
Lets see what is more plausible?

A flying spaghetti man in the sky that created everything or everything just happened by coincidence after billions of years of fucking nothingness.

Common sense dictates coincidence since their are trillions upon trillions of planets. Obviously one of these is going to harbor life. It is statistics. Not only should their be at least one intelligent species but their should be millions upon millions around the universe.

You have to extremely naive and self centered if you actually believe humans are the only intelligent species in the universe. Mathematically speaking this notion is absurdity at its finest and literally impossible to be true.



Funny you should say that. God is a mathemtician! Don't take my word for it though. How bout a High Physics Nobel Laureate, Professor Steven Weinberg.

"•writing in the journal "Scientific American", reflects on:

how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.
Although Weinberg is a self-described agnostic, he cannot but be astounded by the extent of the fine-tuning. He goes on to describe how a beryllium isotope having the minuscule half life of 0.0000000000000001 seconds must find and absorb a helium nucleus in that split of time before decaying. This occurs only because of a totally unexpected, exquisitely precise, energy match between the two nuclei. If this did not occur there would be none of the heavier elements. No carbon, no nitrogen, no life. Our universe would be composed of hydrogen and helium. But this is not the end of Professor Weinberg's wonder at our well-tuned universe. He continues:

One constant does seem to require an incredible fine-tuning -- The existence of life of any kind seems to require a cancellation between different contributions to the vacuum energy, accurate to about 120 decimal places.
This means that if the energies of the Big Bang were, in arbitrary units, not:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000,
but instead:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000001,
there would be no life of any sort in the entire universe because as Weinberg states:

the universe either would go through a complete cycle of expansion and contraction before life could arise, or would expand so rapidly that no galaxies or stars could form."

That's just one example. The Earth is so finely balanced that to suggest that it was coincidental is not rational. And I actually agree that we aren't the only living beings on Earth. Turn on the news every day. If you were God wouldn't you cover your bets and have many Earths? We're a damn mess!



Pure win. Gonna re-read this later til I memorize it.


This is not a win at all. It is interesting the think about no doubt, but the probability of an all knowing God creating everything has a much lower probability of occurring then the requirement of the cancellations between different contributions to the vacuum energy. If you truthfully think that God existing has a better chance of occurring then this you need to re-evaluate your intellectual capacity.

 

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I'm glad you mentioned this. No I have not read that book, although it sounds very interesting and I'll definitely have to read up on it. Yes, science is always changing indefinitely. There is always new evidence being discovered to support theories and claims in science. As for God and Religion, there really isn't evidence being discovered that explains in basic terms "our existence".

As for time, that is a subject in itself. Time is a term we've created to explain duration in which events occur. According to Einstein's general theory of relativity, during an event horizon in space, space is basically bent. If someone were to observe the point of no return into a black hole time would literally slow down infinitely. To the observer you would see the object slowly getting closer to the black hole. It would appear this way infinitely, but in reality that object would already be broken down and gravity would have engulfed that object. Like you said, because the universe is expanding, space is expanding, and time is stretched out over an infinite number of light years. It may be impossible for us too see the creation point of the universe.

Now I don't want to dwell too far into this subject because it will lead to science fiction. If we could bend space and time ourselves then theoretically we could travel from point A to point B through a wormhole and reach the far ends of the universe.

Yes we can marvel at the wonder of the universe and study the intricate substances that make up matter. Will the beauty we see in everything around us make me question the existence of god?

Simply no. Only because I believe the idea of God is something humans created in their most primitive being to cope with our unexplainable existence.




I actually agree with you. No amount of facts or figures would change your mind. There really is no substitute for Faith. My first name is Thomas and I'm too much like the Disciple. I need the science to strengthen my faith. So to me it's comforting to see that the more we know the more that's confirmed. Granted in my eyes, not yours.

Unfortunately, Christians are to blame for people not believing in Christ than Satan. I get frustrated because they spend so much of their time locked in their elaborate, climate controlled buildings waiting for people to just show up and ask what this 'Christ thing' is all about. Most hide their children away from society either thru home schooling or Christian schools. I coach Football and Basketball. I get an opportunity to share my faith and I state up front that throughout the year that's what I'll be doing. So people can come or go as they please. You can only reach someone once they get to know you. God knows I'm not perfect. And my life is pretty messed up right now. But I still trust in Him to help me make it right.

But to get to your point about traveling bending space and time I think that is one school of thought. I have a theory about Angels. They couldn't have body's like ours and travel back and forth between Heaven and Earth thru a worm hole. They would have to be some crazy looking creatures. Hence the reason that whenever they would appear the first thing they would say would be 'Fear not!'

What if they are bound to some of the same laws of nature as we are? And what if they mastered another means of travel? The Ancient Aliens so to speak. Maybe they aren't able to visit as often because the universe is expanding and each time they would have to travel further to get here. That could explain why bad things happen I suppose.

But the bible says that God knows what we need and has it on the way so that it will always arrive on time. Scientifically, the only way He could accomplish this is He must be able to see the future. Maybe He figured out how to bend Time? I know a lot of Christians would find it sacrilege for me to suggest that maybe God has to obey the same laws of nature, space, time etc that we do. The scientist in me finds Him more intriguing if that's the case. And my faith in Him and His plan is just as strong as any others.

 

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Lets see what is more plausible?

A flying spaghetti man in the sky that created everything or everything just happened by coincidence after billions of years of fucking nothingness.

Common sense dictates coincidence since their are trillions upon trillions of planets. Obviously one of these is going to harbor life. It is statistics. Not only should their be at least one intelligent species but their should be millions upon millions around the universe.

You have to extremely naive and self centered if you actually believe humans are the only intelligent species in the universe. Mathematically speaking this notion is absurdity at its finest and literally impossible to be true.



Funny you should say that. God is a mathemtician! Don't take my word for it though. How bout a High Physics Nobel Laureate, Professor Steven Weinberg.

"•writing in the journal "Scientific American", reflects on:

how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.
Although Weinberg is a self-described agnostic, he cannot but be astounded by the extent of the fine-tuning. He goes on to describe how a beryllium isotope having the minuscule half life of 0.0000000000000001 seconds must find and absorb a helium nucleus in that split of time before decaying. This occurs only because of a totally unexpected, exquisitely precise, energy match between the two nuclei. If this did not occur there would be none of the heavier elements. No carbon, no nitrogen, no life. Our universe would be composed of hydrogen and helium. But this is not the end of Professor Weinberg's wonder at our well-tuned universe. He continues:

One constant does seem to require an incredible fine-tuning -- The existence of life of any kind seems to require a cancellation between different contributions to the vacuum energy, accurate to about 120 decimal places.
This means that if the energies of the Big Bang were, in arbitrary units, not:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000,
but instead:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000001,
there would be no life of any sort in the entire universe because as Weinberg states:

the universe either would go through a complete cycle of expansion and contraction before life could arise, or would expand so rapidly that no galaxies or stars could form."

That's just one example. The Earth is so finely balanced that to suggest that it was coincidental is not rational. And I actually agree that we aren't the only living beings on Earth. Turn on the news every day. If you were God wouldn't you cover your bets and have many Earths? We're a damn mess!



Very well thought out response. I agree with you that it is a pretty big coincidence but the question still remains. Answer me this then.

Where are these scientists explaining the chances of an all powerful being somehow coming to existence and creating everything out of thin air? You keep spouting these scientists and their explanation of the probability of life of being extremely low, but what about the explanation of the probability of an all knowing powerful being that somehow came out of nothingness and is the embodiment of everything? is this .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 to infinity chance of occurring? Where is this math? I would love to see it.

No matter what, the probability of our universe coming to existence the way we think it came to existence has a significantly better probability of occuring then a flying spaghetti man that appeared out of nowhere.

See what I did their? I can preach the same thing you have been preaching just the other way around.



There*

Who said there was no existence before -our- universe? You're being such a blockhead that you can't think outside the box in relation to the idea of infinity. Are there sentient beings beside the inhabitants of Earth? Our current knowledge it seems like it would be a rare occurrence, but very likely. Is there a creator? This is a harder question, you're not talking about our celestial peers, you're talking about something or someone that could exist outside everything we know. So lets try to be less of judgmental prick about what you will never or disprove in this lifetime.

http://htwins.net/scale2/

Check this out. You may have seen it already, but when you zoom in all the way and work your way back out, it gives you a weak idea of infinity. Our universe could be comparative to an atom in something greater. Scientists claim we don't have all the answers, I'd be surprised if we had a hundredth.

 

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I'm glad you mentioned this. No I have not read that book, although it sounds very interesting and I'll definitely have to read up on it. Yes, science is always changing indefinitely. There is always new evidence being discovered to support theories and claims in science. As for God and Religion, there really isn't evidence being discovered that explains in basic terms "our existence".

As for time, that is a subject in itself. Time is a term we've created to explain duration in which events occur. According to Einstein's general theory of relativity, during an event horizon in space, space is basically bent. If someone were to observe the point of no return into a black hole time would literally slow down infinitely. To the observer you would see the object slowly getting closer to the black hole. It would appear this way infinitely, but in reality that object would already be broken down and gravity would have engulfed that object. Like you said, because the universe is expanding, space is expanding, and time is stretched out over an infinite number of light years. It may be impossible for us too see the creation point of the universe.

Now I don't want to dwell too far into this subject because it will lead to science fiction. If we could bend space and time ourselves then theoretically we could travel from point A to point B through a wormhole and reach the far ends of the universe.

Yes we can marvel at the wonder of the universe and study the intricate substances that make up matter. Will the beauty we see in everything around us make me question the existence of god?

Simply no. Only because I believe the idea of God is something humans created in their most primitive being to cope with our unexplainable existence.




I actually agree with you. No amount of facts or figures would change your mind. There really is no substitute for Faith. My first name is Thomas and I'm too much like the Disciple. I need the science to strengthen my faith. So to me it's comforting to see that the more we know the more that's confirmed. Granted in my eyes, not yours.

Unfortunately, Christians are to blame for people not believing in Christ than Satan. I get frustrated because they spend so much of their time locked in their elaborate, climate controlled buildings waiting for people to just show up and ask what this 'Christ thing' is all about. Most hide their children away from society either thru home schooling or Christian schools. I coach Football and Basketball. I get an opportunity to share my faith and I state up front that throughout the year that's what I'll be doing. So people can come or go as they please. You can only reach someone once they get to know you. God knows I'm not perfect. And my life is pretty messed up right now. But I still trust in Him to help me make it right.

But to get to your point about traveling bending space and time I think that is one school of thought. I have a theory about Angels. They couldn't have body's like ours and travel back and forth between Heaven and Earth thru a worm hole. They would have to be some crazy looking creatures. Hence the reason that whenever they would appear the first thing they would say would be 'Fear not!'

What if they are bound to some of the same laws of nature as we are? And what if they mastered another means of travel? The Ancient Aliens so to speak. Maybe they aren't able to visit as often because the universe is expanding and each time they would have to travel further to get here. That could explain why bad things happen I suppose.

But the bible says that God knows what we need and has it on the way so that it will always arrive on time. Scientifically, the only way He could accomplish this is He must be able to see the future. Maybe He figured out how to bend Time? I know a lot of Christians would find it sacrilege for me to suggest that maybe God has to obey the same laws of nature, space, time etc that we do. The scientist in me finds Him more intriguing if that's the case. And my faith in Him and His plan is just as strong as any others.


It's not that no amount of facts or figures would change my mind. My point was that there are no facts or figures to change my mind. Space is real, gravity is real, everything in the cosmos is physically real. Angels, gods, and just about everything in the bible isn't physically real.

There is no room to grow with religion. Humans have a short life span, why wait for god.

 

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[quote=Acid233] Lets see what is more plausible?

A flying spaghetti man in the sky that created everything or everything just happened by coincidence after billions of years of fucking nothingness.

Common sense dictates coincidence since their are trillions upon trillions of planets. Obviously one of these is going to harbor life. It is statistics. Not only should their be at least one intelligent species but their should be millions upon millions around the universe.

You have to extremely naive and self centered if you actually believe humans are the only intelligent species in the universe. Mathematically speaking this notion is absurdity at its finest and literally impossible to be true.



Funny you should say that. God is a mathemtician! Don't take my word for it though. How bout a High Physics Nobel Laureate, Professor Steven Weinberg.

"•writing in the journal "Scientific American", reflects on:

how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.
Although Weinberg is a self-described agnostic, he cannot but be astounded by the extent of the fine-tuning. He goes on to describe how a beryllium isotope having the minuscule half life of 0.0000000000000001 seconds must find and absorb a helium nucleus in that split of time before decaying. This occurs only because of a totally unexpected, exquisitely precise, energy match between the two nuclei. If this did not occur there would be none of the heavier elements. No carbon, no nitrogen, no life. Our universe would be composed of hydrogen and helium. But this is not the end of Professor Weinberg's wonder at our well-tuned universe. He continues:

One constant does seem to require an incredible fine-tuning -- The existence of life of any kind seems to require a cancellation between different contributions to the vacuum energy, accurate to about 120 decimal places.
This means that if the energies of the Big Bang were, in arbitrary units, not:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000,
but instead:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000001,
there would be no life of any sort in the entire universe because as Weinberg states:

the universe either would go through a complete cycle of expansion and contraction before life could arise, or would expand so rapidly that no galaxies or stars could form."

That's just one example. The Earth is so finely balanced that to suggest that it was coincidental is not rational. And I actually agree that we aren't the only living beings on Earth. Turn on the news every day. If you were God wouldn't you cover your bets and have many Earths? We're a damn mess!



Very well thought out response. I agree with you that it is a pretty big coincidence but the question still remains. Answer me this then.

Where are these scientists explaining the chances of an all powerful being somehow coming to existence and creating everything out of thin air? You keep spouting these scientists and their explanation of the probability of life of being extremely low, but what about the explanation of the probability of an all knowing powerful being that somehow came out of nothingness and is the embodiment of everything? is this .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 to infinity chance of occurring? Where is this math? I would love to see it.

No matter what, the probability of our universe coming to existence the way we think it came to existence has a significantly better probability of occuring then a flying spaghetti man that appeared out of nowhere.

See what I did their? I can preach the same thing you have been preaching just the other way around.



There*

Who said there was no existence before -our- universe? You're being such a blockhead that you can't think outside the box in relation to the idea of infinity. Are there sentient beings beside the inhabitants of Earth? Our current knowledge it seems like it would be a rare occurrence, but very likely. Is there a creator? This is a harder question, you're not talking about our celestial peers, you're talking about something or someone that could exist outside everything we know. So lets try to be less of judgmental prick about what you will never or disprove in this lifetime.

http://htwins.net/scale2/

Check this out. You may have seen it already, but when you zoom in all the way and work your way back out, it gives you a weak idea of infinity. Our universe could be comparative to an atom in something greater. Scientists claim we don't have all the answers, I'd be surprised if we had a hundredth. [/quote]

Do you realize how hypocritical this statement is?

I never said I can disprove the notion of God existing but I also know I can never prove it just like you can't prove it as well.

How was I being a judgmental prick? I was merely stating the same basic things you were stating but in a different way to demonstrate how absurd you sounded. If I am a judgmental prick then you sir are one as well. The truth is simple. We both have no clue how we came to be and will most likely never know.

 

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I'm glad you mentioned this. No I have not read that book, although it sounds very interesting and I'll definitely have to read up on it. Yes, science is always changing indefinitely. There is always new evidence being discovered to support theories and claims in science. As for God and Religion, there really isn't evidence being discovered that explains in basic terms "our existence".

As for time, that is a subject in itself. Time is a term we've created to explain duration in which events occur. According to Einstein's general theory of relativity, during an event horizon in space, space is basically bent. If someone were to observe the point of no return into a black hole time would literally slow down infinitely. To the observer you would see the object slowly getting closer to the black hole. It would appear this way infinitely, but in reality that object would already be broken down and gravity would have engulfed that object. Like you said, because the universe is expanding, space is expanding, and time is stretched out over an infinite number of light years. It may be impossible for us too see the creation point of the universe.

1.Now I don't want to dwell too far into this subject because it will lead to science fiction. If we could bend space and time ourselves then theoretically we could travel from point A to point B through a wormhole and reach the far ends of the universe.

Yes we can marvel at the wonder of the universe and study the intricate substances that make up matter. Will the beauty we see in everything around us make me question the existence of god?

Simply no. Only because I believe the idea of God is something humans created in their most primitive being to cope with our unexplainable existence.




I actually agree with you. No amount of facts or figures would change your mind. There really is no substitute for Faith. My first name is Thomas and I'm too much like the Disciple. 2. I need the science to strengthen my faith. So to me it's comforting to see that the more we know the more that's confirmed. Granted in my eyes, not yours.

3. Unfortunately, Christians are to blame for people not believing in Christ than Satan. 4.I get frustrated because they spend so much of their time locked in their elaborate, climate controlled buildings waiting for people to just show up and ask what this 'Christ thing' is all about. Most hide their children away from society either thru home schooling or Christian schools. I coach Football and Basketball. I get an opportunity to share my faith and I state up front that throughout the year that's what I'll be doing. So people can come or go as they please. You can only reach someone once they get to know you. God knows I'm not perfect. And my life is pretty messed up right now. 5. But I still trust in Him to help me make it right.

6. But to get to your point about traveling bending space and time I think that is one school of thought. I have a theory about Angels. They couldn't have body's like ours and travel back and forth between Heaven and Earth thru a worm hole. They would have to be some crazy looking creatures. Hence the reason that whenever they would appear the first thing they would say would be 'Fear not!'


What if they are bound to some of the same laws of nature as we are? And what if they mastered another means of travel? The Ancient Aliens so to speak. Maybe they aren't able to visit as often because the universe is expanding and each time they would have to travel further to get here. That could explain why bad things happen I suppose.

7. But the bible says that God knows what we need and has it on the way so that it will always arrive on time. Scientifically, the only way He could accomplish this is He must be able to see the future. Maybe He figured out how to bend Time? I know a lot of Christians would find it sacrilege for me to suggest that maybe God has to obey the same laws of nature, space, time etc that we do. The scientist in me finds Him more intriguing if that's the case. And my faith in Him and His plan is just as strong as any others.


1. Orson Scott Card
2.It's not faith if you have evidence to back it up.. That's not an opinion, it's just the way it is..
3.There has been atheism as long as there has been theism. Don't take credit where you don't deserve it..
4. There is actually a movement in the Catholic religion to evangelize the word of god.. I know, because my mom's part of it.. It's annoying and always comes off as an underhanded slap in the face..
5.I love how people always split up the credit that they deserve wholly with God.. it always seems humorous to me.
6. lolol.. wow
7.You're not a scientist.. not even close.. a scientist uses objective evidence to come to an unbiased determination.. I can tell by this small entry that all your realizations are tainted.. good fight, bro

 

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If you believe in christian values that is one thing, if you believe there is a god who has a plan for you that is another.

There are an estimated 200 billion stars in our galaxy alone. There are an estimated 100 billion galaxies in the known universe. That leaves to speculation of how many stars there are in the known universe at around 100 sextillion stars (that is a trillion billion stars).

The Hubble Telescope suggests that there are more stars in the known universe than there are grains of sand on every beach on earth.

I ruled out god as the creator/regulator/ruler of the universe a long time ago. I have faith in myself and the choices I make.


Ref your pic:

Have you ever heard of the book Science of God by Gerald Schroeder? It may not have any influence on you but I bet it would make you think twice about your theory on whether or not God exists. Thoughts of the Universe and creation have changed many times. Hell, until 1959 scientists believed the universe was finite and eternal. Since then they've discovered that it indeed had a beginning (creation) and that it continues to expand. Many cultures believe it began somewhere

Since the universe is expanding, a day at the exact point of creation would be millions of years from Earth. Several days would be billions of years later. Even Battlestar Galactica mentioned that concept in season 4; last episode. Einstein (an atheist) taught the world that time is relative. That in regions of high velocity or high gravity time actually passes more slowly relative to regions of lower gravity or lower velocity. (One system relative to another, hence the name, the laws of relativity.) This is now proven fact. Time actually stretches out. Were ever you are time is normal for you because your biology is part of that local system.

As for the notion that life on earth was just a lucky coincidence check out what Stephen Hawkin says:

"The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers (i.e. the constants of physics) seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life". "For example," Hawking writes, "if the electric charge of the electron had been only slightly different, stars would have been unable to burn hydrogen and helium, or else they would not have exploded. It seems clear that there are relatively few ranges of values for the numbers (for the constants) that would allow for development of any form of intelligent life. Most sets of values would give rise to universes that, although they might be very beautiful, would contain no one able to wonder at that beauty."




Lets see what is more plausible?

A flying spaghetti man in the sky that created everything or everything just happened by coincidence after billions of years of fucking nothingness.

Common sense dictates coincidence since their are trillions upon trillions of planets. Obviously one of these is going to harbor life. It is statistics. Not only should their be at least one intelligent species but their should be millions upon millions around the universe.

You have to extremely naive and self centered if you actually believe humans are the only intelligent species in the universe. Mathematically speaking this notion is absurdity at its finest and literally impossible to be true.




Like one of you said, some of the most mathematical and smartest people in history have faith in a higher being.

Sadly, all of you aren't making up any new arguments. Everyone, mostly double A spout shit they read on an atheist message board or heard in church. Maybe you all should think for yourselves.

 

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If you believe in christian values that is one thing, if you believe there is a god who has a plan for you that is another.

There are an estimated 200 billion stars in our galaxy alone. There are an estimated 100 billion galaxies in the known universe. That leaves to speculation of how many stars there are in the known universe at around 100 sextillion stars (that is a trillion billion stars).

The Hubble Telescope suggests that there are more stars in the known universe than there are grains of sand on every beach on earth.

I ruled out god as the creator/regulator/ruler of the universe a long time ago. I have faith in myself and the choices I make.


Ref your pic:

Have you ever heard of the book Science of God by Gerald Schroeder? It may not have any influence on you but I bet it would make you think twice about your theory on whether or not God exists. Thoughts of the Universe and creation have changed many times. Hell, until 1959 scientists believed the universe was finite and eternal. Since then they've discovered that it indeed had a beginning (creation) and that it continues to expand. Many cultures believe it began somewhere

Since the universe is expanding, a day at the exact point of creation would be millions of years from Earth. Several days would be billions of years later. Even Battlestar Galactica mentioned that concept in season 4; last episode. Einstein (an atheist) taught the world that time is relative. That in regions of high velocity or high gravity time actually passes more slowly relative to regions of lower gravity or lower velocity. (One system relative to another, hence the name, the laws of relativity.) This is now proven fact. Time actually stretches out. Were ever you are time is normal for you because your biology is part of that local system.

As for the notion that life on earth was just a lucky coincidence check out what Stephen Hawkin says:

"The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers (i.e. the constants of physics) seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life". "For example," Hawking writes, "if the electric charge of the electron had been only slightly different, stars would have been unable to burn hydrogen and helium, or else they would not have exploded. It seems clear that there are relatively few ranges of values for the numbers (for the constants) that would allow for development of any form of intelligent life. Most sets of values would give rise to universes that, although they might be very beautiful, would contain no one able to wonder at that beauty."




Lets see what is more plausible?

A flying spaghetti man in the sky that created everything or everything just happened by coincidence after billions of years of fucking nothingness.

Common sense dictates coincidence since their are trillions upon trillions of planets. Obviously one of these is going to harbor life. It is statistics. Not only should their be at least one intelligent species but their should be millions upon millions around the universe.

You have to extremely naive and self centered if you actually believe humans are the only intelligent species in the universe. Mathematically speaking this notion is absurdity at its finest and literally impossible to be true.




Like one of you said, some of the most mathematical and smartest people in history have faith in a higher being.

Sadly, all of you aren't making up any new arguments. Everyone, mostly double A spout shit they read on an atheist message board or heard in church. Maybe you all should think for yourselves.[/quote]

This wasn't an argument to begin with.

 

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Anyone who claims to know 100% one way or another is stupid in the head.
I think anyone who claims that coffee does not taste like barbecue sauce is stupid in the head..

 

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How was I being a judgmental prick? I was merely stating the same basic things you were stating but in a different way to demonstrate how absurd you sounded. If I am a judgmental prick then you sir are one as well. The truth is simple. We both have no clue how we came to be and will most likely never know.


Ah you were pointing out how absurd I sounded? I wasn't the one making the replies which you quoted.

It shouldn't be hard to respect a man who is attempting to have a civil discussion, and say 'your hypothetical god' instead of a passe dork-term like 'flying spaghetti monster'. Take the high road and argue on his level if hes trying to have a legitimate discussion rather than the typical hurdur forum fare.

In short no problem with the message, just the delivery.


 

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How was I being a judgmental prick? I was merely stating the same basic things you were stating but in a different way to demonstrate how absurd you sounded. If I am a judgmental prick then you sir are one as well. The truth is simple. We both have no clue how we came to be and will most likely never know.


Ah you were pointing out how absurd I sounded? I wasn't the one making the replies which you quoted.

It shouldn't be hard to respect a man who is attempting to have a civil discussion, and say 'your hypothetical god' instead of a passe dork-term like 'flying spaghetti monster'. Take the high road and argue on his level if hes trying to have a legitimate discussion rather than the typical hurdur forum fare.





Listen up guy, I took some law classes. You are wrong.

 

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Acid233 posted:


How was I being a judgmental prick? I was merely stating the same basic things you were stating but in a different way to demonstrate how absurd you sounded. If I am a judgmental prick then you sir are one as well. The truth is simple. We both have no clue how we came to be and will most likely never know.


Ah you were pointing out how absurd I sounded? I wasn't the one making the replies which you quoted.

It shouldn't be hard to respect a man who is attempting to have a civil discussion, and say 'your hypothetical god' instead of a passe dork-term like 'flying spaghetti monster'. Take the high road and argue on his level if hes trying to have a legitimate discussion rather than the typical hurdur forum fare.

In short no problem with the message, just the delivery.



couldnt even finish reading Krugwolf's message.. Possible reasons.. 1.) it's chalk-full of tom-douchery
2.) I'm high as fuck
3.) I'm high as fuck
4.) I'm high as fuck
5.) I'm high as fuck
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Krugwulf posted:
Acid233 posted:


How was I being a judgmental prick? I was merely stating the same basic things you were stating but in a different way to demonstrate how absurd you sounded. If I am a judgmental prick then you sir are one as well. The truth is simple. We both have no clue how we came to be and will most likely never know.


Ah you were pointing out how absurd I sounded? I wasn't the one making the replies which you quoted.

It shouldn't be hard to respect a man who is attempting to have a civil discussion, and say 'your hypothetical god' instead of a passe dork-term like 'flying spaghetti monster'. Take the high road and argue on his level if hes trying to have a legitimate discussion rather than the typical hurdur forum fare.

In short no problem with the message, just the delivery.



couldnt even finish reading Krugwolf's message.. Possible reasons.. 1.) it's chalk-full of tom-douchery
2.) I'm high as fuck
3.) I'm high as fuck
4.) I'm high as fuck
5.) I'm high as fuck
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Only a 20% chance I'm a douche? Seems too low.

 

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According to Viking mythology, eclipses occur when two wolves, Skoll and Hati, catch the sun or moon. At the onset of an eclipse people would make lots of noise, hoping to scare the wolves away. After some time, people must have noticed that the eclipses ended regardless of whether they ran around banging on pots.

Ignorance of nature's ways led people in ancient times to postulate many myths in an effort to make sense of their world. But eventually, people turned to philosophy, that is, to the use of reason—with a good dose of intuition—to decipher their universe. Today we use reason, mathematics and experimental test—in other words, modern science.

Albert Einstein said, "The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible." He meant that, unlike our homes on a bad day, the universe is not just a conglomeration of objects each going its own way. Everything in the universe follows laws, without exception.

Newton believed that our strangely habitable solar system did not "arise out of chaos by the mere laws of nature." Instead, he maintained that the order in the universe was "created by God at first and conserved by him to this Day in the same state and condition." The discovery recently of the extreme fine-tuning of so many laws of nature could lead some back to the idea that this grand design is the work of some grand Designer. Yet the latest advances in cosmology explain why the laws of the universe seem tailor-made for humans, without the need for a benevolent creator.

Many improbable occurrences conspired to create Earth's human-friendly design, and they would indeed be puzzling if ours were the only solar system in the universe. But today we know of hundreds of other solar systems, and few doubt that there exist countless more among the billions of stars in our galaxy. Planets of all sorts exist, and obviously, when the beings on a planet that supports life examine the world around them, they are bound to find that their environment satisfies the conditions they require to exist.

It is possible to turn that last statement into a scientific principle: The fact of our being restricts the characteristics of the kind of environment in which we find ourselves. For example, if we did not know the distance from the Earth to the sun, the fact that beings like us exist would allow us to put bounds on how small or great the Earth-sun separation could be. We need liquid water to exist, and if the Earth were too close, it would all boil off; if it were too far, it would freeze. That principle is called the "weak" anthropic principle.

The weak anthropic principle is not very controversial. But there is a stronger form that is regarded with disdain among some physicists. The strong anthropic principle suggests that the fact that we exist imposes constraints, not just on our environment, but on the possible form and content of the laws of nature themselves.

The idea arose because it is not only the peculiar characteristics of our solar system that seem oddly conducive to the development of human life, but also the characteristics of our entire universe—and its laws. They appear to have a design that is both tailor-made to support us and, if we are to exist, leaves little room for alteration. That is much more difficult to explain.

The tale of how the primordial universe of hydrogen, helium and a bit of lithium evolved to a universe harboring at least one world with intelligent life like us is a tale of many chapters. The forces of nature had to be such that heavier elements—especially carbon—could be produced from the primordial elements, and remain stable for at least billions of years. Those heavy elements were formed in the furnaces we call stars, so the forces first had to allow stars and galaxies to form. Those in turn grew from the seeds of tiny inhomogeneities in the early universe.

Even all that is not enough: The dynamics of the stars had to be such that some would eventually explode, precisely in a way that could disperse the heavier elements through space. In addition, the laws of nature had to dictate that those remnants could recondense into a new generation of stars, these surrounded by planets incorporating the newly formed heavy elements.

By examining the model universes we generate when the theories of physics are altered in certain ways, one can study the effect of changes to physical law in a methodical manner. Such calculations show that a change of as little as 0.5% in the strength of the strong nuclear force, or 4% in the electric force, would destroy either nearly all carbon or all oxygen in every star, and hence the possibility of life as we know it. Also, most of the fundamental constants appearing in our theories appear fine-tuned in the sense that if they were altered by only modest amounts, the universe would be qualitatively different, and in many cases unsuitable for the development of life. For example, if protons were 0.2% heavier, they would decay into neutrons, destabilizing atoms.

If one assumes that a few hundred million years in stable orbit is necessary for planetary life to evolve, the number of space dimensions is also fixed by our existence. That is because, according to the laws of gravity, it is only in three dimensions that stable elliptical orbits are possible. In any but three dimensions even a small disturbance, such as that produced by the pull of the other planets, would send a planet off its circular orbit, and cause it to spiral either into or away from the sun.

The emergence of the complex structures capable of supporting intelligent observers seems to be very fragile. The laws of nature form a system that is extremely fine-tuned. What can we make of these coincidences? Luck in the precise form and nature of fundamental physical law is a different kind of luck from the luck we find in environmental factors. It raises the natural question of why it is that way.

Many people would like us to use these coincidences as evidence of the work of God. The idea that the universe was designed to accommodate mankind appears in theologies and mythologies dating from thousands of years ago. In Western culture the Old Testament contains the idea of providential design, but the traditional Christian viewpoint was also greatly influenced by Aristotle, who believed "in an intelligent natural world that functions according to some deliberate design."

That is not the answer of modern science. As recent advances in cosmology suggest, the laws of gravity and quantum theory allow universes to appear spontaneously from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.

Our universe seems to be one of many, each with different laws. That multiverse idea is not a notion invented to account for the miracle of fine tuning. It is a consequence predicted by many theories in modern cosmology. If it is true it reduces the strong anthropic principle to the weak one, putting the fine tunings of physical law on the same footing as the environmental factors, for it means that our cosmic habitat—now the entire observable universe—is just one of many.

Each universe has many possible histories and many possible states. Only a very few would allow creatures like us to exist. Although we are puny and insignificant on the scale of the cosmos, this makes us in a sense the lords of creation.

 

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if God is everywhere.. nevermind.. too easy


God is everywhere. Quantum science has officially proved that everything is a trio of consciousness, energy and matter. You will have to go back to the 18th century to find evidence that supports materialistic atheism. Modern science endorses notions of multidimensionality and conscious responses from apparently "inanimate" objects. Research the observer effect.

 

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if God is everywhere.. nevermind.. too easy


God is everywhere. Quantum science has officially proved that everything is a trio of consciousness, energy and matter. You will have to go back to the 18th century to find evidence that supports materialistic atheism. Modern science endorses notions of multidimensionality and conscious responses from apparently "inanimate" objects. Research the observer effect.


Did you learn that in law class too you stupid faggot?

In search of proof of your idiotic claims.

 

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It's called Free Will for a reason.

 

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Lots of morons on this thread

 

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Did you learn that in law class too you stupid faggot?

In search of proof of your idiotic claims.


Still high from that one quip you finally got in after all these months?

Look up the observer effect on Wikipedia.

 

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We created poverty, famine, and injustice. Not god's job to clean up our messes. Free will my friend.


We did? Shit, my bad. You would think that say, famine, would be caused by finite resources and other conditions (droughts) and things like that beyond our control.

We can adapt to our environment, but we didn't make it. We can't modify physical laws to have, say, everlasting sources of food and wealth so that there is no poverty or famine. You can blame people for not adapting in a way that isn't perfect, but I think that's condescending and irrational.


Overpopulation is not our fault? Did you think at all before you typed?


I like how you think there's 1 cause of famine, and that is 'overpopulation.' (Never mind that you are 100% wrong.)

Didn't your God say something about being fruitful and multiplying?

 

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[quote=0-0-0-0-ppooo]We created poverty, famine, and injustice. Not god's job to clean up our messes. Free will my friend.


We did? Shit, my bad. You would think that say, famine, would be caused by finite resources and other conditions (droughts) and things like that beyond our control.

We can adapt to our environment, but we didn't make it. We can't modify physical laws to have, say, everlasting sources of food and wealth so that there is no poverty or famine. You can blame people for not adapting in a way that isn't perfect, but I think that's condescending and irrational.


Overpopulation is not our fault? Did you think at all before you typed?


I like how you think there's 1 cause of famine, and that is 'overpopulation.' (Never mind that you are 100% wrong.)

Didn't your God say something about being fruitful and multiplying?[/quote]


Herp deep but not have 12 children you can't afford Chinese derps

 

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Xexy, why don't you make all sociopathic killers not kill others


I could do it in a billion of a million of one second, but instead I'll ask you why you don't do it???

 

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Xexy, why don't you make all sociopathic killers not kill others


I could do it in a billion of a million of one second, but instead I'll ask you why you don't do it???


Sigh, you obviously haven't taken any law classes.

 

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that's right, I forgot god is bound by laws

 

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Did you know....



god could create free will and eliminate all evil?

 

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Double A are you an atheist?

 

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Double A are you an atheist?


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if God is everywhere.. nevermind.. too easy


God is everywhere. Quantum science has officially proved that everything is a trio of consciousness, energy and matter. You will have to go back to the 18th century to find evidence that supports materialistic atheism. Modern science endorses notions of multidimensionality and conscious responses from apparently "inanimate" objects. Research the observer effect.
so God is in my anus?.. please get him out..

 

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only you can know if you're doing this, but if you are taking this time to come up with a witty response, it's a wasted effort..

 

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so God is in my anus?.. please get him out..


You may wish to humorize the subject but it only serves to further distort your perception of reality. If you want to make jokes then it is better to visit a comedy club or go look at the millions of youtube videos out there, that is a better place for it.

It's a serious thing worth examining. If different scientific results appear based purely on the observer, then this indicates a conscious reaction between what is observed and the observer. Furthermore, that is very interesting because the materialistic science has determined that life depends on certain activities, thus we label something as being dead if it is "inert". Yet quantum science is indicating that it is actually interacting with the observer.

I'm more prone to say at this point, everything is alive, rather than stating, some things are alive and others are "dead", or "non living". Things just appear to be at different stages of life.

 

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so God is in my anus?.. please get him out..


You may wish to humorize the subject but it only serves to further distort your perception of reality. If you want to make jokes then it is better to visit a comedy club or go look at the millions of youtube videos out there, that is a better place for it.

It's a serious thing worth examining. If different scientific results appear based purely on the observer, then this indicates a conscious reaction between what is observed and the observer. Furthermore, that is very interesting because the materialistic science has determined that life depends on certain activities, thus we label something as being dead if it is "inert". Yet quantum science is indicating that it is actually interacting with the observer.

I'm more prone to say at this point, everything is alive, rather than stating, some things are alive and others are "dead", or "non living". Things just appear to be at different stages of life.
methinks I can feel him inside of me.. it's not a terrible feeling.. semen

 

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Did you learn that in law class too you stupid faggot?

In search of proof of your idiotic claims.


Still high from that one quip you finally got in after all these months?

Look up the observer effect on Wikipedia.


Bro, I shit on you so hard all that time that you went full retard mode which I didn't think possible because you've always been such a massive retard.

Anyways, please kill yourself at the end of April as promised.

 

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We created poverty, famine, and injustice. Not god's job to clean up our messes. Free will my friend.

 

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wot if God was one of us...

 

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Double A are you an atheist?


some may think "AA" stands for "the amazing atheist" but AA has never had a banana anywhere near his ass chocolate covered or chiqita

"AA" actually stands for "arch angel"

i read about these dudes in the bible. the normal angels follow orders but the arch angels give god advice on how to run his shit better

and its a good thing they do cuz otherwise the universe could have broken down a long ass time ago laugh

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god gave man freewill .god does not control every event on earth why would he?

 

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god could create free will and eliminate all evil?



if you had read some scripture you would know this was his intention.but eve was tempted in the garden and ate the fruit from the tree of good and evil so they were cast out and made to fend for themselves.

this was also his intention when he saw the world was full of evil and flooded the earth.

 

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God sounds like a fucking asshole. He can suck a cock.

 

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when i was a child i can remember being in a state of near shock when my parent told me that i would die someday.i was not scared of death but i just had a feeling that we were meant to live forever.basicly this life, this dimension to me is a test to see if i am worthy of greater gifts than the ones i have now.this world this life are not meant to be perfect they are meant to test us our souls. this is my opinion.

 

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Do you remember anything before you were born?

I'm guessing that's what it's going to be like when you die. Do all living things have souls? Do souls even exist?

Probably not.

 

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God created attractive women.
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Do you remember anything before you were born?

I'm guessing that's what it's going to be like when you die. Do all living things have souls? Do souls even exist?

Probably not.


Scientists have produced sperm cells. They can also produce egg cells. They have been unable to produce children however, using the sperm and egg cells that they make. Unless they use stem cells, of course. Explain that one?

 

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Do you remember anything before you were born?

I'm guessing that's what it's going to be like when you die. Do all living things have souls? Do souls even exist?

Probably not.


It was just this time last year that scientists produced a sperm cell. They can also produce egg cells. They have been unable to produce children however, using the sperm and egg cells that they make. Explain that one?


did they put the sperm and egg together? what happened when they did? damn i hope they arent making like mutant babies and shit i seen the other day how they selling those mutant dna tomatoes from monsanto at wal-mart

 

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i actually do have some memories that i consider preconception but i cannot be 100 percent sure.the one that sticks out most to me was being in a room if you wanna call it a room of pure color but everything was changing colors extremly fast like being in a room created out of multi colored lightning bolts and there was one figure there no features just extremities that seemed to change with the room.

 

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i was a sperm experiment, they hatched me from a bagel egg

 

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Do you remember anything before you were born?

I'm guessing that's what it's going to be like when you die. Do all living things have souls? Do souls even exist?

Probably not.


Scientists have produced sperm cells. They can also produce egg cells. They have been unable to produce children however, using the sperm and egg cells that they make. Unless they use stem cells, of course. Explain that one?



Explain what exactly?

They use germ cells to produce these sperm cells. The same cells used for sperm production in the testicles.

What's your point? what does that have to do with what I was talking about. This helps infertile men have children.

 

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this is how aliens formed from germ cells on other planets then they enslaved monkeys and planet of the apes movie was based on it, but they told our kings/leaders/presidents/princess diana's/mother teressas to keep this on the downlow so civilians wont panic about aliens controlling us, also conspiracy theory movie title was based on this, but the movie has nothing to do with it

 

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i actually do have some memories that i consider preconception but i cannot be 100 percent sure.the one that sticks out most to me was being in a room if you wanna call it a room of pure color but everything was changing colors extremly fast like being in a room created out of multi colored lightning bolts and there was one figure there no features just extremities that seemed to change with the room.


What?

You need to stop smoking weed.

 

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Do you remember anything before you were born?

I'm guessing that's what it's going to be like when you die. Do all living things have souls? Do souls even exist?

Probably not.


Scientists have produced sperm cells. They can also produce egg cells. They have been unable to produce children however, using the sperm and egg cells that they make. Unless they use stem cells, of course. Explain that one?



Explain what exactly?

They use germ cells to produce these sperm cells. The same cells used for sperm production in the testicles.

What's your point? what does that have to do with what I was talking about. This helps infertile men have children.


he's saying the soul is what helps the kids get born I think

it might be true cuz they tried to make some mice by putting some mice germ cells together but the mice turned into retard mice

its like without a soul they were dumb and deformed

 

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iso a soul paying mmds

 

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I can assure you that souls have nothing to do with those sperm.

Weed.

 

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you know if you break down the human body after death to all its basic components there is 1 percent missing that cannot be explained.

 

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you know if you break down the human body after death to all its basic components there is 1 percent missing that cannot be explained.


Oh it must be a soul. Right?

Iso proof. I took some law classes. Need some proof here.

 

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ive seen more soul in a fried chicken

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you know if you break down the human body after death to all its basic components there is 1 percent missing that cannot be explained.


Oh it must be a soul. Right?

Iso proof. I took some law classes. Need some proof here.




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Snackpack: First, my apologies for the delayed response. I was enjoying a good evening and dinner with a beautiful woman and that was far more interesting than debating you Godless sonsabitches happy
1.Now I don't want to dwell too far into this subject because it will lead to science fiction. If we could bend space and time ourselves then theoretically we could travel from point A to point B through a wormhole and reach the far ends of the universe.
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1. Orson Scott Card.

Haven't read Ender's game; I'll most likely wait for the movie. Don't really know much about him but I don't believe you can earn your way into heaven. But it's not my place to tell them how to live their lives for Him.

2. I need the science to strengthen my faith. So to me it's comforting to see that the more we know the more that's confirmed. Granted in my eyes, not yours.
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2.It's not faith if you have evidence to back it up.. That's not an opinion, it's just the way it is..

Good point. I didn't become a Christian because of any evidence or facts. It was actually in spite of all the facts and evidence that we knew in the 1980s. I just knew He was real. Like the wind, I couldn't see Him. I felt Him draw me to Himself. I can see the evidence of it in my life. So why would I need facts and figures to confirm it? Because walking as a Christian is HAM in this world. Paul (obviously my favorite Apostle) said we all have to 'work out our own Salvation.' That's how I prefer to work out mine. I remind my players and my kids all the time. That I know God exists because he answers prayer.

There are so many occurrences that I can point to as evidence but I'll spare you all but one. My first born son didn't make it. On delivery day (May 26th, 1986) he had the cord wrapped around his neck. The doctors didn't catch it and he didn't make it. While I was on my knees crying my eyes out I suddenly felt a peace. And yeah, you can't put that in a test tube or see it with any electronic device. I can only explain that it was real to me. My Pastor was there and he saw me calm myself then say out loud 'I still trust you Lord.' We had three beautiful daughters and despite the jokes from my brother in laws (that I wasn't man enough to father a boy) Elijah (Hotamitaneo in game) was due on May 26th 12 years later. Sure, it could have been coincidence. But like the discoveries in science that confirm many of the statements in the bible it was a mile stone for me. A way for me to look back and see that I'm on the right track. And it's a subtle way for God to whisper 'I'm here.'

3. Unfortunately, Christians are to blame for people not believing in Christ than Satan.
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- 3.There has been atheism as long as there has been theism. Don't take credit where you don't deserve it..

I agree with you. There were cavemen, Cro Magnon, Neanderthal, etc before Adam came along. I don't have a problem with Darwin whom most people don't realize believed in a Creator.
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There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved." ~Darwin

The bible never said there was not a species of homo sapien before Adam. Without a species of man then how else can Cain's wife be explained? Seven centuries before Darwin came along and long before people were interested enough to study fossils and discover the existence of cavemen a Jewish Philosopher, Moses Maimonides, wrote about a species considered to be masters of the field that Adam had dominion over. A species of homo sapiens that could farm but lacked the 'Neshama' to be like Adam. Neshama being the breath of God; we call it the soul or the spirit. When God breathed that life into Adam then he became different. Probably more self aware and able to think of more than just what he would eat or drink that day.
But to your point, I think religious Christians give the true Message of Jesus coming to die for us a bad rap. None of you are going to decide to become a Christian based on scientific discoveries or archaeology. Hell, I could probably dig up the Ark of the covenant in your back yard and most of the people here would still not be convinced that there really is a Creator God. That only happens when someone sees how He has changed someone's life. And then want that for themselves.

4.I get frustrated because they spend so much of their time locked in their elaborate, climate controlled buildings waiting for people to just show up and ask what this 'Christ thing' is all about. Most hide their children away from society either thru home schooling or Christian schools. I coach Football and Basketball. I get an opportunity to share my faith and I state up front that throughout the year that's what I'll be doing. So people can come or go as they please. You can only reach someone once they get to know you. God knows I'm not perfect. And my life is pretty messed up right now.
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- 4. There is actually a movement in the Catholic religion to evangelize the word of god.. I know, because my mom's part of it.. It's annoying and always comes off as an underhanded slap in the face..

The worst thing that happened to the Christian faith was when it was adopted by Rome. Then it became a religion. And I doubt that any division (Catholic or Protestant) is more right or on target than the other. Growing up a Catholic I can imagine you had your fill of guilt. Well, I think Southern Baptists could give you a run for your money as far as using it to try to persuade you to live a Christ like life. When the simple answer is Love.

5. But I still trust in Him to help me make it right.
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- 5.I love how people always split up the credit that they deserve wholly with God.. it always seems humorous to me.

All I can say about that is that the more I try to take control and run things myself the more I screw it up. It's when I allow Him to guide me and run the show that things go great. But, mankind is a prideful, stubborn bunch. We always think we can take care of ourselves. Granted, that's something you'd have to experience for yourself to believe in.

6. But to get to your point about traveling bending space and time I think that is one school of thought. I have a theory about Angels. They couldn't have body's like ours and travel back and forth between Heaven and Earth thru a worm hole. They would have to be some crazy looking creatures. Hence the reason that whenever they would appear the first thing they would say would be 'Fear not!' What if they are bound to some of the same laws of nature as we are? And what if they mastered another means of travel? The Ancient Aliens so to speak. Maybe they aren't able to visit as often because the universe is expanding and each time they would have to travel further to get here. That could explain why bad things happen I suppose.
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6. lolol.. wow


I know, I know... I guess you can say that I'm an out-of-the-box thinker tongue Just for curiosity’s sake, you should check out a book called 'Fallen Angels' by Elizabeth Clare Prophet; a great study on the book of Enoch. (Which in my mind was wrongly excluded; especially since Jesus and the Apostles referred to some of the text) Even if you don't believe and are a SciFi fan you'd probably have your interest piqued. I find it 'humorous' that most atheists find it entirely plausible that we have been visited by intelligent beings from other planets. Yet the fact that Angels might exist is laughable. Maybe that's because they think of the classic paintings of a fair faced being with wings playing on a harp.

Enoch refers to the Watchers. Those Angels (our word) or beings sent to keep up with us and report back. But they messed up. First they couldn't resist the wimmens. Neither can we! So they slept with them and that's supposedly where Giants (the Nephalim) came from. This isn't just a story in the bible though. And while I don't claim to believe all the ancient myths verbatim I do believe that there are some threads of truth in them. The Epic of Gilgamesh speaks of a Giant with an insatiable appetite. So did Enoch. The Greeks wrote of many DemiGods who were extremely powerful and huge. Native Americans spoke of Red-haired Giants and there was an amazing discovery in Lovelock, Nevada.
http://ironlight.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/nevadas-mysterious-cave-of-the-red-haired-giants/

Enoch wrote that the watchers taught men and women about Metal working, Stone masonry, Astronomy, War, Sorcery, etc. Doesn't it strike you as peculiar that it took mankind approximately 40,000 years to advance from hunter gatherers to farmers/builders. And now look at us! In less than 4,000 years we put a man on the moon! You don't think that maybe we had a little help in progressing? I do. You can call them Aliens. I believe they're the Angels that were referred to in the bible. God's advanced race of beings sent to watch over us. Only a third of them didn't like that idea and decided to rebel.

Now before you trivialize my belief or write me off as some raving lunatic then I ask you to consider one of the greatest intellectuals of our time. C.S. Lewis. I would imagine that no one here could stand up and say they were much smarter than he; an Oxford Graduate and Professor. A great thinker who set out to disprove the idea of God. And in the process found that he was wrong. Two of my favorite quotes from him are:
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“If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning.” ~C.S. Lewis

I submit that those of you who do not believe in God and are yet living according to the law (based on Judaic principles) are hypocrites. If the universe has no meaning then life has no meaning. If life has no meaning then you can be free to kill, rape, murder, and steal. But deep within your soul (if you have one) I'll bet there would be something in most of you that would tug at you and say 'no. I can't do this. Even if I get away with it. It's not right.' (Btw: I wonder if there were some off spring that did not inherit the Neshama. That would explain someone like a Jeffrey Dahmer)
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“As long as you are proud you cannot know God. A proud man is always looking down on things and people: and, of course, as long as you are looking down you cannot see something that is above you. ~C.S. Lewis”

Many Christians look down on the unsaved because they haven't 'figured it out yet.' It's just as wrong as an atheist mocking someone for their belief in God. While atheist spend their days focused on the things of this earth too many Christians are 'too heavenly minded to be any earthly good.' There should be more honest, peaceful discussions between the two.

On the subject of Demons you should read a short book called "The Screwtape letters." It's about an elder Demon communicating with his nephew on how to claim souls for their 'father below.' If you're not afraid to open your mind to a different way of thinking that is. Here's one of my favorite quotes from that book; the preface:

[quote=] "There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them. They themselves are equally pleased by both errors and hail a materialist or a magician with the same delight." ~ C.S. Lewis [/quote]

7. But the bible says that God knows what we need and has it on the way so that it will always arrive on time. Scientifically, the only way He could accomplish this is He must be able to see the future. Maybe He figured out how to bend Time? I know a lot of Christians would find it sacrilege for me to suggest that maybe God has to obey the same laws of nature, space, time etc that we do. The scientist in me finds Him more intriguing if that's the case. And my faith in Him and His plan is just as strong as any others.

[Quote=Snackpack]- 7.You're not a scientist.. not even close.. a scientist uses objective evidence to come to an unbiased determination.. I can tell by this small entry that all your realizations are tainted.. good fight, bro [/quote]

I would consider myself a scientist since I do practice the scientific method.

[quote=FreeDictionary.com]Scientific method refers to a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge[/quote]

But not the traditional scientist sporting a lab coat and playing with test tubes all day. I spend a lot of my studies asking 'what if?' It's funny, I'm 49 and people say I look like I'm in my early 30's. I do work out five days a week and I'm at the same playing weight as I was as a Running Back in High school. But it's more to do with the mind. I never want to become stagnant or stop learning. I'll pick anyone's brain and consider what they have to say. You never know what you might learn if you keep an open mind.

[quote=]Plato is my friend — Aristotle is my friend — but my greatest friend is truth. ~ Sir Isaac Newton [/quote]

Seek and you shall find is what Jesus said. I'll never stop asking why or what if. And I don't think God finds it offensive to do so. As long as I trust that His plan will work out then I'll be fine. Sorry for the book! And I'm sure I lost about 90% of ADD DTers after the first sentence. But I do enjoy the discussion and intelligent debate.

One final thing about my Faith in God. If we are no more than animals then how do you explain how you feel when you hear that song that really touches your heart? Or how your heart jumps when you kiss that girl that you're head over heels for? Why would a man tear up watching Saving Private Ryan when the Medic is hit and is crying out for his mama? (If you didn't you have no soul and are on a fast track to hell tongue ) What makes a Soldier risk his precious life for his buddy? There's more to us than just eating, drinking, sex and sleeping. We think, we invent, we dream, we laugh, we cry, we Love. I just have a hard time believing that we are a random act of nature. That math, in my mind, just doesn't add up.

 

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you know if you break down the human body after death to all its basic components there is 1 percent missing that cannot be explained.


Oh it must be a soul. Right?

Iso proof. I took some law classes. Need some proof here.




i didnt say soul you did so you made that assumption not i


I'm asking for proof about the statement you just made "the human body after death to all its basic components there is 1 percent missing that cannot be explained."

 

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i just watched bambi 45 minutes ago and i cried in it, i have a soul

 

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then i watched Milo and Otis and i laughed at the funny parts, i can has a soul

 

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1st, this website is an insult to my intelligence.

2nd, I don't see what you were talking about anywhere on this page.

3rd, I'm just going to quote one of the replies some made on this blog.

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August 8, 2011 at 6:45 am

It’s very unfortunate that so many on this site lack the basic knowledge/understanding of the scientific method…let alone Science in general. Mr. Soriano has tried to blur the lines between Chemistry and Biology enough to make a correlation between biblical text and scientific fact.

Please take the time to do some research (even just a little) on Abiogenesis and compare that with information regarding Evolution through Natural Selection. If you’re intellectually honest enough you will see HOW and WHY we share a similar chemical make-up with almost every other thing (living and nonliving) on this delicate planet.

I’m not posting this to insult anyone…just to inform everyone. So before any of you blindly attacks this post from a foxhole of fanaticism consider setting your vested emotions aside and seek out the “facts” not the subjective spewing of religious dogma.

 

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you are made of dirt and water sorry scientific fact ....i too can copy and paste lol


I’ve studied abiogenesis. It is required in a closed system and requires faith to be accepted. Abiogenesis is not scientific, it is a poor substitute, at best, for any real explanation of how live began. DO NOT suppose yourself to have the answer, lest you mark yourself a fool.

Further, Darwin’s THEORY of natural selection certainly applies within a species. But the Cambrian layer of the fossil record – of which Darwin had no knowledge – gives strong evidence that forcing his theory upon all the species as a collective whole was wrong. Darwin was wrong.

On top of that, he had no apparatus for the studying the contents of the human cell. He had no idea of the micro mechanics of cell maintenance and reproduction including the processes of DNA/RNA, amino acids, and proteins. If he had, he would likely have pointed to the possibility – as any good scientist would – of an intelligent designer – WITHOUT CALLING IT RELIGION.

Darwin admitted in his text that, “If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.”

And stating that all biology is related because we share common composition is on the level of saying that because all books are ink on paper they are written by the same author.

Science tries too hard to sell its theories as fact, even when the theory is out-weighed by scientific law. The big bang theory, for instance, go directly against the first and second laws of thermodynamics. WHY??? It’s because the atheistic faction of the scientific community is too proud of its own work to consider the existence of ID.

But my biggest complaint stems from the simple fact that science has no apparatus nor methodology for studying the supernatural – including the existence of heaven, hell, God, and our very souls – yet takes the most arrogant position of declaring none of it exists. Shame on you. Stop it. You’re creating confusion.

Your best response is to say, “we have no comment”, and move back into the business of the material world.


 

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you are made of dirt and water sorry scientific fact ....i too can copy and paste lol


I’ve studied abiogenesis. It is required in a closed system and requires faith to be accepted. Abiogenesis is not scientific, it is a poor substitute, at best, for any real explanation of how live began. DO NOT suppose yourself to have the answer, lest you mark yourself a fool.

Further, Darwin’s THEORY of natural selection certainly applies within a species. But the Cambrian layer of the fossil record – of which Darwin had no knowledge – gives strong evidence that forcing his theory upon all the species as a collective whole was wrong. Darwin was wrong.

On top of that, he had no apparatus for the studying the contents of the human cell. He had no idea of the micro mechanics of cell maintenance and reproduction including the processes of DNA/RNA, amino acids, and proteins. If he had, he would likely have pointed to the possibility – as any good scientist would – of an intelligent designer – WITHOUT CALLING IT RELIGION.

Darwin admitted in his text that, “If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.”

And stating that all biology is related because we share common composition is on the level of saying that because all books are ink on paper they are written by the same author.

Science tries too hard to sell its theories as fact, even when the theory is out-weighed by scientific law. The big bang theory, for instance, go directly against the first and second laws of thermodynamics. WHY??? It’s because the atheistic faction of the scientific community is too proud of its own work to consider the existence of ID.

But my biggest complaint stems from the simple fact that science has no apparatus nor methodology for studying the supernatural – including the existence of heaven, hell, God, and our very souls – yet takes the most arrogant position of declaring none of it exists. Shame on you. Stop it. You’re creating confusion.

Your best response is to say, “we have no comment”, and move back into the business of the material world.





People babbling about the existence of heaven, hell, god, and our very souls are the ones causing confusion.

Because of this I can not carry on with this conversation.

 

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Subject: Sometimes I want to ask God...
your beloved science has only explored about 30 percent of our planet ..our solar system is a tiny one at best on the outer edge of the milky way galaxy.if our galaxy were a grain of sand our planet would be the size of an atom.there are as many galaxies in the universe as there are grains of sand in all the beaches in all the world .your beloved science knows next to nothing...........................................

 

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