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Is really as big an invention for humanity as paper and other things. Its huge!
its just getting started too
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lol he did sign the legislation I guess that made it possible but he sure didnt create it. HE has a tendency to exaggerate lol
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lol he did sign the legislation I guess that made it possible
How could legislation "make possible" that which already existed??
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Koneg posted:
__Bonk__ posted:
lol he did sign the legislation I guess that made it possible
How could legislation "make possible" that which already existed??
He fostered the development of the technology that we know now as the internet through legislation and incentives. Like Eisenhower did with highways. Eisenhower didn't "invent" highways but he was the driving force behind implementing the highway system in America through legislation.
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IMHO posted:
Koneg posted:
__Bonk__ posted:
lol he did sign the legislation I guess that made it possible
How could legislation "make possible" that which already existed??
He fostered the development of the technology that we know now as the internet through legislation and incentives. Like Eisenhower did with highways. Eisenhower didn't "invent" highways but he was the driving force behind implementing the highway system in America through legislation.
So when you heathens are fapping it to dwarf porn, you can thank Mr. No Personality Gore.
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Koneg posted:
__Bonk__ posted:
lol he did sign the legislation I guess that made it possible
How could legislation "make possible" that which already existed??
Leave your IT card at the door please.
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WOW... C'mon Kenog you can say it.....
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He fostered the development of the technology that we know now as the internet through legislation and incentives.
/facepalm
The Internet existed before Albert Gore Jr was ever elected a Senator, I was playing my first MMO and downloading porn years before his bill ever passed a vote let alone became law. 
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Koneg posted:
IMHO posted:
He fostered the development of the technology that we know now as the internet through legislation and incentives.
/facepalm
The Internet existed before Albert Gore Jr was ever elected a Senator, I was playing my first MMO and downloading porn years before his bill ever passed a vote let alone became law.
Don't be daft Koneg.
I'm not arguing that he "invented" the internet. Highways existed before Eisenhower too, but there were no on-ramps (access) for the common man until Eisenhower had the foresight to push threw legislation. Same with the internet. There was no internet at my house or your house. Al Gore had the foresight to push threw legislation when others didn't. He made possible, threw legislation and incentives, the on ramps in all our houses. This is just a plain and simple fact.
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I'm not arguing that he "invented" the internet.
Neither am I, nor am I arguing that he made that claim.
IMHO posted:
Highways existed before Eisenhower too, but there were no on-ramps (access) for the common man until Eisenhower had the foresight to push threw legislation. Same with the internet. There was no internet at my house or your house.
Bullshit. That is my point. FTP, Usenet, hell even the good 'ol World Widey Webby was there for the taking. For anyone. I didn't work at a college or university, I didn't get access through a big corporation - I was just a private citizen who was  enough to figure it out. I signed on, checked my email, checked or posted to the message boards that I liked, then played my MMO - from home. Usually in that order.
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I was just a private citizen who was nerd enough to figure it out.
What year was that?
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He may never have had a girlfriend but koneg wins at the Internet
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He may never have had a girlfriend but koneg wins at the Internet
He may win at the internet , but not this debate.
Don't encourage him.
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What was the legislation? When did he propose it?
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What was the legislation? When did he propose it?
Here is the definitive statement on Gore's involvement in "inventing" the
Internet, from the guys who really did:
By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf posted:
Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the
Internet and to promote and support its development.
No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the
Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among
people in government and the university community. But as the two people
who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the
Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a
Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to
our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of
time.
Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role.
He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the
initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have
argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover,
there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's
initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving
Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and
promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it
is timely to offer our perspective.
As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed
telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the
improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official
to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact
than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship. Though easily
forgotten, now, at the time this was an unproven and controversial
concept. Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and was based on even
earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s. But the Internet, as
we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still
in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided
intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential
benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he
sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in
areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural
disasters and other crises.
As a Senator in the 1980s Gore urged government agencies to consolidate
what at the time were several dozen different and unconnected networks
into an "Interagency Network." Working in a bi-partisan manner with
officials in Ronald Reagan and George Bush's administrations, Gore secured
the passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications Act in
1991. This "Gore Act" supported the National Research and Education
Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major vehicles for the
spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer science.
As Vice President Gore promoted building the Internet both up and out, as
well as releasing the Internet from the control of the government agencies
that spawned it. He served as the major administration proponent for
continued investment in advanced computing and networking and private
sector initiatives such as Net Day. He was and is a strong proponent of
extending access to the network to schools and libraries. Today,
approximately 95% of our nation's schools are on the Internet. Gore
provided much-needed political support for the speedy privatization of the
Internet when the time arrived for it to become a commercially-driven
operation.
There are many factors that have contributed to the Internet's rapid
growth since the later 1980s, not the least of which has been political
support for its privatization and continued support for research in
advanced networking technology. No one in public life has been more
intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving
Internet than the Vice President. Gore has been a clear champion of this
effort, both in the councils of government and with the public at large.
The Vice President deserves credit for his early recognition of the value
of high speed computing and communication and for his long-term and
consistent articulation of the potential value of the Internet to American
citizens and industry and, indeed, to the rest of the world.
Thanks for playing.
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officials in Ronald Reagan and George Bush's administrations, Gore secured
the passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications Act in
1991. This "Gore Act" supported the National Research and Education
Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major vehicles for the
spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer science.
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Gore might be giving this NERN more credit than its worth. The internet is open unlike the closed system he promoted at the time.
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IMHO posted:
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I was just a private citizen who was nerd enough to figure it out.
What year was that?
I went online in the year that the Jell-O Man was pimping my first computer.
Didn't find the internet until 1990ish. I was playing my MMO (two actually - and it was a huge deal to have 100+ simultaneous players  ) by 1990. Hit Usenet about the same time. Attended my first online gaming convention in Los Angeles summer of 1991 (still have the video tape too) If I deigned to give you my real name you could then find posts from me dating back to early 92 on Usenet (which is about as far back as the archives go) back in the good 'ol days when you could still post without worrying about trolls, spammers or stalkers.
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We already had prodigy by 1990.
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IMHO posted:
eodoll posted:
What was the legislation? When did he propose it?
Here is the definitive statement on Gore's involvement in "inventing" the
Internet, from the guys who really did:
By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf posted:
work on the Internet started in 1973 and was based on even
earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s. But the Internet, as
we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still
in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided
intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential
benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he
sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in
areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural
disasters and other crises.
Thanks for playing.
Seriously, Al Gore should be your hero.
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We already had prodigy by 1990.
Yeah, i was on Prodigy in '90. Koneg isn't the trendsetter he thinks he was. Half my friends were on it.
Gore was responding to ARPANET, and started forming his bill in '88. It just didn't get passed until '91. It took a disjointed series of networks and formed an cohesive infrastructure.
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Yeah, i was on Prodigy in '90. Koneg isn't the trendsetter he thinks he was. Half my friends were on it.
I was hardly a trendsetter... and wow you were stuck on Plodigy?
Useless Trivia: I worked on Prodigy Classic here just a few years ago
For the big networks I joined CIS first then I moved to GEnie. Of course there were numerous BBS's as well since they were still big at the time (and had the benefit of being free). That's actually where I got my first Usenet feed from - A local BBS that had a dedicated 56k frame connection and a FIDOnet to Usenet (via UUCP) gateway.
As to this debate?
Gore's bill certainly didn't hurt anything and had a lot of measurable benefits. It did not however "make possible" the internet - since the internet already existed.
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