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I enjoyed this. Did anyone else?
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Seemed really short and didn't cover a ton. But it is the first episode and I have a feeling the episodes from here on out are going to get bigger and more intense.
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Introduction of a lot of new characters. I thought it was OK, not great, but my wife who hasn't read the books was totally lost. She could barely remember how things fit together and the episode just jumped right in.
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Yep.
I watched it twice.
I don't even like TV at all, but I love this show. That short guy....he is pretty damn awesome. Great actor and that chick with the baby dragons...yeah, she rocks as well.
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I'm sensing another repeat of last season where it takes 5+ episodes to really get going.
It is really inevitable when they are as "true" to the original as they have been though. There are simply way, way too many characters and subplots in the books to translate effectively to the 1-hour TV episode medium.
A bolder editor would have cut out a lot of the subplots and side characters entirely and focused the narrative. I can see why they didn't though because it would make the fanbois /emorage like you wouldn't believe.
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The TV show seems more of a Fanservice to those who has read the books than anything...but cant blame them, it's next to imposible to fit everything from 1000 pages long book to just ten episodes
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I enjoyed it, i just cant wait for the boy king to be offed lol
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I enjoyed it, i just cant wait for the boy king to be offed lol
Both Joffrey and Cersei are played perfectly, it's easy to grow to hate them.
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Thought it was decent overall, but they jumped around a bit too much I think. Understandable given the amount of characters in th 2nd book, but for a 1st episode of the season and with that much info to cover, it would have been better served as a 2 hour premire.
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I believe at the margin is this question: Should the present series have been left undeveloped or is this entertaining enough to qualify the project as a quality art work in progress? It's a stand alone for me. I gave up on the second book. The series is good enough for me and the girls I go out with. i'm definitely looking forward to the next one.
The dwarf is a scene stealer.
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i dont see how people that havent read the books can know wtf is going on
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The tv show is great but the books are better and Tyrion is my favorite character in the series. He is complex and interesting.
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i dont see how people that havent read the books can know wtf is going on
There's not much they can do about it. They have chosen to go for fan service for existing fans rather than adapt the work more heavily for TV to appeal to people who haven't read the books. They had to choose one or the other. If they had chosen the other ways the fanbois would be sending them death threats for deciding not to include the boring characters and storylines.
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i even nerdrage over little stuff they change
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It would have been easy for them to lose the weight of what comes later if they rushed into season 2. I was impressed by the pace and the foundations they laid out. They nailed it actually.
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They either need to stop adding new characters or start killing off the old ones a lot faster. It's not very satisfying to watch everybody take a single baby step each episode. I'd wait until the season's over and watch them all at once for an improved experience but I don't think I can pass up the compelling opportunity to offer negatively-charged contrary opinions every week.
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They either need to stop adding new characters or start killing off the old ones a lot faster. It's not very satisfying to watch everybody take a single baby step each episode. I'd wait until the season's over and watch them all at once for an improved experience but I don't think I can pass up the compelling opportunity to offer negatively-charged contrary opinions every week.
I did that with 1st season, saw whole series in 2 afternoons.
But it was good enough for me to start immediately this time
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I think its going to get cancelled. This show is going to lose viewers and it looks expensive to make.
- too many characters, too much dialogue, confusing to follow, many of them look the same. Needs a lot more action. They wait till the end and give a cliffhanger, half the time its a cliffhanger you dont even care about.
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They need to make it two hours.
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It is an Emmy winning series that had the biggest draw of any HBO series ever for it's first season. The show isn't going anywhere.
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New viewers like eodell will be turned off if they arn't already. The whole thing is a big steaming pile of fan service for people who read the books. It's borderline incomprehensible if you haven't.
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I think its going to get cancelled. This show is going to lose viewers and it looks expensive to make.
- too many characters, too much dialogue, confusing to follow, many of them look the same. Needs a lot more action. They wait till the end and give a cliffhanger, half the time its a cliffhanger you dont even care about.
good thing you don't know shit LOL. it won't get cancelled.
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New viewers like eodell will be turned off if they arn't already. The whole thing is a big steaming pile of fan service for people who read the books. It's borderline incomprehensible if you haven't.
I haven't read the books and I can follow along , maybe people just need to not be stupid and pay attention ?
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ive never even heard of the books, and I can follow along as well.
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I read the first book and that's it, but I have some familiarity from people talking about it here on the outpost. I'm also a super genius!!1
And there were bits that were pretty hard to follow even so. The scenes with Stannis would have been borderline incomprehensible, for example.
A large part of the problem is how they insist on doing things like the books do by doing 5 minutes of each subplot each episode. By the time the viewer adjusts to which story they're talking about it's over for that episode and they have to readjust to the next one.
From my understanding more and more stories get introduced as the series goes on, so it's just gonna get worse. By season 4-5 they'll have like 3 minutes per subplot.
They ought to be a little bolder and do what I gather he ended up doing himself in the later books and breaking things up so that in a given episode they only address half the subplots, and then deal with the other half in the next episode. That'd give them a solid 10-15 minutes per subplot, enough time to get things moving more significantly.
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Yup, the story lines only grow in number and get more involved. His later books actually overlap because he had to split the story lines out into different book just so the readers could follow easier.
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His later books actually overlap because he had to split the story lines out into different book just so the readers could follow easier.
That's what I'm saying they ought to have done already for the TV adaption. Although it could just be on an episode by episode basis.
Rather than trying to cover joffrey + john snow + the cripple kid in winterfell + the king in the north + stannis + dragon lady all in the first episode (and I probably forgot someone), they should have picked three-four of those stories and done 15ish minutes on each, and then done 15ish minutes on the other half in episode 2. Right now it jumps around too much for the medium of a one-hour TV episode. Six different stories going on in one one-hour segment is not good design.
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I never read the books but I was able to watch and understand the first season with no problems.
This episode though I was kind of confused on a few things, but it's not bothersome enough to make me stop watching though.
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New viewers like eodell will be turned off if they arn't already. The whole thing is a big steaming pile of fan service for people who read the books. It's borderline incomprehensible if you haven't.
Less than half of the people i know watching it read the books, and they're all following it not only completely, but fanatically. It's a non-issue.
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Boobs and dragons, not sure how they could screw that up too bad.
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Boobs and dragons, not sure how they could screw that up too bad.
Not enough of either seems most likely.
It's not really HBO's fault though. From what I understand the later books in particular have lots of sidestories with boringish characters that don't really go anywhere.
They are going to have to figure something out. They can't keep doing it how they have been into the later seasons. It'll get unmanagable, like the books themselves. There's a reason no television drama has ever tried to do so many seperate substories with different characters taking place in different locations before.
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Who is the lady saying: Terrors in the night?  Is she the one who was breast feeding a teen age child in the first season, the sister of the Boromir dude's wife? I was kinda lost there.
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I think some of you should read the books if you can. They are a fantastic read and you'll not regret doing so. I think reading the books enhances the show.
After reading all the books and enjoying them very much so I am really really looking forward to season three already.
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Wiki says Melisandre, some sorceress who does all sorts of weird magic that a lot of people complained about at first because it seemed out of keeping with the setting.
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Melisandre is the witch/priestess for Stannis. She likes burning people.
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I think people get confused with the setting and such....the story isn't really about fighting, and armies clashing and big budget stuffs, it's about the "Game", which in Martin's case get's down into minutia of detailed characters plotting against one another and the outcomes, mostly dark. There aren't many white knights, and the hero doesn't get the girl and no one rides off into the sunset. That may turn people off in and of itself.
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I think at some point just following the plot is going to become the biggest turnoff for the average viewer and the biggest threat to the series being renewed. As more and more stories get introduced the pace is going to bog down more and more. They are going to have to start being bolder about cutting out the chaff.
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I would imagine that later on, the producers and writers of the show will have to choose which storyline(s) to follow and ignore the rest.
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Boobs and dragons, not sure how they could screw that up too bad.
Not enough of either seems most likely.
With both it is all about the anticipation!
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Wiki says Melisandre, some sorceress who does all sorts of weird magic that a lot of people complained about at first because it seemed out of keeping with the setting.
I don't think a lot of people realize that the book starts out low fantasy and then becomes high fantasy as the Dragons are brought back into the world and winter is getting closer.
Also, I would highly recommend reading the first three books and then stopping. Book 4 was mediocre and book 5 was so atrocious neither my wife or I were able to finish it
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Also, I would highly recommend reading the first three books and then stopping. Book 4 was mediocre and book 5 was so atrocious neither my wife or I were able to finish it
Guess thats a point where artist became salesman
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Im not confused by it, it takes a bit for me to realize who theyre talking about or who im looking at sometimes but im liking it so far.
Im just being realistic, its very slow progressing and a lot of dialgue. I dont know if i can handle waiting season after season for winter to come. There have been other hbo series like rome and deadwood that were cancelled.
The crap wth the dragon for instance was only a fewseconds and it went into the cage.
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By book five they're still caged up. When they get big enough to fly and eat people, it kind of becomes a necessity.
The only bad book in the series is book four, and the only boring pointless character chapters are Brienne's. Brienne is boring because her entire point in book four is to find Sansa Stark. Where is she? Is she over here? Noooo. Over here? Nope!
The problem is that the reader already knows exactly where Sansa is because she has POV chapters in the book as well. As a result, every time you read about Brienne going here or there, you already know she is wasting her time, so you feel you're wasting your time too.
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B_Shinkicker posted:
By book five they're still caged up. When they get big enough to fly and eat people, it kind of becomes a necessity.
The only bad book in the series is book four, and the only boring pointless character chapters are Brienne's. Brienne is boring because her entire point in book four is to find Sansa Stark. Where is she? Is she over here? Noooo. Over here? Nope!
The problem is that the reader already knows exactly where Sansa is because she has POV chapters in the book as well. As a result, every time you read about Brienne going here or there, you already know she is wasting her time, so you feel you're wasting your time too.
Not entirely true. You also get to see Jamie's base humanity develop as a result of Brienne. That, I would argue, is more the point of her character.
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Dang Bishop you shouldnt of spoiled it
Havent read the books and saw the first season with on demand in 1 night
I do wish it was 2 hours a nite tho, 1 hour just seems to short.
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I read about 100 pages of book 5 and quit. It was horrible. Book 4 was pretty bad as well.
The series has been excellent so far. It's a great show with good writers, great actors, and a intricate, but compelling story....so it should have at least one more good season left in it. Doubt it has much more than that however, book 4 would be almost impossible to make interesting in any way on screen, and book 5 could consist entirely of a bunch of people wandering around doing absolutely nothing for no reason and saying stupid crap that contradicts everything they ever thought or said up till that point.
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