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Reviewer inflation is becoming ridiculous. When's the last time you saw a top budget title get less than an 80%? It seems like the new scale for AAA budget titles is 80-100.
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I'd give it a 72-75% at the most.
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When the big studios buy the ad time, you'll get reviews that skew to the big studios.
Skyrim shouldn't be a 95. An 85 is fair though. A good solid B.
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Skyrim is more of a really pretty mod for Morrowind than a new game.
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http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/15/obsidian-missed-fallout-new-vegas-metacritic-bonus-by-one-point/
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I didn't personally like it but I wouldn't think it was that ridiculous if it got an 85% average. 95% is venturing into "baghdad bob" territory.
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There are some games that eventually break your heart. Skyrim seems to be one of those.
There are other games that never even capture your interest. It is hard to distinguish between the two with a simple rating system.
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There are some games that eventually break your heart. Skyrim seems to be one of those.
There are other games that never even capture your interest. It is hard to distinguish between the two with a simple rating system.
Part of it is definitely that games that are fun for the first 10-15 hours get a ratings boost they don't deserve. No doubt about that. You see that in MMOs a lot too. Age of Conan got great reviews because Tortage was good, and most of the reviewers never bothered to spend enough time in the game to find out there was nothing to do in the second half of the game that wasn't awful or broken. Skyrim does benefit from that.
But it is not a 95/100 game even in those first 10-15 hours. How can an action rpg with uninspiring, wooden combat get a 95%? It's absurd.
The rating system has become meaningless because anything less than an 80 has become unthinkable for a major release.
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I'd give it 75-80% these days, it probably doesn't have longevity like some old games, so the grade won't stand the test of time.
Still, I had a blast playing it actually, getting immersed in the environment, sneaking around discovering nooks and crannies and new quests and shit.
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I love Skyrim and am playing it now. But, the game is plagued with bugs. More often than not, I have to research and find a workaround or console command that'll fix the bug. Sometimes, there's no fix at all.
So, I can kind of understand the drop it ratings, but I believe anything between 90-95% is fair and generous.
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80 played hours, still having a blast. I've never understood how video games are "graded" but it's one of the better games I've played and I would recommend it to anyone.
ETA: The god awful UI alone knocks it down to B status if I was handing out letter grades, though.
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
There are some games that eventually break your heart. Skyrim seems to be one of those.
There are other games that never even capture your interest. It is hard to distinguish between the two with a simple rating system.
Part of it is definitely that games that are fun for the first 10-15 hours get a ratings boost they don't deserve. No doubt about that. You see that in MMOs a lot too. Age of Conan got great reviews because Tortage was good, and most of the reviewers never bothered to spend enough time in the game to find out there was nothing to do in the second half of the game that wasn't awful or broken. Skyrim does benefit from that.
But it is not a 95/100 game even in those first 10-15 hours. How can an action rpg with uninspiring, wooden combat get a 95%? It's absurd.
The rating system has become meaningless because anything less than an 80 has become unthinkable for a major release.
The early buzz of this game was really strong. I don't think people generally shared your take on things.
There are also some things that get really really annoying after a certain amount of time. I had to stop playing Fallout because the combat was so annoying.
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Bad UI, bad AI, wooden combat mechanics. There are a lot of good parts of the game too but there's no possible way anyone with a shred of credibility can look at Skyrim and say with a straight face it's one of the best games ever made, which is what a 95% average comes out to.
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I think one reviewer was fired for giving Kane and Lynch a less than stellar review.
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Skyrim is an awesome game. Expectations are too high. Replayability and novelty shouldn't automatically get you an A+ either.
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Nothing should automatically get you an A+. 90 has become the new 80. If an AAA budget game doesn't get a 90% average people consider it a failure these days.
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I think you are missing the point of reviews. If they were all average (B) then how does that really help the customer?
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Uh doesn't that sorta make my point? If any AAA release these days automatically gets an 80% just from being an AAA release how does that help? How is compressing the scale to realistically only 80-100 doing anyone any favors?
These days a 90% is pretty much expected and doesn't say much any more. \
An 80% used to be considered good. Now as you have demonstrated an 80% is considered average, and for an AAA title frankly it's considered a failure.
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Uh doesn't that sorta make my point? If any AAA release these days automatically gets an 80% just from being an AAA release how does that help? How is compressing the scale to realistically only 80-100 doing anyone any favors?
These days a 90% is pretty much expected and doesn't say much any more. \
An 80% used to be considered good. Now as you have demonstrated an 80% is considered average, and for an AAA title frankly it's considered a failure.
But the reader is the one compressing the scale. It is basically Buy(A), maybe buy(B), only buy if you really like the concept(C), and don't buy(D). That is not going to change.
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Well no. It is the reviewers compressing the scale. AAA developer titles never get anything less than an 80% these days. It used to be a good game would get mid 80s and any developer would be happy with that. These days if your game doesn't get an 85% apparently it's considered a failure and you don't get royalties. 
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Back in my day they used to give points for different categories. The main jist of a review was "is the game awesome at being what it says it is compared to other games that say they are the same?" Does it advance the genre, does it advance gaming.
I dn't see how you don't see skyrim as an excellent title in all of those categories.
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Because it doesn't do anything Morrowind didn't do better a decade ago.
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I liked that they would break the game down by these categories:
Gameplay
Graphics
Sound
Controls
Sometimes they would judge by story also, maybe we should start a game review site and give games reviews.
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False. Nobody here would play morrowind over skyrim if you had to play one of those two for five hours. You can act like you would. but you wouldn't.
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Back in my day they used to give points for different categories. The main jist of a review was "is the game awesome at being what it says it is compared to other games that say they are the same?" Does it advance the genre, does it advance gaming.
I dn't see how you don't see skyrim as an excellent title in all of those categories.
I appreciated the multi-category system because you could get a better sense of the game without the reviewers having to really suck the game company's  .
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Back in my day they used to give points for different categories. The main jist of a review was "is the game awesome at being what it says it is compared to other games that say they are the same?" Does it advance the genre, does it advance gaming.
I dn't see how you don't see skyrim as an excellent title in all of those categories.
Only if you compare it to previous games from the same developer.
The combat is poor. The AI is atrocious and there is still that wooden feeling that's always plagued the TES games since they went 3D. The UI is clunky on the PC. It launched with a large number of serious bugs. All of these are improvements on their previous TES games (which also got ridiculously inflated scores), but hardly testaments to game design in general.
These are reasons for the game not to get a 95%. They arn't reasons it's a bad game, because it isn't a bad game. But it is not one of the most awesome games ever like that score suggests.
Nobody is going to put Skyrim the top of their list for the game they have the best memories of years after playing it. Well, almost nobody. I'm sure there are a few morons somewhere.
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Skyrim's most egregious flaw is its story. Bethesda is getting progressively worse at ending their main quests. I wish they'd hand off Fallout 4 to Obsidian and stay in their lettuce patch.
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Well obviously the main story sucks but I think that's something most people forgive because they know it's a sandbox game.
I don't think people should forgive the horrible AI and UI and the poor combat. Because those are pretty integral parts of any action RPG.
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I still play Mount & Blade. I haven't given Skyrim a playthrough.
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 You have been hating on this game before it came out. Get off the hate train already. It deserved more then 90 for sure. The only games that came out last year that I've played so far have been BF3, Skyward sword and Skyrim. It's a good game. You just don't like it. Nothing wrong with that.
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I'm disappointed the main quest is so meh.
Good game though.
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I like Skyrim.
But I too agree ratings are skewed.
If we are going by a school grading scale where F is fail, D is passing but not good, C is average, B is good, and A is awesome.
then the average game needs to be getting a C 70-79, the good games get Bs 80-89, and the awesome games get As 90-99. which is what it looks like they are doing, but grading it like that is stupid. why even have a score less then 50?
it should be 50 is average. that would give you a more detail graph to spread out the games.
I liked fall out new vegas and skyrim. the main quests did kinda suck but then I never really finished the main quests I stick to the open world exploration and so on so forth. bugs in new vegas bugged me too, I would have given it the score it received of 84. I liked skyrim too, but again bugs and lag issues due to large save files hurt it, I would have given it an 84 maybe an 85. it would have been a 90 if not for the bugs and the lag I encountered when my save file had over 30 hours in it. before 30 hours the game was bug free basically.
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When they said 95% they didn't mean 95% good, they meant 95% the same as Bethesdas other games.
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What would a game need to score 99?
Are there any games that score that high?
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I think 95% is fair and I've got issues with the game personally. But the truth is Skyrim is not my first video game. So I'm not a very good judge. I have 26 years of gaming baggage including very high expectations.
Not to mention, Skyrim has put a lot of effort into making all their hard work yours for the manipulating. I'm having more fun with the mods out there than I did with the play through.
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Both of the above games get a Nostalgia rating of 99%!
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Here is the problem.. Either they have to retroactively knockpoints off of older titles or they need to keep raising the grade.
The original pac man was awesome at the time it came out, its worth a 10 on todays scale... But if pac man is still on the site with a 90 score then it skews everything because this new game is better.
In other words the game ratings are useless.
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Here is the problem.. Either they have to retroactively knockpoints off of older titles or they need to keep raising the grade.
The original pac man was awesome at the time it came out, its worth a 10 on todays scale... But if pac man is still on the site with a 90 score then it skews everything because this new game is better.
In other words the game ratings are useless.
I'm sorry for you young people but you just had to be there. I can't understand the joys of pinball but my parents would rate pinball in the 90s.
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I am 100% sure that 0% of all games in the Yukiverse deserve a 95% rating.
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GrilledCheez posted:
False. Nobody here would play morrowind over skyrim if you had to play one of those two for five hours. You can act like you would. but you wouldn't.
If you still have Morrowind, I ran across a mod on another forum that updates the graphics to Oblivion-like quality. Obviously not as good as Skyrim but vastly improved over the original graphics.
http://morroblivion.com/ (ETA: You have to have Oblivion installed and iirc all the expansions as well in order to use this mod)
And about the only advantage Morrowind has over Skyrim is the UI. Morrowind's UI isn't spectacular but it was done right, whereas apparently the Skyrim devs thought that the only place Skyrim would ever be played is on a console.
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Kjarhall posted:
When they said 95% they didn't mean 95% good, they meant 95% the same as Bethesdas other games.
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I will buy this game next year 2013 when its a fraction of the price and player mods have made it better.
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The modding community has been very active in the game so far. Sky UI all but eliminates the horrible stock UI (you still have to use it for some menus but the Inventory has been modded and works great).
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I find it interesting that the expansion packs seem to have better stories than the main game. Shivering isles had a much more interesting story than Oblivion, and Tribunal was more interesting than Morrowind.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Well no. It is the reviewers compressing the scale. AAA developer titles never get anything less than an 80% these days. It used to be a good game would get mid 80s and any developer would be happy with that. These days if your game doesn't get an 85% apparently it's considered a failure and you don't get royalties.
People can do a lot more research easily these days. There is really no good ole days of game reviews.
The fact is that ratings are about perception and the only people that would be happy with your system are... well you.
I think most people understand there is a bell curve with B being in the middle, not C.
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