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There are probably two dozen significant geo-political/economic factors that will be impacted by who we select for President, but regardless of his margin of victory... it will be women voting for free birth control pills that turn the tide.
Obviously those birth control pills aren't really free.
Obviously women can already get birth control pills for essentially nothing.
Obviously our economy, or foreign policy, are much more important.
It doesn't matter. Sandra Fluke is driving the libtard victory train, with Obama on board. Most future elections will also be based on which candidate promises to give the entitled crowd something for free (aka paid for by someone else).
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the pills are not free, they come at the cost of the government stealing from taxpayers to subsidze something they have no legal authority to do.
And since this is government subsidizing this like housing and education , the price for these pills will now go up
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great story bro
and they still won't sleep with you, don't get your hopes up
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I would point out the fact that just because birth control is covered by insurance it does not necessarily mean that they are "free," but you would probably double down with an even dumber post than that one.
The fact that Repubes are perceived as being anti-choice and anti-female is why women favor Obama nearly 2-1 over <insert GOP candidate's name here>, not "free birth control." The fact that you actually think it's about women wanting something for nothing instead of taking the time to examine how stupidly Repubes have handled this matter illustrates why Repubes continue to lose on issues like these.
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Obamacare requiring all health insurance companies to provide birth control pills under "preventative care" = free birth control pills. Plans that already covered them with a deductible/co-pay will have to move the coverage to preventative care by 2014.
Obama will carry women 2-1 because he successfully turned birth control pills (with the help of ABC News) into a major campaign issue this year.
In future elections the side that runs on limiting government handouts will always lose. This appeals to some of you.
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 @ anything that speeds up the Collapse Train. 
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future elections the side that runs on limiting government handouts will always lose. This appeals to some of you.
Until the money runs out as the countries in Europe are finding out
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Conservatives have been fighting for higher abortion rates for years. It is about time they start losing.
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Conservatives have been fighting for higher abortion rates for years. It is about time they start losing.
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I am incensed that this issue is even a part of the present narrative. The argument about it isn't worth the waste of electrons to carry the message.
The biggest stupid is that faced with all the other issues facing the nation, Santorum and his band of crazy fkn RWN fundies choose this particular thing to attack. It's galling really, and those who support that agenda should be ashamed of themselves.
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Free birth control pills save the insurance companies money. They change more if you don't want them covered. 
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-Espiritu- posted:
Obviously women can already get birth control pills for essentially nothing.
So this will cost us essentially nothing then?
If they are already free, why would this drive women to the polls at all?
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woman too stupid to undertand things like me do!
oh right
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theredkay1 posted:
-Espiritu- posted:
Obviously women can already get birth control pills for essentially nothing.
So this will cost us essentially nothing then?
If they are already free, why would this drive women to the polls at all?
Wal-Mart and Target sell birth control pills for $9/month. If you examine a prescription drug coverage EOB, you will see a price range charged to your insurer of $24-$44/month. If you are a student at Georgetown University, apparently the cost is actually $3,000/year for birth control pills.
This price complexity is the foundation of our currently exploding healthcare costs, and without it, existing government run healthcare programs (medicare/medicaid) would already have collapsed. The underpayments have to be masked somewhere.
The only real question we should be having is "who should pay the $9/month". I'm not sure how anyone could answer anything but "the person taking the pills", but it really doesn't matter because this isn't the debate we're having. The "GOP wants your birth control pills" is the foundation of the Obama bid for re-election. Women are buying this in droves, and they will be the deciding factor in November.
My favorite irony of this topic is that Planned Parenthood provides totally free birth control pills under their "Take Charge" program. Something that costs $9, or nothing if you can't afford $9, HAS to be included on health insurance (laugh) policies? That is some libtarded $hit.
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<snip> That is some libtarded $hit.
Sorry to be contrarian but no it isn't. As you have well established this is about votes. Economic leftists aren't stupid, just dedicated political manipulators who know that an appeal to economic emotion usually works on people who don't get how various factors affect macro economics. Economic leftists must game the system to get into and maintain power. I personally think that they are ultimately self defeating but they don't see it that way as long as they are currently in charge.
We don't have normal business cycles, we have economic political cycles that are much bigger, longer and deeper than the business cycles. To the leftists this is a good thing. Well a good thing until it finally comes down and then they will just blame everything else other than their own despotic greed and incompetence.
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You keep alternating between the pills being cheap and the pills being expensive. 
-Espiritu- posted:
This price complexity is the foundation of our currently exploding healthcare costs, and without it, existing government run healthcare programs (medicare/medicaid) would already have collapsed. The underpayments have to be masked somewhere.
Do cheaper products at Walmart force other retailers to charge more? If so, and you are worried about costs, should you be arguing to shut WalMart down? Or should you be capitalizing on the entity that is actually able to control prices?
You dont appear to have thought this one through at all.
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The only real question we should be having is "who should pay the $9/month". I'm not sure how anyone could answer anything but....
You arent sure because you arent approaching the question as someone who is interested in health costs or health outcomes. You are approaching it from the perspective of a single issue bozo.
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When did you become such a total idiot?
Covering birth control exactly the same way you cover any other PREVENTATIVE medicine is an issue for some. Yep. Mostly people on the far right. Everyone else understand that it makes sense and is a good idea.
Sex is dirty, women are slutty whores if they have sex, abortion is murder, women are whores, sex is dirty, stay in the kitchen and stay pregnant and let real people (AKA men) worry about important stuff, STFU whore!
That's the issue for many more people. And that's the platform the Republican party decided upon. STFU whore, dirty, dirty slut, unclean, nasty promiscuous bitch. You get knocked up when we tell you to get knocked up, get me a beer.
Yeah. You guys go with that. Despite your prayers, women can still vote in this country. And despite the fact that some women want to be treated like they are fragile creatures in imminent danger of sluthood if they don't support their man....most don't.
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When did you become such a total idiot?
Espiritool left the Outpost in the great 2006-2008 RWN exodus. Every time he's come back since he's been totally retarded.
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You keep alternating between the pills being cheap and the pills being expensive.
I didn't create the paradox of complex pricing in healthcare, it was governments intrusion into the healthcare market that created it.
theredkay1 posted:
Do cheaper products at Walmart force other retailers to charge more? If so, and you are worried about costs, should you be arguing to shut WalMart down? Or should you be capitalizing on the entity that is actually able to control prices?
You dont appear to have thought this one through at all.
The answer to your first question is no, making the rest of your questions invalid. Healthcare inflation is only reduced by Walmart's existence in the market. Unfortunately $0.50 of every dollar spent on healthcare is done so through government run programs. Walmart is a just a drop in the bucket compared to government run healthcare.
theredkay1 posted:
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The only real question we should be having is "who should pay the $9/month". I'm not sure how anyone could answer anything but....
You arent sure because you arent approaching the question as someone who is interested in health costs or health outcomes. You are approaching it from the perspective of a single issue bozo.
Birth control pills are cheap.
Birth control are widely available.
Birth control pills are free to those who can't afford them.
The only outcome that was given any consideration when initiating this injection of government into healthcare was the outcome of the 2012 election.
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I am pretty sure the actual Republican nominee won't be against birth control.
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You might be sure, but I bet Romney isn't.
He isn't sure of anything..except that he will change his position to match whoever he is talking too. 
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-Espiritu- posted:
theredkay1 posted:
Do cheaper products at Walmart force other retailers to charge more? If so, and you are worried about costs, should you be arguing to shut WalMart down? Or should you be capitalizing on the entity that is actually able to control prices?
You dont appear to have thought this one through at all.
The answer to your first question is no, making the rest of your questions invalid. Healthcare inflation is only reduced by Walmart's existence in the market. Unfortunately $0.50 of every dollar spent on healthcare is done so through government run programs. Walmart is a just a drop in the bucket compared to government run healthcare.
Soooo
A large buyer that has market power and can demand lower prices does not affect the pricing of others and reduces overall healthcare inflation?
Your  actually makes my head hurt.
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