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Its scary how the numbers have gone through the roof with new cases in the last decade.
I feel fortunate that 2 generations in my family are clear of this disease.
Are people still blaming vaccines?
Do you know anyone's kids that have been diagnosed with it?
We have friends with 3 boys, 2 of them twins and they have all been diagnosed with it. Wife's sisters kids were diagnosed with it, too.
Now that is scary.
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If I'm not mistaken my cousins son has it.
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well to be fair, the numbers are so staggering due to the lack of reservation with labeling.
2 year old kid have more than 2 temper tantrums per week...OMG IT'S AUTISM!!!
i do feel bad for people who have truly autistic children.
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well to be fair, the numbers are so staggering due to the lack of reservation with labeling.
2 year old kid have more than 2 temper tantrums per week...OMG IT'S AUTISM!!!
i do feel bad for people who have truly autistic children.
There is a lot of truth in this... but it isn't the whole story.
The definition of autism is VERY BROAD. In fact, the vast majority of us have one or more characteristics that fit within the autism spectrum.
As the saying goes... "If you've met one person with autism, you've met one person with autism." There is no way to generalize or group people reliably. The labels fail on so many levels it isn't funny.
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HeartView posted:
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well to be fair, the numbers are so staggering due to the lack of reservation with labeling.
2 year old kid have more than 2 temper tantrums per week...OMG IT'S AUTISM!!!
i do feel bad for people who have truly autistic children.
There is a lot of truth in this... but it isn't the whole story.
The definition of autism is VERY BROAD. In fact, the vast majority of us have one or more characteristics that fit within the autism spectrum.
As the saying goes... "If you've met one person with autism, you've met one person with autism." There is no way to generalize or group people reliably. The labels fail on so many levels it isn't funny.
This is so true- the autism spectrum is extremely broad. And the reason it remains so is because any attempt to re-define the spectrum is going to cut off some people from services that they actually need in order to learn how to interact with the world as "normally" as possible.
I don't know that I've met anyone with autism, but I feel for the families who have to work with it. It can be really rough.
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My daughter was daignosed with PDD-NOS when she was 3.
My neighbor to the right has a son with Autism who can't speak. My neighbor to the left has a son also with severe Autism that is slowing turning into Schizoprenia.
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right now there is discussion in the medical/psych fields for narrowing the diagnosis definition of autism.
lots of parents are up in arms because with out the autism diagnosis, their kids wouldnt be able to receive any help from programs set up to help them.
basically it boils down to money, people dont want to increase taxes.
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I don't think there's a lot more cases, just a lot more being diagnosed now compared to some decades ago.
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I read on my baby board that there is apparently a link between pitocin and autism. Not sure how true it is as I haven't done any research myself.
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I know a guy who i swear has Asperger's, he has like every characteristic. But he's in his 40's now, and it just wasnt known about when he was younger.
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right now there is discussion in the medical/psych fields for narrowing the diagnosis definition of autism.
lots of parents are up in arms because with out the autism diagnosis, their kids wouldnt be able to receive any help from programs set up to help them.
basically it boils down to money, people dont want to increase taxes.
Some of them probably don't want to actually sit down with their own kids and help them with homework, it's easier to have an EA at school to do it for them. No, I'm not assuming most parents are like this, but you bet your butt there are plenty of lazy ones out there that push for the autism diagnosis to get "help" with them...
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"Autism Spectrum Disorder" is a bucket of bulls**t, and its incredibly expanding criteria is the only reason the ratio has moved from 1/210 to 1/88 in just a few years.
This does a huge disservice to people with REAL can't-speak head-banging autism to have everyone who's slightly socially inept to be lumped in together with them. REAL autism is a persistent figure, not rising, is incredibly rare, and deserves more research and care than we give it.
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I work with children that are fall within the autism spectrum.
It is the absolute truth that no two are the same.
The job that I and people like me do, involves a lot of dedication and hard work but it pales in comparison with everything that an autistic child's parents do and face each and every day!
You are completely out of touch if you think that you can 'order' a physician to diagnose your child with autism because they have a tantrum here or there at the age of two.
Tantrums are NORMAL at the age of two.
People with autism run the gamut from VERY verbal to no language and everything in between. But one thing they ALL have in common: problems with social communication.
Social language is not the same thing as correct language.
It includes body language (use of eye contact, hand gestures, body stance, etc.), pragmatic language (socially meaningful use of language), idioms, slang, and an ability to modulate tone, volume and prosody (ups and downs of the voice).
It also requires the speaker to correctly decide which type of speech is appropriate in a particular situation (polite at school, loud with friends, etc).
All of these skills presuppose an understanding of complex social expectations, coupled with an ability to self-modulate based on that understanding. People with autism generally lack those abilities.
The child that I work with most closely is extremely bright  Tho I am not at liberty to discuss him, I will say that our entire school day is spent being 'mindful of correct language AND social language/cues'. I have not done my job well if I have not 'taught' him what social cues mean, what is appropriate and not appropriate.
You might say that we have all have that 'training' in one fashion or another on the road to adulthood.
This is different. This is constant. This is unrelenting.
The lessons and prompting never end and my warmest thanks and admiration go out to all their parents who handle everything so graciously. 
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"Autism Spectrum Disorder" is a bucket of bulls**t, and its incredibly expanding criteria is the only reason the ratio has moved from 1/210 to 1/88 in just a few years.
This does a huge disservice to people with REAL can't-speak head-banging autism to have everyone who's slightly socially inept to be lumped in together with them. REAL autism is a persistent figure, not rising, is incredibly rare, and deserves more research and care than we give it.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but there are many of us that beg to differ based on our everyday experiences.
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but there are many of us that beg to differ based on our everyday experiences.
An inability to self-modulate should not be put into the same category as someone who needs restraints to keep from hurting themselves. Whatever is is that you're doing, even for the greater good, has not a damn thing to do with autism, and you insult truly autistic people by claiming otherwise.
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I sometimes think I have AS
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Some state passed a law that allowed anybody to drop their kids off at a fire station and the state would adopt them.
The mother of an autistic kid did that. He was getting too old and she couldn't withstand his violence and she was too poor to pay for the right kind of medical care.
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but there are many of us that beg to differ based on our everyday experiences.
An inability to self-modulate should not be put into the same category as someone who needs restraints to keep from hurting themselves. Whatever is is that you're doing, even for the greater good, has not a damn thing to do with autism, and you insult truly autistic people by claiming otherwise.
If you want to argue and troll, you have picked the wrong person...sorry
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Terminius_Est posted:
Some state passed a law that allowed anybody to drop their kids off at a fire station and the state would adopt them.
The mother of an autistic kid did that. He was getting too old and she couldn't withstand his violence and she was too poor to pay for the right kind of medical care.
Well that took balls, sad for her but doesn't seem like she had a hell of a lot more options...
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myxomatosis8 posted:
Terminius_Est posted:
Some state passed a law that allowed anybody to drop their kids off at a fire station and the state would adopt them.
The mother of an autistic kid did that. He was getting too old and she couldn't withstand his violence and she was too poor to pay for the right kind of medical care.
Well that took balls, sad for her but doesn't seem like she had a hell of a lot more options...
Very shortly after she did that the state modified the law so it only applied to newborns.
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OK murron, i will play.
we had to document for 4 years that our child would NOT participate in the state run program to assist autistic children.
the whole ordeal started when our son as a 2 year old did not speak as well as the state decides he should, followed by a stranger coming to the house and him NOT performing to her orders.
last year was the last year and there had never been a thought outside of the initial visits and diagnosis of very low level autism.
day care, preschool, doctor, K-1, not a hint of anything.
and temper tantrums for a 2 year old most certainly was one of the factors.
having refusal of treatment on file with the department of social services also bit me in the ass with court hearings involving my older son who i am the non custodial parent...i could have easily allowed my child to be labeled and helped my case with my other son as well.
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OK murron, i will play.
we had to document for 4 years that our child would NOT participate in the state run program to assist autistic children.
the whole ordeal started when our son as a 2 year old did not speak as well as the state decides he should, followed by a stranger coming to the house and him NOT performing to her orders.
last year was the last year and there had never been a thought outside of the initial visits and diagnosis of very low level autism.
day care, preschool, doctor, K-1, not a hint of anything.
and temper tantrums for a 2 year old most certainly was one of the factors.
having refusal of treatment on file with the department of social services also bit me in the ass with court hearings involving my older son who i am the non custodial parent...i could have easily allowed my child to be labeled and helped my case with my other son as well.
You make me quite glad that we never had our daughter diagnosed. She had "speech and language delay" when she was four.
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I had speech and language development problems also, used to have to take classes. I am LD in literature too, social phobia, good in math and science. If I am not AS I Shirley do have many of the symptoms
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but there are many of us that beg to differ based on our everyday experiences.
An inability to self-modulate should not be put into the same category as someone who needs restraints to keep from hurting themselves. Whatever is is that you're doing, even for the greater good, has not a damn thing to do with autism, and you insult truly autistic people by claiming otherwise.
If you want to argue and troll, you have picked the wrong person...sorry
It's not trolling when I speak truth. As for arguing... I don't think you're a bad person and I don't think that what your doing is "wrong." I think what you're doing is admirable. I simply take umbrage to you tossing around such a loaded term so lightly. Social problems are not autism.
There's an institute in Korea that tests as high as 1/37. Clearly we don't have over 2.5% of our population unable to communicate, and the definition and subsequent tests are a farce.
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They're talking about Autism in NPR now.
One in 88 US kids will get it, one in 54 boys. 
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Malrothien posted:
I read on my baby board that there is apparently a link between pitocin and autism. Not sure how true it is as I haven't done any research myself.
I did not have Pitocin with my daughter, she has Autism. I had Pitocin with all 3 of my sons, no Autism. So there goes that.
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It's 'Argue About Austism Day'
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Malrothien posted:
I read on my baby board that there is apparently a link between pitocin and autism. Not sure how true it is as I haven't done any research myself.
I did not have Pitocin with my daughter, she has Autism. I had Pitocin with all 3 of my sons, no Autism. So there goes that.
There *could* still be some correlation (although the causation may be something completely different). I haven't seen any of the research on it, but it's always a possibility. And it's not to say that everyone who had pitocin is going to have an autistic child or vice versa.
That being said, none of my three are autistic, and with two of the three I had labors induced with pitocin.
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