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I was just reading the wikipedia page about George RR Martin and a tidbit at the bottom says that he is opposed to fanfiction writing because he feels its copyright infringement and a bad exercise for aspiring writers.
What do you think?
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Parody is always allowed.
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I believe Fan Fiction is covered under parody as well.
Not to mention, I think it's a good thing for kids that are interested in writing. Anything that inspires people to do something creative 
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It's a bad exercise for writers (or anyone for that matter, lol). If they aren't selling it in any way (as if they could!), then I don't think it is copyright infringement, but I aint a lawyer.
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Jezza_Belle posted:
Anything that inspires people to do something creative
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Elmador_MoK posted:
It's a bad exercise for writers (or anyone for that matter, lol). If they aren't selling it in any way (as if they could!), then I don't think it is copyright infringement, but I aint a lawyer.
copyright infringement has nothing to do with money.
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Wouldn't fan fiction also be considered free advertising? Devil is in the details I guess.
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LadyMetropolis posted:
Wouldn't fan fiction also be considered free advertising? Devil is in the details I guess.
Not only free advertising, but an unlimited source of ideas and inspirations to the writer who actually makes money from it.
Edit: I've also known a few fanfic writers that became ghost writers as well, it's GREAT experience for that line of work.
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Parody, I strongly support (as some parodies have outshone their inspirations)...
Satire, I also strongly support as an invaluable tool to call attention to purposefully overlooked realities.
... but I tend to agree with Martin on this. There is a lack of integrity and creativity in fan fiction: it is unoriginal thought and construction, which is the most difficult part in creating something worth reading.
Fan fiction belittles and perverts the original work: look at Christians.
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ryu_masamune posted:
Parody, I strongly support (as some parodies have outshone their inspirations)...
Satire, I also strongly support as an invaluable tool to call attention to purposefully overlooked realities.
... but I tend to agree with Martin on this. There is a lack of integrity and creativity in fan fiction: it is unoriginal thought and construction, which is the most difficult part in creating something worth reading.
Fan fiction belittles and perverts the original work: look at Christians.
ON the other hand, it allows young writers to explore the art of writing itself, learning how to put stories together with solid plot lines and engaging scenes, without the worry of creating an entire world around it as well. Its very much like aspiring artists copying their favorite works. Painters are encouraged to make reproductions of master paintings, they're encouraged to go see them and inspect how the artist made their strokes, how the paint flowed onto the canvas, and to try and reproduce that... through this kind of repetition an artist can discover who their greatest inspirations are, who they wish to emulate and be influenced by.
It also fills a gap left by the writer when they can't produce quality work at a pace with the appetites of their readers. I don't think any reader believes that the fanfic stories are where the franchise is going to really go in the future, but it gives them a small piece of something to tide them over until the real thing arrives. It keeps the original author fresh in the minds of the readers, it keeps them relevant.
Any writer that has someone writing fanfic based on their work should be honored that anyone would bother.
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Elmador_MoK posted:
It's a bad exercise for writers (or anyone for that matter, lol). If they aren't selling it in any way (as if they could!), then I don't think it is copyright infringement, but I aint a lawyer.
Copyright law gives the copyright holder full control over reproduction, distribution, and derivatives of his/her works.
Now, whether it's a derivative or a parody would be the question. But beyond that, if somebody wanted to write fan fiction on one of my works, I would be fking flattered.
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i don't have to worry about supporting possible copyright infringement because i would not read it.
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Jezza_Belle posted:
ON the other hand, it allows young writers to explore the art of writing itself, learning how to put stories together with solid plot lines and engaging scenes, without the worry of creating an entire world around it as well. Its very much like aspiring artists copying their favorite works. Painters are encouraged to make reproductions of master paintings, they're encouraged to go see them and inspect how the artist made their strokes, how the paint flowed onto the canvas, and to try and reproduce that... through this kind of repetition an artist can discover who their greatest inspirations are, who they wish to emulate and be influenced by.
It also fills a gap left by the writer when they can't produce quality work at a pace with the appetites of their readers. I don't think any reader believes that the fanfic stories are where the franchise is going to really go in the future, but it gives them a small piece of something to tide them over until the real thing arrives. It keeps the original author fresh in the minds of the readers, it keeps them relevant.
Any writer that has someone writing fanfic based on their work should be honored that anyone would bother.
To an extent - yes, musicians, painters, etc, study from and draw inspiration from great artists that came before them: and are often tasked with trying to emulate the creation as a form of understanding it. And a number of masterful artists openly discuss their heroes and the giants that came before them that they drew inspiration from: however, they became skilled and acclaimed by making a work their own. Lots of singers did Hallelujah before Jeff Buckley - and he certainly didn't write it: but he absolutely made it his own.
Also, as a matter of course, students and aspiring artists are doing something much different that Fan Fic writers - they aren't publishing their works, and I really think that's where the fine line is. Fan Fictions couldn't exist if they weren't broadcast, but rather turned in for review or shared within a writers group or whatnot for inputs. Otherwise it would be called a project or more aptly: homework.
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Didn't this come up a few years ago when a fan of J K Rowling wrote an atlas/creature appendix for her Potter series and she put the kaibosh on it?
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AkagiyamaMissile posted:
Didn't this come up a few years ago when a fan of J K Rowling wrote an atlas/creature appendix for her Potter series and she put the kaibosh on it?
that's not exactly fan fiction
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Martin is such an enormous douche.
It's such a strange thing for him to be against, as his Wild Cards series was essentially created by fan fiction, although I guess since the "fans" in question included a number of well known authors, that made it all right or something....
For the record, I don't think fan fiction is copyright infringement and also think any author against it is probably a jerk. Fan fiction can certainly be a way for aspiring authors to hone their ability and, if they happen to be fans of talented authors, learn how to write.
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Serious fan fiction is technically a copyright infringement, since it's not meant as a parody/satire. There are definitely some fanfics that would fall under the parody umbrella, though.
That being said, I personally view it like some others do- I'd be highly flattered if people were writing fanfic based off my books.
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It's not good. Make up your own damned story and stop biting off other people's work.
On the other hand, IT MIGHT BE THE ONLY DAMN WAY WE WILL SEE GAME OF THRONES FINISHED!!!
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The Marion Zimmer Bradley incident scared a lot of authors into fearing that fan fic authors could wrestle some of intellectual property rights away from the original author
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Why would a money making professional writer complain about fan fiction, or people writing fan fiction of his creations? I mean really fan fiction is what reminds everyone why exactly the pay to read the real competent professional writers stuff in the first place. You don't bitch anywhere near as much about having to pay $30 US for one of GRRM's works after reading a couple of pages of fan written deranged ravings.
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Allmightybob_MLF posted:
The Marion Zimmer Bradley incident scared a lot of authors into fearing that fan fic authors could wrestle some of intellectual property rights away from the original author
I read that wiki, it appears the problem was with Bradley not wanting to give the real author a byline. She apparently wasn't able to write on her own at the time, and had been using ghost writers or doing collaborations.
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I was just reading the wikipedia page about George RR Martin and a tidbit at the bottom says that he is opposed to fanfiction writing because he feels its copyright infringement and a bad exercise for aspiring writers.
What do you think?
If true, Martin is an idiot, on multiple aspects of the topic.
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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
Jezza_Belle posted:
Anything that inspires people to do something creative
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fan fiction star wars movies blows away the newer trilogy
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whats next, Cosplay as copywright infringement?
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I personally wouldn't want someone taking my ideas and writing their own story about it, especially if they suck at writing, but I don't think it's copyright infringement and I doubt there's anything they can do about it.
I just wonder who reads it. Even my very favorite books I can't imagine reading fan fiction of it.
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I personally wouldn't want someone taking my ideas and writing their own story about it, especially if they suck at writing, but I don't think it's copyright infringement and I doubt there's anything they can do about it.
I just wonder who reads it. Even my very favorite books I can't imagine reading fan fiction of it.
there is a LOT of harry potter fan fiction, and a lot of it is collaborated stories where someone starts it off, and people add to it.
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