Bowlartz posted:

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I deny reality. If I pretend long enough maybe it will go away.

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paulg_68 posted:

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The most important thing to remember about Zimmerman is that he is armed and stupid.

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Bowlartz posted:

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There won't be a trial. They don't have any evidence contradicting Zimmerman. They tried and are still trying to "find" witnesses that will tell them what they want to hear.

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paulg_68 posted:

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The most important thing to remember about Zimmerman is that he isn't white.

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cabbyman posted:

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2) If Zimmerman's actions seven years ago are relevant does that mean Trayvon's actions (drugs, suspension, etc...) are relevant?

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SirGarth posted:

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cabbyman posted:

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2) If Zimmerman's actions seven years ago are relevant does that mean Trayvon's actions (drugs, suspension, etc...) are relevant?

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only if you're really desperate to defend Zimmerman - Trayvon wasn't doing anything illegal, and did not seek out the confrontation with Zimmerman. Zimmerman, on the other hand, acted irrationally in following and confronting Trayvon and exhibits a clear pattern of behavior.

there's a reason the 911 operator didn't want Zimmerman to follow Trayvon, and it led to the worst-case scenario and will make Zimmerman the poster case for the wrong way to be in a neighborhood watch. after that call he switched from responsible neighborhood watch member to charles bronson wannabe, and it cost Trayvon his life for no reason.

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cabbyman posted:

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Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch person. He was supposed to do what he did.

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cabbyman posted:

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SirGarth posted:

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cabbyman posted:

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2) If Zimmerman's actions seven years ago are relevant does that mean Trayvon's actions (drugs, suspension, etc...) are relevant?

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only if you're really desperate to defend Zimmerman - Trayvon wasn't doing anything illegal, and did not seek out the confrontation with Zimmerman. Zimmerman, on the other hand, acted irrationally in following and confronting Trayvon and exhibits a clear pattern of behavior.

there's a reason the 911 operator didn't want Zimmerman to follow Trayvon, and it led to the worst-case scenario and will make Zimmerman the poster case for the wrong way to be in a neighborhood watch. after that call he switched from responsible neighborhood watch member to charles bronson wannabe, and it cost Trayvon his life for no reason.

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Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch person. He was supposed to do what he did.

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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I don't really care about this either way except that I want to see justice done. At this point, I think it would be best if there's a trial, even if they find the guy Not Guilty. Everyone involved would benefit from a trial, IMO. This guy doesn't want this hanging over his head if he isn't guilty, and should fear a trial if he is.

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Groucho48 posted:

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Bowlartz posted:

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There won't be a trial. They don't have any evidence contradicting Zimmerman. They tried and are still trying to "find" witnesses that will tell them what they want to hear.

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Which story of Zimmerman's do they have to contradict? The first story that he told police...that he had gotten out of his truck to check the street signs and Martin jumped him? Or, the story he is now going with...that he had followed Martin for a while, given up, and was walking back to his truck when Martin jumped him?

The guy was lying to police in at least one of those stories. Which means he has no credibility at all.

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SirGarth posted:

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cabbyman posted:

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2) If Zimmerman's actions seven years ago are relevant does that mean Trayvon's actions (drugs, suspension, etc...) are relevant?

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only if you're really desperate to defend Zimmerman - Trayvon wasn't doing anything illegal, and did not seek out the confrontation with Zimmerman. Zimmerman, on the other hand, acted irrationally in following and confronting Trayvon and exhibits a clear pattern of behavior.

there's a reason the 911 operator didn't want Zimmerman to follow Trayvon, and it led to the worst-case scenario and will make Zimmerman the poster case for the wrong way to be in a neighborhood watch. after that call he switched from responsible neighborhood watch member to charles bronson wannabe, and it cost Trayvon his life for no reason.

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cabbyman posted:

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A couple things:

2) If Zimmerman's actions seven years ago are relevant does that mean Trayvon's actions (drugs, suspension, etc...) are relevant?

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-Espiritu- posted:

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Nobody commenting in this thread, including me, actually knows what happened.

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theredkay1 posted:

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cabbyman posted:

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A couple things:

2) If Zimmerman's actions seven years ago are relevant does that mean Trayvon's actions (drugs, suspension, etc...) are relevant?

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What would that tell us about this incident? Does Trayvon have a history of attacking people who happen to be walking behind him?

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ineenia posted:

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obsessed with making contact with the police (59 calls to the police in about as many days)

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Tych2 posted:

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ineenia posted:

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obsessed with making contact with the police (59 calls to the police in about as many days)

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Isn't that his job? Especially if he lived in a crappy neighborhood. I don't understand this line of criticism.

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Tych2 posted:

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ineenia posted:

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obsessed with making contact with the police (59 calls to the police in about as many days)

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Isn't that his job? Especially if he lived in a crappy neighborhood. I don't understand this line of criticism.

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ineenia posted:

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And I wouldn't exactly call his neighborhood/Gated comunity "The hood" lol..It is florida and it is a neighbor hood where seeing a black child raises the alarm among the neighborhood watch.

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ineenia posted:

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Tych2 posted:

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ineenia posted:

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obsessed with making contact with the police (59 calls to the police in about as many days)

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Isn't that his job? Especially if he lived in a crappy neighborhood. I don't understand this line of criticism.

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By itself I would agree but I think it helps paint an image with some of the other things we know.

And I wouldn't exactly call his neighborhood/Gated comunity "The hood" lol..It is florida and it is a neighbor hood where seeing a black child raises the alarm among the neighborhood watch.

pictures of a couple houses in "The Retreat at Twin Lakes"

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cabbyman posted:

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Tych2 posted:

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ineenia posted:

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obsessed with making contact with the police (59 calls to the police in about as many days)

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Isn't that his job? Especially if he lived in a crappy neighborhood. I don't understand this line of criticism.

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The list of calls he placed that I saw was over a multi-year period of time.

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cabbyman posted:

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I have been right about every single thing I've said with regards to this case.

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cabbyman posted:

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Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch person. He was supposed to do what he did.

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ineenia posted:

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cabbyman posted:

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I have been right about every single thing I've said with regards to this case.

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I didn't even have to leave the page to prove you wrong.

cabbyman posted:

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Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch person. He was supposed to do what he did.

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No he was not,neighborhood watches report suspicious behavior to the police,they do not chase or follow people,they do not confront people,they don't carry weapons,and they don't kill the neighborhood teenagers,they also don't lie to the police.

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the_great_intex posted:

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Thankfully Rosanne Barr is going to teach him a lesson!!!

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Bowlartz posted:

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"You will add your "eyes and ears" to those of the Police Department which cannot be everywhere, all the time, by keeping a watchful eye and open ear to what is happening in your neighborhood. You will extend their ability to provide security by reporting anything unusual or suspicious, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, so they can follow up on your leads. What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.

Pg. 15 #10 - Do not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the Police Department

His following is taking a risk, and getting physically involved, which is exactly why the 911 dispatcher told him to not do it. His "job" as a neighborhood watch person ended the moment after he called 911."



None of this is relevant if Zimmerman was merely trying to keep an eye on someone suspicious until police arrive...from a distance...loses sight of the someone and starts going back to their car only to be approached and confronted (note I used confronted not assaulted) by this person.

No one has any evidence that it did not play out this way or any other way as a matter of fact, this is the main thing driving the rampant speculation and side choosing.

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Tych2 posted:

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We should find out where he lives and bring a rope to the nearest tree. We all know he is guilty of something. String em up.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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I prefer doing what the mob dictates over our present legal system. In fact why investigate at all when people are outraged?

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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Naturally. It's not even worth the effort. Nevermind that someone is dead. The community is in an uproar. And it's gained international attention on our and Florida's law enforcement systems.

Yes, let's just ignore it or sweep it under the rug. That's been super successful so far.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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At this point, all I want to see is his arrest and the matter put to trial. All this speculation is nothing more than that. And some of you, Cabby, have gone into the realm of Disneyland with your extreme excuses.

And yes, Twitter is a great judge of character. Heck, with that kind of logic, most of you here are brain dead at worst or infantile morons at best if we use the postings here as an indicator.

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Orwyn_Blackheart posted:

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Tych2 posted:

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We should find out where he lives and bring a rope to the nearest tree. We all know he is guilty of something. String em up.

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how come, when i first came up with this idea a while back, you said there was laws against lynching ?]



how come you are suddenly in favour of hanging him?

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SoBaKi posted:

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SirGarth posted:

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cabbyman posted:

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2) If Zimmerman's actions seven years ago are relevant does that mean Trayvon's actions (drugs, suspension, etc...) are relevant?

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only if you're really desperate to defend Zimmerman - Trayvon wasn't doing anything illegal, and did not seek out the confrontation with Zimmerman. Zimmerman, on the other hand, acted irrationally in following and confronting Trayvon and exhibits a clear pattern of behavior.

there's a reason the 911 operator didn't want Zimmerman to follow Trayvon, and it led to the worst-case scenario and will make Zimmerman the poster case for the wrong way to be in a neighborhood watch. after that call he switched from responsible neighborhood watch member to charles bronson wannabe, and it cost Trayvon his life for no reason.

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This is all that need be said. Case closed.

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Bowlartz posted:

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"Martin had a legal right to stand his ground and defend himself"

What evidence do you have that he did this and didn't follow Zimmerman towards his car, confronting him and then assaulting him?

That's right, there is none. He would be in jail if this was the case. The police have been desperate to find evidence that would allow them to arrest him and charge him. They have even been caught on the record trying to lead witnesses to say Zimmerman just killed him.

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_Gimpzilla_ posted:

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Zimmerman made himself responsible the second he got out of his car and started following Martin. Martin had a legal right to stand his ground and defend himself against an unidentified man who got out of an unmarked vehicle and was stalking him.

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