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http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/29/10921391-spike-lee-apologizes-to-florida-couple-for-retweeting-their-address

Film director Spike Lee has apologized to a Florida couple after he retweeted an address that was described as the home of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who shot Trayvon Martin.

The mistake forced David and Elaine McClain, a couple in their 70s whose home is about four miles from where Martin was killed, to flee to a hotel.

The McClains demanded an apology of Lee, who has nearly 250,000 followers on Twitter.

Could they sue for harassment?

 

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I am sure you can, and should, find shark lawyers who would take the case on contingecy for the publicity alone.

Sue him until he screams imo. Criminal charges might not be a stretch....even if it was the right address what was homey thinking?

 

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I sure hope so. Someone with 200,000 friends can make a mess of someones elses life.

 

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Badjar speaks true. He tweeted that address knowing the bounty was issued, despite it being the wrong address. Even an average DA could twist that into charges.

I hope the couple sue him into poverty.

 

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It's funny how people love to complain about lawyers but their first instinct in every situation is to urge people to sue, usually over stuff that it makes no sense to sue over.

There is also this hillarious idea among lay people that the caliber of the lawyer matters when it comes to the law. "Even an average DA could work up into charges." That isn't how things work. Filing charges isn't some elaborate art form where exceptional lawyers can find all sorts of holes and hidden gems no one else can. Perry Mason isn't gonna do all that much different a job than ET.



 

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They were receiving death threats and stuff. That's gotta be pretty scary as an elderly couple who probably didn't know wtf was going on.

 

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What a douche.

 

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Sue the moron.

This is what civil suits are for. They should get the cost of their phone/service switchover covered, installation & monitoring of security systems, many thousands for the annoyance, lawyers fees, a well-publicized retraction ad about the address being wrong, and some amount of punitive ($20k?) for putting their home and property in danger. Also, a standing warrant to draw on him for any expenses from attacking the property that occur over the next 2-3 years.


 

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It's funny how people love to complain about lawyers but their first instinct in every situation is to urge people to sue, usually over stuff that it makes no sense to sue over.

Unless you allow vengeance then it's a civilized person's only recourse. If not I am cool with the people hiring a hit man to take him out. mischief

Lawyers are a necessary evil.

 

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We have such a litigious society because everyone's first response to anything is "sue em!"

And then these very same people act shocked and stunned when people sue businesses when they slip and fall or run out of chicken nuggets or whatever else.

You get the society you deserve.

This is not something to sue over. If Spike Lee isn't a douche he'll probably offer to pay for any expenses they had but there's no reason to go to court over something like this.

 

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What a douche.

 

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laugh @ Yuki

 

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Yukishiro1 posted:
We have such a litigious society because everyone's first response to anything is "sue em!"

And then these very same people act shocked and stunned when people sue businesses when they slip and fall or run out of chicken nuggets or whatever else.

You get the society you deserve.

This is not something to sue over. If Spike Lee isn't a douche he'll probably offer to pay for any expenses they had but there's no reason to go to court over something like this.



And the opposite to suing someone is in a situation like this is......?


 

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There is also this hillarious idea among lay people that the caliber of the lawyer matters when it comes to the law.

That is almost sig worthy. I wish I thought you were joking.

 

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The law doesn't change. Perry Mason doesn't have a seperate set of law books with different laws in them.

Lawyers matter mainly when it comes to building cases and persuading juries. They fight over the facts because that's where 95% of cases are decided. The law is not usually much of an issue.

Good lawyers are good lawyers because they're good at getting the facts together and presenting them effectively. Not because they're good at looking up laws and finding some ridiculous loophole no one else has ever thought of.

 

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And the opposite to suing someone is in a situation like this is......?





Getting over it? The guy posted a prominent retraction, as he should have. He'll probably offer to pay any expenses they have, which should be pretty small.

In any rational society that would be the end of it.

 

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Still I wish I had not hired the divorce lawyer I did!!

 

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I'd say this is a prime example of when to sue and I don't like the way people sue all then time.

 

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Yukishiro1 posted:
We have such a litigious society because everyone's first response to anything is "sue em!"

And then these very same people act shocked and stunned when people sue businesses when they slip and fall or run out of chicken nuggets or whatever else.

You get the society you deserve.

This is not something to sue over. If Spike Lee isn't a douche he'll probably offer to pay for any expenses they had but there's no reason to go to court over something like this.


Uhm... with the exception of the small punitive amount (tiny for someone like Spike Lee... barely a parking ticket to him...) that's pretty much what I said he should fork over. Reasonable security precautions he has now made necessary, and, basic expenses that have happened or will happen as a result. I was just more detailed in the line-items.

If they achieve that through settlement, all the better.

 

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And if you were old and frail you'd think when you fall down in a store is a great time to sue the store too.

Americans are such pussies. Every little thing is a reason to go running down to the Courthouse, even if nothing really happened, just because!111

If anything bad really happened to them Spike Lee should offer to help pay for it, not because of the law but because it'd be the right thing to do. If nothing bad has happened - and it presumably hasn't, or the story would have carried it - it's time to get over it.

 

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The law doesn't change. Perry Mason doesn't have a seperate set of law books with different laws in them.
Not a single criminal has ever gone to prison by being prosecuted by the police. Good DA's get a trial all the way across the finish line to a guilty verdict. Good defense lawyers get their man off.
The caliber of attorney means everything in a courtroom, up to and including cases that contain a 'smoking gun'
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Suing should ALSO teach a lesson to Spike Lee.

 

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Reasonable security precautions he has now made necessary


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How about just posting a sign saying "no, this isn't where Zimmerman lives, Spike Lee was wrong, see his tweet @suchandsuch"

It's not like they need to live in a bunker for the rest of their lives or anything.

Spike Lee wasn't even the one who strated the misinformation. All he did was quote what someone else said. There was clearly no malice involved. It CERTAINLY isn't a case of punitive damages.

 

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Suing should ALSO teach a lesson to Spike Lee.


Jesus christ this is just what I'm talking about. The Courthouse isn't the place you go to "teach someone a lesson." The judge's role isn't to sit there and babysit a bunch of 7 year olds.

Courts exist to solve real problems. Not to spank the bad kid.

I am quite confident Spike Lee knows he screwed up. I don't think we need to waste tons of taxpayer money to get an official pronouncement.

 

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Suing should ALSO teach a lesson to Spike Lee.


Jesus christ this is just what I'm talking about. The Courthouse isn't the place you go to "teach someone a lesson."
It is for me. wink Your job is to do my bidding and when I am done with you we'll part company and you'll have more pocket change as will I and someone will learn a valuable lesson!

 

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that prick should do the right thing and dive on a samurai sword to get his honor back.

 

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Reasonable security precautions he has now made necessary


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How about just posting a sign saying "no, this isn't where Zimmerman lives, Spike Lee was wrong, see his tweet @suchandsuch". It's not like they need to live in a bunker for the rest of their lives or anything.


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Get over it, man. An alarm system with some wireless vid cameras is maybe $600 installed. Monitoring maybe $20 a month. (I pay $12). And not 'rest of their lives.' As I said, for 2-ish years until this blows over.

As for reasonableness... do you READ about the stupid that people do out there in the world? At all?

 

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Perry Mason isn't gonna do all that much different a job than ET.




Legal research and writing tho

 

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Not a single criminal has ever gone to prison by being prosecuted by the police. Good DA's get a trial all the way across the finish line to a guilty verdict. Good defense lawyers get their man off.


Uh so just like I said, good lawyers matter because of how they build their cases and present the facts. Not because they have some super secret law book that tells them how to invent new laws to charge people under.

 

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You are the only person in the thread talking about new laws.

 

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Get over it, man. An alarm system with some wireless vid cameras is maybe $600 installed. Monitoring maybe $20 a month. (I pay $12). And not 'rest of their lives.' As I said, for 2-ish years until this blows over.


It's presumably already blown over. But regardless, suing over 600 bucks is pretty retarded. And honestly a sign saying "no, this isn't the house, go here to see spike lee saying it isn't the house" is probably gonna be a lot more effective than a video camera and alarm system. What's that gonna do?

 

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Badjar speaks true. He tweeted that address knowing the bounty was issued, despite it being the wrong address. Even an average DA could twist that into charges.


This is your original stupid statement. You don't have to be a skilled DA to file charges. You just type some crap up on a paper. ET could do it.

Telling someone where someone lives isn't a crime BTW. Nor is getting it wrong.

 

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Telling someone where someone lives isn't a crime BTW. Nor is getting it wrong.

laugh Do you think he was just being helpful and giving directions.. that was his intent!

 

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nd honestly a sign saying "no, this isn't the house, go here to see spike lee saying it isn't the house" is probably gonna be a lot more effective than a video camera and alarm system. What's that gonna do?


Ah. So you've regressed all the way back to elementary school in defense of your stupid today? Fine. I have time.

What does a security system like I described, with video cameras, usually do? It's OK. Take your time. Use small words.




 

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So if this was Yuki's parents, it would be peachy keen.
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Even if he gave out the info hoping someone would go commit a crime there it wouldn't be a crime.

 

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So if this was Yuki's parents, it would be peachy keen.
doh!


No, but my first instinct wouldn't be to try to sue someone. I would probably call them up and ask them if they wanna come stay with me for a couple days if it'd make them feel safer, but that there's probably not much to worry about.

Americans have a bad reputation around the world because of threads like this. The first thing to do when you have a problem is not to try to figure out who you can sue. Especially when that person has already made a public apology and as far as we know no real harm was done.

People in Japan often ask me why Americans try to sue everyone over everything. I usually try to explain that most Americans arn't actually like that, and it's just the bad apples who stand out. This thread is making me reconsider.

 

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I wish the hate mongers would think before they act. Then again, they would not be hate mongers if they did much thinking.

 

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Badjar speaks true. He tweeted that address knowing the bounty was issued, despite it being the wrong address. Even an average DA could twist that into charges.
This is your original stupid statement. You don't have to be a skilled DA to file charges. You just type some crap up on a paper. ET could do it.

Right, caliber of the attorney is irrelevant. silly

 

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I think you just proved my point. That DA managed to file charges just fine. Despite being probably ET-level stupid.

 

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Spike Lee has reached an agreement with the Florida couple forced to flee their home after the film director retweeted their home address and they fled to a hotel to avoid problems associated with the shooting of Trayvon Martin, it was announced Thursday.

Elaine and David McClain, in their 70s, left their Sanford, Fla., home after their address was tweeted by a man who thought he had found the home of George Zimmerman, the 28-year-old who shot Martin, 17. Lee then retweeted the McClains’ address to his followers on Twitter.

The McClains have a son, William George Zimmerman, who is not related to the George Zimmerman who shot Martin and whose arrest is being sought by Martin’s family and civil rights supporters.

“The McClains’ claim is fully resolved,” Matt Morgan, their attorney, said in an email. “Mr. Lee personally called them to give a very heartfelt apology. Further, he agreed to compensate them for their loss and the disruption to their lives.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-lee-settlement-20120329,0,7063902.story

 

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No one changed any law to get them filed. Most everyone is speaking of a competent attorney to win a civil case for some modest damages. I concur with that.
I also said that a talented DA could find a way to charge him with something minor beyond civil.
And a talented DA could. But that will never happen due to race, celebrity, connections, etc of Spike Lee

 

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Excellent Vydor, thanks.

Any bets that it is substantially what I mentioned, excepting the 'punitive' part is instead just a 'disruption cost'?

 

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Spike Lee has reached an agreement with the Florida couple forced to flee their home after the film director retweeted their home address and they fled to a hotel to avoid problems associated with the shooting of Trayvon Martin, it was announced Thursday.

Elaine and David McClain, in their 70s, left their Sanford, Fla., home after their address was tweeted by a man who thought he had found the home of George Zimmerman, the 28-year-old who shot Martin, 17. Lee then retweeted the McClains’ address to his followers on Twitter.

The McClains have a son, William George Zimmerman, who is not related to the George Zimmerman who shot Martin and whose arrest is being sought by Martin’s family and civil rights supporters.

“The McClains’ claim is fully resolved,” Matt Morgan, their attorney, said in an email. “Mr. Lee personally called them to give a very heartfelt apology. Further, he agreed to compensate them for their loss and the disruption to their lives.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-lee-settlement-20120329,0,7063902.story



Sounds like he stepped up and did the right thing.

 

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“The McClains’ claim is fully resolved,” Matt Morgan, their attorney, said in an email. “Mr. Lee personally called them to give a very heartfelt apology. Further, he agreed to compensate them for their loss and the disruption to their lives.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-lee-settlement-20120329,0,7063902.story


So basically things turned out how I suggested. I am glad to see they were more sensible than all of you. I am also glad Lee was sensible enough not to try to fight them, even though by the letter of the law I doubt he owed them anything.

It is sorta sad lawyers had to become involved at all but I guess that's what you get in this society. People can't work out their problems on their own any more.

 

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So basically things turned out how I suggested. I am glad to see they were more sensible than all of you.


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95% of medical stuff any reasonably experienced layman could do. Back in the day, when I was an orderly working in the ER, after a few months, I could figure out what was going on with a patient just as quickly as the doctor. It's the other 5% where a good doctor would make a difference over an average or poor doctor. I'm sure it is pretty much the same with lawyers. Oftentimes with lawyers, it matters more how much time they can devote to your case rather than how good they are. Unless you are in some area where you have to invent some incredible new interpretation of the law, it is much better to have an average lawyer who can devote 20 hours a week to your case than a great lawyer who can only devote an hour.


 

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Yukishiro1 posted:
So basically things turned out how I suggested. I am glad to see they were more sensible than all of you.

monkey
All of us said Lee was in the wrong and owed the old people something.
Spike Lee apparently agreed with us.
We have learned that Spike Lee is smarter than thought to be, and Yuki is a dumdum head.

 

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I guess I have to change my opinion of Lee slightly... im suprised he did the right thing but I am glad he did.

 

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This is not something to sue over. If Spike Lee isn't a douche he'll probably offer to pay for any expenses they had but there's no reason to go to court over something like this.



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This isn't something to go to court over! Lee has offered to pay for any expenses we had.


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Our entire legal system is in place because people will do the right thing!

 

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People worked out their problems without needing a judge to hold their hands? There isn't enough government in this solution for my liking!

 

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I don't want this to turn into a moe/dae_trist style love fest (without the racism). So I will bow out now, having unfurled my "mission accomplished" banner.

 

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Well it was Spike Lee who said "Do the right thing". Glad he did it. applause

 

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The courts are a place for me to exact revenge on people that I dislike. mischief



 

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The courts are a place for me to exact revenge on people that I dislike. mischief




Haha oh man there is nothing a judge hates more than people with that attitude. If you ever do get into Court I suggest you do your best to hide that desire from whoever is the judge on your case. grin

 

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I am a good actor and have an awesome attorney! It's too bad in my 49 years I've never had to sue anyone for anything. wink

Court is still my play thing though and you can't do anything about it!! tongue

 

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Actually sometimes judges get really mad and do do something about it. It doesn't happen often but sometimes they put people on those "frivolous litigant" lists where they don't allow you file any claims any more without getting written permission first, and sometimes they fine people too for wasting the Court's time. grin

 

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It's their job! Just do it!

 

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MatrexMistwalker posted:
im suprised he did the right thing


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097216/

 

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And that's why you don't post addresses period.

 

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What a douche.

 

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