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Jordan like Iran ( and unlike Israel ) are members of the NPT which allows members to pursue peaceful nuclear ambitions ... so why is Jordan not be as reviled as Iran for pursuing the same goal as Iran ???
http://www.haaretz.com/news/france-to-aid-jordan-in-realizing-nuclear-ambitions-1.266041
Visiting French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said Sunday his country will help Jordan realize its nuclear ambitions with the signing of an agreement Sunday to mine its uranium reserves.
Jordan's peaceful nuclear development - backed by the United States - will generate electricity and desalinate water.
The Jordanian government said it hoped nuclear energy will provide 30 percent of the country's electricity by 2030.
Last year, Jordan's King Abdullah II told Haaretz of Jordan's plan to build nuclear power plants, saying that "what Jordan is going to do through its peaceful nuclear energy program is show the region how a country that wants to develop nuclear energy for peaceful purposes [can] do it right."
"The reactors we are looking at are Generation III-plus, which is by far the safest and most capable technology. It is safe from earthquakes, natural disasters, terrorist attacks. The technology we are looking at is one, if not two, generations ahead of what you have. We will, and we all should, be transparent when it comes to nuclear energy," Abdullah told Haaretz.
When asked when this transparency also applies to neighboring Israel, Abdullah said: "Everybody. The problem that we have when it comes to the nuclear issue is that there is no transparency."
"It's sort of a dark subject. And that applies to Israel as it applies to other countries. I think we are trying to be the model of how to do the process correctly," Abdullah said.
Last year, Jordan signed a nuclear energy cooperation agreement with Russia, according to which Moscow will provide the Hashemite Kingdom with power plants, nuclear research facilities, and training centers.
"We intend to cooperate in building nuclear power plants... and plan to build four plants in Jordan in the coming decades," Sergei Kiriyenko, the head of Russia's state nuclear corporation, told the RIA Novosti news agency.
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And here I thought Jorrdan was such a nice girl. What a shame.
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Jordan is a much more stable and peaceful country.
Plus the Saudis don't hate them.
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Were also going to help Iran until Iran went all Iran.
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Brother_Tempus posted:
... so why is Jordan not be as reviled as Iran for pursuing the same goal as Iran ???
Because nuclear power is not the same goal as nuclear weapons?
You really are a moron ya know that?
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Maybe we are helping Jordan because they aren't one of the "death to..." Middle East countries.
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The difference is that when Jordan says they only want nuclear power and not weapons they are actually telling the truth.
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Despite being heavily inspected no evidence has been produced to show that Iran is lying.
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Obama says there's evidence. Is he lying because he's a warmonger?
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Possibly.
It wouldn't the first time a President has done that.
If there is a case to be made then the evidence should be presented.
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Why? Because you're curious?
Should we put the lives of countless spies at risk to satisfy your curiosity?
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Are those spies' lives worth more than the lives of innocent Iranians and U.S. Soldiers that would die for something that hasn't been proven?
I don't think so.
If you want to send someone's child off to war then make your case. I will not take your word for it.
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"Jordan's peaceful nuclear development"
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Allstarslacker posted:
Are those spies' lives worth more than the lives of innocent Iranians and U.S. Soldiers that would die for something that hasn't been proven?
Proven to who? You?
You don't make the decision. Your only interest is curiosity.
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Proven to the people on both sides who are going to die for it.
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Why?
Curiosity?
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Koneg posted:
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... so why is Jordan not be as reviled as Iran for pursuing the same goal as Iran ???
Because nuclear power is not the same goal as nuclear weapons
There is no evidence of nuclear weapons in Iran .. So your accusation is false and my original question still stands
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Jordan like Iran ( and unlike Israel ) are members of the NPT which allows members to pursue peaceful nuclear ambitions ... so why is Jordan not be as reviled as Iran for pursuing the same goal as Iran ???
You really don't know the multiple answers for this? Seriously? 
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"Jordan's peaceful nuclear development"
The Charlotte Bobcats will always suck no matter how much the US and France help
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There is no evidence of nuclear weapons in Iran
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They are accused of pursuing the development of a nuclear weapons program - not that they actually have one yet you retard.
The difference:
Jordan: Wants to develop a nuclear energy program.
Iran : Wants to develop a nuclear weapons program.
See the critical difference there? It's only one word, but it explains why everyone is willing to help Jordan and not Iran.
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I agree. But at the same time, who really needs a weapon to destroy that much? No country should possess such a weapon. I mean one flick of a button and millions could die, innocent and combatants. Its too risky. But then again soldiers and missles kill both combatants and noncombatants too :/
If its only for energy then by all means. But who knows if it pursue weapons later on? Its a tough call to make.
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Jordan has been trying to live peacefully with its neighbors including saudi and Israel for quite some time... Iran has publicly stated it would like to destory its neighbors...
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paulg_68 posted:
The difference is that when Jordan says they only want nuclear power and not weapons they are actually telling the truth.
Uh, I'm sure Jordan wants nukes. Almost any country would.
I agree they are not likely to try to actually make them, though.
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I agree. But at the same time, who really needs a weapon to destroy that much? No country should possess such a weapon. I mean one flick of a button and millions could die, innocent and combatants. Its too risky.
You're right. Enough is enough. I'm tired of all the nukes going off and killing millions every other week for the last 65 years. They're entirely too risky...
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I don't think anyone doubts that Iran would like to have nukes. But, the consensus intelligence assessment for the last few years is that Iran is not actively pursuing production of nuclear weapons and that, if it does change its mind, we will have plenty of time to deal with the situation.
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I dont care
That region will be nuclear glass one day
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... so why is Jordan not be as reviled as Iran for pursuing the same goal as Iran ???
Because nuclear power is not the same goal as nuclear weapons
There is no evidence of nuclear weapons in Iran .. So your accusation is false and my original question still stands
Considering they were refining their nuclear material THOUSANDS of times beyond what was needed for fuel (which is what you need for bombs) I'd say that stood as at least "reasonable suspicion" brah.
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Jordan like Iran
Jordan is nothing like Iran.
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Friarspam posted:
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[quote=Brother_Tempus] ... so why is Jordan not be as reviled as Iran for pursuing the same goal as Iran ???
Because nuclear power is not the same goal as nuclear weapons
There is no evidence of nuclear weapons in Iran .. So your accusation is false and my original question still stands
Considering they were refining their nuclear material THOUSANDS of times beyond what was needed for fuel (which is what you need for bombs) I'd say that stood as at least "reasonable suspicion" brah.[/quote]
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You're right. Enough is enough. I'm tired of all the nukes going off and killing millions every other week for the last 65 years. They're entirely too risky...
Well no one builds nukes without foreseeing it being used one day. Be it for defensive or offensive purposes. The point is no one really needs them. It has no respect for life, its designed to lay waste to mass areas full of both combatants and noncombatants. The same with biological weapons. They are unnecessary to possess if the intent to use them one day is not there.
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[quote=Koneg][quote=Brother_Tempus] ... so why is Jordan not be as reviled as Iran for pursuing the same goal as Iran ???
Because nuclear power is not the same goal as nuclear weapons
There is no evidence of nuclear weapons in Iran .. So your accusation is false and my original question still stands
Considering they were refining their nuclear material THOUSANDS of times beyond what was needed for fuel (which is what you need for bombs) I'd say that stood as at least "reasonable suspicion" brah.[/quote]
Link, please? [/quote]
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/30/us-nuclear-iran-talks-idUSBRE82T0W220120330
They are at 20%. Still not at levels to produce a bomb but far beyond what is needed for fuel. The only explanation for refining it to 20% and beyond is weapons. They do not deny their enrichment levels.
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So, 20% is "thousands of times" more than what they need?
Do you know why they are refining it to 20%? Because that is what you need for medical purposes. For weapons grade you need 90+%.
As far as I can tell, there is no need to refine it past 20% except if you are going for weapons, so, yes, if they continue to refine the 20% grade, I will agree they are up to no good.
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