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Does Florida's "stand your ground" law have any effect on federal murder charges being able to be charged? And are the special circumstances that have to be met for murder to be charged on a federal level?
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outpost lawyers work at hardees and the auto shop. You'd be better off googling it. It's what I do.
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ineenia you seem obsessed with this case.
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For the feds to prosecute someone for murder they need to be in fed jurisdiction.
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ineenia is some kind of degenerate shut in I think. I thought he was old but he claims he's not. So now I just think he's a social outcast who orders meals on wheels for the company and watches a lot of fox news and rages over it so he feels some emotion other than profound emo sadness.
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The only time I look at this case is when I log on here,but ya it kinda gets my passions going.The idea that some cop wanna be can chase down and harass a kid not doing a damn thing wrong to the point that he either shot him in cold blood or caused him to defend himself and them shot him and get away with it erks me...and then to hear the racist cowards try to portray him as a victim him really gets me going.
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ineenia posted: Does Florida's "stand your ground" law have any effect on federal murder charges being able to be charged? And are the special circumstances that have to be met for murder to be charged on a federal level?
1. No, state law never trumps federal law and the Constitution trumps federal. There is some debate as to what applies if certain criteria happen, but that question goes before a court of judges to include the Supreme Court. 2. Right now, the Federal Government is involved in the case since the state has failed to meet the requirements demanded from the public. So much so, the Chief of Police has stepped with his own reasoning involved. Right now, I'll guess the federal prosecutors and their people are researching the merits of the case if they should choose to press for a conviction. Being this is a high profile case, I know they don't want to drop the ball on this one after so many other high profile cases failed to land a conviction. Edit: Special circumstances in this case will probably be civil rights issue or hate crime since the local authorities have failed to prosecute and due to the public outcry. That's a guess on my part because other than that, the others don't apply (i.e. murder of a U.S. Marshal, destruction or theft of government property, etc.). Hope this helps.
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Hope this helps.
It helped me realize you were a stupid douche who doesn't realize either trait about himself. Hope this helps.
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ineenia posted: Does Florida's "stand your ground" law have any effect on federal murder charges being able to be charged? And are the special circumstances that have to be met for murder to be charged on a federal level?
1. No, state law never trumps federal law and the Constitution trumps federal. There is some debate as to what applies if certain criteria happen, but that question goes before a court of judges to include the Supreme Court. 2. Right now, the Federal Government is involved in the case since the state has failed to meet the requirements demanded from the public. So much so, the Chief of Police has stepped with his own reasoning involved. Right now, I'll guess the federal prosecutors and their people are researching the merits of the case if they should choose to press for a conviction. Being this is a high profile case, I know they don't want to drop the ball on this one after so many other high profile cases failed to land a conviction. Hope this helps.
So no not under any circumstances it is absolutely prohibited unless the federal government wants to (not making fun of your explanation, just system.) If they do take up the case by somehow gaining jurisdiction ,I assume the stand your ground law would not be considered at least in the guilt or innocents part of the trial?
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Correct. Since it's a state law, under a federal court, even if the defense was raised, it would not be recognized since it's not federal or Constitutional law. A defense attorney could try to raise a stink about it in appeals, but again, federal law trumps state law. This tends to create bad blood between law enforcement agencies because often both want jurisdiction as you may have noticed from certain cop shows and the like. But, that's another topic.
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"Stand your ground" is not really relevant in the Travyon Martin case, even Zimmerman's lawyer has said that on camera. Zimmerman is claiming basic self-defense.
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GrilledCheez posted: It helped me realize you were a stupid douche who doesn't realize either trait about himself. Hope this helps.
Sorry you feel that way.
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GrilledCheez posted:
Ardenwolfe posted:
Hope this helps.
It helped me realize you were a stupid douche who doesn't realize either trait about himself. Hope this helps.
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Bowlartz posted: "Stand your ground" is not really relevant in the Travyon Martin case, even Zimmerman's lawyer has said that on camera. Zimmerman is claiming basic self-defense.
This is true. It didn't help that the lawmaker also stated he didn't believe Zimmerman fell under the criteria either.
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Ardenwolfe posted:
GrilledCheez posted: It helped me realize you were a stupid douche who doesn't realize either trait about himself. Hope this helps.
Sorry you feel that way.
don't be. It doesn't bother me and there's probably nothing you can do about it. I do find it odd that you would google fu some stuff up when someone asks for expert advice and then use phrases like "I'm just guessing" Do you think your guesses are so valuable compared to others because you are so smart that even your guesses about things you have no idea about are valuable enough that others should read and consider them, as opposed to just trusting their own guesses the way much smarter people would? PS. I wasn't just guessing. You're definitely a stupid douche who doesn't realize either trait about himself.
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GrilledCheez posted: don't be. It doesn't bother me and there's probably nothing you can do about it. I do find it odd that you would google fu some stuff up when someone asks for expert advice and then use phrases like "I'm just guessing" Do you think your guesses are so valuable compared to others because you are so smart that even your guesses about things you have no idea about are valuable enough that others should read and consider them, as oppose to just trust their own guesses the way much smarter people would? PS. I wasn't just guessing. You're definitely a stupid douche who doesn't realize either trait about himself.
You're so cute. Anyway, I hope the information helped you, Ineenia.
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i rot in a Mexican prison before i ever consulted with some half-wit Outpost lawyer.
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You're so cute.
Weeeeeeell. I didn't realize you were a fine looking lady. What I said earlier was just my way of breaking the ice between us. So why is such a fine looking lady as yourself coming around the OP and bothering herself with all the words and thoughts and stuff?
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i rot in a Mexican prison before i ever consulted with some half-wit Outpost lawyer.
You say that now, but if your internet was down, and you just had to have some google info you'd miss out on at LEAST a 12 percent chance that Ardenwolfe would guess the right answer. I'm thinking those woudl seem like pretty good odds when the only thing standing between you and a DQ Blizzard was a map of Puerto Penasco
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Sorry, you've mistaken me for a bitch that gives a damn about you. Take your push pin elsewhere. That's not happening. I'm sure you've heard that before and will a lot more in the future.
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well, that is a scenario i had not considered.
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the stupid douche in this thread is wrong about most of what he typed anyhow.
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Oh, you've got a feisty one GC.
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Ardenwolfe posted: Sorry, you've mistaken me for a bitch that gives a damn about you. Take your push pin elsewhere. That's not happening. I'm sure you've heard that before and will a lot more in the future.
no is just a prelude to yes, baby. PS. I like the dirty talk
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