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http://news.yahoo.com/dad-son-atone-theft-denver-curb-031028231.html
Apparently this kid stole $100 from a relative and his dad is making him stand on a street corner with a sign saying, "I am a thief, I stole money from a relative."
A psychologist says children don't gain insight from public humiliation. I call BS. The kid will be out there for a few hours a day thinking about how Fuked up everything is. Mostly he'll mentally bitch about how strict and unfair his father is, sure, but I don't doubt he'll have learned his lesson.
Is it the best lesson? Probably not, but to say no insight is gained is pretty ridiculous IMO.
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I don't think humiliation is a good tool for raising kids. Many people do though. Their kids will probably suck either way so I don't really care that much.
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I keep repeating it but my favorite was the kid standing at the freeway off ramp with a sign saying "since I cut class and am going to flunk out of school my Mom wants me to practice for my career".
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There is a judge in Texas who uses this same approach with many first offenders. They have to agree to it as an alternative to jail. Most don't come back a second time.
this shrink probably fits one or more (all 3 isn't hard to imagine)of the following:
1 He/she is stupid
2 has no kids
3 became a shrink for self-help because he/she is a nut/mess.
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Terrible idea. Humans only fail when they give up. Letting them get used to shame and humiliation puts them one step closer to that. Kudos for being a stupid douche to your kids I guess. if your kid cuts class that's your fail not theirs. maybe you should put on a sign.
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I think that really depends on the person as to whether it works or not. Some people are deeply concerned about how they 'look' to other people. Others are not.
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Eternal_Midnight posted:
I think that really depends on the person as to whether it works or not.
This.
Certain personalities would not recover from public humiliation and you could end up doing more harm then good.
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
A psychologist says children don't gain insight from public humiliation. I call BS. The kid will be out there for a few hours a day thinking about how Fuked up everything is. Mostly he'll mentally bitch about how strict and unfair his father is, sure, but I don't doubt he'll have learned his lesson.
Yeah, the lesson "Plan better so you don't get caught stealing.".
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
A psychologist says...
Uh-huh. There's your first clue.
Nobody in their field would say marginally true things in a contrarian manner to get attention. Nobody.
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Bonzoboy1 posted:
I keep repeating it but my favorite was the kid standing at the freeway off ramp with a sign saying "since I cut class and am going to flunk out of school my Mom wants me to practice for my career".
 Ok, that's pretty good.
I think that kind of public humiliation effort for kids is pretty dumm though. I'm behind standing up to your kid when they try that control game by making scenes in public to embarrass parents into capitulation, but the OP stuff seems dumm to me.
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I'm sure they learn something, but whether they learn the right thing is the question.
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GrilledCheez posted:
I don't think humiliation is a good tool for raising kids. Many people do though.
I agree with you but it was almost commonplace when I was growing up, especially in school.
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I think it depends on the child. That's a big part of parenting, knowing what works in punishing, motivating and rewarding. There's really no one size fits all approach.
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Taliesihne posted:
Eternal_Midnight posted:
I think that really depends on the person as to whether it works or not.
This.
Certain personalities would not recover from public humiliation and you could end up doing more harm then good.
This is where I'm at with this. And since many kids "do not like to stand out", I wonder if it does more harm than good and if there are better methods.
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The problem with that sort of punishment is it has the potential to be never ending. If any of the kid's schoolmates see him he'll never hear the end of it and it may well result in all sorts of negative things down the road.
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I threatend to put a sign on one of my boys the next he pulled a particular stunt. He decided not to test it.
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If he's stealing, than a moral code has not been developed and that is the ultimately the parent's fault, as these are taught.
Bad parenting.
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Taliesihne posted:
Eternal_Midnight posted:
I think that really depends on the person as to whether it works or not.
This. Certain personalities would not recover from public humiliation and you could end up doing more harm then good.
I agree but I'm confident that a overwhelming majority of people learn a valuable life lesson and make the appropriate course correction.
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Sea_of_inK posted:
If he's stealing, than a moral code has not been developed and that is the ultimately the parent's fault, as these are taught.
Bad parenting.
Sometimes you can only teach after the mistake. Developing a moral code is only academic until there are real world examples to reward or punish.
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Give your child a deep pit of shame to climb out from and when they are grown they will live without shame.
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I remember stealing as a kid my dad made me take it back and say I was sorry. Then I had to work for the guy for free to work off what I stole. I think it could work for some and not others. Each child is different.
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In countries that embrace the 'Wonderful World of Islam', it is common for children to view Public Punishmnent of people that transgress.
Look how well it works for keeping their misbehaviour in line.
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