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well that was unexpected! shock

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3PEab9Yu8y

 

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You see, this is the discipline of mind I pride myself on.

I still haven't wasted even 2 minutes clicking on a link about this story or bothering to read up on it. I don't even know if Zimmerman was the alleged 'assailant' or 'victim', here.

I've instead read a couple works by Plato (translated), probably about 75 different news and finance articles, written a few blog posts, etc in the last week. Totally un-troubled by the bullshite side show that is... whatever this is.

My clue, early on?

All I had to hear was "race" paired with "Jesse Jackson" to know this topic was a total waste of time.

 

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Meh, kinda hard to go by surveillance tape, and if he was already treated by medical personnel it's probably safe to assume he was cleaned up before that video was taken.

 

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I wonder how long this story will before everyone just goes /yawn and moves to the next thing?

 

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good call. ignorance is totally bliss.

 

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Friarspam posted:
I wonder how long this story will before everyone just goes /yawn and moves to the next thing?


See my post above. It's already there, for me. Before it ever got started.

It's another nothing distraction story about another nothing topic, pumped up to serve as an agenda item for the sham we call the Presidential Election cycle.

 

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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
You see, this is the discipline of mind I pride myself on.

I still haven't wasted even 2 minutes clicking on a link about this story or bothering to read up on it. I don't even know if Zimmerman was the alleged 'assailant' or 'victim', here.

I've instead read a couple works by Plato (translated), probably about 75 different news and finance articles, written a few blog posts, etc in the last week. Totally un-troubled by the bullshite side show that is... whatever this is.

My clue, early on?

All I had to hear was "race" paired with "Jesse Jackson" to know this topic was a total waste of time.

It kinda loses its edge when you spend your time posting how awesome you are on the Outpost, though.

 

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47 seconds into the video an officer notices the damage to the back of Zim's head.


I've been punched in the face a few hundred times and didn't bleed much.

 

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I've been punched in the face a few hundred times...

That would explain a lot.

 

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Cleary Zimmerman is a cold blooded murderer

 

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Yes, because clearly he's bloodied with a bleeding and broken nose. Thank you for posting this. Martin sure did a number on him. rolling_eyes

 

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Garth I ask that you watch the video after the surveillance video you posted and then see if you feel the same way.

I can respond to this thread by saying at the point this video was taken it would have been an hour or so after the attack (assumptions being made here) and it was AFTER Zimmerman had received medical attention at the scene. The fact that he wasn't bleeding from the face anymore doesn't surprise me. It was video from the police department much later.

It looks like Martin did indeed confront Zimmerman and attack first.

That was a bad idea on his part.

 

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Oh. My. God. Are you that biased?

 

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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
You see, this is the discipline of mind I pride myself on.

I still haven't wasted even 2 minutes clicking on a link about this story or bothering to read up on it. I don't even know if Zimmerman was the alleged 'assailant' or 'victim', here.

I've instead read a couple works by Plato (translated), probably about 75 different news and finance articles, written a few blog posts, etc in the last week. Totally un-troubled by the bullshite side show that is... whatever this is.

My clue, early on?

All I had to hear was "race" paired with "Jesse Jackson" to know this topic was a total waste of time.


But now you are posting spending time on the subject anyhow the only difference is you're ignorance.Ignorance and indifference is more than plentiful,it doesn't make you special...well at least not in the way you thought it did.

 

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Meh, kinda hard to go by surveillance tape, and if he was already treated by medical personnel it's probably safe to assume he was cleaned up before that video was taken.


I agree to a point,but it is suspicious if you keep in mind this was suppose to be an assualt that made him fear for his life.Its a pretty minor fight if you can wipe it off with a little soap and water.




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It looks like Martin did indeed confront Zimmerman and attack first.

That was a bad idea on his part.



You're a moron,you can't tell that by his wounds if he even has any.

 

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But now you are posting spending time on the subject anyhow the only difference is you're ignorance.


Actually I'm not spending one word on the subject itself. I'm making an observation about the context AROUND the subject.

The particular subject incident is irrelevant. Pick any racially-involved incident with the right ingredients that happened or will happen over the next month, and you'll get the same circus with the same players.

I share that observation much in the same way I share my disdain for professional sports, in hopes people will realize the massive waste of time and soul they turn into for so many people.

Turn the page.



 

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I'll see your tape and raise you police investigators trying to lead the 13 year old witness to claim that Zimmerman was not acting in self-defense. I am guessing there is a little pressure on the police to make the case it was not self defense regardless of the facts.

The 13 year old witness is black.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/28/10909475-witness-mom-says-police-told-her-trayvon-martin-shooting-wasnt-self-defense

"The shooting occurred Feb. 26, and Brown's son called 911 to report it at the time. But police didn't seek to question him until March 2, Brown said. She wasn't home, so they returned March 5, meaning eight days passed before police actually questioned a key eyewitness.

"I was waiting every day for someone to come knocking on the door," she said.

Once they did, Brown alleged, police tried to lead her son to agree to certain assertions, such as the race of the person on the ground and what he was wearing. But the boy stuck to his insistence that he couldn't make out either because it was too dark.

Brown alleged that the lead investigator "told me this was not self-defense," saying she should "read between the lines" because "this was racial stereotyping."

Martin was black; Zimmerman is Hispanic.

She said the investigator said he had children of his own "and seemed angered by it," saying, "I need to prove this was not self-defense."

 

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That video doesn't exclude the possibility of a punch to the nose and a bump on the back of his head, but, the lack of blood on his t-shirt and jacket seem to indicate the injury to his nose, if any, wasn't all that great. Clothes look in pretty good shape if he'd been on the ground with his head being bounced repeatedly off the ground, too. Didn't see any grass stains, either, but, that might be due to the poor quality of the video. It would have been nice if they had shifted the ABC logo away from his head, though. Makes it really difficult to see if there is any damage to it.

Also, this was in the article I saw with the video in it...


The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

 

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I'll see your tape and raise you police investigators trying to lead the 13 year old witness to claim that Zimmerman was not acting in self-defense. I am guessing there is a little pressure on the police to make the case it was not self defense regardless of the facts.


That's stupid. If the police said it wasn't self-defense, they would have arrested him. They already had enough evidence.

 

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Excellent points, Groucho.

 

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I'll see your tape and raise you police investigators trying to lead the 13 year old witness to claim that Zimmerman was not acting in self-defense. I am guessing there is a little pressure on the police to make the case it was not self defense regardless of the facts.


That's stupid. If the police said it wasn't self-defense, they would have arrested him. They already had enough evidence.



That's the point, they were caught trying to lead a 13 year old witness to say it was not self-defense because they don't have the evidence to prove it was not self-defense. Just the fact that this is on the record could pretty much destroy the case on its own. The defense would most certainly bring that interview up should it go to trial.

 

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Yeah, because the testimony of a 13-year-old was going to tip the scales. rolling_eyes

 

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Oh. My. God. Are you that biased?


Yes. Biased towards the truth. flag

 

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It looks like Martin did indeed confront Zimmerman and attack first.

That was a bad idea on his part.



You're a moron,you can't tell that by his wounds if he even has any.


No you can't tell it from his wounds. You'd have to listen to the eyewitnesses.

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Yeah, because the testimony of a 13-year-old was going to tip the scales. rolling_eyes



No the actual part he witnessed probably wouldn't have much effect but the testimony of his Mother who was present at his questioning and stated that the investigator was trying to lead him as well as the quotes attributed to the officer tell them to "read between the lines"...most certainly would have a huge impact on a case where they can't bring charges because they don't believe they can prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.

No chance this goes to trial and if for some reason, say political pressure, that it does it will be a slam dunk for the defense. At this point I don't think a civil case would have much standing.

 

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cabbyman posted:


It looks like Martin did indeed confront Zimmerman and attack first.

That was a bad idea on his part.



You're a moron,you can't tell that by his wounds if he even has any.


No you can't tell it from his wounds. You'd have to listen to the eyewitnesses.

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There are no eyewitnesses. Based on what I've read here, there are zero credible eyewitnesses.



 

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ineenia posted:


cabbyman posted:


It looks like Martin did indeed confront Zimmerman and attack first.

That was a bad idea on his part.



You're a moron,you can't tell that by his wounds if he even has any.


No you can't tell it from his wounds. You'd have to listen to the eyewitnesses.

moran








The only eyewitness did not see a fight he only saw someone laying on the ground and couldn't even identify what color they were....moron

 

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I'm agreeing with you. The "eyewitnesses" didn't even see the shooting but they saw the fight? it makes no sense. And they describe it as shirt on top, that's not even seeing anything really. It was two completely differnet sized people - pretty bad eyewitness that only can see a second of something and describe it as red shirt on top or whatever.

 

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No you can't tell it from his wounds. You'd have to listen to the eyewitnesses.

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Um . . . we're discussing the video tape posted . . . not the supposed eyewitness. And I use that term loosely at this point.

. . .

What wounds?

 

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The odds of a black man beating a white man without at least 10 camera phones linking it to youtube are very low.



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[quote=cabbyman]

It looks like Martin did indeed confront Zimmerman and attack first.

That was a bad idea on his part.



You're a moron,you can't tell that by his wounds if he even has any.


No you can't tell it from his wounds. You'd have to listen to the eyewitnesses.

moran





There are no eyewitnesses. Based on what I've read here, there are zero credible eyewitnesses.



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There are definitely eyewitnesses that saw Martin straddling Zimmerman and beating him up. I expect that the number of big words in the articles are tripping you up a bit.

Just slow down, take your time, and sound them out...

 

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I'm agreeing with you. The "eyewitnesses" didn't even see the shooting but they saw the fight? it makes no sense. And they describe it as shirt on top, that's not even seeing anything really. It was two completely differnet sized people - pretty bad eyewitness that only can see a second of something and describe it as red shirt on top or whatever.




I was responding to "KKK Cabby" not you,I fixed it.

 

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No you can't tell it from his wounds. You'd have to listen to the eyewitnesses.

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Um . . . we're discussing the video tape posted . . . not the supposed eyewitness. And I use that term loosely at this point.

. . .

What wounds?


I was responding to inania.

 

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I haven't read a single article yet actually so I'm completely unbiased here.

 

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Well, reading is hard buddy. You'll get there.

 

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It looks like Martin did indeed confront Zimmerman and attack first.

That was a bad idea on his part.



You're a moron,you can't tell that by his wounds if he even has any.


No you can't tell it from his wounds. You'd have to listen to the eyewitnesses.

moran










The only eyewitness did not see a fight he only saw someone laying on the ground and couldn't even identify what color they were....moron[/quote]


That is not true at all. The primary witness is named John, he saw the fight, specifically stated the man in red was being beat up and crying for help. The man then yelled at Trayvon to "Stop" and called 911 inside his house. When he got off the call he looked out of his window and saw Trayvon now lying down apparently dead. He says all of this in the police report and on a news interview.

The 13 year old witness stated he could not see who was who just that a fight was going on before he ran after his dog. This is the witness the police tried to pressure into saying he saw something else to prove it was not self defense.


And from the video article:

"The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and after medical attention it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning."

He received medical attention which would include cleaning him up.

 

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I went and read the eye witness report...The guy did not see Trayvon attack him, he claims he saw the fight in progress.

 

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well that was unexpected! shock

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3PEab9Yu8y



WOW HE DOES LOOK WHIGHT!!!!

 

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Every post that AA makes is about AA. Even when he is congratulating himself for not caring about the thing the thread is actually about. I wonder if he is as self absorbed and annoying in real life as he is here. I'm betting yes.

 

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Every post that AA makes is about AA. Even when he is congratulating himself for not caring about the thing the thread is actually about. I wonder if he is as self absorbed and annoying in real life as he is here. I'm betting yes.


He's like all the MBA stereotypes in the world made flesh.

 

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Post this Eye witness account please.

 

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ineenia posted:
Post this Eye witness account please.



I went and read the eye witness report...The guy did not see Trayvon attack him, he claims he saw the fight in progress

 

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eyewitness testimony is just about the least reliable evidence you can find

 

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Interesting. Do you still have the link?

 

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I'm trying to refind it ...it was a fox link...

and he didn't think the guy was dead while the fight was happening...that was after he called 911

If the medical report says that Zimmerman fired upwards into Martin..I'll beleive what he said happened happened...but I'll still believe he was responsible for what happened.I think that is about the only evidence that'd fully convince me.

 

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Cabby bases everything he has on the supposed eyewitnessess and that Zimmerman was getting his head pounded to the ground. He's restated that so many times he believes he saw it himself, apparently. He treats that like fact and accepts just the reality he wants to while dismissing eveything that conflicts with his view.

That's all he has and he's pretending that this is proven while the rest is conjecture. No concern that these supposed eyewitnesses have not been confirmed and that they claim to have seen the middle of the fight but not the beginning or the end. Cabby is cherry picking more than most then acting like other people are jumping to conclusions.

What a crock.

I say it again if Barney Fife couldn't handle the situation his fat ass should have been at home. Then nobody had to get shot.

 

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Supposed eyewitnesses? There are a couple. At least one of them saw Martin straddling Zimmerman and beating him while Zimmerman was calling for help. I understand in your world that doesn't mean anything. That's why your world is so stupid.

The only evidence we have so far is what the eyewitnesses say they saw and what Zimmerman says happened. We're not going to get a statement from Martin because he's dead. Do you want to know why he's dead? Because he was beating on someone who had a gun.

Barney Fife says he was heading back to his truck when Martin confronted and then attacked him.

No one had to get shot at all but that would mean one of them couldn't have been straddling the other while beating them up.

You whiny buttholes are just so angry that this isn't what you want it to be that it's laughable. laugh

 

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I saw two witnesses on TV tell Anderson Cooper that it was not self defense. So I see your witnesses and raise you two.

You have no more facts than anyone else Cabby. You are simply choosing which of them you want to believe.

edit - while accusing everyone else of doing the same. Weak. Pitiful and weak. talk_hand

 

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NO YOU ARE!!!

Also facts are facts whether you believe them or not.

 

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Have you ever seen a broken nose? They don't clean up in a couple hours. If they had a movie of Zimmerman shooting the kid in the back you'd be like, "no wait for the part where he bangs his head into the pavement. I am sure that's coming right up."

Your view is no more fact than anyone elses.

 

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The person in the video was definitely not bleeding from the nose and the back of his head within the last hour or two of making this video. There is no blood on the clothes, and there are no rests of blood on the face and his hair, as short as it may be in the back. Blood dries very fast, so every drop he wiped off his wounds himself would have left some stains. You don't get it off unless you really scrub it off with swabs soaked in alcohol or water, and you don't do that at the scene. A bit, sure, but you can't get it all unless you spend a couple of minutes at a sink with running water. Also, a wound to the back of the head even with just ambulant treatment at the scene would mean he had to have a pad or something on the wound until it really is closed and can't get infected anymore.

 

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Have you ever seen a broken nose? They don't clean up in a couple hours. If they had a movie of Zimmerman shooting the kid in the back you'd be like, "no wait for the part where he bangs his head into the pavement. I am sure that's coming right up."

Your view is no more fact than anyone elses.



Yes but Cabby and I plus others are jury members here that buy John's story. Especially since he talked to Martin while this was going down! Can't get much closer than that. Not Guilty, so far.

I also thought the cops said that they thought zimmerman could have used some stitches but it healed up enough he didn't.

 

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Go to 48 seconds into the video. What is the cop staring at on the back of Zimmerman's head?

Stop the video at 1:07. What is that patch of bare scalp below his bald spot?

 

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I checked what you mentioned. WTF do I know what he's staring at or what that spot is. It still doesn't look even remotely like any freshly treated head wound I've ever seen.

 

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Camera distortion. At certain times, it looks like his hair suddenly grows too. Well, from the back and around his bald spot. I'm more curious about his unbroken nose and lack of blood anywhere on his persons to include his clothes.

I guess the cops washed and dry cleaned them too.

 

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Give Cabby time. He'll think of another excuse. grin

What kind of watch Captain gets his ass kicked by a 17 year old kid?

 

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Now Zimmerman's story includes Martin saying "you are going to die tonight."

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What kind of watch Captain gets his ass kicked by a 17 year old kid?


I'd argue that a 6'2" football player can kick your ass, even if he was 17.

 

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I'm not afraid of most 17 year olds now. When I was Zimmerman's age?

a 140 lb kid?

Wigger please. talk_hand

Then again I'm not out "protecting" your neighborhood with a loaded firearm am I?

 

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Give Cabby time. He'll think of another excuse. grin




It's really incredible. I have more respect for Cabby as a poster here than most anyone else (which is saying like literally nothing but still) and I just don't get why he is so hell bent on declaring Zimmerman 100% completely innocent and the shooting 100% completely justified. It's almost like he's trolli...


 

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I haven't followed this case at all. It just depresses me and any chance of any reliable information about it coming out is almost nil at this point.

All I know is:

A kid got shot and killed
The guy who shot him was following him even after told not to do so
The dead kid wasn't armed
The guy who shot him, obviously, was
The dead kid was checked for drugs and booze
The shooter wasn't
The kid didn't have drugs or booze in his system
Cops on the scene decided the shooter had a legal right to kill the kid

That's it. I don't know crap about whether or not the kid attacked the shooter, whether that possible attack injured the shooter, whether or not the shooter was drunk or drugged up at the time, really nothing about how the actual killing took place other than an unarmed kid was shot and killed by some guy who followed him, against police orders, and in doing so.....initiated the crisis which resulted in one dead kid and one guy who killed him.

Based upon only that information, I can only conclude that the shooter is clearly an asshole who created this entire horrible situation by following a kid when he was told not to do so. Maybe that isn't illegal in Florida....but it sure as hell should be.



 

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A kid got shot and killed


True dat

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The guy who shot him was following him even after told not to do so


My gut tells me yes, but there is not yet any proof of this of which I am aware. GZ said "okay" after the 911 operator told him "We don't need you to do that" but it is not clear (unless new evidence has surfaced) that he failed to comply.

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The dead kid wasn't armed
The guy who shot him, obviously, was
The dead kid was checked for drugs and booze
The shooter wasn't


Yes yes yes yes

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The kid didn't have drugs or booze in his system


True

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Cops on the scene decided the shooter had a legal right to kill the kid


Not true, the lead investigator wanted GZ charged with manslaughter, he was (apparently) overruled by superiors and/or the SA's office.

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the shooter is clearly an asshole



No doubt. The 911 calls by themselves indicate this.

 

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OK, fair enough. Should have stated he wasn't charged, not the cops didn't want to charge him

Only reason I followed even the tiny bit that I have of this story is I was arrested in Sanford a long time ago. Used to date a woman who attended Seminole Community College and lived right off Lake Mary BLVD and we went skinny dipping in lake Minnie one night. wink

 

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Apparently the medical facilities in Florida also have full laundry service with fast dryers, therefore the video proves nothing.

It's pretty obvious that he looks like he was just in a fight that involved his life being in danger.




Oh yeah, forgot this: rolling_eyes

 

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This vid is pretty irrelevant unless we know the time difference between his ER stay and this vid. ALL injured assault victims are taken to the ER and may spend hours there to get cleaned up, new clothes if family brings it in and observation when head injuries are involved.

Peroxide and some 4x4s will clean up blood very nicely. If you ever need to remove blood from clothes just use some peroxide as well.

 

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If anyone really believed that his nose was broken before seeing this (well, other than some of the Drudge-reading mouth breathers here), you probably don't understand how the media works.

That said, there's no indication here whether there was a struggle or not, if the existence of a struggle is part of your defense for Zimmerman / support for Martin.

 

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This vid is pretty irrelevant unless we know the time difference between his ER stay and this vid. ALL injured assault victims are taken to the ER and may spend hours there to get cleaned up, new clothes if family brings it in and observation when head injuries are involved.

Peroxide and some 4x4s will clean up blood very nicely. If you ever need to remove blood from clothes just use some peroxide as well.
Everything I've read on this indicates that Martin received medical attention on the scene before being taken to the police station. He wasn't transported to the ER. Not that it makes much of a difference unless you were really buying into the "broken nose/bashed head" line that was being fed through various sources.

 

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You clearly dont understand how a broken nose can work if he spent a few hours in the ER prior to that vid. Anyone have a timeline yet?

 

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Grymlo posted:
This vid is pretty irrelevant unless we know the time difference between his ER stay and this vid. ALL injured assault victims are taken to the ER and may spend hours there to get cleaned up, new clothes if family brings it in and observation when head injuries are involved.

Peroxide and some 4x4s will clean up blood very nicely. If you ever need to remove blood from clothes just use some peroxide as well.
Everything I've read on this indicates that Martin received medical attention on the scene before being taken to the police station. He wasn't transported to the ER. Not that it makes much of a difference unless you were really buying into the "broken nose/bashed head" line that was being fed through various sources.



Im sure he was treated on scene but im pretty sure i read that he was taken to the ER as well. Could be wrong though.

 

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If anyone really believed that his nose was broken before seeing this (well, other than some of the Drudge-reading mouth breathers here), you probably don't understand how the media works.

That said, there's no indication here whether there was a struggle or not, if the existence of a struggle is part of your defense for Zimmerman / support for Martin.
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Apparently the medical facilities in Florida also have full laundry service with fast dryers, therefore the video proves nothing.

It's pretty obvious that he looks like he was just in a fight that involved his life being in danger.




Oh yeah, forgot this: rolling_eyes



Because no one ever changes their clothes before going downtown to make a statement.

rolling_eyes

He wasn't arrested. I'm sure he was given time to clean up.

Not that I'm saying the guy is innocent, or guilty, but the things you guys are pointing out and arguing over don't prove anything either way.

Our system requires proof of guilt. I don't see it happening.

 

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I guess thats suppose to be funny plain

Guess we could play the game as well if we were children raised_brow

 

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Apparently the medical facilities in Florida also have full laundry service with fast dryers, therefore the video proves nothing.

It's pretty obvious that he looks like he was just in a fight that involved his life being in danger.




Oh yeah, forgot this: rolling_eyes



Because no one ever changes their clothes before going downtown to make a statement.

rolling_eyes

He wasn't arrested. I'm sure he was given time to clean up.

Not that I'm saying the guy is innocent, or guilty, but the things you guys are pointing out and arguing over don't prove anything either way.

Our system requires proof of guilt. I don't see it happening.


Not that i'm saying the guy is innocent or guilty, but if they let the guy go home to change first, there's something wrong there, that's preferential treatment, not SOP.

 

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Why?

If they determined no arrest needed to be made the guy is free to go wherever he wants.

Also, do you even know what standard operating procedure is in a situation like this?

 

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If anyone really believed that his nose was broken before seeing this (well, other than some of the Drudge-reading mouth breathers here), you probably don't understand how the media works.

That said, there's no indication here whether there was a struggle or not, if the existence of a struggle is part of your defense for Zimmerman / support for Martin.


There is eyewitness testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating on him. The eyewitness actually spoke to Martin, told him to stop, and told him that he was calling 911. He then went back to call 911.

Shortly after that it got all shooty.

 

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I've heard other witnesses say differently. What about them?

 

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I've heard other witnesses say differently. What about them?


Links?

 

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http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/28/10909475-witness-mom-says-police-told-her-trayvon-martin-shooting-wasnt-self-defense


Awkward!

There's your witness. Oops!

 

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vn_nnanji posted:http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/28/10909475-witness-mom-says-police-told-her-trayvon-martin-shooting-wasnt-self-defense


Awkward!

There's your witness. Oops!



Awkward for you, perhaps... Your link disputes your argument laugh

"Once they did, Brown alleged, police tried to lead her son to agree to certain assertions, such as the race of the person on the ground and what he was wearing. But the boy stuck to his insistence that he couldn't make out either because it was too dark.

Brown alleged that the lead investigator "told me this was not self-defense," saying she should "read between the lines" because "this was racial stereotyping."

Martin was black; Zimmerman is Hispanic.

She said the investigator said he had children of his own "and seemed angered by it," saying, "I need to prove this was not self-defense."

 

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vn_nnanji posted:http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/28/10909475-witness-mom-says-police-told-her-trayvon-martin-shooting-wasnt-self-defense


Awkward!

There's your witness. Oops!




"But the boy stuck to his insistence that he couldn't make out either because it was too dark."

Talking to the mother of a child who saw nothing with Al Sharpton involved laugh

Try reading your own stories before posting them.

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laugh

You both need to read it again. This time pay attention to all the words.

Her son, your star witness, says it was not self defense.

Sorry to bring reality in to burst your bubble!

 

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Yes you need to re-read that again.......

Her son who saw nothing.

This is not the adult witness who saw the fight.

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Tell me Grym, is English you're first language?

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"When asked if her son thought it was self defense she said, " absolutely not."

What part of that is difficult for you?

 

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Why didn't he answer?

How old is this witness?

It sounds to me like the son was saying one thing, and the mother is trying to say he really means something else.

 

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This is not the adult witness who saw the fight.

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Why didn't he answer?

How old is this witness?


This is John. The 13 year old boy that they (OP goons) are hanging their entire hat on.

 

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Tell me in anything other than idiot how saying that when you saw nothing to begin with is relevant?



But one man's testimony could be key for the police.

"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.

His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

Here is your witness statement.

Local news here btw
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

He either saw something or he didnt.



Next time find a story that actually says something. This kids testimony pretty much boils down to it was to dark for him to see anything - The end. clown

 

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To be fair his link was actually the mom of the kid talking to Al Sharpton. laugh

 

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I was hoping to avoid that one little fact.

 

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Yeah, I don't get the point that is being made in the text of that link. The mom claims that her son does not believe it was self defense, though he saw nothing. Yet at the same time claims the investigator tried to lead her son into helping him prove it was not self defense and got angry when the two stories didn't match. So, if her son really didn't think it was self defense, why would the investigator get angry and claim that he need to prove it wasn't self defense?

 

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I suppose with avoiding all the big ones already the little one might get by. dancing

 

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I'm only interested in witnesses that support my version of reality.

 

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Yeah, I don't get the point that is being made in the text of that link. The mom claims that her son does not believe it was self defense, though he saw nothing. Yet at the same time claims the investigator tried to lead her son into helping him prove it was not self defense and got angry when the two stories didn't match. So, if her son really didn't think it was self defense, why would the investigator get angry and claim that he need to prove it wasn't self defense?


You people fail at context. That speaks to the cops agenda.

 

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Grymlo posted:
I'm only interested in witnesses that support my version of reality.




Again.....you got nothing grin

My version of the story has a witness that actually saw something. Your version of the story has a witness who claims he saw nothing. laugh

Cant make this shit up doh!

 

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Yeah, I don't get the point that is being made in the text of that link. The mom claims that her son does not believe it was self defense, though he saw nothing. Yet at the same time claims the investigator tried to lead her son into helping him prove it was not self defense and got angry when the two stories didn't match. So, if her son really didn't think it was self defense, why would the investigator get angry and claim that he need to prove it wasn't self defense?


You people fail at context. That speaks to the cops agenda.


If their agenda's matched, ie, this was not self defense, there would be no reason for the cop to get angry with the kid. Either their stories matched and it wasn't self defense or they didn't and it upset the cop.

 

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Oh right. The witness who saw just enough.

While the kid, who ws actually there saw nobody punching anyone.

Actually you CAN make this shit up. And that is exactly what you are doing. chicken

 

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Oh right. The witness who saw just enough.

While the kid, who ws actually there saw nobody punching anyone.

Actually you CAN make this shit up. And that is exactly what you are doing. chicken



So im making up linking stories on all the major networks supporting what im posting silly

My linked storys witness made it up while yours has nothing to offer at all grin

Guess we can all go grab a beer and call it a night! coffee

 

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If the interview took place immedeiatly after the alleged "horrific beating" bruises might noit have had time to form but bl;ood would still be there.

If the interview took place an hour after the alleged "horrific beating" bruises would be prominant and the "broken nose" would be discolored and black and blue.

So, if he was really in fear for his life, he would, at some point, show blood on his clothes and or bruising at some point.

So far it appears no pictures show him mussed up in any way.

 

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Oh right. The witness who saw just enough.

While the kid, who ws actually there saw nobody punching anyone.

Actually you CAN make this shit up. And that is exactly what you are doing. chicken



So im making up linking stories on all the major networks supporting what im posting silly

My linked storys witness made it up while yours has nothing to offer at all grin

Guess we can all go grab a beer and call it a night! coffee


Says the guy who turned "I couldn't see who was who" into "I didn't see anything." Did I mention you only accept witnesses and "facts" that support your version of this? Why don't you go look at all the major networks and see what they are saying. ALL of what they are saying, not just what you want to be true. Of course you will swallow anything that supports Zimmerman like a crack whore working for a fix, and dismiss anything that doesn't with the blindness of a mole rat.

"Zimmerman shows no injuries." They cleaned him up...look, you can see a smudge on his head!
"Zimmerman's story has conflicts." He was dazed and confused from the savage beating!
"I saw the one kid on top." SEE! He was fighting for his life!
" I didn't see anyone hitting anyone." See? He didn't see anything!

Talk about Grym's fairy tales. laugh

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The 13 year old witness couldn't see what was going on before running after his dog. His Mother is making claims that the police tried to lead the 13 year old into saying that Zimmerman was in control during the fight and that it couldn't have been self defense. The quote from the Mother:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/28/10909475-witness-mom-says-police-told-her-trayvon-martin-shooting-wasnt-self-defense


"The shooting occurred Feb. 26, and Brown's son called 911 to report it at the time. But police didn't seek to question him until March 2, Brown said. She wasn't home, so they returned March 5, meaning eight days passed before police actually questioned a key eyewitness.

"I was waiting every day for someone to come knocking on the door," she said.

Once they did, Brown alleged, police tried to lead her son to agree to certain assertions, such as the race of the person on the ground and what he was wearing. But the boy stuck to his insistence that he couldn't make out either because it was too dark.


Brown alleged that the lead investigator "told me this was not self-defense," saying she should "read between the lines" because "this was racial stereotyping."

Martin was black; Zimmerman is Hispanic.

She said the investigator said he had children of his own "and seemed angered by it," saying, "I need to prove this was not self-defense."


The 13 year old couldn't see and to compound things, his Mother is claiming the police were pressuring him to say he saw something he did not. This witness is actually terribly damaging for the prospects of prosecution due to the obvious attempt to tamper.

The main witness named "John" is an adult who saw the fight happening (not from the start) is on the police record and a TV interview as having said he saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him while he cried out like a wee school girl. The witness yelled at Trayvon to stop and said he was calling police...which he did, there is a 911 call from him. When he got done with the call he checked back and saw Trayvon now dead.

That's it.

 

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Wait. You guys are now saying the police allowed Zimmerman to change his clothes after the incident and then took him down to the station?

. . .

Are you serious?

 

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ZigmundZag posted:
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This vid is pretty irrelevant unless we know the time difference between his ER stay and this vid. ALL injured assault victims are taken to the ER and may spend hours there to get cleaned up, new clothes if family brings it in and observation when head injuries are involved.

Peroxide and some 4x4s will clean up blood very nicely. If you ever need to remove blood from clothes just use some peroxide as well.
Everything I've read on this indicates that Martin received medical attention on the scene before being taken to the police station. He wasn't transported to the ER. Not that it makes much of a difference unless you were really buying into the "broken nose/bashed head" line that was being fed through various sources.



Im sure he was treated on scene but im pretty sure i read that he was taken to the ER as well. Could be wrong though.


Zimmerman's own attorney said that Zimmerman requested to be taken to the ER but instead the ebbil cops chose to take him to the station for questioning.

Lawyers are known liars though so FWIW!

 

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The 13 year old witness couldn't see what was going on before running after his dog. His Mother is making claims that the police tried to lead the 13 year old into saying that Zimmerman was in control during the fight and that it couldn't have been self defense. The quote from the Mother:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/28/10909475-witness-mom-says-police-told-her-trayvon-martin-shooting-wasnt-self-defense


"The shooting occurred Feb. 26, and Brown's son called 911 to report it at the time. But police didn't seek to question him until March 2, Brown said. She wasn't home, so they returned March 5, meaning eight days passed before police actually questioned a key eyewitness.

"I was waiting every day for someone to come knocking on the door," she said.

Once they did, Brown alleged, police tried to lead her son to agree to certain assertions, such as the race of the person on the ground and what he was wearing. But the boy stuck to his insistence that he couldn't make out either because it was too dark.


Brown alleged that the lead investigator "told me this was not self-defense," saying she should "read between the lines" because "this was racial stereotyping."

Martin was black; Zimmerman is Hispanic.

She said the investigator said he had children of his own "and seemed angered by it," saying, "I need to prove this was not self-defense."


The 13 year old couldn't see and to compound things, his Mother is claiming the police were pressuring him to say he saw something he did not. This witness is actually terribly damaging for the prospects of prosecution due to the obvious attempt to tamper.

The main witness named "John" is an adult who saw the fight happening (not from the start) is on the police record and a TV interview as having said he saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him while he cried out like a wee school girl. The witness yelled at Trayvon to stop and said he was calling police...which he did, there is a 911 call from him. When he got done with the call he checked back and saw Trayvon now dead.

That's it.




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Wait. You guys are now saying the police allowed Zimmerman to change his clothes after the incident and then took him down to the station?

. . .

Are you serious?


Well, he does look really white and therefore privileged to all that entails.

 

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George Zimmerman's description is outlined in an Orlando Sentinel article that cited "authorities" as the source of its information. The Sanford Police Department subsequently released a statement that, while condemning what it called"unauthorized leaks," confirmed the newspaper account "is consistent with the information provided to the State Attorney's office by the police department."

"As to Zimmerman, "his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass (and he) was also bleeding, from the nose and back of his head," according to the same report."

 

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The 13 year old witness couldn't see what was going on before running after his dog. His Mother is making claims that the police tried to lead the 13 year old into saying that Zimmerman was in control during the fight and that it couldn't have been self defense. The quote from the Mother:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/28/10909475-witness-mom-says-police-told-her-trayvon-martin-shooting-wasnt-self-defense


"The shooting occurred Feb. 26, and Brown's son called 911 to report it at the time. But police didn't seek to question him until March 2, Brown said. She wasn't home, so they returned March 5, meaning eight days passed before police actually questioned a key eyewitness.

"I was waiting every day for someone to come knocking on the door," she said.

Once they did, Brown alleged, police tried to lead her son to agree to certain assertions, such as the race of the person on the ground and what he was wearing. But the boy stuck to his insistence that he couldn't make out either because it was too dark.


Brown alleged that the lead investigator "told me this was not self-defense," saying she should "read between the lines" because "this was racial stereotyping."

Martin was black; Zimmerman is Hispanic.

She said the investigator said he had children of his own "and seemed angered by it," saying, "I need to prove this was not self-defense."


The 13 year old couldn't see and to compound things, his Mother is claiming the police were pressuring him to say he saw something he did not. This witness is actually terribly damaging for the prospects of prosecution due to the obvious attempt to tamper.

The main witness named "John" is an adult who saw the fight happening (not from the start) is on the police record and a TV interview as having said he saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him while he cried out like a wee school girl. The witness yelled at Trayvon to stop and said he was calling police...which he did, there is a 911 call from him. When he got done with the call he checked back and saw Trayvon now dead.

That's it.




Yup, from reading that article, looks like the kid came upon the aftermath of the incident, not the altercation. Saw Martin on the ground, wanted to help but his dog ran off and he chased the dog. Then the police tried to coerce an account out of him. I don't know what good his testimony would be in the trial other than to indict the officer.

 

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Saw Martin on the ground, wanted to help but his dog ran off and he chased the dog.
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Says the guy who turned "I couldn't see who was who" into "I didn't see anything." Did I mention you only accept witnesses and "facts" that support your version of this? Why don't you go look at all the major networks and see what they are saying. ALL of what they are saying, not just what you want to be true. Of course you will swallow anything that supports Zimmerman like a crack whore working for a fix, and dismiss anything that doesn't with the blindness of a mole rat.

"Zimmerman shows no injuries." They cleaned him up...look, you can see a smudge on his head!
"Zimmerman's story has conflicts." He was dazed and confused from the savage beating!
"I saw the one kid on top." SEE! He was fighting for his life!
" I didn't see anyone hitting anyone." See? He didn't see anything!

Talk about Grym's fairy tales.

Barney Fife was an asshole with a gun. You're just an asshole.



Talk about fairy tales. You will take the testimony of a 13 year old who says he couldnt see anything because it was to dark over the testiomony of someone who did see it and claim your faux outrage. You seem to be swallowing everything against zimmerman because obviously you dont like the hispanics! They must be ebil or something! How about you stop dismissing evidence so blindly.

Zimmermans story is collaborated by a witness who actually saw things.
Your witness couldnt say shit yet you sit here and claim he is who we should listen to lol.


Stop the hispanic hate man! You are the only one looking like an asshole here. The reaching you are doing you could probably give me a reach around all the way over here in Florida.

 

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George Zimmerman's description is outlined in an Orlando Sentinel article that cited "authorities" as the source of its information. The Sanford Police Department subsequently released a statement that, while condemning what it called"unauthorized leaks," confirmed the newspaper account "is consistent with the information provided to the State Attorney's office by the police department."

"As to Zimmerman, "his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass (and he) was also bleeding, from the nose and back of his head," according to the same report."



Facts get in the way of reality - some OP libtard

 

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Zimmermans story is collaborated by a witness who actually saw things.



Not all of it. And you seem just as adamant that Zimmerman is innocent as badjar is that he's guilty. FWIW

 

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This case bears a striking resemblance to the Yoshihiro Hattori case from the early 90's. The shooter in that case was acquitted as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshihiro_Hattori

Yoshihiro Hattori (?? ?? Hattori Yoshihiro?, November 22, 1975 – October 17, 1992) was a Japanese exchange student residing in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, United States at the time of his death. Hattori was on his way to a Halloween party and he went to the wrong house by accident. The property owner, Rodney Peairs, mortally wounded Hattori with gunfire, thinking he was trespassing with criminal intent. The controversial homicide, and Peairs's subsequent acquittal in the state court of Louisiana, received worldwide attention.
Yoshi Hattori's early life

Born in Nagoya, Japan to Masaichi and Mieko Hattori, Yoshihiro was 16 years old when he went to Baton Rouge as part of the AFS student exchange program; he had also received a scholarship from the Morita Foundation for his trip. He was the middle child between a brother and a sister, and was described as a gregarious teen who played on his high school rugby team and loved fishing.
[edit] Fatal incident

Two months into his stay in the United States, he received an invitation, along with Webb Haymaker, his homestay brother, to a Halloween party organized for Japanese exchange students on October 17, 1992. Hattori went dressed in a tuxedo in imitation of John Travolta from Saturday Night Fever. Upon their arrival in the quiet working class neighborhood where the party was held, the boys mistook the Peairses' residence for their intended destination due to the similarity of the address and the Halloween decorations on the outside of the house, and proceeded to step out of their car and walk to the front door. (Fujio 2004; Harper n.d.)

Hattori and Haymaker rang the front doorbell but, seemingly receiving no response, began to walk back to their car. Meanwhile, inside the house, their arrival had not gone unnoticed. Bonnie Peairs had peered out the side door and saw them. Mrs. Peairs, startled, retreated inside, locked the door, and said to her husband, "Rodney, get your gun." Hattori and Haymaker were walking to their car when the carport door was opened again, this time by Mr. Peairs. He was armed with a loaded and cocked .44 magnum revolver. He pointed it at Hattori, and yelled "Freeze." Simultaneously, Hattori, likely thinking he said "please," stepped back towards the house, saying "We're here for the party." Haymaker, seeing the weapon, shouted after Hattori, but Peairs fired his weapon at point blank range at Hattori, hitting him in the chest, and then ran back inside. (Kernodle 2002; Fujio 2004; Harper n.d.) Haymaker rushed to Hattori, badly wounded and lying where he fell, on his back. Haymaker ran to the home next door to the Peairses' house for help. Neither Mr. Peairs nor his wife came out of their house until the police arrived, about 40 minutes after the shooting. Mrs. Peairs shouted to a neighbor to "go away" when the neighbor called for help. One of the Peairses' children later told police that her mother asked, "Why did you shoot him?"

The shot had pierced the upper and lower lobes of Hattori's left lung, and exited through the area of the seventh rib; he died in the ambulance minutes later, from loss of blood.[1]
[edit] The criminal trial of Peairs

Initially, the local police quickly questioned and released Peairs, and declined to charge him with any crime. They felt that "Peairs had been within his rights in shooting the trespasser." [2] Only after the governor of Louisiana and the New Orleans Japan consul general protested, did Peairs get charged with manslaughter. Peairs's defense counsel's strategy consisted of a claim that Hattori had an "extremely unusual manner of moving", one which any reasonable person would find "scary", and emphasis on Peairs as an "average Joe", a man just like the jury members' neighbors, a man who "liked sugar in his grits".[3]

At the trial, Peairs testified about the moment just prior to the shooting: "It was a person, coming from behind the car, moving real fast. At that point, I pointed the gun and hollered, 'Freeze!' The person kept coming toward me, moving very erratically. At that time, I hollered for him to stop. He didn't; he kept moving forward. I remember him laughing. I was scared to death. This person was not gonna stop, he was gonna do harm to me." Peairs testified that he shot Yoshi once in the chest when the youth was about five feet away. "I had no choice," he said. "I want Yoshi's parents to understand that I'm sorry for everything."

District Attorney Doug Moreau concentrated on establishing that it had not been reasonable for Peairs, a 6-foot-2, well-armed man, to be so fearful of a polite, friendly, unarmed, 130-pound boy, who rang the doorbell, even if he walked toward him unexpectedly in the driveway, and that Peairs was not justified in using deadly force. Moreau stated, "It started with the ringing of the doorbell. No masks, no disguises. People ringing doorbells are not attempting to make unlawful entry. They didn't walk to the back yard, they didn't start peeking in the windows."

"You were safe and secure, weren't you?" Moreau asked Peairs during his appearance before the grand jury. "But you didn't call the police, did you?"
"No sir." Peairs said.
"Did you hear anyone trying to break in the front door?"
"No sir."
"Did you hear anyone trying to break in the carport door?"
"No sir."
"And you were standing right there at the door, weren't you - with a big gun?"
Peairs nodded.
"I know you're sorry you killed him. You are sorry, aren't you?"
"Yes sir."
"But you did kill him, didn't you?"
"Yes sir."

Peairs testified in a flat, toneless drawl, breaking into tears several times. A police detective testified that Peairs had said to him, "Boy, I messed up; I made a mistake."

The defense argued that Peairs was in large part reacting reasonably to his wife's panic. Peairs's wife testified for an hour describing the incident, during which she also broke into tears several times. "He was coming real fast, and it just clicked in my mind that he was going to hurt us. I slammed the door and locked it. I took two steps into the living room, where Rod could see me and I could see him. I told him to get the gun." Peairs did not hesitate or question her, but instead went to retrieve a handgun with a laser sight that was stored in a suitcase in the bedroom, which he said "was the easiest, most accessible gun to me."

"There was no thinking involved. I wish I could have thought. If I could have just thought," Mrs. Peairs said.[4]

The trial lasted seven days. After the jurors deliberated for three and a quarter hours, Peairs was acquitted.
[edit] The civil trial

In a later civil action (95 0144 (La.App. 1 Cir. 10/6/95), 662 So.2d 509), however, the court found Peairs liable to Hattori's parents for $650,000 in damages,[5] which they used to establish two charitable funds in their son's name; one to fund U.S. high school students wishing to visit Japan, and one to fund organizations that lobby for gun control.[6] The lawyers for Hattori's parents argued that the Peairses had behaved unreasonably: Bonnie Peairs had overreacted to the presence of the two teens outside her house; the Peairses had behaved unreasonably by not communicating with each other to convey what exactly the threat was; they had not taken the best path to safety—remaining inside the house and calling police; they had erred in taking offensive action rather than defensive action; and Rodney Peairs had used his firearm too quickly, without assessing the situation, using a warning shot, or shooting to wound. Furthermore, the much larger Peairs could likely very easily have subdued the short, slightly built teen. Contrary to Peairs's claim that Hattori was moving strangely and quickly towards him, forensic evidence demonstrates that Hattori was moving slowly, or not at all, and his arms were away from his body, indicating he was no threat. Overall, a far greater show of force was used than was appropriate.[7] Out of the total compensation, only $100,000 has been paid by an insurance company.[8]
[edit] Afterwards

After the trial, Peairs told the press that he would never again own a gun.

Japanese were shocked not only by the killing, but by Peairs's acquittal. Shortly after the Hattori case, a Japanese exchange student, Takuma Ito, and a Japanese-American student, Go Matsura, were killed in a carjacking in San Pedro, California, and another Japanese exchange student, Masakazu Kuriyama was shot in Concord, California. Many Japanese reacted to these deaths as being similar symptoms of a sick society; TV Asahi commentator Takashi Wada put the feelings into words by asking, "But now, which society is more mature? The idea that you protect people by shooting guns is barbaric."

One million Americans and 1.65 million Japanese signed a petition urging stronger gun controls in the US; the petition was presented to Ambassador Walter Mondale on November 22, 1993, who delivered it to President Bill Clinton. Shortly thereafter, the Brady Bill was passed, and on December 3, 1993, Mondale presented Hattori's parents with a copy.[9][10]

Suspicions of implicit racism in the acquittal of Peairs further gained traction when, shortly afterwards, a homeowner named Todd Vriesenga, inside his house in Grand Haven, MI, similarly shot and killed a 17 year old named Adam Provencal through the front door. Vriesenga received a 16 to 24 month term for "reckless use of a firearm resulting in death", causing both Japanese and Asian-American advocacy groups to speculate on whether the difference between Vriesenga's conviction and Peairs's acquittal was related to the race of the victims. Other groups publicly stated that Vriesenga should have been convicted of the more severe charge of felony manslaughter.[1]

 

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wow, reading that i cant believe he got off

dude rings doorbell. MUST BE THERE TO ROB ME

 

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cabbyman posted:http://www.krcrtv.com/news/30758511/detail.html

George Zimmerman's description is outlined in an Orlando Sentinel article that cited "authorities" as the source of its information. The Sanford Police Department subsequently released a statement that, while condemning what it called"unauthorized leaks," confirmed the newspaper account "is consistent with the information provided to the State Attorney's office by the police department."

"As to Zimmerman, "his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass (and he) was also bleeding, from the nose and back of his head," according to the same report."


Really? Please show us where the blood is on his persons in the video. And the 'covered with grass', and the broken nose. And the blood on the back of his head. Seriously, I'm not seeing it.

 

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There was a case in Boca Raton a few years ago where a guy shot and killed a teenager who knocked on his door and ran away.

He got off due to the castle doctrine laws and last I heard his family won a big lawsuit but he hasn't paid and was claiming bankruptcy to get away from paying.

 

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Yeah FL is the best place to be if you lose a lawsuit because you basically never have to pay, ever.

See also OJ Simpson

 

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Zimmermans story is collaborated by a witness who actually saw things.



Not all of it. And you seem just as adamant that Zimmerman is innocent as badjar is that he's guilty. FWIW



I understand. The point i am obviously making is that the witness for Zimmerman actually provided evidence that collaborates Zimmermans story. Badger is stuck in fantasy land with a story about a 13 year old kid who couldnt see anything because it was to dark yet blindly takes that as Zimmerman being guilty.

 

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Yeah FL is the best place to be if you lose a lawsuit because you basically never have to pay, ever.

See also OJ Simpson



Gotta love homestead states.

I knew a guy who sold only annuities to M.D.s because they are creditor proof. He made a crap ton of money.

 

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Yeah FL is the best place to be if you lose a lawsuit because you basically never have to pay, ever.

See also OJ Simpson



Yeah the story i linked with the shooting that happened in Ocala Fl closely resembles this case to the tee.

Officers said Dan Daley, 60, who lives two houses west of the shooting scene, walked to a duplex to ask the neighbors if they could do something about a dog in the yard that was barking too loudly.

Officers said Daley and Chester had words. Witnesses told them that Chester got aggressive with Daley and Daley shot Chester four to six times.

Chester died about an hour after arriving at the hospital, according to OPD.

Holly Apolinar, who was smoking a cigarette mere yards away, said she was standing outside when she saw two men — Daley and Chester — fighting in the middle of the roadway. She said Daley was yelling for help, but no one came to his rescue.

Apolinar said she then heard gunshots.

Martin said Chester told Daley to leave and that, as he was walking away, Chester left the yard and ran over to Daley, where he spun him around and began beating on him.

The witness said Chester was on top of Daley and was beating on him. Martin said that was when he heard gunshots.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20120204/articles/120209861

 

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Zimmermans story is collaborated by a witness who actually saw things.



Not all of it. And you seem just as adamant that Zimmerman is innocent as badjar is that he's guilty. FWIW


I am 100% certain that Zimmerman shot an unarmed 17 year old.

 

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cabbyman posted:http://www.krcrtv.com/news/30758511/detail.html

George Zimmerman's description is outlined in an Orlando Sentinel article that cited "authorities" as the source of its information. The Sanford Police Department subsequently released a statement that, while condemning what it called"unauthorized leaks," confirmed the newspaper account "is consistent with the information provided to the State Attorney's office by the police department."

"As to Zimmerman, "his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass (and he) was also bleeding, from the nose and back of his head," according to the same report."


Really? Please show us where the blood is on his persons in the video. And the 'covered with grass', and the broken nose. And the blood on the back of his head. Seriously, I'm not seeing it.
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That quote was taken from the police report.

 

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We should probably only pay attention to the police quotes that paint Zimmerman in a positive light tho

 

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That quote was taken from the police report.


As far as I know the police report hasn't been made public. Just a news story on what was leaked and a conformation that the story was "consistent".

 

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The 13 year old witness couldn't see what was going on before running after his dog. His Mother is making claims that the police tried to lead the 13 year old into saying that Zimmerman was in control during the fight and that it couldn't have been self defense. The quote from the Mother:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/28/10909475-witness-mom-says-police-told-her-trayvon-martin-shooting-wasnt-self-defense


"The shooting occurred Feb. 26, and Brown's son called 911 to report it at the time. But police didn't seek to question him until March 2, Brown said. She wasn't home, so they returned March 5, meaning eight days passed before police actually questioned a key eyewitness.

"I was waiting every day for someone to come knocking on the door," she said.

Once they did, Brown alleged, police tried to lead her son to agree to certain assertions, such as the race of the person on the ground and what he was wearing. But the boy stuck to his insistence that he couldn't make out either because it was too dark.


Brown alleged that the lead investigator "told me this was not self-defense," saying she should "read between the lines" because "this was racial stereotyping."

Martin was black; Zimmerman is Hispanic.

She said the investigator said he had children of his own "and seemed angered by it," saying, "I need to prove this was not self-defense."


The 13 year old couldn't see and to compound things, his Mother is claiming the police were pressuring him to say he saw something he did not. This witness is actually terribly damaging for the prospects of prosecution due to the obvious attempt to tamper.

The main witness named "John" is an adult who saw the fight happening (not from the start) is on the police record and a TV interview as having said he saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him while he cried out like a wee school girl. The witness yelled at Trayvon to stop and said he was calling police...which he did, there is a 911 call from him. When he got done with the call he checked back and saw Trayvon now dead.

That's it.




If you don't know how police questioning works...They always try to get witnesses to change their stories...it about credibility. If a witness changes their story to match what they think the police want them to say ,they are dismissed because they aren't credible witnesses and are very likely to change their story under questioning during a trial.

BTW:John isn't "the main witness" he is a witness..The only evidence that wasn't already known that john gave was that at one point in the confrontation,John believes he saw Zimmerman losing a fight.

 

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He's their main witness because he says what they want to hear. The fact that John didn't see the fight start or end....not a problem!

 

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That quote was taken from the police report.


As far as I know the police report hasn't been made public. Just a news story on what was leaked and a conformation that the story was "consistent".



It was released yesterday. That stuff was mentioned in the report.

 

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That quote was taken from the police report.


As far as I know the police report hasn't been made public. Just a news story on what was leaked and a conformation that the story was "consistent".



It was released yesterday. That stuff was mentioned in the report.


Ahh, I haven't seen it. Was just going by the Orlando Sentential story.

 

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That quote was taken from the police report.


So . . . don't believe my lying eyes. Got it.

 

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There is supposedly an eyewitness that actually saw the actual shooting being interviewed on CNN at 8pm tonight. I'm interested if Zimmerman was down or up when he fired.If he fired up into Trayvon he'll stand a good chance of getting off,IMO but if he was up I'd be shocked if he doesn't go to jail for something.

 

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I heard about this too. Yes, I'll be watching it as well.

 

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Wait. You guys are now saying the police allowed Zimmerman to change his clothes after the incident and then took him down to the station?

. . .

Are you serious?



It's a courtesy police departments often extend to the shooter in a case before they interview him for the first time. grin

 

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If Martin was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot, why wasn't he covered in blood from Martin?

 

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The newest witness to come forward claims Martin may have been face down..and he says Zimmerman did not appear hurt at all and that the incident happened in the grass not on concrete.

 

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I am 100% certain that Zimmerman shot an unarmed 17 year old.




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If Martin was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot, why wasn't he covered in blood from Martin?


I take it you havent been around or ever seen a real gun shot wound.

 

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Subject: Police Surveillance Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman
Oh do tell Mr. CSI. This should be good. laugh

 

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Subject: Police Surveillance Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman
Grymlo posted:
Remnant_OBrien posted:
If Martin was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot, why wasn't he covered in blood from Martin?


I take it you havent been around or ever seen a real gun shot wound.



He was suppose to have had a red jacket on during the incident..maybe the stains and any blood were on it ?

 

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Subject: Police Surveillance Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman
Thugoneous posted:




Hehe Badgers Hero!!

 

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Subject: Police Surveillance Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman
And ?

Does that scare you osmething?

 

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Subject: Police Surveillance Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman
vn_nnanji posted:
Oh do tell Mr. CSI. This should be good. laugh



Dumbass i work in EMS and have worked a few gun shot calls. In small cal bullets, unless a major artery is hit or nicked bleeding is pretty minimal. The fat and muscle kinda folds back over the entry wound making bleeding very minimal and sometimes hard to find. This is why we have to do careful inspections for entry and exit wounds on these calls.

 

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