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The what of a veteran?
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you defaming veterans again?
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I always think of a veteran as someone who actually did something in a conflict that put their life or health at risk.
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I always think of a veteran as someone who actually did something in a conflict that put their life or health at risk.
Wait, you don't think the "free college and something to do after highschool.... see the world" veterans during the 90s are as much of veterans as the WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan?
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I always think of a veteran as someone who actually did something in a conflict that put their life or health at risk.
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A veteran is anyone who gets a free meal on veterans day. That's the only definition I've ever needed/wanted.
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A veteran of combat is the only kind of veteran I think about. I don't care if you're a veteran war journalist, or a veteran medic, or a veteran navigator or something.
veteran killers are the only kinds of veterans that matter
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veteran: one who cares for cats, dogs and other pets
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veteran: one who cares for cats, dogs and other pets
no no, those are vegetarians.
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FineYoungCannibals posted:
veteran: one who cares for cats, dogs and other pets
no no, those are vegetarians.
I thought those were the folks that wanted a small government run by pets.
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HeartView posted:
Jezza_Belle posted:
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veteran: one who cares for cats, dogs and other pets
no no, those are vegetarians.
I thought those were the folks that wanted a small government run by pets.
Virginians?
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Virginians?
No. Those are gifts to devout Muslims.
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I always think of a veteran as someone who actually did something in a conflict that put their life or health at risk.
I served proudly in the U. S. Navy for 8 years. I did not see major conflict so that means I did not serve? People who make that argument disgust me and chances are they didn't try serving. I served my country for the length of time I chose to, I'm sorry if we were not at war with anyone while I served, I am however a veteran. Weather you acknowledge it or not. i signed that blank check and was prepared to die for you and everyone else in this country if I needed to.
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You're not a veteran of combat. You're a veteran of something, but that something is not combat.
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You're not a veteran of combat. You're a veteran of something, but that something is not combat.
There is no distinction, either you are a veteran or you're not. I am a veteran of the United States Navy plain and simple, just like those in the Middle East will be when their time is done.
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You're not a veteran of combat. You're a veteran of something, but that something is not combat.
There is no distinction, either you are a veteran or you're not. I am a veteran of the United States Navy plain and simple, just like those in the Middle East will be when their time is done.
What do marines think of you navy boys who've never seen combat, I wonder. You're a veteran of swabbing the poop deck, but when we need someone to commit grisly murder with frightening efficiency we'll call the real veterans.
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You're not a veteran of combat. You're a veteran of something, but that something is not combat.
There is no distinction, either you are a veteran or you're not. I am a veteran of the United States Navy plain and simple, just like those in the Middle East will be when their time is done.
What do marines think of you navy boys who've never seen combat, I wonder. You're a veteran of swabbing the poop deck, but when we need someone to commit grisly murder with frightening efficiency we'll call the real veterans.
by your definition of veteran they were not any "real" marines during my time, seeing as how we were not at war with anyone.
As far as what marines think of me? Go ask my Uncle who served in Vietnam, or my brother-in-law ( or is not a real Marine since he and served at the same time w/o conflict?
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I see now that your mind is made up and there is no changing it........... How about you sign up Ikk???? Do your time, go swab the poo deck as you called it and then get back to me. I was a GM for 3 years and a SP for 4-1/2. When you sign up I'll listen until then have a good and you're welcome.
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technically you may be right, but think about what the average person expects when they say "a veteran soldier". They usually mean a soldier who has seen active combat duty many times. 'Get me some veteran soldiers! No, I don't mean the ones who spent 8 years in the navy swabbing poop decks, I mean the grizzled military veterans!'
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I see now that your mind is made up and there is no changing it........... How about you sign up Ikk???? Do your time, go swab the poo deck as you called it and then get back to me. I was a GM for 3 years and a SP for 4-1/2. When you sign up I'll listen until then have a good and you're welcome.
Ok no problem. Thank you for allowing me to troll you today.
It's poop deck btw, not poo deck. You were in the navy for 8 years and you don't even know that? pffft 
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technically you may be right, but think about what the average person expects when they say "a veteran soldier". They usually mean a soldier who has seen active combat duty many times. 'Get me some veteran soldiers! No, I don't mean the ones who spent 8 years in the navy swabbing poop decks, I mean the grizzled military veterans!'
Even though I never saw conflict, I have seen things that I wish I had never seen and done things I wish I had not, but when you sign up you do what is asked of you without question. I have been handed coordinates and told to fire, I didn't ask why, I said yes Chief, and fired. The military runs missions all over the world you will never know about, I guess those aren't conflicts, or active comabt duty either.
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There is no distinction, either you are a veteran or you're not. I am a veteran of the United States Navy plain and simple, just like those in the Middle East will be when their time is done.
I disagree. I'll be at 3 years in the military by the time the world ends in 2013. I have not deployed but like you have signed that blank check. That check entitles you and I to veteran status and the numerous professional, economic, and social benefits that entails.
However, the general public uses the term "veteran" in reference to a combat veteran. You and I are not that kind of veteran and it's asinine to pretend there is no distinction. Signing a check and watching the motherf--ker walk to the bank to try and cash it are two different things. I have no desire to misrepresent myself as someone who has actually been called upon to represent the US in armed combat...
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technically you may be right, but think about what the average person expects when they say "a veteran soldier". They usually mean a soldier who has seen active combat duty many times. 'Get me some veteran soldiers! No, I don't mean the ones who spent 8 years in the navy swabbing poop decks, I mean the grizzled military veterans!'
Even though I never saw conflict, I have seen things that I wish I had never seen and done things I wish I had not, but when you sign up you do what is asked of you without question. I have been handed coordinates and told to fire, I didn't ask why, I said yes Chief, and fired. The military runs missions all over the world you will never know about, I guess those aren't conflicts, or active comabt duty either.
So doing what you're told just makes you a good dog, it doesn't make you a combat veteran. Give me a grunt, a good old fashioned grunt who has a knack for surviving firefights over a guy on a ship firing what is essentially long distance artillery. You're a cannoneer. In the olden days, the infantry and cavalry would march right past you to do the dirty work while you fire your cannons from afar.
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So firefighters are veterans
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Yes, assuming they've fought more than one actual fire.
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So firefighters are veterans
And people who ride motorcycles. I mean there you are bravely injecting badassery and moist panties into the lives of Americans and at any second your selfless sacrifice could be ended by a speeding minivan...
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I suppose I'm a veteran drinker by this definition...
vet·er·an (vtr-n, vtrn)
n.
1. A person who is long experienced or practiced in an activity or capacity: a veteran of political campaigns.
2. A person who has served in the armed forces: "Privilege, a token income . . . were allowed for veterans of both world wars" (Mavis Gallant).
3. An old soldier who has seen long service.
adj.
1. Having had long experience or practice: a veteran actor.
2. Of or relating to former members of the armed forces: veteran benefits.
[Latin veternus, from vetus, veter-, old; see wet-2 in Indo-European roots.]
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So doing what you're told just makes you a good dog, it doesn't make you a combat veteran. Give me a grunt, a good old fashioned grunt who has a knack for surviving firefights over a guy on a ship firing what is essentially long distance artillery. You're a cannoneer. In the olden days, the infantry and cavalry would march right past you to do the dirty work while you fire your cannons from afar.
You say that like they might as well have not even been there.
Think of how many walls were taken down, comm centers destroyed, heavy equipment (tanks/apvs/aircraft/etc) disabled, enemies killed by those ranged fighters. How many of their comrades did they save by pounding the enemy from afar?
Yes there are differences between a grunt and a sailor. But we all put our lives in the hands of the military when we signed up. Some people just choose to use their abilities differently.
I spent 9 years in the Navy, 7 of it assigned to the USS West Virginia (SSBN 736B), a ballistic missile sub. I saw no actual combat. I am still a veteran. All the people I served with, from cook to corpsman to captain are veterans. Everyone that has been in the armed services are veterans.
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In the old days being in the service only, didn't make you a veteran, at least not the kind with benefits.
My Dad was in the Marines in the 1930's, but it was his time in the merchant marines (during WWII) that counted to get him veteran status and into a VA home.
It was only because so many Merchant seamen were killed (it turned out to be more dangerous than the regular marines) that I think, made them get that status.
His first wife got some Congressman to get him a transfer or whatever, which by the way he never wanted.
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By ikkoikki's definition, I would not be a veteran either, simply because my 9 years in the Navy were not spent under fire or in a combat situation. My brother spent 22-ish years in the Army and was involved in *both* Iraqi wars/conflicts. He was an advanced combat scout (his MOS), was a Bradley commander, was fired at by Husseini troops (the elite guard because he was actually behind enemy lines) and returned fire, has had his vehicle blown out from under him, twice, and lost part of a finger during some shelling activity. There is no doubt in my mind that my brother has earned his veteran status.
Now, if you ask my brother if I qualify as a veteran, having spent 6 years in the Navy working in AIMD on a carrier (never under fire) and 3 years working as an instructor safe on a shore station, he would still say I'm a veteran and I earned that right just as much as he did. If you served in the armed forces, and did your job, no matter what it was, you are considered a veteran. If you haven't served, then shut your hole until you do so.
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Yes we get it you're a special snowflake because you served. Now move on.
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I serve by posting on ACF and giving you guys, for free, my up to date political opinion and boring daily life occurances
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I still think my definition is the best
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I'm a veteran because I get a retirement check from the Navy every month and I use the VA medical system.
I, like the over whelming majority of all people who ever served (even in war time) never saw combat. I taught math and operated nuclear power plants.... and wouldn't have been a lot of help in combat unless you wanted to parse out some differential equations or perform some PMS on control boards while getting shot at.
I also got to move around a lot, even when I didn't really want to do so, was away from my family for months at a time, living in cramped, ugly, and uncomfortable quarters, giving up my privacy and freedom to just do what the hell I wanted for decades, always on call...every second of every day for decades, couldn't just say "screw this" and do what I wanted, I had to be an adult all the god damn time....and I was always under scrutiny, always had to be aware that everything I did and said was not only about me, it was about the Navy and the USA.
I didn't do it for you, any of you. Didn't do it for my family, or for some notion of duty. I did it because it was my god damn job and what I signed up for. And I got paid well, and continue to get paid well and get some pretty awesome medical care to boot for doing that job.
I couldn't care less whether anyone is impressed or thankful for what I did. Like I said, I didn't join or stay in for all those years for any of them. Even with all the crap I had to put up with that people who never served will never even start to understand, it was a great job and I miss the hell out of it at times. Of course, most of the time I don't.
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I registered with the Selective Service, they didn't call. I signed that check too.
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To be a veteran you sign up
To be a war veteran you sign up and serve in a conflict (any role).
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ikkoikki posted:
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You're not a veteran of combat. You're a veteran of something, but that something is not combat.
There is no distinction, either you are a veteran or you're not. I am a veteran of the United States Navy plain and simple, just like those in the Middle East will be when their time is done.
What do marines think of you navy boys who've never seen combat, I wonder. You're a veteran of swabbing the poop deck, but when we need someone to commit grisly murder with frightening efficiency we'll call the real veterans.
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I wouldnt wish upon anyone the title of "war veteran"
the baggage that comes with it sucks ass.
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i served 3 years army, late 84 to 87, 5 in the national guard after that, all peacetime. the last year in the guard was at the start of gulf war one. my unit never deployed. while i served, i do not consider myself in the same league as those who served in a combat zone. my sister on the other hand, while in the air guard in a A10 unit was sent to iraq two tours, kuwait one, and afganistan one. she may be a bit of a space cadet, but she qualifies as a war vet.
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Acery posted:
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[quote=ikkoikki]You're not a veteran of combat. You're a veteran of something, but that something is not combat.
There is no distinction, either you are a veteran or you're not. I am a veteran of the United States Navy plain and simple, just like those in the Middle East will be when their time is done.
What do marines think of you navy boys who've never seen combat, I wonder. You're a veteran of swabbing the poop deck, but when we need someone to commit grisly murder with frightening efficiency we'll call the real veterans.
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nvm not worth it... you go ACF.
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HAHA^, I saw what you posted. That was about to be trolled hard
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I wouldnt wish upon anyone the title of "war veteran"
the baggage that comes with it sucks ass.
Agree 100%. I have no first hand experience but I have several family members living with that baggage.
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That describes everyone born in the united states.
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A veteran is one thing....being truly proud of what you did while in service is IMO what counts.
What bugs me is a lot of people "deploy to a combat zone." That doesn't really mean crap to anyone who's seen from the inside out. Sitting on a big, safe, FOB with fast food and ish for a year is nothing to write home about. There are so many people whose job overseas is to push paper, logistics, work in a shopette, etc. They're assigned a weapon out of formality. They never even go outside the wire. Are they important? Sure. but will they look back on their service proud? Would anyone else see it as meaningful?
Pretty sure Rage or any other ACF'er who has actually gone out on missons would agree.
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i dont really see the whole point of even making the distinction. I rarely discuss my combat time because either a) people dont give a crap or b) the people who do give a crap cannot relate to what is being relayed.
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i dont really see the whole point of even making the distinction. I rarely discuss my combat time because either a) people dont give a crap or b) the people who do give a crap cannot relate to what is being relayed.
I've no experience but I've grown up knowing an uncle who served in the Marines during Nam, a Grandfather who was a Carlson's Raider, and a best friend who has been on 10+ deployments as an Army Ranger. I like what you said earlier about not wishing "combat veteran" on someone and can tell you first hand that I've seen the changes it causes in some of the closest people to me. Regarding your part b, I know I can't relate, but I try as hard as I can to.
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Someone who hasn't served: "Hurr durr lets nuke X country and go to war... because America! MARGE IM OUTA PORK RINDS, AND IM STUCK IN THE RECLINER"
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i dont really see the whole point of even making the distinction. I rarely discuss my combat time because either a) people dont give a crap or b) the people who do give a crap cannot relate to what is being relayed.
my first command was a JCS tasked outfit, I cant tell you anything more.
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i'm not jaded at all. It's akin to a woman trying to accurately describe to a man what child birth feels like.
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