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I keep hearing people say that unions need to become stronger, and they need to be involved in more areas.
what say you?
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i'm currently in the AFGE, i was in a paperworkers union, and worst of all was a Teamsters division.
unions blow and have severely outlived their usefulness.
it was great in college setting up for trade shows making $27 an hour FOR 16 hours and getting paid for 50!
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jonus156 posted:
I keep hearing people say that unions need to become stronger, and they need to be involved in more areas.
what say you?
You will not hear that same sentiment here, heh.
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Unions are a useful relic from the industrial age. These days, they're more like a necessary evil.
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I think they've outlived their usefulness for the most part.
I guess for factory work and a few other things where you're still talking about collective bargaining for safety issues and hazard pay without fear of termination, it's useful, but otherwise I don't see why most of the unions are necessary.
It seems like now they're more of a political device than an employee rights organization, and I would prefer they stay out of it the same way I'd prefer corporate donors and lobbyists stay out of it.
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Extortion is illegal. They need to be broken up and dissolved.
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I'd be making $4 an hour with no benefits were it not for being in a union
They still have their place
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I'd be making $4 an hour with no benefits were it not for being in a union
They still have their place
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over inflating labor costs?
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Tipztoe posted:
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I'd be making $4 an hour with no benefits were it not for being in a union
They still have their place
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over inflating labor costs?
For a full-time caregiver? Don't think so. It's a PITA.
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They have their uses and their liabilities, it depends widely on how well they're being run.
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With the Fair Labor Standards Act, unions are no longer needed.
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With the Fair Labor Standards Act, unions are no longer needed.
It should be the other way around.
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who doesn't like them, they taste great, red unions on a burger brings out the flavor and adds crunch
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I'd be making $4 an hour with no benefits were it not for being in a union
They still have their place
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Where do you work, in China? Because in the United States minimum wage is higher than that. Jobs that are in even a slight demand command much higher than minimum wage. All the unions do is talk up how essential they are and clip your paycheck to pay the union bosses.
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I support the free association of people.
If an employer is paying crap wage/does not care about individual people... the people should be able to unite to increase their bargaining power and demand better conditions or refuse to work.
If the union goes overboard and starts demanding more than the employees are worth than the employer should be free to use their bargaining power by hiring people who will work for less.
I am not sure why anyone would want to make the free association of people illegal... that violates the U.S. constitution.
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I was in roofing union local 10 in NJ for 8 years. They didn't do anything for it's members unless you were connected to the leadership and leadership only cared about itself. The cons far outweigh the pros as far as I'm concerned.
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I support the free association of people.
If an employer is paying crap wage/does not care about individual people... the people should be able to unite to increase their bargaining power and demand better conditions or refuse to work.
If the union goes overboard and starts demanding more than the employees are worth than the employer should be free to use their bargaining power by hiring people who will work for less.
I am not sure why anyone would want to make the free association of people illegal... that violates the U.S. constitution.
those same free peoples can start their own god damn company.
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Fallen_daemon posted:
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I support the free association of people.
If an employer is paying crap wage/does not care about individual people... the people should be able to unite to increase their bargaining power and demand better conditions or refuse to work.
If the union goes overboard and starts demanding more than the employees are worth than the employer should be free to use their bargaining power by hiring people who will work for less.
I am not sure why anyone would want to make the free association of people illegal... that violates the U.S. constitution.
those same free peoples can start their own god damn company.
Yes they could.
Or they could make the strategic choice of getting a bunch of their friends together and all refusing to work at the same time... that will cost the owner a bunch of money and force them to find new people or negotiate.
Most people like stability so I am guessing that the chance of losing your job is not going to be worth it unless things are pretty bad.
Things are working perfectly... just look at the recent Boeing crap... the Union got greedy and now Boeing is moving to other states... the Union has hurt the employees long term job stability... so the employees should find new leaders who look for their interest.
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Since I live in Wisconsin, I've had this debate at least once a week for the last year. It's getting old.
I voted for Scott Walker, I'll vote for him again. For the sake of politics, I really hope he doesn't lose the recall election. It'll just go to show that unions can buy an election.
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Dark_EternalFF posted:
Tipztoe posted:
JoAyanami posted:
I'd be making $4 an hour with no benefits were it not for being in a union
They still have their place
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over inflating labor costs?
For a full-time caregiver? Don't think so. It's a PITA.
don't tell my wife, I don't pay her very well.
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jeune posted:
Fallen_daemon posted:
jeune posted:
I support the free association of people.
If an employer is paying crap wage/does not care about individual people... the people should be able to unite to increase their bargaining power and demand better conditions or refuse to work.
If the union goes overboard and starts demanding more than the employees are worth than the employer should be free to use their bargaining power by hiring people who will work for less.
I am not sure why anyone would want to make the free association of people illegal... that violates the U.S. constitution.
those same free peoples can start their own god damn company.
Yes they could.
Or they could make the strategic choice of getting a bunch of their friends together and all refusing to work at the same time... that will cost the owner a bunch of money and force them to find new people or negotiate.
Most people like stability so I am guessing that the chance of losing your job is not going to be worth it unless things are pretty bad.
Things are working perfectly... just look at the recent Boeing crap... the Union got greedy and now Boeing is moving to other states... the Union has hurt the employees long term job stability... so the employees should find new leaders who look for their interest.
because they don't have the smarts to that is why, easier to extort than actually own your own company. they are nothing more than a modern mob.
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I support the free association of people.
If an employer is paying crap wage/does not care about individual people... the people should be able to unite to increase their bargaining power and demand better conditions or refuse to work.
or just go work at a place that doesn't suck
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I used to deal with the UAW. There is no lower of a mud sucking worm in the world.... Except maybe someone from SEIU....
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Currently in a union...I think they protect the below average and negatively affect the ability of the company to be competitive in getting work.
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<3 my union... I got injured at work and was out for over 2 months... during that time my HR dept screwed up and and charged me leave and paid me via payroll instead of workmans comp. When my leave dried up... they stopped paying me. I went a full month without pay while out on a work injury. Since returning to work and submitting everything to the union they have been in with HR everyday working towards getting me the money that is owed to me and my leave returned to me.
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Reasonable idea that has been bastardized and survived beyond its usefulness.
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Fallen_daemon posted:
jeune posted:
I support the free association of people.
If an employer is paying crap wage/does not care about individual people... the people should be able to unite to increase their bargaining power and demand better conditions or refuse to work.
If the union goes overboard and starts demanding more than the employees are worth than the employer should be free to use their bargaining power by hiring people who will work for less.
I am not sure why anyone would want to make the free association of people illegal... that violates the U.S. constitution.
those same free peoples can start their own god damn company.
Or they could just mooch off their parent's rentals
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JoAyanami posted:
I'd be making $4 an hour with no benefits were it not for being in a union
They still have their place
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Where do you work, in China? Because in the United States minimum wage is higher than that. Jobs that are in even a slight demand command much higher than minimum wage. All the unions do is talk up how essential they are and clip your paycheck to pay the union bosses.
I'm a third party reimbursed by the state on behalf of my client. Minimum wage laws do not apply.
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Unions were a good idea but they have not been a good idea for quite a long time now. It promotes laziness and a free ride.
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Without reading the replies I will toss my thoughts out. It's a necessary evil. They are needed as a countermeasure to keep corporate conglomerates from taking advantage of people more than they do, but too many people take advantage of the protections unions offer instead of doing their job the way it should be done. If unions were banned the companies would become much worse than they are right now. I personally have never been in a union and don't want to be. Now I will read all the replies.
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Wow, I see very few that see it the way I do. I am surprised.
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Pros and cons. Â They stopped the exploitation of labour which was sorly needed, but they go to far at times too.
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Dont knock unions or even the threat of a union coming in until you work in a "free-will" state.
Especially a state like Oklahoma, where the only labor right laws are the federal laws that they have to abide by.
I understand now why unions where formed to begin with.
So yeah all those worker right laws that you take for granted in your state aren't the same from state to state or region to region.
Like here a employer can make you work a full shift without a break as long as they dont employ minors.
If they have one minor employed, then federal labor laws take effect.
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I have seen a lot of things in my life time.
That is why I walk the line I walk.
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