JD_HOGG posted:

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According to the only eye witness, the six foot tall 17 year old teen was beating the hell out of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman was the one screaming for help that we heard on the 911 call. Not as open and shut as the outraged people would make it seem. They'd like to just skip the trial and hang Zimmerman from a tree.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpnz9y_new-witness-911-tape-proves-tayvon-martin-attacked-george-zimmerman_news

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_Gimpzilla_ posted:

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Trayvon had the right to stand his ground. Some whacko was chasing after him for no good reason and he had to defend himself.

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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The mother of Trayvon Martin has filed two applications to secure trademarks containing her late son’s name, records show.

Sabrina Fulton is seeking marks for the phrases “I Am Trayvon” and “Justice for Trayvon,” according to filings made last week with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. In both instances, Fulton is seeking the trademarks for use on “Digital materials, namely, CDs and DVDs featuring Trayvon Martin,” and other products.

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jeune posted:

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He is dead thanks to a law.

The legislature will most likely change the law after public outrage.

10 years later people will forget and the NRA will lobby the same stupid law and history will repeat.

America... land of the sheeple.

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jeune posted:

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He is dead thanks to a law.

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jeune posted:

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He is dead thanks to a law.

The legislature will most likely change the law after public outrage.

10 years later people will forget and the NRA will lobby the same stupid law and history will repeat.

America... land of the sheeple.

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JD_HOGG posted:

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jeune posted:

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He is dead thanks to a law.

The legislature will most likely change the law after public outrage.

10 years later people will forget and the NRA will lobby the same stupid law and history will repeat.

America... land of the sheeple.

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According to the only eye witness, he's dead because he decided to stalk, jump and beat the piss out of someone who was walking back to their vehicle, and who also happened to be armed.

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jeune posted:

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Some fat dude was following him...

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Aerlinthian posted:

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jeune posted:

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Some fat dude was following him...

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Wrong again. The third party witness corroborated that Zimmerman was walking away from Martin.

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jeune posted:

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JD_HOGG posted:

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jeune posted:

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He is dead thanks to a law.

The legislature will most likely change the law after public outrage.

10 years later people will forget and the NRA will lobby the same stupid law and history will repeat.

America... land of the sheeple.

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According to the only eye witness, he's dead because he decided to stalk, jump and beat the piss out of someone who was walking back to their vehicle, and who also happened to be armed.

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Some fat dude was following him... I would of done the same thing thinking I was about to be raped.

The dude was told not to follow by the 911 operator but decided to take the law into his own hands because he knew he was LEGALLY justified in doing so.

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jeune posted:

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He is dead thanks to a law.

The legislature will most likely change the law after public outrage.

10 years later people will forget and the NRA will lobby the same stupid law and history will repeat.

America... land of the sheeple.

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jeune posted:

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Aerlinthian posted:

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jeune posted:

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Some fat dude was following him...

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Wrong again. The third party witness corroborated that Zimmerman was walking away from Martin.

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What?

We have no idea what happened and that would have been a jury question. There is a lot of conflicting reports of what happened... but I seriously believe that dude was just a raging idiot with horrid judgment who thought he was the community hero.

What he did was WRONG but it is legally justified thanks to idiots who scream ideology instead of thinking.

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JD_HOGG posted:

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jeune posted:

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JD_HOGG posted:

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[quote=jeune]He is dead thanks to a law.

The legislature will most likely change the law after public outrage.

10 years later people will forget and the NRA will lobby the same stupid law and history will repeat.

America... land of the sheeple.

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According to the only eye witness, he's dead because he decided to stalk, jump and beat the piss out of someone who was walking back to their vehicle, and who also happened to be armed.

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Some fat dude was following him... I would of done the same thing thinking I was about to be raped.

The dude was told not to follow by the 911 operator but decided to take the law into his own hands because he knew he was LEGALLY justified in doing so.

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JD_HOGG posted:

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All is not what it seems. Don't be such a sheeple.

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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guess he didnt watch the video.

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Reapist posted:

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Let's consider for a moment that Martin really was up to no good. Should an armed citizen follow him and confront him in any way? Or should his job have been finished when he reported it? He wasn't trained to do what he did, plus, he was not in a police uniform or even have a badge. There's no reason for Martin to respect his authority. Sure, he was armed. But a lot of stupid and/or crazy people are armed.

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-Abysmal- posted:

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wasn't Zimmerman IN his car when the police told him NOT to intervene with Martin???

thought i had heard that several times.

if so, how does he get beat down by a kid he is told to leave alone?

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JD_HOGG posted:

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Reapist posted:

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Let's consider for a moment that Martin really was up to no good. Should an armed citizen follow him and confront him in any way? Or should his job have been finished when he reported it? He wasn't trained to do what he did, plus, he was not in a police uniform or even have a badge. There's no reason for Martin to respect his authority. Sure, he was armed. But a lot of stupid and/or crazy people are armed.

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That's just it. Zimmerman says he never confronted him. He lost sight of him, got out of his car to see if he could spot him, gave up and was headed back to the car and that is when Martin attacked, busted his face, and put him on his back and beat him. That's Zimmerman's story. The third party witness indicated the same. If he wasn't armed, what would be the result here? Felony assault and battery.

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Bork_the_orc posted:

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I don't have a gut feeling about anything of this and there are far too many conflicting reports regarding the facts of the incident. I'll be very interested in reading whatever is uncovered by the grand jury and the feds.

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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-Abysmal- posted:

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wasn't Zimmerman IN his car when the police told him NOT to intervene with Martin???

thought i had heard that several times.

if so, how does he get beat down by a kid he is told to leave alone?

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he was no kid, guy is 6'+

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-Abysmal- posted:

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wasn't Zimmerman IN his car when the police told him NOT to intervene with Martin???

thought i had heard that several times.

if so, how does he get beat down by a kid he is told to leave alone?

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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I remember LA riots. I remember it will. I'm prepared. I would love to see the riots.

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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I remember LA riots. I remember it will. I'm prepared. I would love to see the riots.

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except those cops where guilty beyond the shadow of the doubt and they walked.

there was video tape.


this case is the product of the mass media trying to produce ratings.

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Anebriated posted:

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does everyone with a gun think they are batman? vigilantes, lol.

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Anebriated posted:

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does everyone with a gun think they are batman? vigilantes, lol.

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JD_HOGG posted:

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Bork_the_orc posted:

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I don't have a gut feeling about anything of this and there are far too many conflicting reports regarding the facts of the incident. I'll be very interested in reading whatever is uncovered by the grand jury and the feds.

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If he doesn't get indicted there will be looting and burning you watch.

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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a fit 6'+ thug out kid vs some middle class fat guy. hmm i wonder who will win. also fat guy got a bloody nose and head from the thug.

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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I remember LA riots. I remember it will. I'm prepared. I would love to see the riots.

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except those cops where guilty beyond the shadow of the doubt and they walked.

there was video tape.


this case is the product of the mass media trying to produce ratings.

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actually there was the video tape dude and guess what they only show the later parts of the tape. they didn't show the full tape. the first parts of the tape is Roney king charge at the cops and refused to get down. That is why they didn't convict the cops first time around. But tv didn't bother to show the whole thing. After the riots the commission noted how the media is party to blame for the riots. they didn't bother to show the full tape. most people till this day think Rodney king doesn't deserve to get a beat down.

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Bork_the_orc posted:

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JD_HOGG posted:

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Bork_the_orc posted:

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I don't have a gut feeling about anything of this and there are far too many conflicting reports regarding the facts of the incident. I'll be very interested in reading whatever is uncovered by the grand jury and the feds.

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If he doesn't get indicted there will be looting and burning you watch.

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I don't doubt it, but I don't care. I live in a gated community with a vigilant neighborhood watch program.

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Bork_the_orc posted:

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JD_HOGG posted:

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Bork_the_orc posted:

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I don't have a gut feeling about anything of this and there are far too many conflicting reports regarding the facts of the incident. I'll be very interested in reading whatever is uncovered by the grand jury and the feds.

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If he doesn't get indicted there will be looting and burning you watch.

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I don't doubt it, but I don't care. I live in a gated community with a vigilant neighborhood watch program.

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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[quote=Fallen_daemon]I remember LA riots. I remember it will. I'm prepared. I would love to see the riots.

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except those cops where guilty beyond the shadow of the doubt and they walked.

there was video tape.


this case is the product of the mass media trying to produce ratings.

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actually there was the video tape dude and guess what they only show the later parts of the tape. they didn't show the full tape. the first parts of the tape is Roney king charge at the cops and refused to get down. That is why they didn't convict the cops first time around. But tv didn't bother to show the whole thing. After the riots the commission noted how the media is party to blame for the riots. they didn't bother to show the full tape. most people till this day think Rodney king doesn't deserve to get a beat down.

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JD_HOGG posted:

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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[quote=Sith_Mauler][quote=Fallen_daemon]I remember LA riots. I remember it will. I'm prepared. I would love to see the riots.

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except those cops where guilty beyond the shadow of the doubt and they walked.

there was video tape.


this case is the product of the mass media trying to produce ratings.

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actually there was the video tape dude and guess what they only show the later parts of the tape. they didn't show the full tape. the first parts of the tape is Roney king charge at the cops and refused to get down. That is why they didn't convict the cops first time around. But tv didn't bother to show the whole thing. After the riots the commission noted how the media is party to blame for the riots. they didn't bother to show the full tape. most people till this day think Rodney king doesn't deserve to get a beat down.

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Anebriated posted:

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what is fd posting about? i haven't read any of them.

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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He got out of the car and took 2 steps before he caught a baton in the face. Its one thing to use force to subdue a person but every cop was taking a turn like he was a pinata.
I find it appalling that you can even try to justify the actions of those officers.

Personally I would have been more disappointed if LA didnt riot.

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Webscar posted:

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Wouldn't you beat the crap out of a 250lb man that's stalking you with a gun?

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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Sith you have reading comprehension problems

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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He got out of the car and took 2 steps before he caught a baton in the face. Its one thing to use force to subdue a person but every cop was taking a turn like he was a pinata.
I find it appalling that you can even try to justify the actions of those officers.

Personally I would have been more disappointed if LA didnt riot.

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On March 3, 1991, Rodney King and two passengers were driving west on the Foothill Freeway (I-210) through the Lake View Terrace neighborhood of Los Angeles. The California Highway Patrol (CHP) attempted to initiate a traffic stop. A high-speed pursuit ensued with speeds estimated at up to 115 mph first over freeways and then through residential neighborhoods. When King came to a stop, CHP Officer Timothy Singer and his wife, CHP Officer Melanie Singer, ordered the occupants under arrest.[7]

The tape was roughly ten minutes long. While the case was presented to the court, clips of the incident were not released to the public.[8]

In a later interview, King, who was on parole from prison on a robbery conviction and who had past convictions for assault, battery and robbery,[9][10] said that, being on parole, he feared apprehension and being returned to prison for parole violations.

The footage of King being beaten by police while lying on the ground became a focus for media attention and a rallying point for activists in Los Angeles and around the United States. Coverage was extensive during the initial two weeks after the incident: the Los Angeles Times published forty-three articles about the incident,[11] the New York Times published seventeen articles,[12] and the Chicago Tribune published eleven articles.[13] Eight stories appeared on ABC News, including a sixty-minute special on Primetime Live.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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He got out of the car and took 2 steps before he caught a baton in the face. Its one thing to use force to subdue a person but every cop was taking a turn like he was a pinata.
I find it appalling that you can even try to justify the actions of those officers.

Personally I would have been more disappointed if LA didnt riot.

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On March 3, 1991, Rodney King and two passengers were driving west on the Foothill Freeway (I-210) through the Lake View Terrace neighborhood of Los Angeles. The California Highway Patrol (CHP) attempted to initiate a traffic stop. A high-speed pursuit ensued with speeds estimated at up to 115 mph first over freeways and then through residential neighborhoods. When King came to a stop, CHP Officer Timothy Singer and his wife, CHP Officer Melanie Singer, ordered the occupants under arrest.[7]

The tape was roughly ten minutes long. While the case was presented to the court, clips of the incident were not released to the public.[8]

In a later interview, King, who was on parole from prison on a robbery conviction and who had past convictions for assault, battery and robbery,[9][10] said that, being on parole, he feared apprehension and being returned to prison for parole violations.

The footage of King being beaten by police while lying on the ground became a focus for media attention and a rallying point for activists in Los Angeles and around the United States. Coverage was extensive during the initial two weeks after the incident: the Los Angeles Times published forty-three articles about the incident,[11] the New York Times published seventeen articles,[12] and the Chicago Tribune published eleven articles.[13] Eight stories appeared on ABC News, including a sixty-minute special on Primetime Live.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

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your point is what?
the first few seconds after the cops took him to the ground at that point they should have cuffed and stuffed him, nothing would have been said.
but they didnt, the cops lost their professionalism and continued beating him over and over that is what outraged the people of LA and the nation.

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JD_HOGG posted:

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Rioting by killing ordinary people is useless. Why didn't they have the balls to rush the LAPD and burn the barracks? Because it's easier to loot and kill ordinary people who didn't have anything to do with the original problem.

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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[quote=Sith_Mauler]He got out of the car and took 2 steps before he caught a baton in the face. Its one thing to use force to subdue a person but every cop was taking a turn like he was a pinata.
I find it appalling that you can even try to justify the actions of those officers.

Personally I would have been more disappointed if LA didnt riot.

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On March 3, 1991, Rodney King and two passengers were driving west on the Foothill Freeway (I-210) through the Lake View Terrace neighborhood of Los Angeles. The California Highway Patrol (CHP) attempted to initiate a traffic stop. A high-speed pursuit ensued with speeds estimated at up to 115 mph first over freeways and then through residential neighborhoods. When King came to a stop, CHP Officer Timothy Singer and his wife, CHP Officer Melanie Singer, ordered the occupants under arrest.[7]

The tape was roughly ten minutes long. While the case was presented to the court, clips of the incident were not released to the public.[8]

In a later interview, King, who was on parole from prison on a robbery conviction and who had past convictions for assault, battery and robbery,[9][10] said that, being on parole, he feared apprehension and being returned to prison for parole violations.

The footage of King being beaten by police while lying on the ground became a focus for media attention and a rallying point for activists in Los Angeles and around the United States. Coverage was extensive during the initial two weeks after the incident: the Los Angeles Times published forty-three articles about the incident,[11] the New York Times published seventeen articles,[12] and the Chicago Tribune published eleven articles.[13] Eight stories appeared on ABC News, including a sixty-minute special on Primetime Live.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

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your point is what?
the first few seconds after the cops took him to the ground at that point they should have cuffed and stuffed him, nothing would have been said.
but they didnt, the cops lost their professionalism and continued beating him over and over that is what outraged the people of LA and the nation.

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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Blacks in this country should be treated like everyone else. No special rights. slavery happens along time ago. Their should be no excuses for anything, unless its done directly to you.

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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Blacks in this country should be treated like everyone else. No special rights. slavery happens along time ago. Their should be no excuses for anything, unless its done directly to you.

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The jury consisted of whites latino's and asians only.
Why do you think those races where targeted?

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-Darkfire- posted:

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leave it to minorities to make it about race

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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Blacks in this country should be treated like everyone else. No special rights. slavery happens along time ago. Their should be no excuses for anything, unless its done directly to you.

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The jury consisted of whites latino's and asians only.
Why do you think those races where targeted?

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LOL seriously if you didn't lived in the middle of now where, you would be in so much trouble in the ghetto for being stupid.

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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-Darkfire- posted:

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leave it to minorities to make it about race

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last time i check i'm a majority though out history. I'm part of the largest tribe on earth.

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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[quote=Fallen_daemon]Blacks in this country should be treated like everyone else. No special rights. slavery happens along time ago. Their should be no excuses for anything, unless its done directly to you.

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The jury consisted of whites latino's and asians only.
Why do you think those races where targeted?

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LOL seriously if you didn't lived in the middle of now where, you would be in so much trouble in the ghetto for being stupid.

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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-Darkfire- posted:

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leave it to minorities to make it about race

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last time i check i'm a majority though out history. I'm part of the largest tribe on earth.

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JD_HOGG posted:

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Rioting by killing ordinary people is useless. Why didn't they have the balls to rush the LAPD and burn the barracks? Because it's easier to loot and kill ordinary people who didn't have anything to do with the original problem.

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tillsb posted:

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Hey everyone!!! It's ok to kill people and destroy things if you are mad about something.

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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tillsb posted:

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Hey everyone!!! It's ok to kill people and destroy things if you are mad about something.

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Thats the same idea that started this nation.

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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its never okay for cops to beat a person for no reason at all. but if a criminal acts up and he deserves to get beaten. But in this country where criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens, where criminals can use any excuse to riot and kill innocent people because a event that isn't even related to them that's really messup. and you got idiots defending that practice.

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Hyperimiator posted:

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1722?1803, political leader in the American Revolution, signer of the Declaration of Independence, b. Boston, Mass.; second cousin of John Adams. An unsuccessful businessman, he became interested in politics and was a member (1765?74) and clerk (1766?74) of the lower house of the Massachusetts legislature. As colonial resistance to British laws stiffened, Adams spoke for the discontented and replaced James Otis as leader of the extremists. He drafted a protest against the Stamp Act in 1765 and was one of the organizers of the non-importation agreement (1767) against Great Britain to force repeal of the Townshend Acts. He drew up the Circular Letter to the other colonies, denouncing the acts as taxation without representation. More important, he used his able pen in colonial newspapers and pamphlets to stir up sentiment against the British. His polemics helped to bring about the Boston Massacre. With the help of such men as John Hancock he organized the revolutionary Sons of Liberty and helped to foment revolt through the Committees of Correspondence. He was the moving spirit in the Boston Tea Party. Gen. Thomas Gage issued (1775) a warrant for the arrest of Adams and Hancock, but they escaped punishment and continued to stir up lethargic patriots. Samuel Adams was a member (1774?81) of the Continental Congress, but after independence was declared his influence declined; the "radical" was replaced by more conservative leaders, who tended to look upon Adams as an irresponsible agitator. He later served (1794?97) as governor of Massachusetts.


---------- They should have been hanged, right, all you conservatives.

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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its never okay for cops to beat a person for no reason at all. but if a criminal acts up and he deserves to get beaten. But in this country where criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens, its mess up. where criminals can use any excuse to riot and kill innocent people its okay now that is mess up. and you got idiots defending that practice.

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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its never okay for cops to beat a person for no reason at all. but if a criminal acts up and he deserves to get beaten. But in this country where criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens, its mess up. where criminals can use any excuse to riot and kill innocent people its okay now that is mess up. and you got idiots defending that practice.

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the original charges against the cops was use of excessive force. thats all.
12 jurors couldn't convict 4 cops on those charges.7 cops are shown in the video.
I dont know what world those jurors live in, where what was provided in the video isnt considered excessive force.

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Hyperimiator posted:

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See my signature, blacks didn't get civil rights till there was violence in the streets which to a great extent was prevented by MLK's policy of nonviolence.

However that didn't stop the black panthers.

Kill Obama and the cities of the USA will run with blood, and the backlash against all things conservative will be immense.

People are fed up about being lied to.

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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the system of citizens didn't convict them, so its okay for people to riot and kill other innocents?


So next time when people find something they don't like. lets all go out and riot kill innocent people? lol

omg they make pot illegal. i'm gonna kill some innocent person that has nothing to do with pot being illegal.

it holds no logic or reasoning just simply stupidity.

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Hyperimiator posted:

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See my signature, blacks didn't get civil rights till there was violence in the streets which to a great extent was prevented by MLK's policy of nonviolence.

However that didn't stop the black panthers.

Kill Obama and the cities of the USA will run with blood, and the backlash against all things conservative will be immense.

People are fed up about being lied to.

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Hyperimiator posted:

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JD_HOGG posted:

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Rioting by killing ordinary people is useless. Why didn't they have the balls to rush the LAPD and burn the barracks? Because it's easier to loot and kill ordinary people who didn't have anything to do with the original problem.

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Because LAPD only guarded the police buildings during the riots they fell back from guarding propoerty in a stunt the chief ordered cause he was sick of funding problems, he got fired as a result. (maybe he resigned but same thing).\

I was living in LA when that whole thing went down.

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Webscar posted:

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Wouldn't you beat the crap out of a 250lb man that's stalking you with a gun?

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Arc_DT posted:

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I do see one heck of a *civil* case against Zimmerman, as he exceeded the rules of his neighborhood watch by being armed, and this incident would not have occurred had he followed the explicit instructions of the 911 operator. These points might have been forgivable as a private citizen, but he identified himself as a member of his neighborhood watch and was operating under its authority. (I don't see much of a civil case against the police unless Zimmerman were convicted, as their negligence was shameful but did not lead to Martin's death nor in that case to letting a murderer skate.)

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jeune posted:

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Arc_DT posted:

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I do see one heck of a *civil* case against Zimmerman, as he exceeded the rules of his neighborhood watch by being armed, and this incident would not have occurred had he followed the explicit instructions of the 911 operator. These points might have been forgivable as a private citizen, but he identified himself as a member of his neighborhood watch and was operating under its authority. (I don't see much of a civil case against the police unless Zimmerman were convicted, as their negligence was shameful but did not lead to Martin's death nor in that case to letting a murderer skate.)

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The law got rid of civil liability too.

Just a crappy situation all around. Zimmerman cannot be charged after the fact if he acted legally.

Only good that can come out of this is proof that the NRA law was a failure and it gets repealed by the legislature.

Probably a reason the common law developed like it did to use lethal force in self defense. Usually you can only use it in your home/place of work or in a situation with no other option. That would be a jury question. It probably developed that way for situations like this.

Hopefully Florida wakes up changes the law and we do not see this again.

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jeune posted:

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Arc_DT posted:

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I do see one heck of a *civil* case against Zimmerman, as he exceeded the rules of his neighborhood watch by being armed, and this incident would not have occurred had he followed the explicit instructions of the 911 operator. These points might have been forgivable as a private citizen, but he identified himself as a member of his neighborhood watch and was operating under its authority. (I don't see much of a civil case against the police unless Zimmerman were convicted, as their negligence was shameful but did not lead to Martin's death nor in that case to letting a murderer skate.)

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The law got rid of civil liability too.

Just a crappy situation all around. Zimmerman cannot be charged after the fact if he acted legally.

Only good that can come out of this is proof that the NRA law was a failure and it gets repealed by the legislature.

Probably a reason the common law developed like it did to use lethal force in self defense. Usually you can only use it in your home/place of work or in a situation with no other option. That would be a jury question. It probably developed that way for situations like this.

Hopefully Florida wakes up changes the law and we do not see this again.

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jeune posted:

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The kid would be alive today if it was not for the law. It is obvious this dude knew the law... he was studying to be a cop and doing neighborhood watch.

The law empowered this dude to run around acting like a cop. If you do something this stupid you should not be protected by the law.

The kid called one of his friends telling her that a weird dude was stalking him... she told him to run and he said no... apparently she was on the phone when the confrontation happened too.

Really this is what the law was designed for... so you could have your gun-toting NRA member save the community. The gun ideology just started clouding common sense for people... the law was working perfectly fine before and you do not need to add another loop-hole for murder.

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jeune posted:

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The kid would be alive today if it was not for the law. It is obvious this dude knew the law... he was studying to be a cop and doing neighborhood watch.

The law empowered this dude to run around acting like a cop. If you do something this stupid you should not be protected by the law.

The kid called one of his friends telling her that a weird dude was stalking him... she told him to run and he said no... apparently she was on the phone when the confrontation happened too.

Really this is what the law was designed for... so you could have your gun-toting NRA member save the community. The gun ideology just started clouding common sense for people... the law was working perfectly fine before and you do not need to add another loop-hole for murder.

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JD_HOGG posted:

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nvrmnd

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ikkoikki posted:

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Even if Trayvon beat up Zimmerman, does that justify the use of deadly force?

A guy comes at you with fists, so you come back with guns? No.

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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ikkoikki posted:

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Even if Trayvon beat up Zimmerman, does that justify the use of deadly force?

A guy comes at you with fists, so you come back with guns? No.

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Isnt that the point of carrying concealed?
If someone attacks you, you dont know what their true intentions are, so do you ask are you going to kill me or just beat me up?
Before you decide to use deadly force.

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ikkoikki posted:

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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ikkoikki posted:

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Even if Trayvon beat up Zimmerman, does that justify the use of deadly force?

A guy comes at you with fists, so you come back with guns? No.

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Isnt that the point of carrying concealed?
If someone attacks you, you dont know what their true intentions are, so do you ask are you going to kill me or just beat me up?
Before you decide to use deadly force.

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All I know is one kid was armed with a soft drink and some candy, and the other guy (who is also bigger and heavier) was armed with a gun. People call Trayvon a thug, but Zimmerman is the guy who acted thuggishly, no? He escalated the sitution the moment he pulled out his gun. I don't believe for one second that Trayvon set upon this man unprovoked and started beating him viciously for no reason.

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Rhodoman posted:

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Even if the facts of the case bear out Zimmerman's story and innocence, the police NOT arresting him will continue to cause a huge stink for weeks or months.

Rho

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ikkoikki posted:

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Sith_Mauler posted:

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ikkoikki posted:

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Even if Trayvon beat up Zimmerman, does that justify the use of deadly force?

A guy comes at you with fists, so you come back with guns? No.

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Isnt that the point of carrying concealed?
If someone attacks you, you dont know what their true intentions are, so do you ask are you going to kill me or just beat me up?
Before you decide to use deadly force.

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All I know is one kid was armed with a soft drink and some candy, and the other guy (who is also bigger and heavier) was armed with a gun. People call Trayvon a thug, but Zimmerman is the guy who acted thuggishly, no? He escalated the sitution the moment he pulled out his gun. I don't believe for one second that Trayvon set upon this man unprovoked and started beating him viciously for no reason.

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jeune posted:

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The law got rid of civil liability too.

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Arc_DT posted:

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jeune posted:

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The law got rid of civil liability too.

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I thought you claimed to be a law student at Dartmouth. The liability is not in the shooting itself. It's in creating the situation where the shooting was necessary. Lawyers who are actually competent can make that distinction to the jury. If he negligently created the situation, then he wouldn't even have to have been the shooter to be liable. It was a foreseeable consequence of him ignoring instruction to not pursue, and the stand your ground statute doesn't cover that.

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JD_HOGG posted:

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Once again though, facts ignored.  You guys aren't even reading the materials readily available, just sucking up the crap that Al Sharpton is saying on MSNBC, right?  

Zimmerman did not call 911.  He called a non emergency police number.  I listened to the recording.  I read the transcripts.  They did not give him explicit instructions to not follow Martin.

Operator:  "Are you following him?"
Zimmerman:  "Yeah"
Operator:  "Ok we don't need you to do that."

When I tell my kids to not play with matches, I don't say "Hey kids, I don't need you to play with matches."

That is NOT an explicit instruction.  

However, Zimmerman did take that as an instruction, he clearly answered "Ok" and he started back for his vehicle, telling the operator he'd meet the police at the clubhouse.  On his way back, Martin approached him from behind and they had some words, and Martin punched him, breaking his nose, knocking him on his back and began beating him, bashing his head against the sidewalk.  Police found him bloodied, broken nose, a gash on his head, grass stains and wet on his back.  

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jeune posted:

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2) the law immunizes the whole situation so you cannot second guess EVER.

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ikkoikki posted:

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Even if Trayvon beat up Zimmerman, does that justify the use of deadly force?

A guy comes at you with fists, so you come back with guns? No.

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Hiakisha posted:

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either way one is hispanic, one is black and i dont give a crap

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tillsb posted:

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Hiakisha posted:

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either way one is hispanic, one is black and i dont give a crap until they riot and kill white people

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jeune posted:

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how does that make it rise to the level of civil liability? He did not break any law

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Maleraka posted:

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tillsb posted:

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Hiakisha posted:

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either way one is hispanic, one is black and i dont give a crap until they riot and kill none black/hispanic people

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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Gaevren posted:

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This is exactly how it all went down. Only with fist waving instead of sword waving.

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Itab posted:

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Gaevren posted:

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This is exactly how it all went down. Only with fist waving instead of sword waving.

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Lol

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levgre posted:

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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That is not a picture of this Trayvon Martin. Someone on a neo-nazi website just googled his name and grabbed it off a facebook profile. Same name, young black male = same guy right?

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Jyiiga posted:

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None of you were there. None of you know the full picture. Each of you is insanely bias.

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jeune posted:

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JD_HOGG posted:

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jeune posted:

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He is dead thanks to a law.

The legislature will most likely change the law after public outrage.

10 years later people will forget and the NRA will lobby the same stupid law and history will repeat.

America... land of the sheeple.

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According to the only eye witness, he's dead because he decided to stalk, jump and beat the piss out of someone who was walking back to their vehicle, and who also happened to be armed.

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Some fat dude was following him... I would of done the same thing thinking I was about to be raped.

The dude was told not to follow by the 911 operator but decided to take the law into his own hands because he knew he was LEGALLY justified in doing so.

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levgre posted:

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Fallen_daemon posted:

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That is not a picture of this Trayvon Martin. Someone on a neo-nazi website just googled his name and grabbed it off a facebook profile. Same name, young black male = same guy right?

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Didn't know Trayvon was a popular name.

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Kriegprojekt posted:

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levgre posted:

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[quote=Fallen_daemon]

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That is not a picture of this Trayvon Martin. Someone on a neo-nazi website just googled his name and grabbed it off a facebook profile. Same name, young black male = same guy right?

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Didn't know Trayvon was a popular name.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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This is going to end badly no matter what.

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Hyperimiator posted:

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As I understand it Zimmerman's dad is a judge or was one, which would explain how he got off of previous violence charges.


Here is one of them...


Record Count: 4
Search By: Party Exact Name: on Party Search Mode: Name Last Name: Zimmerman First Name: George Case Status: Closed Date Filed On or After: 01/01/2005 Date Filed On or Before: 01/01/2006 Sort By: Filed Date
Case Number Citation Number Style/Defendant Info Filed/Location/Judicial Officer Type/Status Charge(s)
2005-CF-009525-A-O
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983

07/18/2005
Div 10
OKane, Julie H

Criminal Felony
Closed

CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
2005-MM-010436-A-O
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983

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levgre posted:

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Kriegprojekt posted:

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[quote=levgre][quote=Fallen_daemon]

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That is not a picture of this Trayvon Martin. Someone on a neo-nazi website just googled his name and grabbed it off a facebook profile. Same name, young black male = same guy right?

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Didn't know Trayvon was a popular name.

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Hyperimiator posted:

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Sanford Police Department posted 46, 911 calls zimmerman prior to the shooting. zimmermans 36th call to 911:36. April 22, 2011 – 7:09 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Juvenile black male “apprx 7–9” years old, four feet tall “skinny build short blk hair” last seen wearing a blue t-shirt and blue shorts here is the link you can see it for yourself:http://www.thedailybeast.com/a... if that isn't sastifactory enough here is the link for the PDF the 911 call history received from george zimmermans, http://www.sanfordfl.gov/inves...

Maybe next time he can kill a 9 year old in "self defense".

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Hyperimiator posted:

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Trayvon called 911 himself, the FBI is analyzing the call in an attempt to separate Zimmerman's voice, in order to either corroborate or disprove his (Zimmerman's) statement.

Why would a "thug" call 911 himself if he was a punk out to commit a crime?

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