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The media is typically bias against the accused murderer.
People seem surprised in this case.
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The media is typically bias against the accused murderer.
People seem surprised in this case.
Only because they are politically motivated with this case. If it was some black dude that was accused of robbing a convenience store we all know paul wouldn't care.
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I look at those picture and nothing in the situation changes in any way.The fact that it dose change things for some of you,says more about you than the media.
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I thought the same thing. Oh look, a 17 year old black guy all dressed up for middle school.
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If by "fair" you mean "stupid" then yeah it's fair.
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If by "fair" you mean "stupid" then yeah it's fair.
You don't think public opinion would be influenced if they'd used the 2nd set of pictures instead of the first?
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Public opinion was pretty strong before any photos were released, at least in this part of the country. And what possible reason would "the media" have for skewing this? Is "the media" biased against Hispanics with German last names? Or do teh blacks now control the media? 
And do you have any evidence that this other picture was out there and available at the time this was reported? is it possible that "the media" was simply showing the only picture they had of the guy at the time? Hell, I saw that bottom picture of Zimmerman on TV last night (Dateline NBC, where the B stands for BIASED!) so it isn't like there's some conspiracy afoot to suppress it.
I would not be surprised in the least to discover that the NRA or someone else who supports these stupid Stand Your Ground laws behind that obviously biased jpeg you posted above.
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So it's biased to show both sets of pictures but it wasn't biased to just show the one set?
Got it.
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So it's biased to show both sets of pictures but it wasn't biased to just show the one set?
Got it.
lol are you really this stupid?
Was Zimmerman shown shirtless with two birds flying in EITHER set?
Also, exactly what media outlet was showing ONLY the first set of pics? I have never even seen that first pic of Martin before this thread.
Your gif shows two sets of pictures. The first illustrates perceived bias by the creator of that demotivational. The second shows actual bias. And then claims it is doing so to "even things out."
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Your gif shows two sets of pictures. The first illustrates perceived bias by the creator of that demotivational. The second shows actual bias. And then claims it is doing so to "even things out."
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Ashmaele posted:
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So it's biased to show both sets of pictures but it wasn't biased to just show the one set?
Got it.
lol are you really this stupid?
Was Zimmerman shown shirtless with two birds flying in EITHER set?
No, he was shown in a prisoner jumpsuit. There's a reason lawyers don't bring their clients to court wearing prisoner jumpsuits. Because it's a well known fact that doing so biases the jury. Are you going to pretend like you didn't know that already?
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Also, exactly what media outlet was showing ONLY the first set of pics? I have never even seen that first pic of Martin before this thread.
Those were the only pictures I'd seen of them until I ran across this new set.
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In order to prove bias they need to show that other (more flattering) pics of Zimmerman were available but "the media" refused to show any but that one pic. And even that wouldn't prove it entirely.
Who ever said that other pic of Zimmerman was a mug shot? How do we know he's wearing prison clothes there? Because the creator of that demotivational says so? That could just as easily have been a driver's license photo for all we know.
And assuming that is a mug shot, how often does "the media" print/show pictures of peoples' mug shots when they are doing stories about those people being accused of wrongdoing? 100% of the time or > 95% of the time? Where is all the whining about "media bias" in those cases? Should Zimmerman get special treatment ?
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ineenia posted:
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Your gif shows two sets of pictures. The first illustrates perceived bias by the creator of that demotivational. The second shows actual bias. And then claims it is doing so to "even things out."
that statement is absurd. Ridiculous even.
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Your gif shows two sets of pictures. The first illustrates perceived bias by the creator of that demotivational. The second shows actual bias. And then claims it is doing so to "even things out."
that statement is absurd. Ridiculous even.
Do you have some evidence of bias anywhere other than in that demotivational in the OP? If so please present it.
The creator of that pic has an obvious agenda, whether or not "the media" has one.
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Those are the two pics I saw in the media. now we don't know why they were presented. I don't know or care if the media has a bias. BUT we can be pretty sure the family provided the picture of the kid. And my guess is they picked the ones where he looked most like the baby they loved not thug number 3 in a rap video.
I don't even care about the bias, but you acting like one didn't exist when those pictures were chosen, whether chosen by the news agencies or whatever is pretty funny. See I don't know who chose those pics to display on the news or why. but you do. That's why it was absurd.
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I never said the parents of the kid weren't biased.
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In order to prove bias they need to show that other (more flattering) pics of Zimmerman were available but "the media" refused to show any but that one pic. And even that wouldn't prove it entirely.
The maker of the demotivational found the other two pictures.
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Who ever said that other pic of Zimmerman was a mug shot?
It might not be. Maybe he wears a prison jumpsuit at home and doesn't smile for pictures. Sure looks like a mug shot though. Which is kinda the point.
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And assuming that is a mug shot, how often does "the media" print/show pictures of peoples' mug shots when they are doing stories about those people being accused of wrongdoing? 100% of the time or > 95% of the time? Where is all the whining about "media bias" in those cases? Should Zimmerman get special treatment ?
Whining? All I said was that it was a fair point. The choice of pictures can and does create bias. You've already admitted that by calling the 2nd set biasing. The only point of dispute is whether the first set is biasing.
100% of defense attorneys agree with me. ineeenia agrees with you.
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The second picture of Zimmerman was on Dateline last night. I had never seen it before then. It could be that is where the maker of the pic got it. I've literally only seen two pics of the guy, those two above. I've seen dozens of the kid. Maybe I'm blind or just naive but it never crossed my mind until now that that first pic of Zimmerman was a mug shot. But it wouldn't surprise me if it was. Like I said, news outlets regularly lead with pics of mug shots when someone who's been in trouble before is accused of wrongdoing.
Again, for all we know "the media" never actually even displayed these two pics side by side at all. This could easily be a manufactured example of "bias" for all we know.
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That picture is a mug shot for something he got arrested for 5 yrs prior. Zimmerman wasn't arrested or guilty of anything according to the police yet the media still used a 5 yr old mug shot to show the evil hispanic killer in the media instead of a more recent photo. For all this guilt being tossed around and fed involvement its kinda surprising he hasnt been arrested yet. Wonder what the evidence is showing so far thats keeping him free all this time
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Oh don't get me wrong. I think Zimmerman should be investigated and arrested. All indications are that he was harassing an innocent kid. The big outstanding question is what crime should he be convicted of. Should it be murder or something less.
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All I know is that when (and it will) this finally works its way through the courts, there is little hope for there to be anything but Rodney King style riots if the verdict is anything but guilty for Zimmerman...
If I were that dude, I'd be trying to see about careers overseas in non-extradition countries.
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CNN was publicly asking Zimmerman or his representation to provide them with other pictures acknowledging on air that was the only photo they could find on the day the story was released.
Not only that Zimmerman has at least 4 arrest for violent crimes including assault on a police officer,the picture doesn't portray him unfairly
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Not only that Zimmerman has at least 4 arrest for violent crimes including assault on a police officer,the picture doesn't portray him unfairly
Bias and fairness aren't the same thing. If he's a murderer then the fair thing would be to hang him in the town square.
The fact that the mug shot is biasing is unrelated to his guilt or innocence.
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paulg_68 posted:
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Not only that Zimmerman has at least 4 arrest for violent crimes including assault on a police officer,the picture doesn't portray him unfairly
Bias and fairness aren't the same thing. If he's a murderer then the fair thing would be to hang him in the town square.
The fact that the mug shot is biasing is unrelated to his guilt or innocence.
You left out the first part that demonstrated there was no bias and that the picture shown was due to a lack of variety of pictures available.
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Because mug shots are the only place the media can get pictures? They came up with a picture of Trayvon that wasn't a mug shot.
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The mob is set for a lynching. Bring out the victim!
I wonder how many Hispanics will be killed over this? I wonder if anyone will even find out as it would hardly be newsworthy.
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Because mug shots are the only place the media can get pictures? They came up with a picture of Trayvon that wasn't a mug shot.
What made me think that it was a regular pic as opposed to a mug shot is the presence of a collar on the shirt, I don't think I've ever seen polo style prison shirts.
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Something bothers me about this, tell me if I'm off base:
http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-told-cops-teenager-went-gun-030349812--abc-news.html
George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch crime captain who shot dead 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, originally told police in a written statement that Martin knocked him down with a punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, a police source told ABC News.
In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin.
Shouldn't he also have seen Martin on top of him trying to get the gun at exactly that point?
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Whoops
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/03/trayvon_martin_no_thats_not_hi.php
Update: Wonderfully, Business Insider touted the bogus photo as accurate in a story on how the media is badly reporting the Trayvon Martin saga. Their source for the photo: white power message board Stormfront.
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So choice of pictures does cause bias?
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I read the left, right and middle writers on an issue and then decide for myself. For those so far to the left that they think the middle is far right; here is the far right view of the issue.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/03/26/trayvon-martin-and-the-politics-of-racial-guilt/2/
When at the beginning of March, Allen Coon, a thirteen-year-old boy, was set on fire by two black teenagers who told him, “You get what you deserve, white boy,†this did not prove to be an occasion for national soul-searching. But the shooting death of Trayvon Martin by a Hispanic neighborhood watch captain after a scuffle between the two men has led to hysterical media coverage, state and federal investigations, civil rights marches, lynching threats from the Black Panthers and a statement from Obama urging Americans to search their souls for some unspecified reason.
Even Trayvon Martin only matters because he is in some hypothetical sense linked to Obama, and every trending topic from Jeremy Lin to the million hoodie march must be commented on by him in some way to demonstrate his own relevance in the mobius strip of fame. There can be no 2012 election without the race card, and so Martin was posthumously drafted into the Obama family portrait that appears on campaign ads to remind the rest of the country that they still need to feel guilty and vote the left’s ticket.
The Trayvon Martin case was far from the worst shooting death this year. Or even the worst shooting death involving an African-American victim. That honor might belong to Delric Waymon Miller IV, a nine-month-old boy killed in Detroit when his house was peppered with an AK-47 assault rifle just last month. The investigation on that one is still ongoing and could presumably benefit from federal assistance, which it won’t receive because there is no political payday from highlighting black on black violence. Or from helping to solve a crime instead of stirring up racial hate.
Obama knows better than most how the game is played. As a descendant of privileged Africans and American whites, he has no skin in the game; he is an outside observer of the dysfunction of Americans of both colors and an expert at manipulating their tensions for his own benefit. Having played out hope, he has fastened on guilt, a primal emotion that promises nothing, but takes everything. Much as he has done. To complete the great work, he will work the power of guilt and promise once again to lift the sin of racism from us, if we only shut down our minds, forget about our jobs and businesses, and blindly push the lever once more.
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paulg_68 posted:
So when racists post pictures that aren't even of the guy in question trying to make a point they're probably biased?
Indeed!
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Why would it matter if choice of picture doesn't create bias?
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Weird that I never said that but whatever. Your racist noob source has been outed for its racist noobishness. Hell you're probably the racist noob that created the pic in the first place
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You mean if you go to a web site with a picture like that you must be racist?
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