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There are times when someone brings the entire point into a simple statement. Obama's plans have as much chance of working as we have of fueling our future with unicorn farts
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/03/19/barack-obamas-energy-policy-unicorn-farts/
On Friday, the President of the United States accused his Republican opponents of being members of the Flat Earth Society because of their demands that the nation increase drilling.
In no small bit of irony, the President who bitterly lamented the rise of ATM’s and internet travel options accused the GOP of wanting to bitterly cling to the past.
But what of Barack Obama’s energy policy? He likes to tout wind and solar technologies and batteries, but it seems while he accuses the GOP of being flat earthers, the reality is that the President is himself anti-science when it comes to the reality of domestic energy needs.
His solution to fueling our cars amounts to using unicorn farts as gas — which has just as much a chance of happening as the mythic battery powered cross country run.
The facts are pretty simple. As a matter of both science and reality, battery technology is neither good enough nor cheap enough to supply American needs relating to transportation. Even were there batteries available for vehicles, the cost of conversion for the tens of millions of cars on the road right now would be cost prohibitive and increasing fuel standards, resulting in smaller and smaller cars, penalize families. Try piling a family of four in a Prius for a trip to grand mom’s house for Spring Break. The luggage and leg room will make for an exciting time.
Even beyond the family car, a battery will not put an 18 wheeler on the road, a 747 in the air, or a locomotive on its rails. Americans depend on crude oil right now and in the future. To cling to the hope of a battery that can meet American automotive needs is anti-science and as realistic as fueling our future with unicorn farts.
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I think people deeply underestimate what a huge problem this day-night issue is if you're trying to design an energy system involving solar technology that's more than just a hobby. You know the sun shines during the day, and people turn their air conditioners on during the day, so you can catch some of that peaking load, particularly if you get enough subsidies. It's cute you know, it's nice. But the economics are so, so far from making sense.… And so unfortunately you get technologies that, no matter how much of them you buy, there's no path to being economical.
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If our nation had invested heavily into public transportation, both on a local and interstate scale, you wouldn't need to own a car.
Our country will struggle with transportation until a viable mass transit option is created that can service the majority of people's transportation needs.
This is one area where we are far behind other first world nations, and it's only going to get worse with rising oil prices and falling incomes.
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If our nation had invested heavily into public transportation, both on a local and interstate scale, you wouldn't need to own a car.
Our country will struggle with transportation until a viable mass transit option is created that can service the majority of people's transportation needs.
This is one area where we are far behind other first world nations, and it's only going to get worse with rising oil prices and falling incomes.
You want to put even more money into this black hole? How about you check it out for real before repeating the talking point?
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Providing a good public transportation option would be good way of relieving the already strained budgets of the working class.
The reality is that we cannot afford for everyone to provide their own transportation.
The lower classes are very quickly being priced out of automobile ownership.
Oil is a dead end. That doesn't mean current alternatives are better, but we have to face reality.
There will be a post oil world. How will people get around?
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If our nation had invested heavily into public transportation, both on a local and interstate scale, you wouldn't need to own a car.
Wow, talk about delusional. I live in one of the most public transportation concentrated cities in the U.S., if you think public transportation is any kind of ultimate solution, you clearly don't know jack about the real world.
You could take every American in the U.S., herd them into cities and still not have a viable public transportation only solution.
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If our nation had invested heavily into public transportation, both on a local and interstate scale, you wouldn't need to own a car.
Wow, talk about delusional. I live in one of the most public transportation concentrated cities in the U.S., if you think public transportation is any kind of ultimate solution, you clearly don't know jack about the real world.
You could take every American in the U.S., herd them into cities and still not have a viable public transportation only solution.
Every other first world country has figured it out - you saying America's can't figure that shit out?
What happened to that can do attitude?
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There are no guarantees in life, or in the world in general.
If you never experiemnt and try to develop and refine things that harness and run off other than coal+oil, then you will NEVER succeed.
Of course people who pride themselves on being an igorant conservative (in the real sense of the word), will define the old, established combustion engines as optimal forever for all purposes, and discard anything else.
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This isn't even worth arguing. If you people really think that public transportation is a end all, be all solution, you're ****ing insane.
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This isn't even worth arguing.
With you, nothing is worth arguing.
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This isn't even worth arguing. If you people really think that public transportation is a end all, be all solution, you're ****ing insane.
It's not the end all be all solution. No one said it is.
But wages are stagnant and the cost of private transportation is going up.
So I'll ask you, how are people going to get around?
We need reliable, affordable and sustainable transportation. How are we going to do it?
Without it our economy is doomed.
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This isn't even worth arguing. If you people really think that public transportation is a end all, be all solution, you're ****ing insane.
Only a liberal would think things that have been around from 50 to 500 years is new. Obama is giving his friends billions to live high on the hog and you really think it is an investement.
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Obama's failings and cronyism do not remove the need for alternative sources of energy and new ways to transport people.
Those are realities we are facing.
What are we going to do? You have yet to offer a solution.
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You could take every American in the U.S., herd them into cities and still not have a viable public transportation only solution.
If you try to make 'public transportation would help alleviate some of the economic stress of the lower classes' and turn it into 'LULZ every1 shud ride da bus!' then you really are being either shortsighted or intentionally obtuse. Nobody said everyone should abandon their cars and only use public transportation.Aerlinthian posted:
This isn't even worth arguing. If you people really think that public transportation is a end all, be all solution, you're ****ing insane.
Again, putting words into peoples' mouths. Nobody said it was THE solution, that fixes everything. It would take some of the load off, which could make all the difference - and is more than just continuing to live in the current setting seems to be doing.
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Obama has to say that because he took all that money from environmental lobby groups. They got their moneys worth with him.
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It's not the end all be all solution. No one said it is.
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Where public transportation makes sense it doesn't really need public funding. It can be run for profit.
All the government needs to do is clear away the red tape and assist with eminent domain and such.
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The fact is liberals hate the poor people have private transportation. They want the rabble on public transportation.
This is a fact
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Yep, that sums up the general logic pattern of the collectivists.
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The fact is liberals hate the poor people have private transportation. They want the rabble on public transportation.
This is a fact.
It is indeed a fact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_moses
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The worst part is they dont want to go on public transportation themself because they are too important and they need private transportation for whatever reason. They want the poor people, the rabble, to use it.
They really are hypocritical elitists.
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The rabble tends to get in the way of their limo. Best to clear the street for their betters.
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The former mayor of seattle tried to get everyone to ride a bike but he rode his fatass in a SUV for security reasons. He is typical. Get the rabble on mass transit out of their cars not the liberal elite
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I use public transportation every day. Works great. Way better than trying to drive into SF.
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It's not the end all be all solution. No one said it is.
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If our nation had invested heavily into public transportation, both on a local and interstate scale, you wouldn't need to own a car.
Not needing to own a car doesn't mean you wouldn't have uses for one.
Did no one ever teach you the difference between needs and wants?
So simple minded.
When I say need I mean need. I know a lot of people who need a job. They also need a way to get to a job, but they can't afford car. How are they supposed to get around?
They need public transportation.
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Grocery shopping without a car would suck.
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Grocery shopping without a car would suck.
Yet hundreds of millions of people do it everyday without a single complaint...
In high population areas grocery shopping with a car sucks ass. Traffic, parking, gas, paying for parking... Eff that.
Why are certain segments of our society so dead set on preventing progress for everyone else???
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Why are certain segments of our society so dead set on forcing everyone else to pay for what they want??????
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There you go confusing need and want again.
Whether or not you want to admit it you need other people, and other people need you.
We all benefit from having other people there to help us with our burdens. That's the point of civilization.
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Why are certain segments of our society so dead set on forcing everyone else to pay for what they want??????
And that has what to do with public transportation? As said above, it can be run for profit, nobody has to pay for it unless they're using it.
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Why are certain segments of our society so dead set on forcing everyone else to pay for what they want??????
I'm sorry
Please explain who is forcing who for what?
Why are you forcing people who can't afford a car to ...
Wait right you are not worth argueing with...
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Yep, that sums up the general logic pattern of the collectivists.
Only you could take such a ridiculous and light hearted image and make it into something pretentious and ponderous. 
You prolly would have been more popular as a child if you didn't wet your swim trunks all the time.
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Mass public transportation in cities is reasonable. Several cities have reasonable transportation - NYC and DC for example. However, the size of the US makes mass public transportation for movement through the country prohibitive. Regardless, no subsidies either ... make a system viable on its own or hang it up!
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I think people deeply underestimate what a huge problem this day-night issue is if you're trying to design an energy system involving solar technology that's more than just a hobby. You know the sun shines during the day, and people turn their air conditioners on during the day, so you can catch some of that peaking load, particularly if you get enough subsidies. It's cute you know, it's nice. But the economics are so, so far from making sense.… And so unfortunately you get technologies that, no matter how much of them you buy, there's no path to being economical.
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I think people deeply underestimate what a huge problem this day-night issue is if you’re trying to design an energy system involving solar technology that’s more than just a hobby. You know, the sun shines during the day, and people turn their air conditioners on during the day, so you can catch some of that peaking load, particularly if you get enough subsidies. It’s cute, you know, it’s nice. But the economics are so, so far from making sense. And yet that’s where subsidies are going now. We’re putting 90 percent of the subsidies in deployment—this is true in Europe and the United States—not in R&D. And so unfortunately you get technologies that, no matter how much of them you buy, there’s no path to being economical. You need fundamental breakthroughs, which come more out of basic research.
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That's the point of civilization.
Buffalo chips. There is no point to civilization, it only exists because we have successfully boinked ourselves to high population numbers.
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Oh look, Fist found a new site for talking points that make him look like an idiot.
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Aerlinthian posted:
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That's the point of civilization.
Buffalo chips. There is no point to civilization, it only exists because we have successfully boinked ourselves to high population numbers.
You've already said enough stupid things in this thread, you might not want to exacerbate it.
BTW - I don't own a car, public transportation works just fine. But i can have one if i want to, no one is stopping me. Maybe that will help you understand need from want a little better.
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Right, that is why the collectivists constantly scream and yell for massive public funding of public transportation instead of going to a user pays system. BTW, I like public transportation, just not run by government and unions. But I don't like it enough to be forced into using it which is why I bought a motorcycle and started riding it last month.
I live in NYC, you would think that in NYC the trains would actually run on time and have a high up time rate. Think again and go read up on the L line or the 7 line. I used the MTA Trip planner everyday to stay on top of service changes and scheduling issues. It just became too much aggravation and wasted time, hence why I got a bike and started riding during the WINTER.
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public transportation every day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCYquw41xRk&feature
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ygUklvZYJQ&feature
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Kjarhall posted:
Aerlinthian posted:
Allstarslacker posted:
That's the point of civilization.
Buffalo chips. There is no point to civilization, it only exists because we have successfully boinked ourselves to high population numbers.
You've already said enough stupid things in this thread, you might not want to exacerbate it.
BTW - I don't own a car, public transportation works just fine. But i can have one if i want to, no one is stopping me. Maybe that will help you understand need from want a little better.
I'm thinking we're getting trolled. Seriously, who makes it to semi-adulthood without understanding the difference between need and want?
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hence why I got a bike and started riding during the WINTER.
Please continue to do society a favor and keep riding your motorbike. Preferably off a cliff.
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To put this into perspective I walk the walk. We have one car. When I retired I gave my car to brother-in-law. We make is so we only go into town when we both ave something important to do. I ride my bike everywhere else. It was 86 degrees (F) today and we did not turn on the air. Open windows was just fine.
Our family uses the bus whenever we can. My nephew is using the bus to go to work with a 3/4 mile walk their and back. I can bet that 90% of the posters here would never cut their usage without being forced to. They have so little self control that you want the government to force them to change. We can lower our usage and we should. We should because we are using a limited resource. It will have to last until we find something better.
Giving Obama's friends money to make something we know will not work will not help anyone but Obama and his friends; at our expense. You put money into R&D, which is not what Obama is doing. It is time for liberals to wakeup.
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Right, that is why the collectivists constantly scream and yell for massive public funding of public transportation instead of going to a user pays system. BTW, I like public transportation, just not run by government and unions. But I don't like it enough to be forced into using it which is why I bought a motorcycle and started riding it last month.
I live in NYC, you would think that in NYC the trains would actually run on time and have a high up time rate. Think again and go read up on the L line or the 7 line. I used the MTA Trip planner everyday to stay on top of service changes and scheduling issues. It just became too much aggravation and wasted time, hence why I got a bike and started riding during the WINTER.
Yeah i live in NYC too, and there's a reason why all the private bus lines went out of business. Hint: The MTA did it better. Triboro, Steinway, NY Bus Service, Green Lines, service was awful on all of them. I take the 7 all the time, and the service is pretty damn good considering how many thousands and thousands of people take it every day. And my LIRR route has a 95% on time rating. You're probably just a person who bitches all the time about the slightest delay because you want it to fail.
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Meanwhile, in Toronto ->
"The city is banking, in part, on the province shouldering half the cost of operating the Toronto Transit Commission - about $250 million a year - to avoid large residential property tax increases..."
http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/04/12/13559061.html
I don't live there or work there BUT my taxes are being used so Torontonians don't have to pay higher fares/taxes for cheap transportation.
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hence why I got a bike and started riding during the WINTER.
Please continue to do society a favor and keep riding your motorbike. Preferably off a cliff.
Why? So he can come to you to sue the government for not removing the cliff ?
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Meanwhile, in Toronto ->
"The city is banking, in part, on the province shouldering half the cost of operating the Toronto Transit Commission - about $250 million a year - to avoid large residential property tax increases..."
http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/04/12/13559061.html
I don't live there or work there BUT my taxes are being used so Torontonians don't have to pay higher fares/taxes for cheap transportation.
Then again, Torontian money help you get cheaper Internet in your hut 1000 miles away from civilisation.
See, it works both ways
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Head up my ass works for me.
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Why do I try. Liberals are nothing but an air bag filled with insults.
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Why do I try.
Try what? Try to troll with your brand of stupid?
No idea why you do it Fist, but please don't stop trying, don't stop believing!
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