Cawlin posted:

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Interesting Read

Synopsis:

Rule #1: Maintain the problem at all costs! The problem is the basis of power, perks, privileges, and security.
Rule #2: Use crisis and perceived crisis to increase your power and control.
Rule 2a. Force 11th-hour decisions, threaten the loss of options and opportunities, and limit the opposition's opportunity to review and critique.
Rule #3: If there are not enough crises, manufacture them, even from nature, where none exist.
Rule #4: Control the flow and release of information while feigning openness.
Rule 4a: Deny, delay, obfuscate, spin, and lie.
Rule #5: Maximize public-relations exposure by creating a cover story that appeals to the universal need to help people.
Rule #6: Create vested support groups by distributing concentrated benefits and/or entitlements to these special interests, while distributing the costs broadly to one's political opponents.
Rule #7: Demonize the truth tellers who have the temerity to say, "The emperor has no clothes."
Rule 7a: Accuse the truth teller of one's own defects, deficiencies, crimes, and misdemeanors.

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paulg_68 posted:

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Cawlin posted:

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Interesting Read

Synopsis:

Rule #1: Maintain the problem at all costs! The problem is the basis of power, perks, privileges, and security.
Rule #2: Use crisis and perceived crisis to increase your power and control.
Rule 2a. Force 11th-hour decisions, threaten the loss of options and opportunities, and limit the opposition's opportunity to review and critique.
Rule #3: If there are not enough crises, manufacture them, even from nature, where none exist.
Rule #4: Control the flow and release of information while feigning openness.
Rule 4a: Deny, delay, obfuscate, spin, and lie.
Rule #5: Maximize public-relations exposure by creating a cover story that appeals to the universal need to help people.
Rule #6: Create vested support groups by distributing concentrated benefits and/or entitlements to these special interests, while distributing the costs broadly to one's political opponents.
Rule #7: Demonize the truth tellers who have the temerity to say, "The emperor has no clothes."
Rule 7a: Accuse the truth teller of one's own defects, deficiencies, crimes, and misdemeanors.

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That's actually pretty insightful.

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IMHO posted:

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paulg_68 posted:

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Cawlin posted:

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Interesting Read

Synopsis:

Rule #1: Maintain the problem at all costs! The problem is the basis of power, perks, privileges, and security.
Rule #2: Use crisis and perceived crisis to increase your power and control.
Rule 2a. Force 11th-hour decisions, threaten the loss of options and opportunities, and limit the opposition's opportunity to review and critique.
Rule #3: If there are not enough crises, manufacture them, even from nature, where none exist.
Rule #4: Control the flow and release of information while feigning openness.
Rule 4a: Deny, delay, obfuscate, spin, and lie.
Rule #5: Maximize public-relations exposure by creating a cover story that appeals to the universal need to help people.
Rule #6: Create vested support groups by distributing concentrated benefits and/or entitlements to these special interests, while distributing the costs broadly to one's political opponents.
Rule #7: Demonize the truth tellers who have the temerity to say, "The emperor has no clothes."
Rule 7a: Accuse the truth teller of one's own defects, deficiencies, crimes, and misdemeanors.

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That's actually pretty insightful.

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it all makes sense now...

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Cawlin posted:

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The fact that you see this as a partisan issue is ACTUALLY the real problem, and proof that the application of these 7 rules has been quite effective in keeping you and so many other Americans ignorant and compliant.

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paulg_68 posted:

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IMHO thought these rules were pro Republican.

Well, they are in that the Republicans use them too. But educating people about them isn't pro Republican.

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IMHO posted:

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So pointing out a clear example is bad? If I would have pointed out an example from the Democrats would you knuckledraggers be spraying all that spittle from your lips?

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IMHO posted:

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So pointing out a clear example is bad?

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Modeeb posted:

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Here is another way of saying it: Institutions lose sight of their original purpose and become self perpetuating power centers.

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paulg_68 posted:

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So you don't think that list describes the war on drugs and the war on terror?

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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#7

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paulg_68 posted:

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So the list is invalid because it includes things that are known to be true in other contexts?

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paulg_68 posted:

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So you don't think that list describes the war on drugs and the war on terror?

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Fist_de_Yuma posted:

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paulg_68 posted:

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So you don't think that list describes the war on drugs and the war on terror?

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Sure does. It is why few involved will admit how much of a failure it is. The demand is for more of the same. You could not find someone who hates drug use more than me. I have seen it destroy lives. It killed my brother. Nevertheless it is a failure. It is such a total failure it makes you wonder if it was deliberate. Lot of money involved. Solving it would put a lot of people out of work, on both sides.

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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I work for bureaucracy, in fact I work for the bureaucracy's bureaucracy. This list is a little too close to home for me, therefore I must discredit it however I possibly can whether or not my objections are irrational or even meaningful.

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Gub'mintbots posted:

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Yeah, what Yuki said!

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IMHO posted:

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You guys are using #2 on me

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Cawlin posted:

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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I work for bureaucracy, in fact I work for the bureaucracy's bureaucracy. This list is a little too close to home for me, therefore I must discredit it however I possibly can whether or not my objections are irrational or even meaningful.

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Gub'mintbots posted:

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Yeah, what Yuki said!

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Cawlin posted:

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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I work for bureaucracy, in fact I work for the bureaucracy's bureaucracy. This list is a little too close to home for me, therefore I must discredit it however I possibly can whether or not my objections are irrational or even meaningful.

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Gub'mintbots posted:

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Yeah, what Yuki said!

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paulg_68 posted:

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Bureaucrats are rallying to protect their gravy train.

I'm shocked.

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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7A! That means Paulg must be a bureaucrat!

Your list is retarded. That doesn't mean bureaucracy is great. But it does mean your list is retarded.

It is clear whoever made that list was some ideological hack who couldn't score on an open goal from 2 meters. Seriously, how lame do you have to be to fail to make a good rant about bureaucratic ineptitude?

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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It's a stupid list. It describes nothing meaningful. None of it has anything to do with bereaucracy in particular as opposed to any other human creation.

The main way bureaucracy keeps itself alive is not any of those things but finding more and more ways to push paper. "Standardization" is the great rallying cry. Although in practice what it amounts to is really making sure each little task has its own seperate standard, so that you can't use the same paper each time.

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paulg_68 posted:

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So the list is invalid because it includes things that are known to be true in other contexts?

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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I'm taking a page out of sobaki's playbook on this one because I've got nothing better.

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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I actually already told you in two sentences what the real way bureaucracies perpeuate themselves is. Which you ignored because you wanted to continue to whine and cry.

So it's a bit funny to see you whining and crrying about how I'm allegedly whining and crying.

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paulg_68 posted:

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The list is very insightful. Knowing the mechanisms of bureaucracy allows us to guard against bureaucracy growing out of control.

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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Some of those "rules" are not only not specific to bureaucracies

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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paulg_68 posted:

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The list is very insightful. Knowing the mechanisms of bureaucracy allows us to guard against bureaucracy growing out of control.

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Not only is it not insightful but it gets things totally backwards. The list makes bureaucracy seem like some sort of conspiracy. If you think thats accurate you're doomed because that isn't how bureaucracies are at all.

What makes bureacracies so hard to fix is inertia and apathy, not some conspiracy by bureaucrats. The list is just fundamentally wrong on what bureaucracies actually are and how they function.

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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The list makes bureaucracy seem like some sort of conspiracy. If you think thats accurate you're doomed because that isn't how bureaucracies are at all.

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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When you only quote part of a sentence it generally makes you look dumber than the person you selectively quote. Or maybe you just don't understand grammar.

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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When you title your piece "the 7 rules of bureacracy" but in fact your 7 rules have nothing to do with bureaucracy particularly and are actually less accurate at describing bureacracy than describing the general state of human affairs you probably have a pretty stupid piece of writing.

That you are wedded to this particularly stupid attack on a phenomenon worthy of attack is puzzling. Why use a weak attack when you can use a potent attack?

There's hardly any shortage of indictments of bureacracy or exposes of how it actually works in practice. This one is a poor example. It really does nothing to enlighten.

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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That you are wedded to this particularly stupid attack on a phenomenon worthy of attack is puzzling. Why use a weak attack when you can use a potent attack?

There's hardly any shortage of indictments of bureacracy or exposes of how it actually works in practice. This one is a poor example. It really does nothing to enlighten.

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paulg_68 posted:

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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That you are wedded to this particularly stupid attack on a phenomenon worthy of attack is puzzling. Why use a weak attack when you can use a potent attack?

There's hardly any shortage of indictments of bureacracy or exposes of how it actually works in practice. This one is a poor example. It really does nothing to enlighten.

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Okay, post links please.

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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Title the list "the 7 rules of human life" and it's just as "true."

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