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Subject: Loot Snob vtank loot profile (req mag's enhanced looter)
ok guys, here's my overly extensive loot profile.

It's called loot snob because it sets the bar pretty high on most items.

Please look through it before use and edit to your own preferences.

Everything you may ever want to loot should be in it (save for the odd trophy).

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Mag's Enhanced looter
http://vnboards.ign.com/ac_utilities/b5432/115855799/p1/?69

Download profile here:
http://www.immortalbob.com/Loot/LootSnobV3.utl
(Right click, save as)

Please let me know if you find any errors, inconsistencies, or blatantly missing items.

Also, I appreciate your comments, let me know what you think.

 

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It's great Bob, thank you for the update!

 

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Let me know if there is anything you want added, or if there are any issues.

 

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New version uploaded:

Changelog:
  • Moved Salvage $ rule to bottom so you can still salvage stuff you want first
  • Added Society Set Epic rule
  • fixed Major Set (Body) rule to not ignore multislot armor
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  • Added LP skill check to Shattered Mana Forge Keys
  • Fixed variance numbers on light/finesse max bd8 weapons
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    Subject: Loot Snob vtank loot profile (req mag's enhanced looter)
    Bob, all your weapon rules use Buffed Max Damage. Why not use Calced Buffed Tinked Damage? You'll pick up more weapons that way that have equal or better 10-tinked potential.

    It also removes the need to add variance checks.

     

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    Subject: Loot Snob vtank loot profile (req mag's enhanced looter)
    because honestly, i don't like using that. I really don't think i'd pick up any more weapons...

    as it sits it only loots weapons at max damage with average or better dot.

    According to Endy's Tinkering Calc a sword with bd8
    34.5 - 65 = .47 var = 96.11 dot = best variance
    32.5 - 65 = .50 var = 95.81 dot
    30.55 - 65 = .53 var = 95.55 dot = average variance
    27.95 - 65 = .57 var = 95.2 dot
    24.7 - 65 = .62 var = 94.79 dot = worst variance

    33.92 - 64 = .47 var = 95.05 dot = best variance
    and it goes down from here.

    Even with the best possible variance it's still lower DOT than every variance at max damage other than the worst possible, and it's WAY easier for the layman to make use of this and edit to their personal preference than having to figure out dot numbers.

    If I were to switch to using the dot calculations, i'd still put swords at 95.55...

    It is called loot snob after all....

     

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    immortalbob posted:
    because honestly, i don't like using that. I really don't think i'd pick up any more weapons...

    as it sits it only loots weapons at max damage with average or better dot.


    You will miss out on weapons that surpass that using minor/major/epic blood thirst, but have a worse variance.

    I agree its easier to read, but unfortunately easy to read equates to leaving great stuff on corpses to decay.

     

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    Subject: Loot Snob vtank loot profile (req mag's enhanced looter)
    blood thirst cantrips change the max damage, but variance still stays the same.

    If the blood thirst cantrip equals to max base damage its exactly the same as a max damage without cantrip. If it exceeds max damage the over damage(OD) rule gets tripped regardless of variance.

    For instance
    34.5 - 65 BD8 = .47 var = 96.11 dot = best variance
    32.33 - 61 BD8 Major BT = .47 var = 96.11 dot = best variance

    32.86 - 62 BD8 Major BT = .47 var = 97.15 dot = best variance
    23.56 - 62 bd8 Major BT = .63 var = 95.84 dot = worst possible var

    Even at the worst variance, if it exceeds max bd8 it is still better than average variance max bd8 weapons.

     

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    Without spending a lot of time right now on the math (that I don't have)..

    Here is how I'm seeing it.

    Lets say, and I'm just pulling these numbers out of my head.. the max + bd8 is 62 and your variance is .5

    Well, you could find a 63 with a variance that is off by 1 granite tink. Your rule would fail because the variance is too low, but the end result of the weapon is the same.

     

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    like i said, anything that is over max bd8 max damage will trip and pick up. (any sword that hits 68 buffed damage or greater)

    anything that equals to max bd8 with average variance will trip and pick up. (any sword that hits 67 buffed damage with average or better variance regardless of cantrips)

    If i set buffed tinked damage to 95.55 (which is what i want) it would still pick up the same stuff as my rules.

    The only thing buffedtinkeddamage would do for me is reduce my rules by 1 rule per weapon type.

    I'm not trying to argue, I just don't see how it's missing things.

     

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    I'm not arguing. I did not spend the time to go over all your rules, I just glanced.

    Based on what you just said though, what about weapons that have even lower damage (66 sword) but perfect variance?

     

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    Mag-nus posted:
    Based on what you just said though, what about weapons that have even lower damage (66 sword) but perfect variance?
    they suck, and i don't want them...

    If you look at my 5:25 post, you'll see that even 1 damage less than max with perfect variance is less DOT than max damage with below average variance.

    Don't get me wrong however, I do think the buffedtinkeddamage is a more elegant solution to this, it's just harder to use for the same result.

     

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    32.33 - 61 BD8 Major BT = .47 var = 96.11 dot = best variance
    23.56 - 62 bd8 Major BT = .63 var = 95.84 dot = worst possible var

    That's a difference of 1-2 granite tinks.

    At that damage level, the difference between 96.11 and 95.84 is negligible, but I see what you're saying. It's still lower.

    Without going over your rules though, using he buffed maxdamage, there must be a combination of damage/variance that surpasses your target DoT that you or missing, OR some of your rules are set a little lower than your true target DoT.

    This is all for PvE though. For PvP people probably just go for buffed max damage and call it a day, although i'm not sure as I don't PvP.

     

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    I don't think there is a combination that is better, the moment you take 1 damage off the top end, even with perfect variance it's less than max top with below average variance.

    When you add 1 damage to the top, even with the worst possible variance, it's still better than a max top with average variance.

     

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    Do you know all the possible variance #'s swords can drop with?

     

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    http://ac.wikkii.net/wiki/Variance

    i made this page yesterday

     

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    Nice Variance page Bob. I was just going to post to remind the two of you that variance comes in four flavors for 1H weapons, not three, but then I saw the link to the Variance wiki page.

    Honestly BuffedTinkedAvgDamage (or whatever it is currently called) and BuffedMaxDamage are pretty interchangeable if you take the second step (as Bob has) of adding variance requirements as well. They're both fairly elegant solutions, and much better than my old profile which had separate rules to catch major/epic BT items.

     

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    Who wants to make a line chart for each of the possible variance #'s plotting a max damage vs DoT graph.

    Someone make one. happy

     

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    Thanks for the Variance page Bob!

     

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    Hoping to receive more feedback on this profile!

     

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    I'll look at it, but I'm probably far more forgiving than you since all my toons are running around in Major suits right now.

     

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    That's reason enough to use my loot profile. Just tweak down some of the settings.

     

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    Started to test your profile this evening. I will post my findings after I use it some. THX a ton.

     

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    Gones_Mage posted:
    Started to test your profile this evening. I will post my findings after I use it some. THX a ton.

    i hope you tweaked the reqs to your liking, as it sits it is restrictive as all hell and wont pick up much. but what it does pick up will be of high quality happy

    on a side note:

    Added:

  • Colo Rings for autolooting the colo chest


  • Major Ward/Major Impen undies
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    Bob, you are missing Magari Yari's and Corsesca's in your 2H pokers rule. The four types are Pike, Assagai, Corsesca, and Magari Yari.

     

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    Also, you have not updated those rules to reflect the new variances for 2H pokers as of this past patch.

     

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    I'll add the 2 I missed shortly. I haven't changed the variance because I haven't seen a consensus on the new variances yet....


  • fixed 2h pokers


  • I added the magari yari and corsesca, and changed variance to match cleavers. Thanks Joe!!!

     

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    I have tweaked it a bit. Im more interested in the high end stuff as it is. Thx again

     

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    Here's something I always wondered but never asked before now: what does the "OD" mean in the weapon rules?

    Over damage?
    Outside dingleberries?
    Outer dimmer?

     

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    i use it for Over Damage, i was unaware others used it too, haha

     

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    Outside dingleberries is the one for me :-) ... until I got them lanced :-)

     

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    minor update

  • Many more common trophy items have been added


  • Cloak with spell example rule added


  • I'm fairly certain loot armor/weapons/wands are pretty much 100%, unless i think of some other interesting combination it's missing.

     

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    Can you please explain how we can easily change "Max Buffed Damage" to "Maxed Tinked Damage".


    Thx. Awesome profile. =D

     

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    Read mags enhanced looter thread and start doing some math

     

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    Any way you can show me how to add Celdon and platemail armor to this loot profile please?

     

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    The more I look at this, the more I appreciate how much time went into it to really pick out only the best loot.

    It makes me wonder, though... I'm curious how often do you actually find something that meets LootSnob's parameters? I broadened it by lowering the attack/defense mods by 3 each and still it's so rare. I'm not complaining, just curious how often a true "loot snob" actually picks things up =)

     

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    -End_Oh- posted:
    Any way you can show me how to add Celdon and platemail armor to this loot profile please?

    Are you looking to just loot any piece of celdon or platemail?

    You can simply do a string match, name, Celdon|Platemail

    if you dont want olthoi celdon, add another string match with: ^((?!Olthoi).)*$

    you can see an example in my MFK rule

     

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    Billy-Mountain posted:
    The more I look at this, the more I appreciate how much time went into it to really pick out only the best loot.

    It makes me wonder, though... I'm curious how often do you actually find something that meets LootSnob's parameters? I broadened it by lowering the attack/defense mods by 3 each and still it's so rare. I'm not complaining, just curious how often a true "loot snob" actually picks things up =)

    Oh, I don't get a lot of loot, i am going for quality over quantity. in 24 hours of hunting a t7 area, i get generally 2-5 pieces of armor/weapons. The nice thing though is that since this is all created it's easily tweaked down to anyone's standards. Much easier to edit a full profile than to create one from scratch.

     

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    Simply looking for plain celdon and platemail..

    this is what I did and it hasn't worked; http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/75261653.png/

    ObjectClass=Armor
    Name matches: Celdon
    Name matches: Platemail


    The celdon/platemail parts are "String Value Match|Acts on Name|platemail"

     

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    Don't use 2 name matches unless using the regex I posted above put them in the same line separated by a |

     

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    Sorry to ask but magtool is only a .dll, where do i put it?

     

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    Subject: Loot Snob vtank loot profile (req mag's enhanced looter)
    You need the enhanced looter binaries not mag tools. Replace the vtclassis looter files with them in c:/games/virindiplugins/vtclassiclooter

     

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    Okay, for a returning player. Can you give me step by step on how to have your profile up and running please? Thank you.

     

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    From another thread on these boards:

    immortalbob posted:
    It's true that setting up the vt looter isn't exactly the easiest task, however it is leaps and bounds ahead of alinco in functionality. The good news is, I already created a very extensive profile which will require little setup to use.

    Here's a quick step by step to use my profile.

    Close AC (I know it's hard to do)

    Download the enhanced looter provided so graciously by Magnus here: (You want the binaries)
    http://magtools.codeplex.com/releases/view/78138
    unzip into c:\games\virindiplugins\vtclassiclooter and overwrite the old files

    Download my loot profile here
    http://www.immortalbob.com/Loot/LootSnobV3.utl
    (right click, save as)

    drop into c:\games\virindiplugins\vtank

    go back into the classic looter folder, open the utank settings editor
    file open, select lootsnobv3

    look through it, toggle on the rules you want on, and edit the settings to your personal preferences.

    once you have it set the way you like click file, then save
    load up AC, and you should see the profile in the drop down menu.

    Quick notes:
    Buffedmaxdamage on weapons is max damage+2 for bd8 so a 68 damage axe with bd8 would be 70 in the profile. It will also take into account blood thirst cantrips to meet the requirement listed, so a 66 damage axe with bd8 and minor bt would still equal 70 and be looted.

    buffedarmorlevel on armor takes into account impen cantrips, so if i have a min buffed armor level of 240 it will pick up anything with base 240 armor, or 220 with minor impen, or 200 with major impen, or 180 with epic impen

    let me know if you have any questions.

     

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    Subject: Loot Snob vtank loot profile (req mag's enhanced looter)
    I just noticed a minor issue on a couple of the armor rules while refining the "string name matches" on them, I would suggest updating to anyone who is using previous versions as to not continue missing a small handful of potentially good items.

    Also I just split the Epic MuleSet rules into TinkSet and CraftSet and split epics/sets accordingly within them so things like crafter's set epic weapon tinkering wont be found anymore.

     

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    Subject: Loot Snob vtank loot profile (req mag's enhanced looter)
    I have a question Bob.

    I don't have the program in front of me as I am at work, but I wanted to make some rules to pick up no-level req majors for my sub 150 characters.

    I essentially edited your single slot (I'll get to the mutli slot ones tonight) Epic rule and change all of the words "Epic" to "Major," changed the MinBuffedAL to a lower number and set a MinLevelWield<=149 (not exactly sure on the string name here). Does this seem correct? would <=0 also work? I used 149 so it does not pick up the level 150 req stuff in casino chests for example.

    It hasn't actually picked anything up yet, but that might just be because of where I am fighting (getting cash loot).

     

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    Subject: Loot Snob vtank loot profile (req mag's enhanced looter)
    you could use == 0 also or != 150 + != 180

    I could throw in some no wield major rules if you want (toggled off by default)

     

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    I wouldn't argue if you wanted to throw them in there, but it would by no means be necessary.

    I think I have a fair handle on how to get the rules set up correctly.

    Now, the next project will be figuring out color looting.

     

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    Si_Wang-mu posted:
    I wouldn't argue if you wanted to throw them in there, but it would by no means be necessary.

    I think I have a fair handle on how to get the rules set up correctly.

    Now, the next project will be figuring out color looting.

    I went ahead and threw in no wield major rules with 200AL req for armor(no coverage requirements, any slot), full cov undies, and jewelry.

    As for figuring out color looting....you're on your own. :/

     

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    Thanks again, Bob

    Just a FYI, I change the pyre jaw rule to keep 8, don't know if there is a reason anyone would want more than that.

     

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    hggm posted:
    Thanks again, Bob

    Just a FYI, I change the pyre jaw rule to keep 8, don't know if there is a reason anyone would want more than that.

    Ditto, except I already had that rule so I didn't take his. It's mildly annoying that some society quests take all your items and some just take however many they are asking for.

     

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    hggm posted:
    Thanks again, Bob

    Just a FYI, I change the pyre jaw rule to keep 8, don't know if there is a reason anyone would want more than that.

    thanks, missed that...updated.

     

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    Thanks Bob!

     

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    I am running with the profile. But i don't know if it works. Any way to test it?

     

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    kill something, have a someone place uber loot in corpse, then open it?

     

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    Select something and type "/vt testitem" to see if it would be looted according to the current profile.

     

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    joeblow8579 posted:
    Select something and type "/vt testitem" to see if it would be looted according to the current profile.
    If the item test successfully, VT will acknowledge with a description.. and more importantly, it will tell you which rule was used to select it.
    InternationalPlayboy posted:
    kill something, have a someone place uber loot in corpse, then open it?
    Last I knew, Turbine had lock us out from adding things back into corpses (in general).

     

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