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http://www.ocala.com/article/20120210/ARTICLES/120219986
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The majority of Canadian and American people are too fat to run far, so what other choice do they have?
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What the hell is wrong with people?
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I'm glad Germany has a very robust self defense law. The general rule is that you can defend yourself (and your property) against unlawful attacks with whatever means necessary/available. You do not have to give in or run away or whatever. Even though that would probably often be the smart choice.
On the other hand we do not tend to shoot each other a lot over quasi imagined slights.
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I'm glad Germany has a very robust self defense law. The general rule is that you can defend yourself (and your property) against unlawful attacks with whatever means necessary/available. You do not have to give in or run away or whatever. Even though that would probably often be the smart choice.
On the other hand we do not tend to shoot each other a lot over quasi imagined slights.
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Completely legit shooting based on the information in the article.
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I don't understand the question. The guy was getting a savage beating, he wasn't in a position to flee and he certainly had the right to save his own life. Anyway, the DA made the right choice. Open and shut.
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Chester (53) chases down Daley (60) in the street. Punches him so hard he breaks his jaw and cheekbone. Chester has Daley down on the ground and is continuing to beat him while Daley yells for help. Daley shoots Chester repeatedly.
Daley has no duty to retreat in Florida.
Daley retreated anyway.
Only when trapped and receiving great bodily harm did Daley fire his weapon.
How the hell is there any conflict here? Good shoot.
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The similarity is both men were walking away. Both men were on the ground yelling for help while getting the shit kicked out of them. Both men feared for their lives so both men took action and shot their attacker. Both men have witnesses stating as much.
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And one man is /affected.
Have you read the part where the Sheriffs edited a witnesses sworn testimony? Or seen the witnesses (actual ones that were on TV, not fictional unconfirmed ones from one or two random stories you managed to find) that say Zimmerman was not defending himself?
You should prolly read more about this story if you are going to meltdown for a week.
And may I say that as an Elder of the OP I have officially placed you in the racist noob category?
I know you think you don't care, but you really need to rethink this. This goes down in your permanent record son.
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Who's /affected bra 
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Did I start a second unrelated but not really thread?
No chuckles. That was you.
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Dont believe i started a 1st thread on the topic. I havent even posted on the subject prior to this for over 24 hours.
I love how when you are /affected the person rubbing you wrong is immediately determined to be a racist noob.
Nice to know you are easily affected! 
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Dude, do you have a reading disorder?
Now explain to me again how you aren't affected in your own thread that continues your idiocy from a previous thread.
As for your racist noob status...if the sheet with eye holes fits...
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We got it man.....all you have is the race card. I understand its hard to change your ways when you are old and ornery and somewhat decrepit. No facts to back anything up just zing!! race card!
This thread has the story to show similarities between this current case and one that happened in Florida a few months ago.
Now move along and go change your depends, you are starting to stink up the place.
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Grym,
Ask yourself this question; if the version of the story you are clinging too was true and was actually supported by evidence, wouldn't more news sources be talking about that, rather than saying the same thing that they have been for 4 days?
Yes Virginia, they would.
I do not see you as a stupid man. Therefore you must have some emotional investment that is clouding your mind. In this case I don't think that's too hard to ID. Frankly I hope you are right. It would be better if the kid actually was a menace, rather than dying senselessly at the hands of a cop wanna be who muttered racial slurs before "defending himself."
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Being nearly local we seem to get a lot more than the national news wants to say. The almost daily bombardment of news briefings from the local PD and local news channels seems to be giving a lot more in depth info than what the national side is giving.
1 witness is wanting to modify her statement and nationally its like a pack of rabid dogs have been released without considering the other witnesses statements at all. The fact that Zimmerman was walking away from the teen (which is backed up by witness statements) when he got blindsided and was asking another witness for help while being pounded on is enough to warrant deadly force imo. Everyone sees this as a skinny kid that was attacked and didnt deserve getting shot. Sure that may be true in so many ways but you and I werent there in that situation with a gun on our side wondering if our life was about to end. Id prefer if we all waited until the ALL the evidence is presented before condemning someone. Something the national media and many others arent willing to do.
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I wonder who's house he stole the Skittles out of.
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Grym,
Ask yourself this question; if the version of the story you are clinging too was true and was actually supported by evidence, wouldn't more news sources be talking about that, rather than saying the same thing that they have been for 4 days?
Yes Virginia, they would.
If they were objective and rational, I would agree with you. But since they are neither...
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The fact that Zimmerman was walking away from the teen (which is backed up by witness statements)
Link, please.
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Bjorvald posted:
vn_nnanji posted:
Grym,
Ask yourself this question; if the version of the story you are clinging too was true and was actually supported by evidence, wouldn't more news sources be talking about that, rather than saying the same thing that they have been for 4 days?
Yes Virginia, they would.
If they were objective and rational, I would agree with you. But since they are neither...
But they are not stupid. If there was enough evidence to swing this the other way it would already be swinging. That's my point. Zimmerman claims he was walking away. I have so far seen two witnesses on TV who say otherwise. They were quite emphatic that Zimmerman was the aggressor.
The reality here is that the majority of evidence is against Grym's version while he pretends it's the other way around. If they had a witness telling the story Grym's claiming then by now you could google and find it. But you won't. You'll find them saying the same thing. The idea that local news is different is ridiculous, the world is not like that anymore.
Grym's been saying this for two days yet no major news site has changed their story.
Do the math.
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His story doesn't even make sense. He followed the kid in his car for a bit, got out and followed him. Checked in with the police again, said he'd lost him, looked around till he found him again, followed him down an alley, then, turned around and walked away, and then the kid attacked him?
I'd also like more of a description of what Zimmerman was wearing and where he kept his gun. Was the gun visible? Did he have it in his hand? How far from his truck did the struggle take place? More details like that would help make the situation clearer.
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