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Not bad when you're eating at home or can pack a lunch.

After doing lots of business traveling during the past two weeks, I'm starting to hate cheese and pasta, though. Oh and fried whitefish. blegh.

 

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thanks for the update, buddy. We all really care and appreciate it.

 

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thanks for the update, buddy. We all really care and appreciate it.



Cool beans.


On a side note, it's good to see you in a better mood.

 

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Why are you doing it, again?

Must have missed the first post or whatever.

 

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I'm trying to make it a yearly thing for late feb - early april. Just for the hell of it really, but I'm calling it a discipline thing.


It's kind of just so that I can say I can.

I have a soy intolerance, so a lot of meat substitutes are out for me. I like the challenge. I'm thinking about extending the time frame from Feb 1 - July 4th.

Then I can have my first home grilled burger on the 4th and then immediately puke it up like I did last year when my first red meat food was a burrito from a mexican restaurant while traveling.. I'm relying a lot less on fish this year. I made that exception last year because I had a week long trip to New Orleans and it was my first time in a coastal area.


Edit: Okay one more edit.

I also think that people(Americans) eat way too much meat in their diets. Particularly red meat. I want to get in the habit of relying less and less on chicken, pork, and beef because the rate at which we consume it is insane and unhealthy.

 

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Are there people that are impressed with it, in your experience?

 

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Are there people that are impressed with it, in your experience?



I've never really asked. That was never one of my goals.

 

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laugh i remember the days when ninja meat made me violently sick. i'm glad those days are over. that was always the most painful experience when it happened.

 

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Oh, so it's like you can just say you can to yourself?

 

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:^O i remember the days when ninja meat made me violently sick. i'm glad those days are over. that was always the most painful experience when it happened.



It's hilarious. Even after only a couple of months, the first few bites and I started getting light headed. A few more and my stomach was like, "Oh fk you guy"....

 

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Oh, so it's like you can just say you can to yourself?



Yep.

The only place I even really bring it up at is ACF.

My friends know I do it, and they don't really say much about it. One of my vegetarian for nearly a decade friends made fun of me for it Thursday, though.

 

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Weird. Well, enjoy.

 

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purplehugmonkey posted:
Weird. Well, enjoy.



Why do you think it's weird?

Lots of religions teach the practice for similar reasons.

My original thought was based on the idea of lent, having a catholic mother. I'm openly atheist agnostic, but I do think a lot of the teachings of religion have merit philosophically. I don't know why it's that different than saying I'm giving up meat for lent because of my religious beliefs.

 

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I didn't mean it in a bad way, just kind of like *shrug*.

Usually people seem to do it because they think chickens and cows get treated worse than fish or whatever. The idea of it being an annual thing strikes me as a bit weird, but whatever floats your boat man.

 

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Calling yourself an atheist and an agnostic in the same breath is so retarded.

 

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I didn't mean it in a bad way, just kind of like *shrug*.

Usually people seem to do it because they think chickens and cows get treated worse than fish or whatever. The idea of it being an annual thing strikes me as a bit weird, but whatever floats your boat man.



I do believe that our meat industry is disgusting. Not because of the animal cruelty per se, but instead the industrialization, over marketing and over consumption of it. That's not enough to get me to give up steak, though. I really like steak. I do try to buy cruelty free meat, but in the long run, human beings are omnivores. We can not digest most complex vegetables that would serve as a substitute to meat.

I don't believe that fish are less deserving of humane treatment than other animals. That's why I designate my annual diet as pescetarianism, unlike a lot of "vegetarians" that don't consider fish meat for whatever reasons.

I've noted the two main reasons that I give exception to fish. My soy allergy being foremost reason, followed by the fact that I laugh at the slogan "meat is murder"... The final reason is that I just really like fish. *shrug*

 

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Calling yourself an atheist and an agnostic in the same breath is so retarded.




Oh?

There is a difference between knowing and believing.

Thinking that gnosticism is the same as theism is pretty stupid...


I can put in plain words so that you might understand them.

I don't believe in a god or higher being. However, I do not know whether there is or isn't one because doing so is logically impossible...

 

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Calling yourself an atheist and an agnostic in the same breath is so retarded.




Oh?

There is a difference between knowing and believing.

Thinking that gnosticism is the same as theism is pretty stupid...


I can put in plain words so that you might understand them.

I don't believe in a god or higher being. However, I do not know whether there is or isn't one because doing so is logically impossible...


I am an atheist agnostic. I dont know whats up but dont believe in the vague placeholder "higher power."

But more to the point, eating fried fish is bad for you, it kills most of the healthy parts of fish and eating it more than twice a week has been linked to strokes.

 

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But more to the point, eating fried fish is bad for you, it kills most of the healthy parts of fish and eating it more than twice a week has been linked to strokes.



Indeed. When traveling with other people, though, you really only have that or the other crap.

I used to really like fish and chips, but after eating it three times last week because it was the only thing on the menu... yah....

*shrug*

 

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I believe what the albatross believes. That you are here in the moment. You live, procreate, and die. Whatevers next is next not now.

 

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I believe what the albatross believes. That you are here in the moment. You live, procreate, and die. Whatevers next is next not now.



I like that.


It really describes my philosophy from when I was younger very well...

My HS yearbook quote:


:Why am I afraid of doing something exciting in place of the fear of dying bored and alone? Better to go out living life to its fullest than to die never having lived:

I was rejected for creating a suicidal message.

 

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I believe what the albatross believes. That you are here in the moment. You live, procreate, and die. Whatevers next is next not now.


But I have found that for every time I live each moment like my last, I am confronted by another moment where I was wishing I hadn't. Live each moment like your last and sure, you will be right once, but you may be wrong far more often.

I will take it a step further. If you were having a heart attack at, say, 55, do you think you would change the amount of red meat you had eaten in your life, if you could? I think its safe to say when confronted with something like that, anyone would be wishing the same thing. The argument, then, must be that you are just as likely to die from an accidental death or something outside your control, so whats the point of hedging and cutting out pleasure when it wont change that I will get hit by a car at 37? I understand that, but I would counter it with by pointing out that we still hedge when it comes to those things. We exercise caution crossing the street or driving, (though it would be quicker driving fast or running across the street, leaving more time for enjoyment) get aches and pains checked out, (doctors, long annoying process) and generally avoid anything that is deemed 'risky.'

I would argue that the only difference is the definitively observable causal link between the action and the consequence. You can blame a fat uncles heart attack on bad genetics, but you wouldnt blame a kid dying in a car crash on his weak bones, ("they just had to give sometime, poor kid") simply put, you can see it. I guess my whole point is, if you are reasonably cautious with things that have a direct, visable cause and effect, but very risky with things that have slow, indirect and invisible causal relationship, than it simply comes off as both disingenuous and naive. Mostly naive though.

 

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[quote=purplehugmonkey]I've noted the two main reasons that I give exception to fish. My soy allergy being foremost reason, followed by the fact that I laugh at the slogan "meat is murder"... The final reason is that I just really like fish. *shrug*


Meat *is* murder. Tasty, tasty murder.

 

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My husband is a pescetarian. It's never really been a challenge when we eat out, but maybe that's because we live close to the ocean and great lakes (depending on which home we're at).

 

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A good path to mercury poisoning if you go overboard with the wrong fish.

In a number of years it won't be possible because humans are poisoning the oceans.

 

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My husband is a pescetarian. It's never really been a challenge when we eat out, but maybe that's because we live close to the ocean and great lakes (depending on which home we're at).




Yep. That's why there were no problems doing on my trip to New Orleans / Biloxi last year.

Cleveland... on the otherhand.. ;x



And briton, that's why I rarely actually eat fish when I go on this diet. I really sincerely like vegetables.

 

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I should eat more seafood. I got some crab meat this week to make crab cakes with.

 

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K. Just made crab cakes. Going to try baking them instead of frying.

 

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getting hungry... too lazy to get food.

damn it.

 

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I am on a cooking frenzy. I needed to stock up on lunches for the week.

 

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I actually need to hit the grocery today. Told myself I'd be up in the shower by 12:00... it's 12:30 here.

 

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