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And the story slowly reveals more of what really happened ( if the witness' testimony is verified)
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ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.
The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.
Our sister station, FOX 35 in Orlando, has spoken to that witness.
What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder, they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.
The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.
It shows more now about why police believed that night that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gone to jail.
Zimmerman called 911 and told dispatchers he was following a teen. The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to.
And from that moment to the shooting, details are few.
But one man's testimony could be key for the police.
"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.
Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.
The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.
His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.
"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.
Zimmerman says the shooting was self defense. According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.
Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.
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Leave it to a statist like BT to believe everything the police say.
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All this outrage by the left-leaning statists reminds me of the Duke Lacrosse rape case
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All this outrage by the left-leaning statists reminds me of the Duke Lacrosse rape case
You are finally admitting you are a left-leaning statist?
I never would have expected such a moment of clarity from you, and such honesty...
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All this outrage by the left-leaning statists reminds me of the Duke Lacrosse rape case
You are finally admitting
Nothing? Yes .. i haven't picked a side, just reporting the news which it seems is causing you much distress if you are emotionally lashing out at the messenger and not the message
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Who wants to bet Zimmerman was following the kid around for no apparent reason, spooked the kid either calling him the N word or showing his gun, kid attacked in self defence and Zimmerman pulls a gun knowing this would happen and cover his tracks to a WILLFUL murder.....
Also this racist sheriff department covered up for Zimmerman
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Who wants to bet Zimmerman was following the kid around for no apparent reason, spooked the kid either calling him the N word or showing his gun, kid attacked in self defence and Zimmerman pulls a gun knowing this would happen and cover his track to a WILLFUL murder.....
I am betting I am right
Well thankfully, trials are based on facts, sworn testimony, and evidence, not unsupported suppositions
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Brother_Tempus posted:
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Who wants to bet Zimmerman was following the kid around for no apparent reason, spooked the kid either calling him the N word or showing his gun, kid attacked in self defence and Zimmerman pulls a gun knowing this would happen and cover his track to a WILLFUL murder.....
I am betting I am right
Well thankfully, trials are based on facts, sworn testimony, and evidence, not unsupported suppositions
You may call it supposition but I am rarely wrong in these matters...... I am willing to bet Zimmerman is a loony bin who agitated for the murder of this boy
Also this attitude of believing in the system isn't you BT, is this because in treads on something you hold dear, like gun rights ?
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Brother_Tempus posted:
Orwyn_Blackheart posted:
Who wants to bet Zimmerman was following the kid around for no apparent reason, spooked the kid either calling him the N word or showing his gun, kid attacked in self defence and Zimmerman pulls a gun knowing this would happen and cover his track to a WILLFUL murder.....
I am betting I am right
Well thankfully, trials are based on facts, sworn testimony, and evidence, not unsupported suppositions
Too bad we can't speak to the dead to get a "sworn testimony" from the kid that got killed.
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Brother_Tempus posted:
Orwyn_Blackheart posted:
Who wants to bet Zimmerman was following the kid around for no apparent reason, spooked the kid either calling him the N word or showing his gun, kid attacked in self defence and Zimmerman pulls a gun knowing this would happen and cover his track to a WILLFUL murder.....
I am betting I am right
Well thankfully, trials are based on facts, sworn testimony, and evidence, not unsupported suppositions
Also if this is a racist neighbourhood, would it be so far to imagine that the supposed witness is sympathetic to ZImmermans cause and will lie under testimony ?
Its not as if that hasn't happened before in Amerika.......
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Orwyn_Blackheart posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
Orwyn_Blackheart posted:
Who wants to bet Zimmerman was following the kid around for no apparent reason, spooked the kid either calling him the N word or showing his gun, kid attacked in self defence and Zimmerman pulls a gun knowing this would happen and cover his track to a WILLFUL murder.....
I am betting I am right
Well thankfully, trials are based on facts, sworn testimony, and evidence, not unsupported suppositions
You may call it supposition
I do and whether you are right or wrong is irrelevant .. since even if someone should call you a name .. if you strike him for it .. he is still innocent of a crime and you are guilty.
Responsibility for one's self actions .. a lot of American's need to learn it
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i hate to break it to you BT, but even if this witness is verified and Trayvon somehow managed to get the upper hand on Zimmerman in their scuffle, it was Zimmerman who confronted Trayvon and initiated the conflict.
the "stand your ground" law does not apply.
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Brother_Tempus posted:
Orwyn_Blackheart posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
[quote=Orwyn_Blackheart]Who wants to bet Zimmerman was following the kid around for no apparent reason, spooked the kid either calling him the N word or showing his gun, kid attacked in self defence and Zimmerman pulls a gun knowing this would happen and cover his track to a WILLFUL murder.....
I am betting I am right
Well thankfully, trials are based on facts, sworn testimony, and evidence, not unsupported suppositions
You may call it supposition
I do and whether you are right or wrong is irrelevant .. since even if someone should call you a name .. if you strike him for it .. he is still innocent of a crime and you are guilty.
Responsibility for one's self actions .. a lot of American's need to learn it [/quote]
Egging someone on while you have a gun and are more than happy to use it to kill with is at very least evil. And I am willing to bet that the law will find just cause to indict ZImmerman if he is clearly a racist out to kill.
Also I think you are skirting the issue here, sorry but this post of yours has made me think less of you. Zimmerman is clearly the type of guy who was trying to make something happen, and he more than likely intended to kill this boy from the outset
Where is his responsibility for being an evil man ?
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i hate to break it to you BT, but even if this witness is verified and Trayvon somehow managed to get the upper hand on Zimmerman in their scuffle, it was Zimmerman who confronted Trayvon and initiated the conflict.
We shall see .. right now Zimmerman has evidence and a witness ...
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Egging someone on while you have a gun and are more than happy to use
Another supposition, has it been proven Zimmerman was trigger happy????
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Nothing has been proven you dumbass. That's the point of trials. Kinda hard to have a trial when they don't even bother to arrest the suspect, though.
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Egging someone on while you have a gun and are more than happy to use
Another supposition, has it been proven Zimmerman was trigger happy????
He disregarded a request from lawful authorities, whats so difficult to understand here ?
Do you think this is the Wild Wild West ?
As a civilian you are SUPPOSED to just inform the police and let THEM take action
Whats so hard for you to understand about this ? Any reasonable adult should have the capacity to understand this simple fact
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Nothing has been proven you dumbass. That's the point of trials. Kinda hard to have a trial when they don't even bother to arrest the suspect, though.
Well a crime has to have been committed to warrant an arrest
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No, suspicion of a crime has to be evident to warrant an arrest. The trial then determines if that suspicion is true or not.
Have you always been this dumb or did you suffer a head injury late in life?
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Nothing has been proven you dumbass. That's the point of trials. Kinda hard to have a trial when they don't even bother to arrest the suspect, though.
proof to BT is anything that fits his worldview.
critical thinking isn't really his strong suit.
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Treyvon was acting in self-defense.
If someone unknown follows you and is not a police officer, no matter which you way you look at it, it's a threat - possibly very lethal threat.
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No, suspicion of a crime has to be evident to warrant an arrest.
If you live under an evil government, then yes that would be the case
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SirGarth posted:
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Nothing has been proven you dumbass. That's the point of trials. Kinda hard to have a trial when they don't even bother to arrest the suspect, though.
proof to BT is anything that fits his worldview.
critical thinking isn't really his strong suit.
I am providing facts and logic ... you are providing personal attacks .... if anyone isn't thinking, that would be you.
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proof to BT is anything that fits his worldview.
critical thinking isn't really his strong suit.
Yeah, I know. Usually I ignore him since he's either a really good troll or a painfully stupid human being. Every once in awhile I put all that aside to ridicule him, though.
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If you live under an evil government, then yes that would be the case
In your perfect world, the government only arrests people they "know" to be guilty. Usually those governments either do away with trials altogether or turn them into showcases where the result is already known beforehand. You really think that's the lesser of two evils here?
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In your perfect world,
there would be no government, just voluntary associations
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So would you let anyone follow and chase you or would you fight back? I'm just wondering which you'd go.
I can't see any situation in which Zimmerman is justified running after an innocent person. And based on Florida's stand your ground law, trayvon had the right to defend himself.
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So would you let anyone follow and chase you or would you fight back?
i would have been armed to begin with ... that would be a deterrent to anyone following me
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Also I think you are skirting the issue here, sorry but this post of yours has made me think less of you.
All BT ever does is skirt the issue - how can one thread possibly make you think less of him?
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So would you let anyone follow and chase you or would you fight back?
i would have been armed to begin with ... that would be a deterrent to anyone following me
So in your situation, Zimmerman would be dead. Cool. Too bad for Trayvon, he didn't have a gun so he's dead. The aggressor is obvious.
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i hate to burst your bubble again, but the witness account you reported isn't "fact" - as desperate as you might be to accept it as such without that whole critical thinking aspect.
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So would you let anyone follow and chase you or would you fight back?
i would have been armed to begin with ... that would be a deterrent to anyone following me
So in your situation, Zimmerman would be dead.
In my situation, Zimmerman would have looked elsewhere for easier prey to harass ( if that was what he was doing) .. just like killers go to schools where everyone is unarmed becuase its easy pickings there
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i hate to burst your bubble again,
You haven;t burst it yet, and the fact was in the OP ( ie there is a witness that verifies Zimmerman;s story)
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So would you let anyone follow and chase you or would you fight back?
i would have been armed to begin with ... that would be a deterrent to anyone following me
Responses like that and people like you make a good case why firearms should be removed from the hands of the public.
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So would you let anyone follow and chase you or would you fight back?
i would have been armed to begin with ... that would be a deterrent to anyone following me
Responses like that and people like you make a good case why firearms should be removed from the hands of the public.
So only criminals have them so they can shoot up schools without any fear of someone deterring them ....
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[quote=eodoll]So would you let anyone follow and chase you or would you fight back?
i would have been armed to begin with ... that would be a deterrent to anyone following me
So in your situation, Zimmerman would be dead.
In my situation, Zimmerman would have looked elsewhere for easier prey to harass ( if that was what he was doing) .. just like killers go to schools where everyone is unarmed becuase its easy pickings there[/quote]
How would Zimmerman know you have a gun? Remember, he has a gun too - as soon as you flash your gun he's going to take that as a threat and pull his out. Now, what do you do
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i hate to burst your bubble again,
You haven;t burst it yet, and the fact was in the OP ( ie there is a witness that verifies Zimmerman;s story)
it doesn't verify Zimmerman's story - the only thing it suggests is that if the witness is credible, then Martin got the upperhand in the scuffle that ensued after Zimmerman followed and confronted Martin. it certainly doesn't verify Zimmerman's claim that he attacked him when he was trying to get back into his car.
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i hate to burst your bubble again,
You haven;t burst it yet, and the fact was in the OP ( ie there is a witness that verifies Zimmerman;s story)
it doesn't verify Zimmerman's story
Let's see it didn't disprove Zimmerman;s story
It didn't support Trevor's story
So what did it do? ... oh that's right .. it corroborated Zimmerman's story and his words and the stains on his clothing
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Zimmermans story is clear - what would you do in that situation?
An unknown 200lb hispanic guy that looks a bit crazy is following you, obviously a bit racist and then starts chasing you...
What would you do? I'd beat the shit out of him if I could. If I had a gun, I'd pull it out and threaten him.
You said, you'd pull your gun. Now, Zimmerman pulls his gun..
What do you do?
That's the situation Zimmerman created. Trayvon didn't create it, he was just walking home minding his business.
edit: Add to this, you're 17 and he's 28...
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So,....Zimmerman DIDN'T chase the kid when he wasn't doing anything?
Not buying it. Everything we know says Zimmerman went out of his way to look for trouble. In the unlikely event that this kid decided to defend himself from an unknown weirdo he was still unarmed and innocent of any wrongdoing while your hero Zimmerman did everything he could to satisfy his wanna be cop chubby, right up to actually chasing him for no reason other than that he was young and black.
One witness against all the other evidence. Did the witness see Zimmerman chase the kid? Conveniently no.
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You said, you'd pull your gun. .
No I said i would be armed ... Zimmerman seeing me armed and being aware of him would go elsewhere for an easier target ( like mugger go after women and the elderly)
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So,....Zimmerman DIDN'T chase the kid when he wasn't doing anything?
Not buying it.
Thankfully you are not the police, they cannot easily ignore the facts are witnesses as you seem to be able to do
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[quote=eodoll]So would you let anyone follow and chase you or would you fight back?
i would have been armed to begin with ... that would be a deterrent to anyone following me
So in your situation, Zimmerman would be dead.
In my situation, Zimmerman would have looked elsewhere for easier prey to harass ( if that was what he was doing) .. just like killers go to schools where everyone is unarmed becuase its easy pickings there[/quote]
So you're a wanna be tough guy too.  I bet you got beat up a lot in school. 
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So,....Zimmerman DIDN'T chase the kid when he wasn't doing anything?
Not buying it.
Thankfully you are not the police, they cannot easily ignore the facts are witnesses as you seem to be able to do
His chasing the kid is on the 911 tapes moron. You seem unclear as to what a fact is.
Then again we are all pretty clear that reality is not your strong suit.
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You said, you'd pull your gun. .
No I said i would be armed ... Zimmerman seeing me armed and being aware of him would go elsewhere for an easier target ( like mugger go after women and the elderly)
Okay but lets go back to reality - picture back to when you were 17 (fully dependent on your parents) and imagine that you weighed a 140lbs (very skinny) and a 200lb grown adult man is stalking you and starts chasing you. You dont have a gun. If some jackass said they heard him yelling for help, does that mean you were the bad guy?
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So,....Zimmerman DIDN'T chase the kid when he wasn't doing anything?
Not buying it.
Thankfully you are not the police, they cannot easily ignore the facts are witnesses as you seem to be able to do
His chasing the kid is on the 911 tapes moron.
Trevor says he is being chased, but there are no witnesses to his testimony ... someone needs to find one so his story can be verified .. just as this witness verifies Zimmerman's story
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You said, you'd pull your gun. .
No I said i would be armed ... Zimmerman seeing me armed and being aware of him would go elsewhere for an easier target ( like mugger go after women and the elderly)
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No, Zimmerman admitted to chasing him. On teh tape he says 'he's running!' and the dispatcher says 'we dont need you to do anything more, leave it be' but he went after him.
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No, Zimmerman admitted to chasing him. On teh tape he says 'he's running!' and the dispatcher says 'we dont need you to do anything more, leave it be' but he went after him.
No law broken though .. crime is initiated by violence or theft not by the lack of it.
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But what did trayvon do wrong? He was defending himself. The only bad guy by Zimmermans own admission is Zimmerman.
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No, Zimmerman admitted to chasing him. On teh tape he says 'he's running!' and the dispatcher says 'we dont need you to do anything more, leave it be' but he went after him.
No law broken though .. crime is initiated by violence or theft not by the lack of it.
First you claim it's not true even though I told you it was documented fact...then when you are shown to be wrong you weasel in some other direction. You pretend that the issue was if that was against the law. Not the point, neve was. You're just another context slimeball, slipping around trying to find solid ground.
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It didn't support Trevor's story
So what did it do? ... oh that's right .. it corroborated Zimmerman's story and his words and the stains on his clothing
Trevor, obviously, can't tell his story... but of course you know that.
other than explaining the grass stains, it doesn't corroborate any other aspect of Zimmerman's story, and it certainly doesn't change why Zimmerman initiated the conflict in the first place.
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But what did trayvon do wrong?
Obviously he was beating up Zimmerman per the witness .. enough for Zimmerman to fear for his life
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Zimmerman was chasing after the kid and threatening him. The only one the "stand your ground" law should apply to was Martin.
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I strongly doubt Zimmerman will be convicted of anything, and definitely not murder.
In our system the burden is to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, not create doubt of innocence. I do not think it can be done with the evidence there is.
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So,....Zimmerman DIDN'T chase the kid when he wasn't doing anything?
Not buying it.
Thankfully you are not the police, they cannot easily ignore the facts are witnesses as you seem to be able to do
His chasing the kid is on the 911 tapes moron. You seem unclear as to what a fact is.
Then again we are all pretty clear that reality is not your strong suit.
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[quote=eodoll]But what did trayvon do wrong?/quote]
Obviously he was berating up Zimmerman per the witness .. enough for Zimmerman to fear for his life
Beginning to think you might actually be crazy.......
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and threatening him.
we don;t know that part
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[quote=eodoll]But what did trayvon do wrong?/quote]
Obviously he was beating up Zimmerman per the witness .. enough for Zimmerman to fear for his life
Beginning to think you might actually be crazy.......
Why becuase i am pointing out the statement of a witness .. oh yes .. how off-the-wall that is ... by your logic, trials must be exercises in lunacy
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First B_T says he would be armed and therefore could not be intimidated...then he states that the unarmed kid intimidated the armed man. I know the premise here is that B_T thinks he's a hard ass but lets just say that's another "fact" he's likely confused about.
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Zimmerman doesn't come across to me as a racist. From listening to people that know him and talk about his involvement in community programs like Big Brother type stuff. But he does come across as a busy body and a wannabe cop, with a license to carry, to me, that's a recipe for danger.
His actions up until the shooting though sound a lot like how the neighborhood watch program in the community where I live operates. We've had a lot of break ins recently, my home included, so a watch program was started and the people that volunteer will simply walk around, and if they see someone they don't know or recognize, they will watch them to make sure they go from point A to B or in and out of the neighborhood. Then call in anything about of the ordinary.
So, something happened, between his 911 call and the shooting that I have no idea about, up until then, it sounds pretty normal.
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Will be interesting how this all plays out
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Zimmerman is probably like that ex marine guy with all the guns in his trans-am in the highlander movie.
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Has gay sex come into this story yet? I have a suspicion that Travon may have felt that Zimmerman was a predator in that fashion.
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Zimmerman is probably like that ex marine guy with all the guns in his trans-am in the highlander movie.
this.
i don't think he's a racist, other than his assumption that a black youth HAD to be committing a crime and was something to call 911 over, but no doubt he was looking to be a hero. pretty sad that fantasy cost Travyon his life.
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Zimmerman doesn't come across to me as a racist. From listening to people that know him and talk about his involvement in community programs like Big Brother type stuff. But he does come across as a busy body and a wannabe cop, with a license to carry, to me, that's a recipe for danger.
Yes. The media focused on the kid being black and that may play a part in it but I believe that Zimmerman wasn't a racist, he was a wanna be and seeing a young black man in a hoodie gave him a wanna be cop chubby.
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Zimmerman is probably like that ex marine guy with all the guns in his trans-am in the highlander movie.
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Just saw two witnesses tell Anderson Cooper that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense. Also the Sanford Sheriff has recently admitted that it sounds like Zimmerman made a racial crack before chasing down and shooting the kid.
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and threatening him.
we don;t know that part
At the very least he was chasing after the kid. That seems threatening to me.
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Brother_Tempus posted:
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No, Zimmerman admitted to chasing him. On teh tape he says 'he's running!' and the dispatcher says 'we dont need you to do anything more, leave it be' but he went after him.
No law broken though ..
What happened to Mr Anarchy?
Now you want to worry about Laws? Don't laws come from the Government?
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lol this guy will never ge4t a fair trial. He'll never find 12 impartial jurors.
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Brother_Tempus posted:
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No, suspicion of a crime has to be evident to warrant an arrest.
If you live under an evil government, then yes that would be the case
Yeah, this is facts and logic.
What a dumbass.
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Awkward...
No, it isn't.
A one-on-one fight without weapons does not constitute a threat of grave bodily harm or death. A black eye and a fat lip maybe, but not enough to warrant responding with deadly force.
What's it take to get this simple concept through to people?
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Has gay sex come into this story yet? I have a suspicion that Travon may have felt that Zimmerman was a predator in that fashion.
maybe he recognized him! 
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Koneg posted:
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Awkward...
No, it isn't.
A one-on-one fight without weapons does not constitute a threat of grave bodily harm or death. A black eye and a fat lip maybe, but not enough to warrant responding with deadly force.
What's it take to get this simple concept through to people?
Exactly. I'm a huge proponent of self-defense, but I don't think it applies in this case.
You can't shoot someone because you are losing a fist-fight with them, especially if you were the one who initiated the fight.
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Sansfear posted:
Koneg posted:
cabbyman posted:
Awkward...
No, it isn't.
A one-on-one fight without weapons does not constitute a threat of grave bodily harm or death. A black eye and a fat lip maybe, but not enough to warrant responding with deadly force.
What's it take to get this simple concept through to people?
Exactly. I'm a huge proponent of self-defense, but I don't think it applies in this case.
You can't shoot someone because you are losing a fist-fight with them, especially if you were the one who initiated the fight.
If you think you're in grave bodily harm then yes, you can shoot the person putting you in grave bodily harm.
If someone is on top of you punching you in the face repeatedly you are in grave bodily harm.
Zimmerman could stand there all day and scream racist things at Martin. It's stupid but not illegal. If Martin jumped him from behind and started beating him then BOOM! HEAD SHOT!!!
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If Martin jumped him from behind and started beating him then BOOM! HEAD SHOT!!!
If Martin had felt threatened by Zimmerman, under the Florida law, doesn't he have the right to use up to deadly force to deal with the situation?
That's assuming that your completely unfounded speculation of Martin attacking a retreating Zimmerman is true. I could speculate that Zimmerman drew his gun and told Martin to say a prayer and Martin charged him. Both scenarios are unlikely but possible and neither can be disproved from the evidence we have.
Kid is walking home from the store with a snack. A guy in a car starts following him. The kid starts to cut through an alley. His girl friend, on the phone, tells him to run but he says he's just going to walk real fast. The guy gets out of the car and follows him. Witnesses hear a struggle and one person screaming. Some think it is Martin screaming, some think it is Zimmerman. One guy, towards the end of the fight, possibly sees Martin on top. (He sees the person on top wearing a white T-Shirt. Martin was wearing a dark gray hoodie.)
That calls for a thorough investigation and a Grand Jury. Neither would have happened without an outcry.
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Zimmerman could be innocent. He should be given a fair trial and his day in court. That law also sounds like a bad one.
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Just saw two witnesses tell Anderson Cooper that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense. Also the Sanford Sheriff has recently admitted that it sounds like Zimmerman made a racial crack before chasing down and shooting the kid.
What did I say about me being right about these things ?
I await a response............
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I am in complete agreement with you.....Zimmerman said the kid tried to get the gun away from him. If Zimmerman pulled the gun on the kid, the kid was probably scared to death, and charged him in his own Self Defense.......
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I am in complete agreement with you.....Zimmerman said the kid tried to get the gun away from him. If Zimmerman pulled the gun on the kid, the kid was probably scared to death, and charged him in his own Self Defense.......
There needs to be a witness to confirm the yarn you are spinning
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There needs to be a witness to confirm the yarn you are spinning
The sad things is that there really doesn't any more, he has been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion and now he must suffer.
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I am in complete agreement with you.....Zimmerman said the kid tried to get the gun away from him. If Zimmerman pulled the gun on the kid, the kid was probably scared to death, and charged him in his own Self Defense.......
Whom are you in agreement with mate ?
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Brother_Tempus posted:
There needs to be a witness to confirm the yarn you are spinning
The sad things is that there really doesn't any more, he has been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion and now he must suffer.
A Racist ignoring police orders, harrasing/intimidating/running down and shooting a Black child with candy in his hands for his Kid brother, who called his girlfriend in fear of the grown man chasing him while he tried to hide. Seems pretty clear Zimmerman is a criminal worthy of execution, except only to those people with an ulterior motive for getting him off the hook.....
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Bonzoboy1 posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
There needs to be a witness to confirm the yarn you are spinning
The sad things is that there really doesn't any more, he has been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion and now he must suffer.
Just like those Duke lacrosse players
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Brother_Tempus posted:
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No, Zimmerman admitted to chasing him. On teh tape he says 'he's running!' and the dispatcher says 'we dont need you to do anything more, leave it be' but he went after him.
No law broken though .. crime is initiated by violence or theft not by the lack of it.
You're seriously retarded. Unfortunately, your kids will eventually have to pay for your level of retardedness.
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