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NUMBAH ONE PRISON NATION! F'K YEAH!
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Its profitable!
Legal slavery
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Its the war on drugs.
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Its the war on drugs.
Obviously, you're winning!
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It's even more sad when you look at the racial breakdown.
If conservatives would help take a swing at the issues of poverty and restoring the middle class, perhaps the circumstances that lead to criminal behavior could be reduced. We may never know. Ending the war on drugs is another step, but what politician ever touches any of this? Prison unions and private prisons have both sides bankrolled, and no politician wants to be labeled weak on crime.
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Its profitable!
Legal slavery
How exactly does being in jail equal slavery?
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It's even more sad when you look at the racial breakdown.
If conservatives would help take a swing at the issues of poverty and restoring the middle class, perhaps the circumstances that lead to criminal behavior could be reduced. We may never know. Ending the war on drugs is another step, but what politician ever touches any of this? Prison unions and private prisons have both sides bankrolled, and no politician wants to be labeled weak on crime.
Prisons are big money.
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It could well be that the US has more to steal per household/business, so crime is higher from that also.
Additionally, China executes an average of about 6000 people yearly who would otherwise be serving long sentences.
Finally, maybe you just have a real lot of the 'stoopid' down there.
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Hey blacks need some place to live too!
You cant expect them to get education and work for their living, now can you? THATS JUST RACIST!
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It could well be that the US has more to steal per household/business, so crime is higher from that also.
Additionally, China executes an average of about 6000 people yearly who would otherwise be serving long sentences.
Finally, maybe you just have a real lot of the 'stoopid' down there.
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Don't commit crimes assholes!!
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Hey blacks need some place to live too!
You cant expect them to get education and work for their living, now can you? THATS JUST RACIST!
Why doesn't Obama free them? I think he might hate the brown man!
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Manegarm posted:
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USA USA USA USA!
NUMBAH ONE PRISON NATION! F'K YEAH!
Guess you're choosing to ignore the 1,000,000+ that died there
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Sea_of_inK posted:
It's even more sad when you look at the racial breakdown.
If conservatives would help take a swing at the issues of poverty and restoring the middle class, perhaps the circumstances that lead to criminal behavior could be reduced. We may never know. Ending the war on drugs is another step, but what politician ever touches any of this? Prison unions and private prisons have both sides bankrolled, and no politician wants to be labeled weak on crime.
Prisons are big money.
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Do the crime you do the time.... stay behind bars and away from the rest of us law abiding citizens. Of course with certain crimes I think you could always just do it the old school way and hang em high  Crime might go down if people on death row didnt have to wait 20-30 years
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Do the crime you do the time.... stay behind bars and away from the rest of us law abiding citizens. Of course with certain crimes I think you could always just do it the old school way and hang em high Crime might go down if people on death row didnt have to wait 20-30 years
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Mastara posted:
Do the crime you do the time.... stay behind bars and away from the rest of us law abiding citizens. Of course with certain crimes I think you could always just do it the old school way and hang em high Crime might go down if people on death row didnt have to wait 20-30 years
Christian compassion @work
Yep. That sums up Christian Republican views. It is also why No One will listen to them when they open their mouth about the Bible or Christ.
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Its profitable!
Legal slavery
That's how the UK government started the Industrial Revolution ... turned over those individuals they arrested for not paying their taxes to industries to work off what they owed the government
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Being Christian does not mean a person is above the law of man. Nor does it spare us from the penalties of breaking said laws. As a Christian we are to submit to authority so long as mans law does not cause us to break God's law.
We are to submit to authority. So as I stated, if you do the crime you do the time. Dont break the law and you dont have to worry about going to jail or facing the death penalty. Believe it or not, its not that hard to live life obeying the laws to avoid going to prison or being put to death.
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Maybe if the govt would stop trying to tax people so much so they could turn around and give it to lazy people they'd go get jobs and have less time to worry about breaking the law.
If you've never been inside a jail or prison let me clue you in. A lot of the people in there LIKE it. Free tv, eats, pills, etc. Hell, why should they want to work? I've seen this first-hand. Some of the guys make reaaly good (tax free) incomes from stealing or selling dope. All jail is for them is a networking conference without golf.
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And I dont have a problem with them being in there either. Keeps people like that off the streets and away from our children. Let em rot in there if thats where they want to be. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.
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And I dont have a problem with them being in there either. Keeps people like that off the streets and away from our children. Let em rot in there if thats where they want to be. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Javert: Who is this man? What sort of devil is he, to have me caught in a trap and choose to let me go free? It was his hour at last to put the seal on my fate, wipe out the past and wash me clean off the slate! All it would take was a flick of his knife. Vengeance was his and he gave me back my life! Damned if I'll live in the debt of a thief! Damned if I'll yield at the end of the chase! I am the Law and the Law is not mocked. I'll spit his pity right back in his face! There is nothing on Earth that we share! It is either Valjean or Javert!
How can I now allow this man to hold dominion over me? This desperate man whom I have hunted... He gave me my life. He gave me freedom. I should have perished by his hand. It was his right. It was my right to die as well. Instead I live... but live in Hell! And my thoughts fly apart. Can this man be believed? Shall his sins be forgiven? Shall his crimes be reprieved? And must I now begin to doubt, who never doubted all these years? My heart is stone, and still it trembles! The world I have known is lost in shadow. Is he from heaven or from hell? And does he know... that, granting me my life today, this man has killed me, even so? I am reaching... but I fall. And the stars are black and cold, as I stare into the void of a world that cannot hold. I'll escape now from that world, from the world of Jean Valjean. There is nowhere I can turn, there is no way to go on!
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And I dont have a problem with them being in there either. Keeps people like that off the streets and away from our children. Let em rot in there if thats where they want to be. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.
You should be in jail too based on what you've said here.
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haha whatever
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Mastboro is a christian fundie. No different than a muslim fundie. Cut from the same cloth. Fundies are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.
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Whatever you say
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Whatever you say
Javert: Now bring me prisoner 24601! Your time is up and your parole's begun. You know what that means?
Jean Valjean: Yes, it means I'm free.
Javert: No! It means you get your yellow ticket of leave. You are a thief!
Jean Valjean: I stole a loaf of bread.
Javert: You robbed a house!
Jean Valjean: I broke a windowpane. My sister's child was close to death, and we were starving!
Javert: You will starve again, unless you learn the meaning of the law!
Jean Valjean: I know the meaning of those nineteen years, a slave of the law!
Javert: Five years for what you did, the rest because you tried to run; yes, 24601!
Jean Valjean: My name is Jean Valjean!
Javert: And I'm Javert. Do not forget my name! Do not forget me, 24601!
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And I dont have a problem with them being in there either. Keeps people like that off the streets and away from our children. Let em rot in there if thats where they want to be. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.
And when he is let out?
Someone whose gone in for some minor drug crimes spent 15 years being institutionalized, stabbed and raped.. Turned from a human to a paranoid violent monster who can't function in society because all he knows is to fight for survival and to ward of sexual attacks by other inmates..
How do you think this person is going to react to society? He's been destroyed in a churning crucible of violence and hate..
Rehabilitation, prisons isn't a deterrent and neither is the death penalty which is evident by the situation in your nation.. Maybe it's time for a different approach?
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Mastboro is a christian fundie. No different than a muslim fundie. Cut from the same cloth. Fundies are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.
In no way would I call him a Christian. He is just a troll trying to degrade Christians.
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Brings me back to the first point:
Dont break the law and dont worry about doing time with people that would butt rape you. Simple as that. Take responsibility for your actions. If you dont want to go to jail and possibly get butt raped, dont do something that will put you there. Why defend a criminal on this issue. You act as if the guy didnt have a choice. He did, and he chose wrong. And the cost of that choice was jail time. Now what happened in there for obvious reasons wasn't right. But he made the choice over all.
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I'm uncomfortable with the idea of removing anyone's freedom lightly, except in extreme cases where the person either has great potential to or directly impacts another's livelihood and well-being. It seemed like our country used to be framed that way.
I'm not sure when it became so vogue to shout out ways to intervene directly with another's life, but extremists on both sides do it in their own ways. And now it seems almost casual to do so. Police state here we come! Oh wait...
And somehow the politicians seem to get away with pandering to the extremists, even though I would think they would be minority opinions at best. 
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I'm not much concerned with what you think I am, nor what you call me. Thats your opinion and everyone has one. But few and far between are the opinions that actually matter. And your opinion falls into the category of those that mean nothing.
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Brings me back to the first point:
Dont break the law and dont worry about doing time with people that would butt rape you. Simple as that. Take responsibility for your actions. If you dont want to go to jail and possibly get butt raped, dont do something that will put you there. Why defend a criminal on this issue. You act as if the guy didnt have a choice. He did, and he chose wrong. And the cost of that choice was jail time. Now what happened in there for obvious reasons wasn't right. But he made the choice over all.
So when you've paid for his bed and board for 15 years which he has only learned how to harden himself and become even more of an animal to be able to survive your suggestion is just to leave him high and dry until he does the only thing he's capable of which is commit crime which leads to him being locked up for another 15.. 15 years of a socialization process (you know what that means right?) where he is schooled that the only way to survive is to be more violent and savage then the attacker..
You vote republican and you're against taxes, would not a more cost effective alternative be smarter? Something where you spend a money to get first time offenders to actually become functioning members of society instead of repeat offenders.
I mean 760 inmates per 100 000 people while Germany is at 90, isn't that a indication that you instead of just locking up people under these cruel circumstances should try something different? Especially since it's proven to be extremely ineffective and costly as hell.. Not only in money but that these repeat offenders wreak havoc and sorrow upon society itself.
Or do you think that Americans are less civilized then us Europeans? More brutish and savage and can't learn to function?
You're an admitted criminal yourself, by your admittance alone we should lock you up and throw away the key, you're a danger to society.
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Whatever you say
How do you like being cut from the same cloth as a muslim fundie? Your kind is a disgrace to all of humanity.
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It could well be that the US has more to steal per household/business, so crime is higher from that also.
Additionally, China executes an average of about 6000 people yearly who would otherwise be serving long sentences.
Finally, maybe you just have a real lot of the 'stoopid' down there.
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I guess prison doesn't "work" in most cases according to the excuse-makers here.
Ok, how about a deterrent system. It could be done in tiers:
1. Being put on display with crimes listed on a sign
2. Public whipping/caning/beating
3. Amputation
4. Enslavement
5. Death
As a matter of deterrant each sentence would have to be completed in quick fashion.
options 1 and 2 within 3 days.
One month for the others with 1 shot at appeal.
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No I can agree with you to a point mane. I think the one problem I have with your post is that it would seem like your placing the blame of what happens to him on me, as if I was the one that put him there. There is an extreme lack of responsibility for ones actions here. If he committed a crime and it landed him there, it wasnt me that put him there, it was him that put himself in that position. I think it would all depend on the case. And its the judges decision not mine. But in some cases they deem it necessary for a criminal to face jail time. But not all of them do. If hes a repeat offender then once again he made the choice. It doesn't matter too much what happened to him in there once hes free. He STILL has free choice and after the first time he should know better than to break the law once again. My brother is a prime example. 16 he was buster for felony GTA, he served his time. He then was caught fighting on 4-5 other occasions so got busted for assault, then busted again for possession of crystal meth and other things. He got no more then 6 months. Hes still on the same path and I will tell you what I tell him, you dont have to do things your doing. Use your mind and be a little smarter then the criminals you surround yourself with. He blames everyone but himself for what happened to him. When in reality its him making the decisions that are now burdening him. He has to do nothing but stop and change what hes doing to avoid going back. He has the choice, its for him to decide. Not me, or his mom or anyone else. Its his fault. As much as I Hated seeing him behind bars, it wasn't me that made him do anything wrong, nor was it me that put him there with other criminals. It was him. Its about responsibility.
Do I believe that every offense merits jail time? Of course not. But there are many that, in my opinion should be. I'm not the judge that says he should face jail time or some other form of punishment, but if you want my opinion there are some that deserve jail time. I'm glad I'm not in the position to choose, I'm not the judge and I dont make sentences. I think that its a mind set. What a person goes through does not define them. What he does, despite what hes been through is what defines him. Its choice. Choose right and you wont be punished, do wrong and live in fear of punishment for it and youll more than likely do more wrong to avoid being caught for what your trying to hide.
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It could well be that the US has more to steal per household/business, so crime is higher from that also.
Additionally, China executes an average of about 6000 people yearly who would otherwise be serving long sentences.
Finally, maybe you just have a real lot of the 'stoopid' down there.
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Actually no, your stupidity was pretty astounding.. Now if you had said "the US has more poverty stricken households" I mean people generally don't wake up and say "hey I'm going to turn to a life of crime" It's usually something that is more or less forced upon them by the economic situation they grow up in, lack of education, social problems and the community they grow up in... Sure people have a choice but society should be primed to avoid criminality on a large scale since it's extremely destructive.
And it's always brought on by the same factors.. Poverty, lack of education and social problems.
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No I can agree with you to a point mane. I think the one problem I have with your post is that it would seem like your placing the blame of what happens to him on me, as if I was the one that put him there. There is an extreme lack of responsibility for ones actions here. If he committed a crime and it landed him there, it wasnt me that put him there, it was him that put himself in that position. I think it would all depend on the case. And its the judges decision not mine. But in some cases they deem it necessary for a criminal to face jail time. But not all of them do. If hes a repeat offender then once again he made the choice. It doesn't matter too much what happened to him in there once hes free. He STILL has free choice and after the first time he should know better than to break the law once again. My brother is a prime example. 16 he was buster for felony GTA, he served his time. He then was caught fighting on 4-5 other occasions so got busted for assault, then busted again for possession of crystal meth and other things. He got no more then 6 months. Hes still on the same path and I will tell you what I tell him, you dont have to do things your doing. Use your mind and be a little smarter then the criminals you surround yourself with. He blames everyone but himself for what happened to him. When in reality its him making the decisions that are now burdening him. He has to do nothing but stop and change what hes doing to avoid going back. He has the choice, its for him to decide. Not me, or his mom or anyone else. Its his fault. As much as I Hated seeing him behind bars, it wasn't me that made him do anything wrong, nor was it me that put him there with other criminals. It was him. Its about responsibility.
Do I believe that every offense merits jail time? Of course not. But there are many that, in my opinion should be. I'm not the judge that says he should face jail time or some other form of punishment, but if you want my opinion there are some that deserve jail time. I'm glad I'm not in the position to choose, I'm not the judge and I dont make sentences. I think that its a mind set. What a person goes through does not define them. What he does, despite what hes been through is what defines him. Its choice. Choose right and you wont be punished, do wrong and live in fear of punishment for it and youll more than likely do more wrong to avoid being caught for what your trying to hide.
f'kin paragraphs do you speak it?
Society, community and family forms the individual.. A person who grows up in a lawful society with loving parents who are employed and who gets a proper education will generally turn out fine.
Ofc the choice is the individuals but humans don't work like that humans are formed by their existence if they grow up in a brutish violent community with lawlessness, bad parents and no education.. Do you think that they will magically turn out fine? No they won't.
I'm still not talking about broader social spectra that forms society, I'm talking about reality and the US penal system which is not churning out functioning humans but half psychotic monsters.. That will only return to prison or die on the streets, it's just a f'kin stupid business plan and ruinous to the communities and actual law abiding citizens that has to suffer these savages which are created by your society.
Lock people up for 15 years for minor things by all means under horrible conditions but don't be so foolish as to just wipe your hands and say "well that's his fault, he did stupid things and deserved to get raped and stabbed for 15 years society is not at fault for not trying to better him or rehabilitate him"
It's just not viable to have what almost 8 times as many people in prison as Germany? Where the end product does not after debt to society is paid become a functioning citizen but instead just arrives as a more savage and distilled entity which will in all probability create even more harm then the last time he got sent in.
It's just not smart, it's borderline retarded.. It's not solving your issues with crime quite the opposite.
"This wide gap between the U.S. and the rest of the world is relatively recent. In 1980 the U.S.’s prison population was about 150 per 100,000 adults. It has more than quadrupled since then. So something has happened in the past 30 years to push millions of Americans into prison."
This is insanity.. total ruinous insanity, as a Swede I can't even comprehend this kind of attitude towards humans, you're not fixing the problem you're making it worse.
And you and everyone else in your democracy is responsible when you applaud pandering politicians that are "hard on crime" which just results in more crime, the death penalty is obviously NOT deterrent..
Europe has WAY less homicides then you, and we do not execute people here... We're also around 800 million people and you're around 300.
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In California we spend 48,214 dollars per year on each inmate. Yet spending 7,463 dollars a year per student for college education is too much.
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Yeah like I said for some crimes they should go to prison and some they shouldn't. I dont blame only the poverty, even the part that I do blame is little. I've seen plenty people who have more than me, go to crime so they could get more. I think that is part of the problem. But yes mane I agree with what your saying. Not everyone should go to jail, and not everyone should be executed. But we do need crime deterrents. Now what exactly should we use? Im not sure. I dont want to make the call and I'm glad I dont have to.
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Yes, our hearts go out to the poor dope dealers and thieves. Maybe if we just sat them down and talked to them they'd see that being nice is nicer. Perhaps some video training on sharing. I wonder if Barney has something we could use.
Should we consider a time-out after the next drive-by? Maybe we could raise taxes and send a check to eveyone in jail so they won't need to steal anymore. I don't know what to do for those poor rapists, either. I mean we could give them hug therapy or something. Oh, and a check, because they were probably forced to rape from being disadvantaged and all.
The Boy Scouts, etc could be sent to give hugs to pedophiles after selling cookies to make sure they're doing ok, too.
People know it's wrong to sell drugs, rape and steal. You can get bread and lunchmeat cheap. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who make excuses for criminals. Trust me, I'm about as poor as it gets and I don't see the need to go to jail.
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I think my only problem with this is that more of them aren't Europeans. I think we should grab vacationing Euros, force them to empty their bank accounts and then throw them into prisons as playmates for the most violent offenders.
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Friar has an out dated point of view. Sure its wrong to commit a crime no one is saying otherwise. Were saying the system is not working.
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Haha Stalin didn't jail anyone
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Yes, our hearts go out to the poor dope dealers and thieves. Maybe if we just sat them down and talked to them they'd see that being nice is nicer. Perhaps some video training on sharing. I wonder if Barney has something we could use.
Should we consider a time-out after the next drive-by? Maybe we could raise taxes and send a check to eveyone in jail so they won't need to steal anymore. I don't know what to do for those poor rapists, either. I mean we could give them hug therapy or something. Oh, and a check, because they were probably forced to rape from being disadvantaged and all.
The Boy Scouts, etc could be sent to give hugs to pedophiles after selling cookies to make sure they're doing ok, too.
People know it's wrong to sell drugs, rape and steal. You can get bread and lunchmeat cheap. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who make excuses for criminals. Trust me, I'm about as poor as it gets and I don't see the need to go to jail.
You're clearly too stupid to get that your current method ISN'T working..
Then again Americans are uncivilized cavemen who can't really be housebroken.. And it's not my tax money why should I care what happens to a bunch of barley sapient monkeys.
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[quote=Crackdoc]It could well be that the US has more to steal per household/business, so crime is higher from that also.
Additionally, China executes an average of about 6000 people yearly who would otherwise be serving long sentences.
Finally, maybe you just have a real lot of the 'stoopid' down there.
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Actually no, your stupidity was pretty astounding.. Now if you had said "the US has more poverty stricken households" I mean people generally don't wake up and say "hey I'm going to turn to a life of crime" It's usually something that is more or less forced upon them by the economic situation they grow up in, lack of education, social problems and the community they grow up in... Sure people have a choice but society should be primed to avoid criminality on a large scale since it's extremely destructive.
And it's always brought on by the same factors.. Poverty, lack of education and social problems.[/quote]
Your grasp of 'poverty' in the USA or Canada isn't even close to reality.
Here in 1st world countires, as in any 3rd world country, there are groups that suffer 'poverty', ie, they need assistance to actually survive (which 3rd world countries DO NOT provide). This bunch is generally those too stupid to learn anything (and generally these people are products of sexual congress between like minded people), those that think stealing beats working, and those too frigging stupid NOT to have children they cannot afford.
No one need ever starve here except the absolute dummies.
On the other hand, jails get filled with the detrius of society that won't accept or even attempt to actually participate in the
society into which they were born or immigrated.
Canada has for years now welcomed 250,000 newcomers a year - we have 35 million people and climbing.
Our prison populations are expanding. And legallizing drugs IS NOT the answer.
How many newcomers have your country successfully integrated these past few years Manegarm?
Your viewpoint isn't from where we sit, but rather from your high horse.
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Your grasp of 'poverty' in the USA or Canada isn't even close to reality.
Here in 1st world countires, as in any 3rd world country, there are groups that suffer 'poverty', ie, they need assistance to actually survive (which 3rd world countries DO NOT provide). This bunch is generally those too stupid to learn anything (and generally these people are products of sexual congress between like minded people), those that think stealing beats working, and those too frigging stupid NOT to have children they cannot afford.
No one need ever starve here except the absolute dummies.
On the other hand, jails get filled with the detrius of society that won't accept or even attempt to actually participate in the
society into which they were born or immigrated.
Canada has for years now welcomed 250,000 newcomers a year - we have 35 million people and climbing.
Our prison populations are expanding. And legallizing drugs IS NOT the answer.
How many newcomers have your country successfully integrated these past few years Manegarm?
Your viewpoint isn't from where we sit, but rather from your high horse.
Nice too see that you have no idea how humans work, humans generally wants to do good and to better themselves.. If there was actual gainful employment to be had and not minimum wage slavery which won't feed a family even if you have three jobs.. People from lower classes aren't dumber then you, most of them are probably smarter but unless you actually have the means to make their intellectual capacity flourish it will go to naught.
By your logic Sweden should not be the success it is today, 100 years ago we were the most impoverished nation in Europe.. Today we're very well off, why? Education the government saw that the only way we could rise was to see to it that the poorest had the chance to get a proper education and the chance to go to college.
We do not define poverty as starvation, it's pretty horrible that you people don't think it's a problem unless people are on the brink of starvation.. We define poverty as groups who are way below the middle class when it comes to material wealth.
Strange how we in Sweden actually manage to rehabilitate criminals... And then there are those who are pathological.
The last years?
2009- 109 000
2010- 98 000
And about 150 000 others who applied for work visas and what you seem to call Habitual residence
And we have a population of about 9 and a half million people.. Your point was?
And the rest of Western Europe is nothing alike the US when it comes to criminality..
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America is built on some 18th century version of philosophy and understanding of the world in general and human beings specifically, and they stick to it come hell or high water. The less it works out the more feverish they latch onto those principles.
It's truly quiet a site to behold internally...
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The US won't have a crime problem in like 5 years because everyone is migrating to Sweeden even as we speak!
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Well i guess we could just outright kill a few million if you want to really make fair comparisons to Stalin.
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It is disingenuous to compare a country with only a ~10 million total population to one of over 300 million in population. With an increase in population more facets are added to the dynamics of the population on both a micro and macro scale.
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It is disingenuous to compare a country with only a ~10 million total population to one of over 300 million in population. With an increase in population more facets are added to the dynamics of the population on both a micro and macro scale.
Germany actually has much more than 10 million people
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It is disingenuous to compare a country with only a ~10 million total population to one of over 300 million in population. With an increase in population more facets are added to the dynamics of the population on both a micro and macro scale.
Compare it to the EU then which is about 500 million people and we STILL don't even come near you guys when it comes to incarcerated people.
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The EU is not a country
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__Bonk__ posted:
The EU is not a country
Matters little what you say, it's a government entity with judicial power over a large area and ruled by a body of men who are elected on the basis of Parliamentary democracy.. It has it's own courts, constitution and a head of state.
It's by definition a country... We're just not pussy whipped by the feds like you people.
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They like to use the EU when it benefits their argument and not when it doesn't. Pay attention to their arguments and you can see it for yourself.
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The appeal to American Exceptionalism is their last line of defense. It doesn't seem like they've thought this through.
"No this doesn't work here because we are less densely populated!" (Trains)
"No this doesn't work here because we're more densely populated!" (Crime)
"No this doesn't work here because we're less racist!" (Social policies)
"No this doesn't work here because we're more racist!" (Also social policies)
"No this doesn't work here because we're less warlike!" (Foreign policy)
"No this doesn't work here because we're more warlike!" (General policy)
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 I've only heard the first one. I've never heard of any of the others. I think you are making them up.. again to fit your argument.
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No u!
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Tych2 posted:
I've only heard the first one. I've never heard of any of the others. I think you are making them up.. again to fit your argument.
It's actually quite spot on..
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